T.O.'s crying again (1 Viewer)

[Tenderknee]

Oh yeah, and my question again:I'm not sure if you're married or have kids...but take the closest person to you in your life whether it be your wife, son, daughter, mom, dad, or whomever...if they told you they killed somebody but the cops had no clue about it...would you rat them out? If you say yes, then you're a better man than I(and 99% of the people in the world). If you say no, then you'd be guilty of the same crime as Ray Lewis.

http://www.widewordofsports.com/Articles/S...rticles-373.htmIt sure doesn't sound like he retracted his statements the VERY NEXT DAY as you put it. I don't know who to believe in this, but this story is documented on the web, and can be grounds for slander.You know, it sure didn't sound like Ray Lewis did the right thing. How can anyone botch up a murder trial when you have two witnesses (Ray and driver) who testify against the defendants, and yet they get away clean? I'll tell you how. Ray probably didn't follow through with a convincing testimony and screwed the prosecution's case with wishy-washy statements. So who is the coward? Ray is probably the biggest coward because all he had to do was state that his friends had stabbed the two other guys, simple as that, and he couldn't do it.So yes, he did get convicted of a misdemeanor, but he should have and could have been charged with a felony....and yes, he did commit a felony, but just not convicted of it.Is it a felony if you do the act, but don't get convicted of it...I think yes.What you do, is still what you do.Whether you are found guilty of it, or not prosecuted for it is completely different.jwvdcw, I see what you are trying to say, but I don't agree with you.I'm not saying TO is a good guy of the NFL.I am saying that Ray Lewis is a bad guy, with some good traits, though LOYALTY is not one of them, being a RAT.Loyalty is to the end.....not only as it is convenient.Stop saying that Ray is a LOYAL guy.From all that you say, I know you don't know Ray Lewis and have ever talked to him about all of this, so I know you have no clue whether he helped those murderers escape out of LOYALTY or out of his gangster-DNA coming through.I doubt very much that if Terrell Owens had decided to defend a friend that he would have turned RAT like Ray did.I would bet money that Terrell would hold his line longer than Ray.There is nothing from that horrible experience that makes Ray a good person to talk to the rookies.The NFL executives are just a bunch of public-image conscious rich dudes trying to save their image.

 

[ravnzfan]

Oh yeah, and my question again:I'm not sure if you're married or have kids...but take the closest person to you in your life whether it be your wife, son, daughter, mom, dad, or whomever...if they told you they killed somebody but the cops had no clue about it...would you rat them out? If you say yes, then you're a better man than I(and 99% of the people in the world). If you say no, then you'd be guilty of the same crime as Ray Lewis.

http://www.widewordofsports.com/Articles/S...rticles-373.htmIt sure doesn't sound like he retracted his statements the VERY NEXT DAY as you put it. I don't know who to believe in this, but this story is documented on the web, and can be grounds for slander.You know, it sure didn't sound like Ray Lewis did the right thing. How can anyone botch up a murder trial when you have two witnesses (Ray and driver) who testify against the defendants, and yet they get away clean? I'll tell you how. Ray probably didn't follow through with a convincing testimony and screwed the prosecution's case with wishy-washy statements. So who is the coward? Ray is probably the biggest coward because all he had to do was state that his friends had stabbed the two other guys, simple as that, and he couldn't do it.So yes, he did get convicted of a misdemeanor, but he should have and could have been charged with a felony....and yes, he did commit a felony, but just not convicted of it.Is it a felony if you do the act, but don't get convicted of it...I think yes.What you do, is still what you do.Whether you are found guilty of it, or not prosecuted for it is completely different.jwvdcw, I see what you are trying to say, but I don't agree with you.I'm not saying TO is a good guy of the NFL.I am saying that Ray Lewis is a bad guy, with some good traits, though LOYALTY is not one of them, being a RAT.Loyalty is to the end.....not only as it is convenient.Stop saying that Ray is a LOYAL guy.From all that you say, I know you don't know Ray Lewis and have ever talked to him about all of this, so I know you have no clue whether he helped those murderers escape out of LOYALTY or out of his gangster-DNA coming through.I doubt very much that if Terrell Owens had decided to defend a friend that he would have turned RAT like Ray did.I would bet money that Terrell would hold his line longer than Ray.There is nothing from that horrible experience that makes Ray a good person to talk to the rookies.The NFL executives are just a bunch of public-image conscious rich dudes trying to save their image.

clueless

 

[RedRun]

Don't want people making fun of your stupid dance?Then don't make up a stupid dance in the first place.

