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If by "guaranteed" you mean "no chance"... I agree.He's going top 20. Guaranteed.

Okay, I'm done now.

If by "guaranteed" you mean "no chance"... I agree.He's going top 20. Guaranteed.
My comment was made prior to the combine. Had I known what his combine would look like I would have gone in a different direction. He'll be a star in SD though!anyone with a brain knew this kid was going to drop like a rock Kiper is still pimping this kid. Kiper had him in his top 5 at one point this off season. Not sure why he has such a hard on for ND players. He also said Clausen would be an All Pro as well.
No, I've been watching the NFL for a long time.New to the NFL? No arrests, no drugs. It's a lock.If by "guaranteed" you mean "no chance"... I agree.He's going top 20. Guaranteed.
in the gay community yes he willMy comment was made prior to the combine. Had I known what his combine would look like I would have gone in a different direction.He'll be a star in SD though!anyone with a brain knew this kid was going to drop like a rock Kiper is still pimping this kid. Kiper had him in his top 5 at one point this off season. Not sure why he has such a hard on for ND players. He also said Clausen would be an All Pro as well.
It still won't be as bad as having the words "swamp phunk" in your sig.Can't wait for my Te'o jersey to arrive. Mau Loa!
glad you liked it.It still won't be as bad as having the words "swamp phunk" in your sig.Can't wait for my Te'o jersey to arrive. Mau Loa!
That's what all the Leaf fans said when I lived down there...tommyGunZ said:Can't wait for my Te'o jersey to arrive. Mau Loa!
I heard you get a free Lennay Kekua jersey with every purchase. But when you open the box it's not there.tommyGunZ said:Can't wait for my Te'o jersey to arrive. Mau Loa!
I'd be stunned, actually.Local chatter has been all positive. Guys respect him in the locker room and he's been outstanding in practices. Just needs to stay healthy, but I would be surprised if he doesn't contend for ROY.
Always funny to see this guy pop up in the last couple pages of a thread.Teams do their own times at the pro days. The official time may come out lower but the team scouts will know how fast he really is.Is there any doubt that his 40 time will mysteriously drop to the 4.6 range?? (Hand-timed by a Notre Dame assistant coach, of course.)Notre Dame's pro day is March 26. He has exactly one month to save whatever draft stock he still has.Yephow are those sig bets looking now? people getting nervous?
Well, I only knew a third of that story.Untold: The Girlfriend That Didn't Exist (Netflix)
Very good documentary about this story. I didn't remember all the details from back then or how big of a story it was. Pretty bizarre at times. Manti seems like a good dude.
BTW, the search function on the new forum is great.![]()
Just watched it on Netflix. Crazy *** story. Feel bad for Teo…that ending speech from him with the therapist, it got a little dusty in my room.
Wife said she heard it was good and then 5 minutes in said wait it’s about football and said she was bored
A lot of sympathy for Manti. The one thing that you get from this whole thing was that he's a really good dude.
your spoiler is well said, and spot on.A lot of sympathy for Manti. The one thing that you get from this whole thing was that he's a really good dude.
I also liked their decision to tell both sides.
What Niya did was terrible, malicious, deceitful, et al - she had infinite number of chances to end it, no one would have been any the wiser. She took advantage of a giving person who was prone to being a people pleaser, an obedient son & loyal teammate. He has a sheltered life & what she did was just awful.
But they didn’t take the easy route of demonizing her. They made her human. I don’t know if it made her sympathetic, because everything about it was wrong. But it helped the viewer to understand better how it all progressed over several years.
ETA: we have spoiler tags!
Despite your spoiler Niya still deserves a good punch in the mouth.A lot of sympathy for Manti. The one thing that you get from this whole thing was that he's a really good dude.
I also liked their decision to tell both sides.
What Niya did was terrible, malicious, deceitful, et al - she had infinite number of chances to end it, no one would have been any the wiser. She took advantage of a giving person who was prone to being a people pleaser, an obedient son & loyal teammate. He has a sheltered life & what she did was just awful.
But they didn’t take the easy route of demonizing her. They made her human. I don’t know if it made her sympathetic, because everything about it was wrong. But it helped the viewer to understand better how it all progressed over several years.
