simey
Footballguy
I think it is weird how she does all that phony baloney talk with Jake about him practicing law while not revealing that she is a lawyer. She was sitting between two lawyers this past episode doing it.
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Survivor Season 48 - Breaking In With a Crowbar (3 Viewers)
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Footballguy
Hiding your occupation is not weird or unusual on this show, especially for lawyers. They are often targeted because they are perceived as having money, being slick/smarmy/untrustworthy and/or being able to argue their case well at FTC.
The only winner I can think of who was a lawyer and told that to his tribemates was Nick Wilson, and he was a public defender, which generates a very different perception. Hence why Jake's lie is that he is a public defender (instead of an ADA), whereas Katurah and Julie are hiding that they are lawyers at all.
(Cochran was a law student but never practiced, and he was a returnee when he won, and the practices about hiding your occupation don't apply there because everyone already knows who you are before the game starts.)
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Footballguy
Katurah's story was crazy. I presume it didn't appear until now because she didn't talk about it until now.
I wonder if her hatred of Bruce was so intense because he and/or his behavior reminded her of the cult leader(s) she dealt with as a child/adolescent.
I wonder if her hatred of Bruce was so intense because he and/or his behavior reminded her of the cult leader(s) she dealt with as a child/adolescent.
simey
Footballguy
I know why past people have hidden their occupations, but I think it is weird that she continually makes it a point to probe Jake about his occupation, which is the same one that she is hiding. It bugs me.
Raging weasel
Footballguy
I almost posted this exact thought as a reply to your post at the end of the last page.
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Angry Bovine
Yeah I mentioned it in my recap as well. We are speculating of course but it would certainly make a lot of sense.
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Footballguy
Refining this after thinking about scenes from this week that could be foreshadowing.
F6 vote will be Julie vs. Drew. Dee and Julie will go after Drew. Others will want Julie gone because she is now most definitely the biggest jury threat. We don't know what Austin will do other than play his idol because it expires here.
F5 vote will be whoever of Drew and Julie don't go home at F6. Dee will be able to get Katurah to vote with her and Austin. Jake will continue to have no agency.
Jeff LOVES F4 firemaking and continues to defend it despite much of the internet fanbase hating it. There's no way he allows Katurah's comments about hating forced firemaking at F4 to be aired unless it comes into play later (and he does have control over this because he is showrunner in addition to host.) This probably means that Katurah loses F4 firemaking. It would not surprise me if Austin wins F4 immunity and takes Dee to the F3 with him, forcing Katurah and Jake to go to fire, which Jake wins.
Jake said something this episode about hoping he gets zero votes for the rest of the game. Maybe that's right and it extends to FTC. He is our zero-vote finalist.
The jury clowns on Austin for his idiotic decisions at F7 and for bringing Dee to FTC when she's the biggest threat left in the final 4. He gets one vote from Bruce who respects his acumen in challenges.
Dee is acknowledged as the person who had the most agency in the game and wins with 7 votes.
Every single FTC vote in the new era has been 7-1-0, so I'm assuming the pattern continues until it doesn't.
Jmiller21kg
Footballguy
I don’t think that was a bad move by Julie. If she votes out Austin, she burns her bridge with Dee, who is really her only shot at staying in the game now since her and Drew are at odds. She also took out a strong player and threat to win in Emily.Agreed. Lots of stupidity and a strong case Julie too was an idiot not voting Austin. Oh well, more exciting than the 4 steamrolling.Austin is an idiot for telling Dee. Dee's an idiot for telling Julie, who she has no chance of beating in the final 3.
Just all out dumb play tonight.
Nick Vermeil
Footballguy
I just completed a week long binge of the season. I was worried it would suck early on but it’s been pretty good. Loved Emily’s arc after my initial revulsion.
bryhamm
Footballguy
Don't forget that Drew has that advantage where he can leave TC. Sure he doesn't get a vote, but he is safe. If he knows that Austin is playing his idol (which he as to), then he might as well leave and be sage.
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Footballguy
It expired at F10.
