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T.O.'s crying again (1 Viewer)
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Exactly...Owens is getting what he deserves. He is widely disliked by the leauge becuase of the way he acts.Ray Lewis is actually pretty well liked around the league...he helps out many years with the rookie camps, as he talks to them about how to not get in trouble like he did. He is a fabulous teamate.But imo this is the most telling thing:GO ASK ALL OF RAY LEWIS' FORMER AND CURRENT TEAMATES AT EVERY LEVEL WHAT THEY THINK OF HIM. THEN GO ASK TO'S FORMER AND CURRENT TEAMATES. THEIR ANSWERS WILL EXPLAIN WHY THINGS ARE THE WAY THEY ARE.Well, I'm seriously amazed. Owens is whining & crying about being "discouraged at times that I get labeled and put in the same mold", yet he is the guy who does everything humanly possible to draw attention to himself with classless stunts that go far beyond entertainment and well into self-aggrandizement and stupidity. Owens is one of those guys who could care less about the team, as long as he gets his shining moments in the spotlight - and he is one of those athletes that younger kids emulate much to the detriment of sportsmanship and the spirit of athletics.Owens made his own bed, and when he gets called on it he repeatedly runs crying to the media about how he is being persecuted. Then his behavior gets defended here by hard core football fans. Amazing.There is no question that the guy is superbly talented, but that doesn't excuse his behavior on the field. And if his mouth lines him up in Lewis' crosshairs, I say "Go get him Ray Ray" even though I am no fan of Lewis by any stretch of the imagination.And the fact that I don't have Owens on a FF team has absolutely no bearing on my opinion in this. Sheesh - FF ain't everything, folks. Get a clue.
Ray Lewis plays with emotion...the reasoin his dance looks so 'idiotic' and 'laughable' is because its all just made up as it goes...hes just doing whatever gets him pumped up.TO, on the other hand, looks really cool when he dances(not idiotic like RL)...thats because he practices all these dances and celebrations...hes not doing it based on emotion.Moreover, look at RL when the Raven's offense is on the field and look at TO when the Eagle's defense is on the field....who do you think regularly cheers on his team more? Its RL...because he only cares about his team- thats why he celebrates.
Can we stop miscasting Ray Lewis in this light?His friends murdered somebody. Ray Lewis was immediately questioned by cops...out of loyalty to his friends he basically said, "I have no clue about anything." Then after thinking things over, he thought it would be better to tell the truth. Thats not an easy decision. You all critisize him, but I'd like to see if you'd turn your best friends, mom, sister, son, etc. in to the cops if you were in the same situation.And then Ray Lewis got tons of criticism! He took it, and became a better person as a result. Now he routinely talks in rookie camps to help them avoid 'bad people' and he is one of the best team leaders in the game.TO has never learned anything from his criticism. You all keep bringing up Ray's murder case...but he has learned from that and its in the past. Ray Lewis no longer has any problems with that and he has more than made ammends for his actions. TO continues to do stupid stuff, which is why he(and not RL) is the target of the media.
jerseys finest
Footballguy
TO has never learned anything from his criticism. You all keep bringing up Ray's murder case...but he has learned from that and its in the past. Ray Lewis no longer has any problems with that and he has more than made ammends for his actions. TO continues to do stupid stuff, which is why he(and not RL) is the target of the media.
i 100 percent agree with you on ray lewis. he lived it and he learned from it. i respect him 100%. he is the best linebacker in the NFL today and maybe ever.
but look at it from TO's standpoint. you are saying he hasn't learned from the criticism he has received? basically the criticism for TO is STOP HAVING FUN. he goes out there and has fun with the GAME. remember that, it is a GAME. the controversy doesn't start until someone brings up THEIR problem with his TD celebrations. then he does what anyone would do, defend his actions. he may do it in the wrong way sometimes, but dont pawn it off as its always TO's fault. thats a bit unjust.
if ya dont like it, fine dont like it, you have every right not to, but its not going to stop him. The guy is out there producing well beyond expectations and having fun with the game... being an eagles homer, i love it.