 

[jwvdcw]

You're making this way too personal. Why the hatred towards me?

We're making this personal, or you're making it personal by posting on this thread literally, what, 50 times??To hell with Ray Lewis, he got every bit of what he deserved, and I hope more of it follows.

I'm posting in this thread just for fun. How is that making it personal? I never called anyone a loser like he did nor did I make any personal remarks.

 

[jwvdcw]

Oh yeah, and my question again:I'm not sure if you're married or have kids...but take the closest person to you in your life whether it be your wife, son, daughter, mom, dad, or whomever...if they told you they killed somebody but the cops had no clue about it...would you rat them out? If you say yes, then you're a better man than I(and 99% of the people in the world). If you say no, then you'd be guilty of the same crime as Ray Lewis.

http://www.widewordofsports.com/Articles/S...rticles-373.htmIt sure doesn't sound like he retracted his statements the VERY NEXT DAY as you put it. I don't know who to believe in this, but this story is documented on the web, and can be grounds for slander.You know, it sure didn't sound like Ray Lewis did the right thing. How can anyone botch up a murder trial when you have two witnesses (Ray and driver) who testify against the defendants, and yet they get away clean? I'll tell you how. Ray probably didn't follow through with a convincing testimony and screwed the prosecution's case with wishy-washy statements. So who is the coward? Ray is probably the biggest coward because all he had to do was state that his friends had stabbed the two other guys, simple as that, and he couldn't do it.So yes, he did get convicted of a misdemeanor, but he should have and could have been charged with a felony....and yes, he did commit a felony, but just not convicted of it.Is it a felony if you do the act, but don't get convicted of it...I think yes.What you do, is still what you do.Whether you are found guilty of it, or not prosecuted for it is completely different.jwvdcw, I see what you are trying to say, but I don't agree with you.I'm not saying TO is a good guy of the NFL.I am saying that Ray Lewis is a bad guy, with some good traits, though LOYALTY is not one of them, being a RAT.Loyalty is to the end.....not only as it is convenient.Stop saying that Ray is a LOYAL guy.From all that you say, I know you don't know Ray Lewis and have ever talked to him about all of this, so I know you have no clue whether he helped those murderers escape out of LOYALTY or out of his gangster-DNA coming through.I doubt very much that if Terrell Owens had decided to defend a friend that he would have turned RAT like Ray did.I would bet money that Terrell would hold his line longer than Ray.There is nothing from that horrible experience that makes Ray a good person to talk to the rookies.The NFL executives are just a bunch of public-image conscious rich dudes trying to save their image.

I agree with a lot of what you say and its a good post, but I also disagree with a lot."There is nothing from that horrible experience that makes Ray a good person to talk to the rookies."I totally disagree. Someone who has made mistakes, apologized, and overcome them...is the perfect person to help others not make similar mistakes."So who is the coward? Ray is probably the biggest coward because all he had to do was state that his friends had stabbed the two other guys, simple as that, and he couldn't do it."You're calling that cowardice? I'm calling that being caught in a moral dilemna and making a tough decision, which might be wrong, but at least you're sticking by your friends. I certainly wouldn't call it cowardly- He risked himself(by lying) for his friends- Risking yourself for your friends is the definition of bravery imo."Is it a felony if you do the act, but don't get convicted of it...I think yes."Agreed...but you nor I know the truth about whether or not he committed the felony. We do know that our legal system found him innocent of all felonies."I am saying that Ray Lewis is a bad guy, with some good traits, though LOYALTY is not one of them, being a RAT.Loyalty is to the end.....not only as it is convenient."I don't understand. First you're accusing him of committing the crime(lying to cops). Now you're upset that he didn't continue with his lie?

 

[Koya]

ROFL ... whats the problem?

After game Ray calls TO a coward. Now that TO says something back he is digging his own grave? You have to be fscking kidding me!!

Case in point: Has TO made up any lies in the things he has said?

TO asked a simple question and I think the responses here are perfect examples of sensationalistic media and homer blinders.

Go Eagles

JAA

JAA.... sounds like Eagles blinders too. How about all the allegations re: Garcia being gay - when to be honest, TO is more likely than Garcia the way he acts, but that is beside the point.