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Angry Bovine
It was only a matter of time for Napolean Dynomite, he toned down the arrogance in the mid part of the game, but it kept rearing its ugly head. This episode it was on full display and it bit him. In the last recap I thought the best chances of winning were Austin, Dee, and Mama J. I'll stick with that order. With the way Dee was trash talking Austin (even just in fun) on the challenge, I can see it coming down to a head to head with them again, this time with Austin emerging.
- Austin looked genuinely hurt that Dee didn't extend the same courtesy he gave her. I think this will refocus him on the game.
- Smart play by Dee, but she didn't get to cover her move as smoothly as she did with the Mama J vote. You have to wonder how this will impact the showmance. They seemed to be vibing well so we'll see if Austin can separate his personal feelings from her proper gameplay move.
- Mama J is resilient but has a soft spot for Dee. We'll see if she takes her out.
- Katturah is a much more rational player without Bruce in the picture. Too little too late though. Prime candidate to be a no vote carry to the end.
- Poor Jake believes he orchestrated that whole sequence. Give him credit for finding that idol though, he's locked into the final 4 if (and it is a really big if with Jake) he doesn't play the idol for someone else next week. I really thought his plan was to play the idol on Julie to show the jury his move.
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Footballguy
Drew annoyed me but at least he got his proper comeuppance. He was overconfident at the beginning and overconfident at the end. He made two huge mistakes in not changing the Julie plan at F7 once he knew Austin had told Dee (even saying to Austin that Dee probably told Julie), which got Emily, who was closer to him than anyone else, voted out, and in believing himself to be safe at F6 (even saying at tribal that he was focused more on getting his preferred F3 combo than surviving this round) when he had to know Julie (and should have known Dee) would be coming for him.
Here's how I see the remaining players' chances. I don't agree with Corporation re Austin.
This is Dee's game to lose. If she makes it to the end, she certainly wins if Julie is not there and maybe even wins if she is. She can take credit for saving Julie at F7 and having more control of the game than Julie ever did. She has been the glue of the Reba 4 and everyone she has wanted to go home has been booted. And these past two episodes, the edit is telling us that she definitely beats Austin if they are both at FTC. She is focused on winning the game and he is focused on winning her.
Jake appeared to be drawing dead but kept getting a good edit that made viewers want to root for him. Now we know why. He found an idol and whatever he does with it at F5 will likely determine whether he has a chance of winning. Ever since his plan failed at the Kaleb boot, he has constantly been the backup target ("TAH-get") but also the only player consistently challenging the Reba 4, so he may already be respected by the jury even though he hasn't gotten what he wants. If he uses his idol to take out Dee or Julie at F5, the jury will respect him even more. There's a chance he wins even if he makes FTC without a good move with his idol if the jury is bitter against the Reba 4 (especially if he is sitting with Austin and Katurah).
Julie definitely wins against Austin and Katurah and could win against Dee and/or Jake depending on how things go at F5, F4 and FTC. The players in the game will still perceive her as a top threat because of her idol play at F7 and her relationships with the jury members. I do find it weird that the players keep saying "no one wants to sit with mom at final tribal" when the "mom" archetype never wins -- and they are all superfans so they know this.
Austin has done the Survivor equivalent of blow a 28-3 lead in the Super Bowl. He had two idols, everybody liked him but nobody was targeting him, he was good at knowing when to share information and when to keep secrets, he was a threat to win individual immunity at any time and he was part of the alliance that was running the game. But his play at F7 and F6 was laughably bad. He gave away one of his idols to Julie, never asked for it back and resorted to trying to vote it (and her) out of the game. He blabbed the plan to his showmance partner despite knowing that she was close with the target and could spill the beans. He (and Drew) didn't make a contingency plan in case Julie played the idol they knew she had. He was not looped in by his showmance partner that Julie was playing the idol, so he could have gone home if Julie decided to target him instead of Emily. He assumed he and Drew would not be targeted at F6 and that his showmance partner would go along with their plan to boot Julie. He had no idea that Drew was getting votes and played his expiring idol on himself. His showmance partner did not return the favor of looping him in on the real plan. He has played with his heart instead of his brain. He's gotta have about zero respect from the jury at this point. He certainly loses against Dee or Julie, and I suspect the jury will be looking for reasons not to award him the win even if he is sitting with Jake and Katurah.
