tad worried about MIN D (1 Viewer)

[Horses Mouth]

I burned a mid round pick for this D as we reward D very highly in our league. what's your post week 1 gut feeling about them as they looked pretty exposed in the secondary against GB. I do have Bills as a backup and may play them vs. JAC this week. TIA.

 

[CrossEyed]

I thought the same thing watching last night. I may have to consider grabbing a second D just in case.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

They were starting a rookie at safety and Cedric Griffin got hurt early on, which led to the long bomb to Jennings.

I thought the d-line disappointed last night, though. Not sure what happened there especially considering the Packers had to shuffle their line around a bit.

 

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As someone who targeted them in the mid rounds as well I too am very disappointed thus far. I could see a moderate score but they had little pressure on Rodgers and were not nearly as adept at jumping routes as last year.

Granted many of rodgers passes were short dink/dunk style likely designed to minimize the chance of a turnover... but it was a bit unnerving to watch last night knowing they weren't going to get anywhere near the points I was hoping to squeeze out of them

 

[Monk81]

I'm going to grab the Bills as insurance... I did not like what I saw last night.

 

[Sup_Yo]

They were starting a rookie at safety and Cedric Griffin got hurt early on, which led to the long bomb to Jennings.I thought the d-line disappointed last night, though. Not sure what happened there especially considering the Packers had to shuffle their line around a bit.

Did C. Griffin come back in the game? If not, does anyone know the extent of his injury?

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

They do get to play Detroit twice.

 

[sho nuff]

Few things...GB's Oline has been good as a pass block unit for a while.

And with injuries, Minny's already questionable secondary will take some lumps.

That and GB was smart moving Rodgers around to keep him away from the pressure.

Allen commented after the game that it was actually harder facing Rodgers with his motion than it was facing Favre last year.

 

[angman]

Another thing you have to factor in is they still play 8 games in that Dome and they are mighty tough there. I haven't done a statistical study, but off the top of my head, I remember that most of their big defensive games were at home.

 

[tomarken]

This thread should be pinned and referenced whenever anyone contemplates taking a defense anywhere in the first ten rounds of their draft.

 

[purestrength]

I would still start the Minny D at home this weekend.

The Colts' O-line, without Jeff Saturday, is not good and Peyton likely needs another a week or two (at least) to get his rhythm back.

Ordinarily, I would not recommend playing a D against the Colts. But things aren't the same for Indy right now.

 

[Statcruncher]

We have a weird scoring format but here were last year's top three D's and their weekly average points per game:

20.4 San Diego

18.8 New England

17.2 Minnesota

Minnesota scored 275 total points in our league, 117 points (14.625 per game) at home in the Giant Baggy and 158 points (19.75 per game) on the road. They had the highest number of defensive/special teams TD's last year, and those are extremely hard to predict/repeat.

I think more important than location is whether the Vikes win the game or not. Last year they were 8 and 8. In the 8 wins the D scored 201 points (25.125 per game) and in the 8 losses they score 74 points (9.25 per game). For comparison the worst D in our league last year averaged over 9.3 points per game for the year. If I had the Minny D I would only consider them a must start if I were pretty certain they would win.

 

[Kleck]

I thought MN DST was a little overrated this year because of the amount of TD's they had last year. That's a hard stat to repeat, especially when you have 6 INT returns for TD on only like 15 total INTs.

 

[blackjack23]

Im glad I drafted SD ahead of them.. oh wait

 

[Shooter McGavin]

They do get to play Detroit twice.

And Chicago twice.

 

[Ned]

i think gb is being severely underrated right now. (aside from that horrid 2min drill when they tried to hand the game to minny last night)

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

They do get to play Detroit twice.

And Chicago twice.

Utterly watchable in their bumbling, like David Spade / Chris Farley movies. There is relatively little humor to be extracted from the misery and psychosis of the Lions... that's more like one of those weird Robin Williams "comedies." Say, RV.

 

[derek245583]

I thought Minny looked good. GB is no slouch and it was in GB...

Playing at home will be a huge advantage to the Vikes and GB really, REALLY struggled punching it in down inside the 5.

Ya they let up some yards and didnt get any takeaways, but I didnt really think they missed much. Jared Allen needed to get in there and mix it up with the other team's QB though. That was lacking.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

They were starting a rookie at safety and Cedric Griffin got hurt early on, which led to the long bomb to Jennings.I thought the d-line disappointed last night, though. Not sure what happened there especially considering the Packers had to shuffle their line around a bit.

Frankly they really held on every play. That was the only way clifton was able to contain Allen. I mean they flagged a bunch, but not nearly as many as they committed.That said, the biggest issue last night was the offense. Minn D was on the field about 65 percent of the game.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

They were starting a rookie at safety and Cedric Griffin got hurt early on, which led to the long bomb to Jennings.I thought the d-line disappointed last night, though. Not sure what happened there especially considering the Packers had to shuffle their line around a bit.

Frankly they really held on every play. That was the only way clifton was able to contain Allen. I mean they flagged a bunch, but not nearly as many as they committed.That said, the biggest issue last night was the offense. Minn D was on the field about 65 percent of the game.

to any who Tivo'd the game, they isolated a montage of "how Clifton is 'handling" Jared Allen" and all 3-4 plays you could see Clifton with two hands of jersey. It was almost comical. Mid-way through the third IIRC.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

That said, the biggest issue last night was the offense. Minn D was on the field about 65 percent of the game.