ETA: we have spoiler tags!
also well said, and spot on.Despite your spoiler Niya still deserves a good punch in the mouth.A lot of sympathy for Manti. The one thing that you get from this whole thing was that he's a really good dude.
I also liked their decision to tell both sides.
What Niya did was terrible, malicious, deceitful, et al - she had infinite number of chances to end it, no one would have been any the wiser. She took advantage of a giving person who was prone to being a people pleaser, an obedient son & loyal teammate. He has a sheltered life & what she did was just awful.
But they didn’t take the easy route of demonizing her. They made her human. I don’t know if it made her sympathetic, because everything about it was wrong. But it helped the viewer to understand better how it all progressed over several years.
ETA: we have spoiler tags!
Yeah. I watched this with my wife and I think we're both pretty sympathetic people. However, we both expressed the challenge we were having in feeling any sort of sympathy towards her. She said something near the end of the film (something about how people will understand how hard it was for her or something) that made us both go, "wow - she remains tone deaf and still doesn't get it."Despite your spoiler Niya still deserves a good punch in the mouth.A lot of sympathy for Manti. The one thing that you get from this whole thing was that he's a really good dude.
I also liked their decision to tell both sides.
What Niya did was terrible, malicious, deceitful, et al - she had infinite number of chances to end it, no one would have been any the wiser. She took advantage of a giving person who was prone to being a people pleaser, an obedient son & loyal teammate. He has a sheltered life & what she did was just awful.
But they didn’t take the easy route of demonizing her. They made her human. I don’t know if it made her sympathetic, because everything about it was wrong. But it helped the viewer to understand better how it all progressed over several years.
ETA: we have spoiler tags!
Watch it.Interesting they made a doc on this. I'll def check it out. I remember thestorm and media frenzy all of this caused. It was hilarious and a bit sad because he seemed like a good guy and probably cost him draft position and endorsement money. In current day with all the video technology, you really have to be an idiot or just oblivious to get catfished.
Watch it.Interesting they made a doc on this. I'll def check it out. I remember thestorm and media frenzy all of this caused. It was hilarious and a bit sad because he seemed like a good guy and probably cost him draft position and endorsement money. In current day with all the video technology, you really have to be an idiot or just oblivious to get catfished.
Also, Niya's/Roneiya's ability to mask their voice to sound like a hot female at the time was so impressive that it fooled a voice analyzer. So, while I agree with the claim that he was gullible, a few things:
1. Catfishing wasn't really a thing back then as an understood possibility. I know it existed, but I don't think it was as mainstream as it became after the MTV show.
2. I could see somebody like Manti - who presumably had like no free time and whose religion discourages sex before marriage - enjoying the relative ease of a distance relationship while in college.
3. Niya/Roneiya as really, really good at catfishing.
Ah, my bad.Watch it.Interesting they made a doc on this. I'll def check it out. I remember thestorm and media frenzy all of this caused. It was hilarious and a bit sad because he seemed like a good guy and probably cost him draft position and endorsement money. In current day with all the video technology, you really have to be an idiot or just oblivious to get catfished.
Also, Niya's/Roneiya's ability to mask their voice to sound like a hot female at the time was so impressive that it fooled a voice analyzer. So, while I agree with the claim that he was gullible, a few things:
1. Catfishing wasn't really a thing back then as an understood possibility. I know it existed, but I don't think it was as mainstream as it became after the MTV show.
2. I could see somebody like Manti - who presumably had like no free time and whose religion discourages sex before marriage - enjoying the relative ease of a distance relationship while in college.
3. Niya/Roneiya as really, really good at catfishing.
Yep. I was stating in current day with FaceTime etc, not 2012.
It's really tragic how Roniah effed up Manti's life. He was/is a great, if perhaps gullible, guy. Nobody should have to be abused like that, and those memes and cartoons were the worst. I hope Manti has found peace and happiness and wish Roniah had been prosecuted and imprisoned.
tl;dr was catfished ......... his mistake which understandable is once it came out was he let the story keep going because of embarrassment on how they met online and never in person. THis was in 2009/2010 so it was new, and he lived a sheltered bubbleWhat's the cliff notes on this story? Did he get catfished or was he intentionally lying to teams/people?