Katurah's edit has improved since Bruce was booted, but I still have no idea what kind of game she thinks she's playing. All she has done is tattle to the Reba 4 (usually Dee) whenever someone makes plans against them. She's made no moves of her own and has ridden an alliance that she's not a core member of. I can only conclude that she has made the same decision that Laurel Johnson did in Ghost Island, that she can't win and is playing for third-place money.
Here's how I see the remaining players' chances. I don't agree with Corporation re Austin.
This is Dee's game to lose. If she makes it to the end, she certainly wins if Julie is not there and maybe even wins if she is. She can take credit for saving Julie at F7 and having more control of the game than Julie ever did. She has been the glue of the Reba 4 and everyone she has wanted to go home has been booted. And these past two episodes, the edit is telling us that she definitely beats Austin if they are both at FTC. She is focused on winning the game and he is focused on winning her.
Jake appeared to be drawing dead but kept getting a good edit that made viewers want to root for him. Now we know why. He found an idol and whatever he does with it at F5 will likely determine whether he has a chance of winning. Ever since his plan failed at the Kaleb boot, he has constantly been the backup target ("TAH-get") but also the only player consistently challenging the Reba 4, so he may already be respected by the jury even though he hasn't gotten what he wants. If he uses his idol to take out Dee or Julie at F5, the jury will respect him even more. There's a chance he wins even if he makes FTC without a good move with his idol if the jury is bitter against the Reba 4 (especially if he is sitting with Austin and Katurah).
Julie definitely wins against Austin and Katurah and could win against Dee and/or Jake depending on how things go at F5, F4 and FTC. The players in the game will still perceive her as a top threat because of her idol play at F7 and her relationships with the jury members. I do find it weird that the players keep saying "no one wants to sit with mom at final tribal" when the "mom" archetype never wins -- and they are all superfans so they know this.
Austin has done the Survivor equivalent of blow a 28-3 lead in the Super Bowl. He had two idols, everybody liked him but nobody was targeting him, he was good at knowing when to share information and when to keep secrets, he was a threat to win individual immunity at any time and he was part of the alliance that was running the game. But his play at F7 and F6 was laughably bad. He gave away one of his idols to Julie, never asked for it back and resorted to trying to vote it (and her) out of the game. He blabbed the plan to his showmance partner despite knowing that she was close with the target and could spill the beans. He (and Drew) didn't make a contingency plan in case Julie played the idol they knew she had. He was not looped in by his showmance partner that Julie was playing the idol, so he could have gone home if Julie decided to target him instead of Emily. He assumed he and Drew would not be targeted at F6 and that his showmance partner would go along with their plan to boot Julie. He had no idea that Drew was getting votes and played his expiring idol on himself. His showmance partner did not return the favor of looping him in on the real plan. He has played with his heart instead of his brain. He's gotta have about zero respect from the jury at this point. He certainly loses against Dee or Julie, and I suspect the jury will be looking for reasons not to award him the win even if he is sitting with Jake and Katurah.
Katurah's edit has improved since Bruce was booted, but I still have no idea what kind of game she thinks she's playing. All she has done is tattle to the Reba 4 (usually Dee) whenever someone makes plans against them. She's made no moves of her own and has ridden an alliance that she's not a core member of. I can only conclude that she has made the same decision that Laurel Johnson did in Ghost Island, that she can't win and is playing for third-place money.
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Jayrok
Footballguy
He better focus on the prize because she is clearly in it to win the money and it appears like she's playing him for a fool.
Jake is a dead man walking. He and Katturah are clearly the two that one of the other 3 want to bring to the final. Mama J is there solely because of Dee.
I'm glad Jake didn't play his idol on J, but it would have sort of summed up his whole game this season of being just off the mark. She didn't need it and it would have been flushed, but, we could have been gifted with the dumbfounded look on his face had that happened. At the end of the day, Jake doesn't need the idol as I'd think that any of the others would want to take him to the final 3.
It should come down to Austin and Dee but I wouldn't expect a happy ending like Boston Rob and Amber. But keeping J around may be a mistake on Dee's part. Mama J has been teflon and she may have fans on the jury. Drew may be bitter but he has to know the other vote on Julie was from Austin.