 

[Chaos]

If anyone's a coward in this its Lewis! He had his chance to do something about it on the field but doesn't.

The Ravens offense and special teams gave the Eagles amazing field position all day long(I think their first 3 drives started on the Ravens side of the field!). Yet they only scored 15 points.Yes the Eagles won the game, but lets not act like the Eagle's offense got the better of the Raven's defense. The Eagles were the better TEAM. However, I think Ray Lewis did 'do something'- Him and his defense outplayed the Eagle's offense.

Even if thats true, which I don't concede, since when has that meant anything?Its all scoreboard baby, and TO certainly got his.

 

[Chaos]

1.Doing that(lying to protect close friends) is not nearly the equivalent of murder. Moreover, its not that terrible of a thing to do, and some could argue that loyalty is more important than justice.

"some might argue it"those people would be called criminals my friends

 

[Chaos]

Can you name one current or former teamate, coach, friend, family member, or anyone thats actually close to him that has anything bad to say about Ray Lewis?

Nope because nobody wants to end up dead

 

[JAA]

ROFL ... whats the problem?

After game Ray calls TO a coward. Now that TO says something back he is digging his own grave? You have to be fscking kidding me!!

Case in point: Has TO made up any lies in the things he has said?

TO asked a simple question and I think the responses here are perfect examples of sensationalistic media and homer blinders.

Go Eagles

JAA

JAA.... sounds like Eagles blinders too. How about all the allegations re: Garcia being gay - when to be honest, TO is more likely than Garcia the way he acts, but that is beside the point.

The media asked him about his biography. Would you like him to lie? What exactly would you like him to do?

 

[mad sweeney]

When your "loyalty" to thugs outwieghs your "loyalty" to law and order, then that makes you a thug. If your first instinct is to LIE to protect your MURDEROUS friends (i.e. thugs), then you yourself are to be considered a thug. Ray Ray may very well have had nothing to do with the double murder personally, but when he chose to protect his thug friends by committing an illegal act, then he has cast himself in with the thugs. So save your "Ray Ray's innocent and not a thug" crap. Loyalty tofriends is admirable, but when your friends just killed 2 people it is also illegal and thuggish. So he sleeps in the bed he made, quit pretending he was just an innocent bystander trying to be loyal to his friends. Thugs stick together and when the moment came, Ray's first instinct was to protect his thug friends. So as the saying goes, if it looks like a rat and smell like a rat etc...

 

[P Boy]

But say I'm out at a bar, and I look over and see my friends in a fight with some others. I'm up and in there defending my friends in an instant. Now lets say that as I'm running over there to help out, my buddy pulls out a knife and stabs them. I'm not going to suddenly care about these guys that were trying to fight my friends. I'm going to help my friends get out of there ASAP. Sure I'd be shocked and disappointed in my friends' actions, but I'd still stand by him and support him. Its loyalty. It exists among friends and family.

I question your morals. So you would watch your friends kill two people, aid in their escape, party with them afterwards, and then lie to the police to cover your buddies' cold blooded actions?There's throwing a punch in the heat of a melee, it's completely another thing to abet buddies when they escalate the violence to the point where they intentionally kill someone.Your "honor amongst thieves" argument doesn't wash - not in our society. That you are even putting forth a defense of Lewis in the situation just affirms my original assertion - you either are a tunnel visioned hero worshipper or you have a dramatically skewed sense of values. Either way, it's extremely disappointing to think that there are people in our society who believe the way you do, that aiding the escape & then lying for buddies who commited cold blooded murder is more ethical, moral, and reasonable than aiding the wounded men & then aiding justice for the acts of murder - because of some misguided notion of loyalty. Where's the loyalty to our system of justice & the rights of the 2 men who died? That trumps friendship, my friend. To think otherwise is truly disturbing. That you repeatedly argue the same misguided point self-righteously for someone whom you most likely don't even know just because he is a great athlete is saddening.:shakinghead:

 

[glock]

But say I'm out at a bar, and I look over and see my friends in a fight with some others. I'm up and in there defending my friends in an instant. Now lets say that as I'm running over there to help out, my buddy pulls out a knife and stabs them. I'm not going to suddenly care about these guys that were trying to fight my friends. I'm going to help my friends get out of there ASAP. Sure I'd be shocked and disappointed in my friends' actions, but I'd still stand by him and support him. Its loyalty. It exists among friends and family.