oh ya, and those who say its all about TO... i watch every eagles game on the ticket. TO is out there on the sidelines cheering the defense on. maybe not every single play, but if the defense is on a long series, he is up on his feet rooting them on. He may not have had any team unity on the niners, but he does have it with the eagles and he knows it.
i 100 percent agree with you on ray lewis. he lived it and he learned from it. i respect him 100%. he is the best linebacker in the NFL today and maybe ever.
but look at it from TO's standpoint. you are saying he hasn't learned from the criticism he has received? basically the criticism for TO is STOP HAVING FUN. he goes out there and has fun with the GAME. remember that, it is a GAME. the controversy doesn't start until someone brings up THEIR problem with his TD celebrations. then he does what anyone would do, defend his actions. he may do it in the wrong way sometimes, but dont pawn it off as its always TO's fault. thats a bit unjust.
if ya dont like it, fine dont like it, you have every right not to, but its not going to stop him. The guy is out there producing well beyond expectations and having fun with the game... being an eagles homer, i love it.
oh ya, and those who say its all about TO... i watch every eagles game on the ticket. TO is out there on the sidelines cheering the defense on. maybe not every single play, but if the defense is on a long series, he is up on his feet rooting them on. He may not have had any team unity on the niners, but he does have it with the eagles and he knows it.
But other than sticking up for his best friends by not ratting them out to the cops...what has Ray Lewis ever done to show that hes such a bad person?And even if you do believe thats a terrible thing, hes clearly apologized and made amends for that. If TO apologized for his actions and ceased doing them, then I'd forgive him in an instant.Teamates and everyone who knows Ray Lewis have never said anything publicly bad about him.
i 100 percent agree with you on ray lewis. he lived it and he learned from it. i respect him 100%. he is the best linebacker in the NFL today and maybe ever.
but look at it from TO's standpoint. you are saying he hasn't learned from the criticism he has received? basically the criticism for TO is STOP HAVING FUN. he goes out there and has fun with the GAME. remember that, it is a GAME. the controversy doesn't start until someone brings up THEIR problem with his TD celebrations. then he does what anyone would do, defend his actions. he may do it in the wrong way sometimes, but dont pawn it off as its always TO's fault. thats a bit unjust.
if ya dont like it, fine dont like it, you have every right not to, but its not going to stop him. The guy is out there producing well beyond expectations and having fun with the game... being an eagles homer, i love it.
oh ya, and those who say its all about TO... i watch every eagles game on the ticket. TO is out there on the sidelines cheering the defense on. maybe not every single play, but if the defense is on a long series, he is up on his feet rooting them on. He may not have had any team unity on the niners, but he does have it with the eagles and he knows it.
Very good post.
You're right. And I really don't have a problem with TO's dances at all. I do have a problem with how he treats some current/former teamates, though. And I will always defend Ray Lewis.
So if your best friend, mom, son, etc. murdered somebody, you'd be first in line to tell the cops?Some people would call that loyalty.I'm not necessarily defending it as the right thing to do, but its not such a terrible thing as you're making it out to be.Moreover, he has apologized numerous times and now he helps out in rookie camps to let everyone know how to avoid making those same mistakes...I'd say hes earned his retribution.
Power Monster
The Midnight Stalker
Wow- TO needs to take a shot like this at Ray Lewis in order to elevate his status? Or is that his ego? He calls Ray Lewis a friend that he just sort of shoots exchanges with here and there in the press and yet he (TO) resorts to running out something that is not only personal to Ray Lewis but an absolute waste of time. What is he trying to prove? All TO is doing here is stirring the pot. I think that the guy is nothing but a little Madonna. He talks about himself over and over and for a guy that plays on a very good football team he needs to let his actions speak on the field and quit the nonsense. He did the same thing with Jeff Garcia- he ran his name thru the mud when all he had to do was walk away. In one year TO has ripped Garcia, Ray Lewis, embarrassed the 49’ers, the Ravens, The Eagles and the NFL. Some people might not see it that way but I do. The guy walks off the field after the Eagles win and the first thing he talks about is himself. Great. I think the Eagles are going to roll deep into the playoffs and I also think that TO has a very good chance of doing something stupid to disrail the team. The man is as talented as any receiver in the league. We already know that TO. Go on Oprah or Dr. Phil. Call Dennis Rodman and wear some mascara and a wedding dress but know one thing- TO is an ##### and he proves it every time he opens his mouth!