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Footballguy
Disagree on the bolded. He doesn't need to do anything with the idol to GET to the final three. He needs to do something with it to have a chance of winning if he gets there.
This is a more emotional, less gamebotty cast than the others from the new era. The chances of the jury being bitter are higher than normal and that could benefit Jake.
Jayrok
Footballguy
Well that's what I meant. He doesn't need the idol to get to the final 3. I don't think he has a chance to win regardless of playing the idol for himself or anyone else. But just my opinion and could be wrong. I don't think the jury will be bitter, maybe Drew... and Emily had a look on her face, but I'd be surprised if more than one voted for Jake.
Nick Vermeil
Footballguy
You could just see on Austin's face that he reverted to the fat kid with an acne problem after the vote. Fool for love.
Chaz McNulty
Footballguy
I cannot understand why Drew would think he had the game wrapped up. There were 3 people in his alliance, and 3 outsiders. Even if the core stayed loyal, there was still a good chance that the votes would go 3-3. Extremely arrogant to think you are the only one making moves.
Runkle
Footballguy
He suffers severely from Main Character Syndrome. He seems completely unable to understand other people have other opinions, especially ones that differ from him being the Most Important Person in every situation.
Chaz McNulty
Footballguy
Jake should be able to get Dee out of the game all on his own next week. He just needs to tell Katurah and Julie that they need to gun for her. When they go running to Dee, everyone will vote for Jake and he pulls out the immunity idol.
He just needs to resist telling them he has it.
He just needs to resist telling them he has it.
Runkle
Footballguy
My feeling is, if he doesn't, Dee is the season's winner.
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Footballguy
I agree.
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Angry Bovine
Agree, it was kind of sad but I think he'll rebound.
BigJim®
Footballguy
Oh Austin, Austin, Austin. So humiliatingly played these last 2 weeks. Pour a bucket of water on the theory he was in on the Julie/Dee plan the prior week. He very well could have (and should have) been gone.
Drew/Austin really blew the endgame. I’m baffled Drew was so complacent that he too was not looking for the idol Jake found, even if he felt safe - which is outlandish after the Julie plan backfired. Even if he felt safe, you scramble at these numbers just simply to block anyone else from finding/playing. Worst case, you pocket the protection for an ally in need or simply garner street credit with the jury playing it for himself. Total hubris.
Drew/Austin really blew the endgame. I’m baffled Drew was so complacent that he too was not looking for the idol Jake found, even if he felt safe - which is outlandish after the Julie plan backfired. Even if he felt safe, you scramble at these numbers just simply to block anyone else from finding/playing. Worst case, you pocket the protection for an ally in need or simply garner street credit with the jury playing it for himself. Total hubris.
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Terrible play. Austin knew he wasn’t getting votes. Julie and Dee know he has an idol and they said nothing to him to chase it. He and Drew got so confident that they just brushed off Austin playing his idol for Drew. When everything seems quiet and you mention it that means the scheming is happening without you. Shocked that Austin wasn’t in on it last week. I’m assuming Dee made him feel safe enough but he’s so whipped. That’s the only way that Drew and he had blinders on for Dee. Of course she’s the one who told Julie.
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Footballguy
Remember in the Kaleb boot when Jake's plan was to force a 3-3 tie and cause Austin to flip because he thought he was too cowardly to go to rocks? Looks like he was right.
Maybe, but I don’t think Austin did anything cowardly. He just played the idol because there’s no reason to keep it, but he and Drew were dumb enough to not realize Drew was in trouble. He’s whipped and playing stupid lately but I wouldn’t say he’s done anything cowardly.
Chaz McNulty
Footballguy
Pipes
Footballguy
Dee was a deserving winner though thought she was blowing it at tribal until Emily's question near the end. It's stunning to me that Austin still didn't realize that Dee told Julie about the plan to get rid of her the 1st time around. How did he think she found out? I liked Austin for most of the season but with his late game play glad Dee won. She was playing chess while he was playing checkers. I thought Jake redeemed himself a bit. He was 100% on to give up the idol and to take on the fire challenge. Was really hoping he'd get 1 vote at the end from Caleb but oh well. Overall an entertaining season.