Did this really cost him millions of dollars?
IIRC, some people had him as a 1st rounder, but it wasn't clear cut unanimous. And when he got to the NFL, it's not like his play blew the doors off the league. His 40 time of 4.82 probably cost him more than anything else. In the pro's, he seemed to struggle staying healthy.
With full benefit of hindsight, early 2nd feels about right, or even a tad high.
Yep. I think it easily cost him millions. He was a Heisman finalist, projected mid-rounder, etc. The documentary really did a nice job of showing how his confidence got shot, how his combine/draft process was a ****show with all the bad media publicity, and how teams - who I think did become aware that he was innocent in the whole thing - thought less of him though.Did this really cost him millions of dollars?
IIRC, some people had him as a 1st rounder, but it wasn't clear cut unanimous. And when he got to the NFL, it's not like his play blew the doors off the league. His 40 time of 4.82 probably cost him more than anything else. In the pro's, he seemed to struggle staying healthy.
With full benefit of hindsight, early 2nd feels about right, or even a tad high.
I think the idea is that his confidence was so shot by this whole thing that he could never play "fast" anymore and it had him thinking versus reacting. So the 40 time didn't help, but his top tangible of "Leadership and natural Instincts" were severely damaged. There was one quote on the show that was something like "after hearing this story, what teammate is gonna look at him as a leader anymore?". So true.
Well, the problem though was that ESPN/Notre Dame made it public. And, frankly, I don't blame them too much because it was a pretty crazy story where the leader of the most popular team was believed to have his grandma and girlfriend die on the same day so the story writes itself.It's really tragic how Roniah effed up Manti's life. He was/is a great, if perhaps gullible, guy. Nobody should have to be abused like that, and those memes and cartoons were the worst. I hope Manti has found peace and happiness and wish Roniah had been prosecuted and imprisoned.
Yeah it sucks what they did and should be in jail but I don't think any of this should've been as popular and open as it was. It simple was because he played football at Notre Dame. I remember before he was even drafted there was talk about this guy not being a day 2 pick. I feel bad for the guy but it never should'e been as public as it was.
I think it was clear-cut unanimous when his final college season ended (with some expecting him to go in the top five or top ten).Did this really cost him millions of dollars?
IIRC, some people had him as a 1st rounder, but it wasn't clear cut unanimous. And when he got to the NFL, it's not like his play blew the doors off the league. His 40 time of 4.82 probably cost him more than anything else. In the pro's, he seemed to struggle staying healthy.
With full benefit of hindsight, early 2nd feels about right, or even a tad high.
Ok. I guess I need to watch part 2.Yep. I think it easily cost him millions. He was a Heisman finalist, projected mid-rounder, etc. The documentary really did a nice job of showing how his confidence got shot, how his combine/draft process was a ****show with all the bad media publicity, and how teams - who I think did become aware that he was innocent in the whole thing - thought less of him though.Did this really cost him millions of dollars?
IIRC, some people had him as a 1st rounder, but it wasn't clear cut unanimous. And when he got to the NFL, it's not like his play blew the doors off the league. His 40 time of 4.82 probably cost him more than anything else. In the pro's, he seemed to struggle staying healthy.
With full benefit of hindsight, early 2nd feels about right, or even a tad high.
I think the idea is that his confidence was so shot by this whole thing that he could never play "fast" anymore and it had him thinking versus reacting. So the 40 time didn't help, but his top tangible of "Leadership and natural Instincts" were severely damaged. There was one quote on the show that was something like "after hearing this story, what teammate is gonna look at him as a leader anymore?". So true.
Te'o seemed like the type of player whose best attribute was his leadership. In that sense, he's got added value - despite maybe the mediocre combine numbers - for his leadership and on-field ability to be in the right places, etc. Kind of like, maybe, a Draymond Green, Nick Foles, Gary Carter, Ray Lewis, Tom Brady, Derek Jeter type players where they exceed their physical stats. That was gone though for him because he was looked at as gullible and his confidence, as mentioned, was shot.