Jackassery
That's great! Is that anything like a shamockery?I think they are both tools myself. I think Ray is annoying with his dance that emulates a local bum. It think its pretty un-masculine myself. I know he is a great hard hitting player but I think the crackhead dance takes a lot away from the aura that a mean quite defensive player of his ability would have. I would think that if I were on his team that his constant screaming and yelling would make me sick. It is a good thing to be a team leader, he just comes off as a blowhard to me. I do think he is a hell of a player and I think he is persecuted for being in a situation that many of us would have handled the same way. By no means am I apologizing for him in the double murder case, but I think there are very few people in this world who would have handled that situation differently. I was not there so I can't say for sure. I think it is unfair to use a blanket statements such as calling him a double murder and so forth. I think TO is a moron for constantly asking "Why does everybody hate me?"They tell him it is because of his antics and some of the things he says. If he wants everybody to love him then maybe he should try to appeal to the masses instead of trying to appeal strictly to the fans who enjoy the showboating stuff. I think he should be himself, but if he doesn't want the negative criticism, then stop doing the things people are criticizing you of doing!The bottom line is that comparing them is like comparing apples to oranges. They are both great players at the top of their profession. Both of them are loud, obnoxious card carrying blowhards.I personally understand both sides of the coin. I prefer the likes of Curtis Martin, Emmitt Smith, Rod Smith, Michael Strahan, and so forth.My best friend on the other hand loves TO, Keyshawn Johnson, Deion Sanders, Brian Mitchell, and Joe Horn because of their ... Ahem... "Jackassery"
The Commish
Footballguy
First off....Mad Sweeney has just expanded my vocabulary. "Jackassery" has officially been added.
It's sad, but everything he says is true. There is nothing wrong with celebrating though....don't get me wrong. I just don't think it should be at the expense of other players. These players don't seem to understand the "what goes around comes around" theory. Bottom line is, all the whining and complaining is over things these players have complete control over themselves. If you don't want to be made and example of or shown in an unfavorable light don't act in the ways that draw that kind of attention. It's that simple. Don't think that you will not be called a fool if you act like one.
JAA
Footballguy
J,If I decided to lie to protect murders, I would say the same thing about myself. Im not saying I would not make the same decision Ray-Ray made, I am saying I would need to live with the same stigma he is getting from me. Just because somepeople would make the same decision, doesnt make it right or forgivable.JAA
The Commish
Footballguy
It doesn't really matter what "some people" might call it....the government calls it a felony.
Tenderknee
Footballguy
This is classic!!!!