Chaz McNulty
Footballguy
Dee deserved it the most out of the 3. The biggest blindside of the season was when Austin found out how he got played and that Dee had been lying to him the whole time. I kind of felt sorry for him. Dee owes her win to Katurah. If she wouldn't have changed her mind at the last second, Julie would have probably taken her place at the final tribal. Jake was one of the most sympathetic people I have seen on the show. You couldn't help but root for him. Was really hoping he would get a vote.
TLEF316
Footballguy
Yeah, overall pretty good finale and season. Agree that Dee was a deserving winner. I actually thought the vote was gonna be something like 5-3 or 6-2 Dee over JAKE (with everyone realizing that she was the brains of the showmance and shut-out Austin). Jake was a goofball and his "woe is me I used to be the fat kid" act was a BIT much....but he took his swings at the end and mostly played his cards right....so I thought he deserved some votes.
Annoying mannerisms on the jury this year. Obviously the goofy bartender was ridiculous and Kellie reacting to every conversation at TC like it was the most dramatic moment in Survivor history was over the top. Looked like an early vote-out trying to snag some additional camera time.
Annoying mannerisms on the jury this year. Obviously the goofy bartender was ridiculous and Kellie reacting to every conversation at TC like it was the most dramatic moment in Survivor history was over the top. Looked like an early vote-out trying to snag some additional camera time.
Dee did well but I still think Austin should have won. She lied about telling Julie, which still amazes me that Austin (and more so Drew) believed.
I just thought Austin had more impact even when he gave Julie his idol to watch.
That said, two huge mistakes. First, Katurah for some reason voting for Julie instead of Dee. Still doesn’t make sense because she said Julie probably had one vote. Well, guess what, Dee had one vote too from Jake. Vote Dee and you know she’s got two and now you and Jake have a great move. Second, Austin didn’t really want to win that badly and it cost him. If Julie lies to me and votes off Drew, I make a deal with Jake and Katurah to be final 3 and Jake just has to beat Julie at fire. Jake and he had immunity so those two decide Dee or Julie. That simple.
Fun season either way, but Katurah has to be kicking herself. She had a huge chance to be in the final 3.
I just thought Austin had more impact even when he gave Julie his idol to watch.
That said, two huge mistakes. First, Katurah for some reason voting for Julie instead of Dee. Still doesn’t make sense because she said Julie probably had one vote. Well, guess what, Dee had one vote too from Jake. Vote Dee and you know she’s got two and now you and Jake have a great move. Second, Austin didn’t really want to win that badly and it cost him. If Julie lies to me and votes off Drew, I make a deal with Jake and Katurah to be final 3 and Jake just has to beat Julie at fire. Jake and he had immunity so those two decide Dee or Julie. That simple.
Fun season either way, but Katurah has to be kicking herself. She had a huge chance to be in the final 3.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
Austin deserved to lose. He got played. Plain and simple. The two things that sealed his fate were not getting his idol back and telling Dee about the Julie vote
Mile High
Footballguy
Yes. In a interview he said he would have picked Dee.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Dee played Austin like a fiddle.
I actually started feeling a little bad for him as he would run to Dee with all the info he could gather wanting her approval so bad. Dee was the favorite so if he played the game he would have helped oust her. If so he would have won a million.
Katurah then gave Dee the win on a platter. Katurah wanted her gone for a long time and had the chance and instead handed her a million. I really disliked Jake at first but last night I wanted him to win over the alliance couple. Jake was on the chopping block every week and had nobody to work with as Dees group would not let him.
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Angry Bovine
I thought Dee was a deserving winner. I think she sealed TC with the revelation that she did tell Mama J. I felt really bad for Jake, his season was a lot of failures and him getting down on himself. Katturah had her shot to take out Dee and I still don't understand her reasoning for not doing so.