The Minnesota D was on the field less than 50% of the game as the Vikings won the TOP 32 minutes to 28. In the second half, it seemed a much greater disparity. I was at the game and will be watching the tv broadcast in the next few days and one of the things I am very interested to see is how the makeshift Packers' interior OL handed the Williams bros. Kevin seemed his usual active self, but I didn't see the usual destructiveness I have come to expect from those two. Maybe Pat's age is finally catching up with him? The DB's on this defense are a well-known liability, especially with the injuries. I think Winfield is the only guy who can cover anyone back there.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

They were starting a rookie at safety and Cedric Griffin got hurt early on, which led to the long bomb to Jennings.I thought the d-line disappointed last night, though. Not sure what happened there especially considering the Packers had to shuffle their line around a bit.

Frankly they really held on every play. That was the only way clifton was able to contain Allen. I mean they flagged a bunch, but not nearly as many as they committed.That said, the biggest issue last night was the offense. Minn D was on the field about 65 percent of the game.

to any who Tivo'd the game, they isolated a montage of "how Clifton is 'handling" Jared Allen" and all 3-4 plays you could see Clifton with two hands of jersey. It was almost comical. Mid-way through the third IIRC.

An OL grabbing jersey when locked up is the norm - certainly not by itself considered holding in the NFL.

 

[sho nuff]

They were starting a rookie at safety and Cedric Griffin got hurt early on, which led to the long bomb to Jennings.

I thought the d-line disappointed last night, though. Not sure what happened there especially considering the Packers had to shuffle their line around a bit.

Frankly they really held on every play. That was the only way clifton was able to contain Allen. I mean they flagged a bunch, but not nearly as many as they committed.That said, the biggest issue last night was the offense. Minn D was on the field about 65 percent of the game.

Funny...Allen goes nowhere near saying that and commented that Clifton just played better.

Funny also that its not the first time Clifton has done that with Allen.

Nice cry though.

 

[sho nuff]

They were starting a rookie at safety and Cedric Griffin got hurt early on, which led to the long bomb to Jennings.I thought the d-line disappointed last night, though. Not sure what happened there especially considering the Packers had to shuffle their line around a bit.

Frankly they really held on every play. That was the only way clifton was able to contain Allen. I mean they flagged a bunch, but not nearly as many as they committed.That said, the biggest issue last night was the offense. Minn D was on the field about 65 percent of the game.

to any who Tivo'd the game, they isolated a montage of "how Clifton is 'handling" Jared Allen" and all 3-4 plays you could see Clifton with two hands of jersey. It was almost comical. Mid-way through the third IIRC.

Actually only one was really a hold and it was the ticky tack one that they called.

 

[sho nuff]

That said, the biggest issue last night was the offense. Minn D was on the field about 65 percent of the game.

The Minnesota D was on the field less than 50% of the game as the Vikings won the TOP 32 minutes to 28. In the second half, it seemed a much greater disparity. I was at the game and will be watching the tv broadcast in the next few days and one of the things I am very interested to see is how the makeshift Packers' interior OL handed the Williams bros. Kevin seemed his usual active self, but I didn't see the usual destructiveness I have come to expect from those two. Maybe Pat's age is finally catching up with him? The DB's on this defense are a well-known liability, especially with the injuries. I think Winfield is the only guy who can cover anyone back there.

Yeah...the 3rd quarter really changed the time of posession.GB had the ball I think the one time and had the TD called back...then had the punt return. The rest was nice time consuming drives by Minny...that and that quicker drive with the long run by Grant late.Kevin did have a good game up the middle in run support for sure.

 

[munchkin]

They were starting a rookie at safety and Cedric Griffin got hurt early on, which led to the long bomb to Jennings.

I thought the d-line disappointed last night, though. Not sure what happened there especially considering the Packers had to shuffle their line around a bit.

Frankly they really held on every play. That was the only way clifton was able to contain Allen. I mean they flagged a bunch, but not nearly as many as they committed.That said, the biggest issue last night was the offense. Minn D was on the field about 65 percent of the game.

The offense has to get better. Their play book appeared to be the size of one of those interactive children's play books. Childress needs to give Andy Reid a call.

 

[the spanker]

Bump.

I'm still considering what to do with MINN D. I just don't like their match up this week against the Colts. I know Manning didn't look good in week one but I have a feeling he shakes off all of the rust and exposes the already shaky MINN secondary for big gains this week and a few scores.

What are MINN owners doing? Are you looking for another D this week and holding on to MINN, playing them or going with another D altogether?

Other good match ups I like this week:

Seattle/9ers- someone dropped hawks D and considering picking them up. Can Seattle rebound this week? They always seem to pick it up when they play at home right?

Carolina/Bears - Any homers or anyone like Carolina D? I don't know much about them. I like Stewart on special teams and would help since my league awards pts for return yds. I really like their schedule playing Falcons (2), Chiefs, Bucs (2), Raiders, Lions, Cards, possibly Vikes and Saints.

Cards/Miami- One thing we know is that Miami is not a high powered offense which should give Cards D opportunities to make plays on the ball. But then again Chad is pretty efficient with ball and Ronnie/Ricky could be a problem as Gore had a good game against them last week.

Any thoughts here? Come on guys chime in please!

 

[footballnerd]

Now planning to use a matchup based Bills Minn combo. Jags O-line this week looks enticing.