I question your morals. So you would watch your friends kill two people, aid in their escape, party with them afterwards, and then lie to the police to cover your buddies' cold blooded actions?There's throwing a punch in the heat of a melee, it's completely another thing to abet buddies when they escalate the violence to the point where they intentionally kill someone.Your "honor amongst thieves" argument doesn't wash - not in our society. That you are even putting forth a defense of Lewis in the situation just affirms my original assertion - you either are a tunnel visioned hero worshipper or you have a dramatically skewed sense of values. Either way, it's extremely disappointing to think that there are people in our society who believe the way you do, that aiding the escape & then lying for buddies who commited cold blooded murder is more ethical, moral, and reasonable than aiding the wounded men & then aiding justice for the acts of murder - because of some misguided notion of loyalty. Where's the loyalty to our system of justice & the rights of the 2 men who died? That trumps friendship, my friend. To think otherwise is truly disturbing. That you repeatedly argue the same misguided point self-righteously for someone whom you most likely don't even know just because he is a great athlete is saddening.:shakinghead:

...I ran out of gas.

 

[JohnnyU]

He had a rough childhood. He had friends from his youth that had been with him all along- he wasn't going to abondon them because he became rich. You can't hold his friends actions against him.

That, my friend, is a smoke screen full of B.S. You can't paint someone as a truly admirable person when the fact is that rather than helping 2 people who his buddies had run through with knives, he instead aided their escape and proceeded to party afterward. A real hero would have at a minimum abondoned his buddies to their own escape & tried to apply first aid to those who lie mortally wounded.To think otherwise either shows that you are subject to tunnel visioned hero worship or your value are so skewed that you honestly don't know any better. I'm not holding his buddies actions against him, I'm holding Lewis' own actions against him.Since we are talking about kids, how exactly would you feel if one of your kids were the victim of Lewis' buddies, and then you ran into someone who thought that Lewis was above reproach and a saint despite being involved as he was in your kid's death?

How old are you? I'm curious because you sound like youre an older guy.Look, I'm a Christian and I generally consider myself to be a moral person. But say I'm out at a bar, and I look over and see my friends in a fight with some others. I'm up and in there defending my friends in an instant. Now lets say that as I'm running over there to help out, my buddy pulls out a knife and stabs them. I'm not going to suddenly care about these guys that were trying to fight my friends. I'm going to help my friends get out of there ASAP. Sure I'd be shocked and disappointed in my friends' actions, but I'd still stand by him and support him. Its loyalty. It exists among friends and family.

I can't believe I just read that

 

[CommuterMan]

WOW...I wonder if players like Lewis and TO ever stop to laugh at all the controversy that they stir-up, not only on this board but in the media...I would love to be in the position of saying or doing something that causes so many people to just go crazy doing something that ultimately matters didly-squat!!!Oh wait, I know its like dropping a rock on an ant hill, the ants go around like the world is coming to an end, running this way and that way.JAA you asked what TO should do when the media asks a question, especially a question that only seeks to bait him, he should as all players should do is simply say, "NO COMMENT" But the Media needs controversy to make headlines and sell papers and they know which players are most likely to add to the media bonfire, all they need to do is all alittle fuel - "did you hear what so and so said..."The players share the blame in this whole circus as well. So many of these players CRAVE the spotlight - it's like a drug!! And in order to get noticed each week above the other players clammoring for attention, your act must be more outrageous or your words more inflamitory then the next guy, or the microphone/camera will move onto someother player.Finally, the fan also shares the blame in this process. Our appetite for sensationalism grows each year. What would have shocked and disgusted our parents just a generation ago is common place and accepted in our society today. The envelope continues to be pushed with every show/media event/sport just so that we the buying public continue to tune-in every moment of our lives....As so many have said already on this board, the NFL is all about entertainment. Today the entertainment is pretty tame to the days of the Roman Empire and the gladiators. But look back at history folks, and you'll see that the gladiators once were a sport of gamesmanship and honor - much like today. Only when the interest of the spectators began to wane, did the fight become more gruesome, ultimately adding to the mass deaths of chosen groups - all to quench the entertainment of the masses...

 

[jwvdcw]

Bump to mention the Ray Lewis interview on ESPN...anyone who saw that can see what a man Ray is...he ended the feud right there imo.

 

[JAA]

Bump to mention the Ray Lewis interview on ESPN...anyone who saw that can see what a man Ray is...he ended the feud right there imo.

I didnt see it? ?