Fun season. I hope Dee and Austin stay together, that would take some of the sting out of his loss
Fun season. I hope Dee and Austin stay together, that would take some of the sting out of his loss
Chaz McNulty
Footballguy
His move last night was quite brilliant. When he told Austin he had the idol I was thinking he was a dumbass. But he knew Austin would run to the gang. This made Katurah the obvious target. He had this set up perfectly. Saving himself with an idol and blindsiding someone is a good move. Playing the idol on someone else to blindside someone is a great move. It would have garnered him a ton of respect. And not telling Katurah made it even better. He could claim sole responsibility for one of the best moves of the game. Unfortunately, he had to rely on the other person making a logical decision at tribal council.I thought Dee was a deserving winner. I think she sealed TC with the revelation that she did tell Mama J. I felt really bad for Jake, his season was a lot of failures and him getting down on himself. Katturah had her shot to take out Dee and I still don't understand her reasoning for not doing so.
Fun season. I hope Dee and Austin stay together, that would take some of the sting out of his loss
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Angry Bovine
Their whole interaction after that vote I thought was really strange. I think she told him he had only himself to blame when she is the one who didn't follow through on her plan.Pretty good season.
I was surprised Jake didn't even get one vote. Thought Katurah would throw a "sorry I didn't vote with you to get Dee out".
Runkle
Footballguy
Dee actually told Austin, after voting out Drew, that she was worried he'd be upset that she saved her #1 (Julie) but then went behind his back to take out his #1 (Drew) and he still didn't clue in 
Double to Julie for saying at final five "it's too soon to vote out Dee, I'd rather be rid of Jake. We can get Dee out tomorrow." Uh... Julie... it's the last vote, after this the only elimination is the fire challenge. What the hell was she thinking??? Made zero sense.
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to Julie for saying at final five "it's too soon to vote out Dee, I'd rather be rid of Jake. We can get Dee out tomorrow." Uh... Julie... it's the last vote, after this the only elimination is the fire challenge. What the hell was she thinking??? Made zero sense.
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Footballguy
Dee was on Probst's podcast. She said she and Austin are still together, but they are "taking it slow" because they are in different cities. He is in Chicago getting his MBA and she is in Miami where her family and business are.I thought Dee was a deserving winner. I think she sealed TC with the revelation that she did tell Mama J. I felt really bad for Jake, his season was a lot of failures and him getting down on himself. Katturah had her shot to take out Dee and I still don't understand her reasoning for not doing so.
Fun season. I hope Dee and Austin stay together, that would take some of the sting out of his loss
She also said she deliberately waited for Austin to bring up the failed blindside of Julie, and hopefully to assert that Dee didn't tell Julie (which he did), before revealing that she did tell Julie. She didn't want to bring it up right away because she knew it was her signature move and she thought the jury might forget about it if it happened early in FTC (which is actually about 2 hours long and heavily edited down).
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Footballguy
Katurah was in the bag for Dee the whole time. That was the third-least-surprising jury vote, after Drew voting for Austin and Julie voting for Dee. The most surprising jury vote was Kendra voting for Austin. But we don't expect Kendra to make much sense. In reality, it reflected a storyline that wasn't shown. When Kendra and Emily did their exit interviews, they said that after Brando was voted out on Belo 2.0, Kendra, Emily, Austin and Drew made a final 4 pact and agreed to vote off people from all three tribes until they were the only ones left. Kendra and Emily were under the impression that that was the core alliance, not the Reba 4, and the existence of this alliance was a big reason why people didn't catch on to the tightness of the Reba 4, and why they didn't make a move against them, until it was too late. Emily should have reassessed her game after Kendra was booted, but she didn't do it thoroughly enough. But anyway, Kendra was close to Austin because of the existence of this alliance that wasn't shown, and that's the main reason why she voted for him.Pretty good season.
I was surprised Jake didn't even get one vote. Thought Katurah would throw a "sorry I didn't vote with you to get Dee out".
The existence of that alliance is also why Sifu was booted instead of Drew at the split tribal. Kellie wanted to boot Drew but Kendra and Emily were vehemently against it.
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Footballguy
Final tribal is much longer than what gets shown on the episode -- it can go on for hours. Bruce may have said a lot but they just didn't show any of it. As far as the reunion show, dunno.
In his exit interviews, he said being in Ponderosa with the other jury members was a rough time for him, as they were constantly telling him why he bothered them/made them uncomfortable out there. So it's possible he felt disengaged after that.
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