It's almost as if Ray Lewis apologizing for the incident and his part in it makes it okay, after all, it was only double-murder.Terrell Owens is the Dennis Rodman of the NFL. If you don't get that Terrell Owens just wants his name to be as big as it can be, and that is all he wants, then you are probably trying too hard to act naive. I know he cares about winning because no one cares about losers, and he knows that greatness often is associated with winning. Terrell is as smart as they come. He has a plan for himself, and he is sticking with it. He'll do whatever it takes to make it into the Hall of Fame, and be considered one of the best WRs ever. Shoot, he replaced the great Jerry Rice and you don't expect him to have some sort of "God-complex".One thing about what Terrell says, looking at what is quoted from him, you can almost see how a reporter must have "led" him to an answer. REPORTER: "Terrell, even Jerry Porter thinks that Ray Lewis's persona gets special treatment, even though he was involved in a double-murder case. How is that fair for you when all you do is do a little dance?"TERRELL: "Yeah, that is what I'm saying. I don't want to bring any of these things up about other people. That is their problems and I want to leave it at that, but I do think that in comparison to Ray Lewis being involved with a double-murder case and people still loving him, and myself just doing a dance and getting torched by the media, it just isn't right."HEADLINES: "TERRELL OWENS SAYS IMITATING RAY LEWIS' DANCE IS INCONSEQUENTIAL COMPARED TO RAY LEWIS BEING INVOLVED IN DOUBLE-MURDER."TERRELL: "You Press-guys must hate me!!!"REPORTER POOL: "What do you mean Terrell? We LOVE you!!!"In any case, all you guys complaining about Terrell Owens are sheep and he is your shepard whether you realize it or not. Of course you don't....that is why you are sheep. Watch the game for it entertainment purposes. If you had held your elected officials up to the same scrutiny, we might have better government. But you all don't, so shut up and watch the game....and just cheer for your team without commentary about someone's character because you aren't a psychologist, are you?
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Canuckleheads
Footballguy
You're missing my point here dude.I'm talking about the way the players perceive him. Not the public.You have to be kidding me! Kobe was accused of rape! You cannot put those players in the same zipcode.JAA
switz
Footballguy
Lying (learn to spell people) to protect murderers is wrong no matter who they are. It's a false kindness to let people you are close to get away with doing wrong. They don't learn anything from it, and they'll likely continue in a bad course, and get caught, probably worse off in the end.Anyway my thoughts on the TO Ray thing is this... TO is an arrogant jerk, no doubts about it. But he's a model citizen so far. That can't be said about Ray. But Ray does not draw alot of attention to himself. That's why we don't hear so much about him...
QUOTE (mad sweeney @ Nov 4 2004, 10:45 AM) There is a line, however, between class/good sportsmanship and self aggrandizing jackassery. Jackassery That's great! Is that anything like a shamockery?I think they are both tools myself. I think Ray is annoying with his dance that emulates a local bum. It think its pretty un-masculine myself. I know he is a great hard hitting player but I think the crackhead dance takes a lot away from the aura that a mean quite defensive player of his ability would have. I would think that if I were on his team that his constant screaming and yelling would make me sick. It is a good thing to be a team leader, he just comes off as a blowhard to me. I do think he is a hell of a player and I think he is persecuted for being in a situation that many of us would have handled the same way. By no means am I apologizing for him in the double murder case, but I think there are very few people in this world who would have handled that situation differently. I was not there so I can't say for sure. I think it is unfair to use a blanket statements such as calling him a double murder and so forth. I think TO is a moron for constantly asking "Why does everybody hate me?"They tell him it is because of his antics and some of the things he says. If he wants everybody to love him then maybe he should try to appeal to the masses instead of trying to appeal strictly to the fans who enjoy the showboating stuff. I think he should be himself, but if he doesn't want the negative criticism, then stop doing the things people are criticizing you of doing!The bottom line is that comparing them is like comparing apples to oranges. They are both great players at the top of their profession. Both of them are loud, obnoxious card carrying blowhards.I personally understand both sides of the coin. I prefer the likes of Curtis Martin, Emmitt Smith, Rod Smith, Michael Strahan, and so forth.My best friend on the other hand loves TO, Keyshawn Johnson, Deion Sanders, Brian Mitchell, and Joe Horn because of their ... Ahem... "Jackassery"
suchislife
Footballguy
PM, did you miss the part where Lewis called TO a coward? After Owens called Lewis a friend? If anyone's a coward in this its Lewis! He had his chance to do something about it on the field but doesn't. Then goes to his locker room after said coward beat his team (100+ yds, GW TD) and mouths off?? Gimme a break!TO tried to put an end to things after winning and referred to RL as a friend. Lewis prolonged the arguement. I agree that Lewis is the one that comes out of this looking like he's
AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
With this new image in mind, I may enjoy THE BOOT more in the future.Agreed.Something Porter does after a big play...Looks like he's kicking Ray Lewis' head off his shoulders. It's pretty sweet. Short, but sweet.
salmonstud
Footballguy
Bingo! I couldn't agree more. It's original, but Ray looks like a moron doing that assine jig. On the flip side of the coin, T.O. is one of the most annoying players in the NFL to me......just runs his mouth without thinking before he speaks. My momma calls people like that idiots. However, idiot or not, I don't have a problem with T.O. impersonation or his comments regarding people not minding that Ray & his buddies carved up some clubbers.
Power Monster
The Midnight Stalker
Well, I think that they are both a couple of yo-yo's! I figure that Lewis is pissed off that TO never joined the Ravens but then again this is football or it is supposed to be football. All these crying millionaires need to just play the game- u lose you tip your cap. You win you move on to the next game. They both call each other a friend- well I never treat and talk about a friend like this and I would never do it in public! This is just a bunch of cat calling from both guys- around and around like a couple of soap opera queens. Typical media slinging this excrement upon the masses. When this is the hot topic of the football week then there is something wrong with the NFL. Play football and shut yer pie hole boys!PM, did you miss the part where Lewis called TO a coward? After Owens called Lewis a friend? If anyone's a coward in this its Lewis! He had his chance to do something about it on the field but doesn't. Then goes to his locker room after said coward beat his team (100+ yds, GW TD) and mouths off?? Gimme a break!TO tried to put an end to things after winning and referred to RL as a friend. Lewis prolonged the arguement. I agree that Lewis is the one that comes out of this looking like he's
placeholder10391
Footballguy
Way to completely ignore every good point made in the post that you are responding to.placeholder10391
Footballguy
Agreed, best post in this thread.
Crusaderfan
Footballguy
Sheesh - football ain't everything either.Sheesh - FF ain't everything, folks. Get a clue.
Whenever I see Ray-Ray I think back to how he looked in the courtroom in his orange jump-suit. Ray-Ray is as big of "self-promoter" as there is in the NFL. Turn on ESPN and that's all you ever see - Ray-Ray bein' a thug.I would worry more that young kids would want to emulate his behavior than I would worry about them emulating TO. At least TO's infractions only effect the game - Ray-Ray's have spilled over into society!Willie
-OZ-
Footballguy
I haven't read the 3 pages of thread - maybe later.
But, I'm starting to really like TO. He says what is on his mind, and doesn't back off of anyone, even Ray Lewis. He is absolutely correct - people get on his case for having fun while accepting criminals. He makes the game fun and interesting.
TO FOR PRESIDENT!
But, I'm starting to really like TO. He says what is on his mind, and doesn't back off of anyone, even Ray Lewis. He is absolutely correct - people get on his case for having fun while accepting criminals. He makes the game fun and interesting.
TO FOR PRESIDENT!
Stillers Jr.
Footballguy
I live in Philly, but am a Steeler fan so I automatically dislike Ray Lewis and TO from the word GO. I have to admit, I loved it when TO mocked Lewis for 2 reasons...1 - I always thought him imitating Joey Porter was the bottom of the barrelland 2 - I knew it would piss him off to no endWhat comes around goes around Ray-Ray...eat it.and the dude defending Lewis like he's some sorta saint (you have his freakin pic as your avatar), do us a favor and stop trying to rationalize his actions. You don't know him personally, you're a Baltimore Homer upset his icon has egg all over his face... and deservedly so...Just live with the fact he's a fantastic Linebacker and a ##### human being...
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Chaos
Footballguy
I've been reading your posts in this thread and I've come to some conclusions.They way you are defending Ray Lewis makes me believe that you are actually Ray (who else could know these "insights" you provide) or his mother (because nobody else so blindly defends).Since when did every perp who is accused get convicted? Especially the connected and wealthy in our society. I don't know all of the facts Ray's case but I'll bet some nobody would be sitting in jail if they had been accused of what Ray was accused of. The lesser charge was all the prosecution could make stick. That doesn't mean he didn't do it or had nothing to do with it. Get real.Our society is funny. We want a loud mouth like TO to fall on his face. I think it just burns people up to no end that he continues to back it up. His constant refusal to "back down" or adjust his behavior has people incensed. Meanwhile others like Ray Lewis, Jamal Lewis, Leonard Little, etc.... do their worst but keep a more "appropriate" demeanor in the public eye and they are forgiven? It makes no sense.Anybody that wastes timeBeing accused of something means nothing! Why do we continue to fault people who were acquitted of things(OJ aside because hes obviously an exception)?You have to be kidding me! Kobe was accused of rape! You cannot put those players in the same zipcode.JAA
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TO while ZERO outcry is raised about somebody who was convicted of vehicular homocide and who continues to drive and drink and get DUI's and who is allowed to continue to make bank is just absurd and a crying shame.
ILoveMyLions
Footballguy
Well, it's pretty much been said that TO isn't the greatest guy in the world, but I do agree with him on this issue. He is branded as a "bad" seed, some of it his own doing, and meanwhile Lewis is embraced by the NFL and he does as much trash talking and hot dogging as TO. It is a double standard IMO.
Banger
Footballguy
Very good post.
You're right. And I really don't have a problem with TO's dances at all. I do have a problem with how he treats some current/former teamates, though. And I will always defend Ray Lewis.
So Ray Lewis mocking Jerry Porter's dance (pre-planned I might add) and mocking him sitting out after he was shot last season is ok but TO mocking Ray Lewis's dance is wrong. I get it now.
placeholder10391
Footballguy
Um, how about the sentence before that one?
maddawg2020
Footballguy
Which one is going to take my team to the Super Bowl faster???LoL... who cares what they do and say? It don't matter! Like the great Lombardi said once, "Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."I am a Philly homer for sure, but I would say this for any player-- TO is GREAT and can do whatever the hell he wants because he helps his team win.E-A-G-L-E-S-Eagles!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Stillers Jr.
Footballguy
LOL....Are you from Philly? That's the mentality here...
glock
"Don't grumble, give a whistle!"
So lets see...T.O. does what YOU would love to be in the position to do...and he is an ###.Lewis doesn't "rat out" his murdering pals- read: breaking the law himself- and manages to cop a deal, largely thanks to his position...and T.O. is an ###.?Law breaker > ###?You my freind and "the hood" share a slightly skewed take on reality... 
maddawg2020
Footballguy
No I dont feelDont you feelfor saying that?
for saying anything because I didn't say anything absurb or inappropriate. If a player wants to celebrate and act like a jackass, so be it. He doesn't have a DUI or murder rap or beat his wife or do drugs or anything else wrong. He talks trash, he makes a fool of himself and celebrates. So what??? it doesn't hurt anyone.Also, for anyone who thinks TO doesn't respect McNabb, then catch the talk they had on the sideline of the Cleaveland game. TO ripped down that sign and McNabb pulled him aside and told him something as did Andy Reid and TO shook his head yes and seemed to realize that the sign incident was probably a little too much and even admitted that on a local sports show two days later (Daily News Live on Comcast SportsNet).Regardless of what you think of him, he's not a distraction to the team nor is he malicious... anyone who can't see this is obviously jealous that he isn't on your team...E-A-G-L-E-S-Eagles!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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glock
"Don't grumble, give a whistle!"
...Not to mention (til now 
) your thinly veiled death threat- "digging his own grave" -directed at T.O. for blowing up a real tough guy like Ray Lewis...It would be just like one of those chicken**** hoodlum types to threaten a guy for poking fun at him. "Don't be dissin' me, maannn." 
The truth sometimes hurts. :rotflmao:
) your thinly veiled death threat- "digging his own grave" -directed at T.O. for blowing up a real tough guy like Ray Lewis...It would be just like one of those chicken**** hoodlum types to threaten a guy for poking fun at him. "Don't be dissin' me, maannn." The truth sometimes hurts. :rotflmao:
