Taiwan Jones (1 Viewer)

[massraider]

:garbagecanicon:

Posts like this are awesome. I love how few people actually realize that the Raiders made huge leaps on offense last season, their first under then OC, now Head Coach, Hue Jackson. McFadden had a career season. The Raiders finished with the #6 scoring offense and the #2 rushing offense in the NFL. Note that they put up those final offensive stats, despite struggling on that side of the ball for much of the early part of last season. They had a fantastic draft last season, and I for one, a person who had been very critical of Raider drafting over the years, am very happy with this year's picks, including Taiwan Jones. Something switched over the last few drafts and suddenly the Raiders are taking almost exclusively high character guys. I don't think this is by accident. Somewhere along the line recently, someone convinced Al that character counts and right now, this is a team on the way up. Oh well, three words to always remmember: haters gonna hate.

You misunderstood me. I said that because of who's in front of him, thus making his fantasy value garbage for right now. Bush isn't going anywhere and McFadden is coming off a career year.

I wouldn't be so sure about Bush. If he just signs tender, he's a UFA next year. Might need to wait a year, but in 2012, you could be a DMC hammy pull away from RB1 numbers.

 

[LawFitz]

:garbagecanicon:

Posts like this are awesome. I love how few people actually realize that the Raiders made huge leaps on offense last season, their first under then OC, now Head Coach, Hue Jackson. McFadden had a career season. The Raiders finished with the #6 scoring offense and the #2 rushing offense in the NFL. Note that they put up those final offensive stats, despite struggling on that side of the ball for much of the early part of last season. They had a fantastic draft last season, and I for one, a person who had been very critical of Raider drafting over the years, am very happy with this year's picks, including Taiwan Jones. Something switched over the last few drafts and suddenly the Raiders are taking almost exclusively high character guys. I don't think this is by accident. Somewhere along the line recently, someone convinced Al that character counts and right now, this is a team on the way up. Oh well, three words to always remmember: haters gonna hate.

You misunderstood me. I said that because of who's in front of him, thus making his fantasy value garbage for right now. Bush isn't going anywhere and McFadden is coming off a career year.

Fair enough. I guess I'm just a little too used to Raider hate being the main reason someone would make the type of comment you made. Also because I thought TJ landing in Oakland was actually one of the better places he could go in terms of his fantasy stock. This guy wasn't going to be a starter this year or even next on any team in the league. And given Bush's long-term status, DMC's health history, and Hue Jackson's ability to make absolute studs out of playmaking, receiving RBs, I don't see at all how this can be considered a garbage can situation from an unbiased observer.

 

[OPS]

Looked good in his only preseason action of the year. Worth holding as a handcuff for McFadden in a deep redraft? Or will Bush carry the load if he goes down?

 

[No. 16]

Looked good in his only preseason action of the year. Worth holding as a handcuff for McFadden in a deep redraft? Or will Bush carry the load if he goes down?

Both McFadden and Bush have trouble staying healthy, but even then not sure how many touches Jones will see since McFadden and Bush are both suited to be 3rd down backs. In re-draft I wouldn't use him as a handcuff because he'll be used sparingly, but dynasty I would lock him up.

 

[flranger]

It's time to bump this thread. Next week it goes to 200 posts I'd bet.

Who is Taiwan Jones (start at the 2:45 mark):

I think he blows out on the donkeys this week. 14 carries for 152 yards.

 

[AngryPatriot]

I think he goes 1/142 (first time ever). Kidding aside, he did look great in preseason and could make a productive bye week filler (interesting dynasty stash- but McFadden looks like a long term RB1).

 

[Raiderfan32904]

It's time to bump this thread. Next week it goes to 200 posts I'd bet.Who is Taiwan Jones (start at the 2:45 mark):http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCIN6EWoPBoI think he blows out on the donkeys this week. 14 carries for 152 yards.

 

[Ketamine Dreams]

On board in dynasty. The guy looked explosive in preseason and I'd love to see him get 10+ carries this week. Really like him in dynasty with Bush likely leaving next year and DMC banged up a lot. I'm not sure he'll get the chance this year, but I'm considering picking him up in one redraft league where I have DMC, Bush and a little roster space.

 

[ty247]

Kind of off topic: How does anyone watch Eastern Washington home games? I felt like I was going to have seizures just watching the highlights.

(Red Turf)

 

[duaneok66]

might have a little value behind Bush while DMC is out - otherwise he's bench fodder - can't see him ever being a major factor.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

He looked really good pre-season. I think Bush still gets 90% of the touches though.

 

[flranger]

Ya know, every year towards the end of the season due to talent or just opportunity some RB comes out of nowhere it seems to be a very productive FFL player the final weeks of the season. Clearly McFadden would have to be hurt first....but it's not that big of a stretch.

Guys like Jerome Harrison, MJD his first go round, Blount, Charles, heck countless other guys who just got the opportunity. The kid was the fastest RB in the draft and only second in the vertical jump to Julio Jones. Explosive. 50 NFL scouts/coaches from 27 teams attended his pro day.

So who is the guy that comes out of nowhere this year? I'm not convinced that it is Jones, but if McFadden got hurt (or remains injured) I sure wouldn't bet against him. He's the perfect lottery ticket.

 

[Cleat Spike]

Ya know, every year towards the end of the season due to talent or just opportunity some RB comes out of nowhere it seems to be a very productive FFL player the final weeks of the season. Clearly McFadden would have to be hurt first....but it's not that big of a stretch.Guys like Jerome Harrison, MJD his first go round, Blount, Charles, heck countless other guys who just got the opportunity. The kid was the fastest RB in the draft and only second in the vertical jump to Julio Jones. Explosive. 50 NFL scouts/coaches from 27 teams attended his pro day.So who is the guy that comes out of nowhere this year? I'm not convinced that it is Jones, but if McFadden got hurt (or remains injured) I sure wouldn't bet against him. He's the perfect lottery ticket.

Really thought that was going to be The Talented Mr. Ridley, but I could see someone like Jones, Brinkley, Spiller, McKnight, Hunter, Tanner, Spann? Ogbo's schedule is brutal and Hillis should be back soon, Hardesty to follow.

 

[Cleat Spike]

Looked good in his only preseason action of the year. Worth holding as a handcuff for McFadden in a deep redraft? Or will Bush carry the load if he goes down?

Both McFadden and Bush have trouble staying healthy, but even then not sure how many touches Jones will see since McFadden and Bush are both suited to be 3rd down backs. In re-draft I wouldn't use him as a handcuff because he'll be used sparingly, but dynasty I would lock him up.

I missed Bush as DMCs handcuff in a redraft and I'm running thin at RB late into the season. I'm not going to take that chance that Jones doesn't blow up this week at home vs. Den. Grabbed him quick. He might just make Bush look like the slow FB the Raiders forced him into when he first came out. He might only need 7 touches to do damage too...I think they can spare 7 touches with Palmer back there. Plus crutches as of today, that could be 2-3 more weeks, right at playoff crunch time.

 

[bonesman]

Looked good in his only preseason action of the year. Worth holding as a handcuff for McFadden in a deep redraft? Or will Bush carry the load if he goes down?

Both McFadden and Bush have trouble staying healthy, but even then not sure how many touches Jones will see since McFadden and Bush are both suited to be 3rd down backs. In re-draft I wouldn't use him as a handcuff because he'll be used sparingly, but dynasty I would lock him up.

I missed Bush as DMCs handcuff in a redraft and I'm running thin at RB late into the season. I'm not going to take that chance that Jones doesn't blow up this week at home vs. Den. Grabbed him quick. He might just make Bush look like the slow FB the Raiders forced him into when he first came out. He might only need 7 touches to do damage too...I think they can spare 7 touches with Palmer back there. Plus crutches as of today, that could be 2-3 more weeks, right at playoff crunch time.

Denver is pretty strong against the run... but same here. Dropped Donald Brown for Taiwan.

 

[ourmanflint]

Looked good in his only preseason action of the year. Worth holding as a handcuff for McFadden in a deep redraft? Or will Bush carry the load if he goes down?

Both McFadden and Bush have trouble staying healthy, but even then not sure how many touches Jones will see since McFadden and Bush are both suited to be 3rd down backs. In re-draft I wouldn't use him as a handcuff because he'll be used sparingly, but dynasty I would lock him up.

I missed Bush as DMCs handcuff in a redraft and I'm running thin at RB late into the season. I'm not going to take that chance that Jones doesn't blow up this week at home vs. Den. Grabbed him quick. He might just make Bush look like the slow FB the Raiders forced him into when he first came out. He might only need 7 touches to do damage too...I think they can spare 7 touches with Palmer back there. Plus crutches as of today, that could be 2-3 more weeks, right at playoff crunch time.

Denver is pretty strong against the run... but same here. Dropped Donald Brown for Taiwan.

Below are their allowed rushing totals from each game. The opponents rushing offense rank is noted.These are their best 3 games.

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Miami 13th ranked - 94/0 - they stacked the box against the 27th ranked passing offense. Miami is just bad.

Cincinnati 23rd ranked - 72/0 - stacked the box against the 23rd ranked passing offense and the rookie QB in his 2nd game. He lit them up thru the air. 332/2/0

Tennessee ranked last - 38/0 - Do I need to say anything? Hasselback threw for 295/2/0

These are the rest of their games.

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San Diego 15th ranked - 206/1

Oakland 4th ranked - 190/1

Detroit 20th ranked - 113/1

Green Bay 25th ranked - 111/2

 

[outlaws27]

Our keeper league has it so that every transaction made costs $10. Hopefully this $10 investment turns out to become a lottery ticket come playoff time! Let's goooooooooooo, Taiwan!

 

[djjosee]

I'm looking for a spot RB starter for this week and Taiwan is very tempting (Ware / Ogbonnaya / Grant are the others). Thinking that Taiwan is more the homerun hitter but with lots of risk.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

As others have noted, Taiwan is the perfect lottery ticket. We've all seen his lightning quicks and ability to set up would be tacklers, and then just that fast he's 30 yards downfield. I love this kid. Love the talent. I picked him up in both my leagues for cheap. If you can afford a speculative add, he's worth rostering now. I wouldn't recommend starting him yet, unless you're desperate and don't have more clearly defined options. But who knows? He could have a produce RB3/flex numbers on limited touches, especially if the game is out of hand and the Raiders run the clock in the second half.

 

[Pope Benedict XVI Fan]

Is it definitely confirmed that DMC is out for this week? Or are the guys that are picking him up taking a but of flyer on this one?

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Is it definitely confirmed that DMC is out for this week? Or are the guys that are picking him up taking a but of flyer on this one?

Nothing confirmed yet. But he's in a walking boot. And both SF and Oakland beat writers are unanimous in the opinion that he won't play this weekend. They think DMC will be ready for the week 10 early game on Thursday against San Diego. That'll give him a few extra days, and it may sound arrogant, but they believe they won't need DMC to beat Tebow's Broncos.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

Is it definitely confirmed that DMC is out for this week? Or are the guys that are picking him up taking a but of flyer on this one?

Nothing confirmed yet. But he's in a walking boot. And both SF and Oakland beat writers are unanimous in the opinion that he won't play this weekend. They think DMC will be ready for the week 10 early game on Thursday against San Diego. That'll give him a few extra days, and it may sound arrogant, but they believe they won't need DMC to beat Tebow's Broncos.

I've read this in a few places already this week. I'm wondering if this is a conclusion the media drew themselves or if it is really the feeling in the Oakland Organization.

 

[imagroid]

Is it definitely confirmed that DMC is out for this week? Or are the guys that are picking him up taking a but of flyer on this one?

Nothing confirmed yet. But he's in a walking boot. And both SF and Oakland beat writers are unanimous in the opinion that he won't play this weekend. They think DMC will be ready for the week 10 early game on Thursday against San Diego. That'll give him a few extra days, and it may sound arrogant, but they believe they won't need DMC to beat Tebow's Broncos.

I've read this in a few places already this week. I'm wondering if this is a conclusion the media drew themselves or if it is really the feeling in the Oakland Organization.

You can say this about all info out there that isn't a direct quote. Oakland definitely hasn't confirmed it, if that is what you are asking.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Is it definitely confirmed that DMC is out for this week? Or are the guys that are picking him up taking a but of flyer on this one?

Nothing confirmed yet. But he's in a walking boot. And both SF and Oakland beat writers are unanimous in the opinion that he won't play this weekend. They think DMC will be ready for the week 10 early game on Thursday against San Diego. That'll give him a few extra days, and it may sound arrogant, but they believe they won't need DMC to beat Tebow's Broncos.

I've read this in a few places already this week. I'm wondering if this is a conclusion the media drew themselves or if it is really the feeling in the Oakland Organization.

You can say this about all info out there that isn't a direct quote. Oakland definitely hasn't confirmed it, if that is what you are asking.

If you are expecting Hue Jackson to come out and say that, don't hold your breath. He's probably going to spin a different story about DMC needing more time to heal. And that he has great respect for the division rival, yada, yada....

 

[cvnpoka]

if dmac was healthy he would play. this has nothing to do with how strong they perceive denver.

as for taiwan jones, he is temporarily at bernard scott status. while dmac is out, he will get 4-6 touches, but will be valuable if bush gets hurt and dmac remains so.

 

[JoeyJoeJoeJr]

Per Rotowire, Bush and Jones split first team carries today.

McFadden (foot) was unable to practice Thursday and was still seen in a walking boot, ESPN's Adam Schefter reports.

Recommendation: Friday's practice for the Raiders may be a little more telling, but it's looking more and more like you'll have to make other plans this weekend if you're a McFadden owner. Michael Bush and Taiwan Jones split the first-team carries at Thursday's practice.

(Rotowire.com)

 

[packersfan]

Starting him as my RB3 with Ingram likely out. Let's hope he shows something.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Starting him as my RB3 with Ingram likely out. Let's hope he shows something.

Bloom agrees and has him ranked as an upside flex play this week. Good luck!

 

[qimqam]

Per Rotowire, Bush and Jones split first team carries today.

McFadden (foot) was unable to practice Thursday and was still seen in a walking boot, ESPN's Adam Schefter reports.

Recommendation: Friday's practice for the Raiders may be a little more telling, but it's looking more and more like you'll have to make other plans this weekend if you're a McFadden owner. Michael Bush and Taiwan Jones split the first-team carries at Thursday's practice.

(Rotowire.com)

Wow!!

 

[Kenny Powers]

Who are you guys dropping to pickup Taiwan? Id need to drop Redman for him which Im not too keen on since I have Mendy

 

[JoeyJoeJoeJr]

Who are you guys dropping to pickup Taiwan? Id need to drop Redman for him which Im not too keen on since I have Mendy

I'm considering the just picked up DJ don't call me Danny Ware. Other option would be Ingram, still murky about his heel.

 

[Macdaddy_2004]

Per Rotowire, Bush and Jones split first team carries today.

McFadden (foot) was unable to practice Thursday and was still seen in a walking boot, ESPN's Adam Schefter reports.

Recommendation: Friday's practice for the Raiders may be a little more telling, but it's looking more and more like you'll have to make other plans this weekend if you're a McFadden owner. Michael Bush and Taiwan Jones split the first-team carries at Thursday's practice.

(Rotowire.com)

Wow!!

That is a tell for me with regards to the intention of how it will go on Sunday.........

 

[Macdaddy_2004]

5:15 22 yard TD run

7:25 reversed field for nice pickup

 

[Macdaddy_2004]

He looks like a better version of Chris Johnson.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Per Rotowire, Bush and Jones split first team carries today.

McFadden (foot) was unable to practice Thursday and was still seen in a walking boot, ESPN's Adam Schefter reports.

Recommendation: Friday's practice for the Raiders may be a little more telling, but it's looking more and more like you'll have to make other plans this weekend if you're a McFadden owner. Michael Bush and Taiwan Jones split the first-team carries at Thursday's practice.

(Rotowire.com)

Wow!!

Indeed. Even if the split is 60/40 Bush, that's probably 12 good touches for Jones. I like his upside with that many touches. He can make your day on one play. FBG's may have him undervalued. He looks like he could be a sneaky play.

 

[Vicktimized]

I think he's a high-end desperation play, if such a term makes sense. Them splitting first team reps I think confirms the obvious: a run-heavy team breaking in a new quarterback is going to divvy up a LOT of carries. The potential of it being a blowout helps, but just as much that it's highly unlikely Oakland falls into massive comeback mode at all and abandons ship on the run.

 

[RhymesMcJuice]

:garbagecanicon:

Posts like this are awesome. I love how few people actually realize that the Raiders made huge leaps on offense last season, their first under then OC, now Head Coach, Hue Jackson. McFadden had a career season. The Raiders finished with the #6 scoring offense and the #2 rushing offense in the NFL. Note that they put up those final offensive stats, despite struggling on that side of the ball for much of the early part of last season. They had a fantastic draft last season, and I for one, a person who had been very critical of Raider drafting over the years, am very happy with this year's picks, including Taiwan Jones. Something switched over the last few drafts and suddenly the Raiders are taking almost exclusively high character guys. I don't think this is by accident. Somewhere along the line recently, someone convinced Al that character counts and right now, this is a team on the way up.

Oh well, three words to always remmember: haters gonna hate.

You misunderstood me. I said that because of who's in front of him, thus making his fantasy value garbage for right now. Bush isn't going anywhere and McFadden is coming off a career year.

Oh, I thought it was

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

that's every back in the league, dude.

 

[WildEyedOne]

Who are you guys dropping to pickup Taiwan? Id need to drop Redman for him which Im not too keen on since I have Mendy

gonna drop Helu or Tomlinson in a PPR (even though I have Shonn Green) just for his upside and possible play this week.

 

[kimbosliced]

Who are you guys dropping to pickup Taiwan? Id need to drop Redman for him which Im not too keen on since I have Mendy

gonna drop Helu or Tomlinson in a PPR (even though I have Shonn Green) just for his upside and possible play this week.

Dropping my boy Ogbonnaya

 

[djjosee]

Who are you guys dropping to pickup Taiwan? Id need to drop Redman for him which Im not too keen on since I have Mendy

gonna drop Helu or Tomlinson in a PPR (even though I have Shonn Green) just for his upside and possible play this week.

Dropping my boy Ogbonnaya

Same here ... and after paying some decent FAAB dollars for him (just need to fill this week's bye).

 

[kimbosliced]

Who are you guys dropping to pickup Taiwan? Id need to drop Redman for him which Im not too keen on since I have Mendy

gonna drop Helu or Tomlinson in a PPR (even though I have Shonn Green) just for his upside and possible play this week.

Dropping my boy Ogbonnaya

Same here ... and after paying some decent FAAB dollars for him (just need to fill this week's bye).

I'm a Hillis owner too but I'm gonna chance it. I may have to start either Hillis or Jones if Nicks is out.

 

[munygon2]

Would anyone start this guy over someone like James Starks, Pierre Thomas, or Green-Ellis? Just trying to get a gauge on what kind of value he has this week and over the next few weeks.

 

[packersfan]

Would anyone start this guy over someone like James Starks, Pierre Thomas, or Green-Ellis? Just trying to get a gauge on what kind of value he has this week and over the next few weeks.

No to Thomas and Green-Ellis. Matchup is great for Law Firm and Thomas is a good RB2 with Ingram likely out. I think Starks and Jones are on the same tier, Starks being the safer play.

 

[Islanders rule]

Who are you guys dropping to pickup Taiwan? Id need to drop Redman for him which Im not too keen on since I have Mendy

I'm considering the just picked up DJ don't call me Danny Ware. Other option would be Ingram, still murky about his heel.

Ingram is worthless at least until week 12 after their bye.

 

[Banger]

Splitting 1st team carries is a nice sign and may be enough to get him into a flex spot. He's got a good opponent and what it will come down to is effectiveness during the game. If Jones explodes over his first few carries the split may be 65-35. This stuff isn't scripted per se and it depends on the flow of the game, the score and who is more effective.

This is similar to the Battle thread a couple weeks back and I said basically the same thing as people were endelessly speculating on the split and how many touches he'd get. We can guess all we want but it's the production on the field that will determine how many touches he gets. I like his chances to have a decent day.

 

[DocHolliday]

I may drop J Stewart for Jones just so I have 2 RBs playing this week. ADP and Stewart are on a bye. McFadden is likely not playing. Beanie Wells is all I have at RB.

I like Stewart for the rest of the season but I cannot afford 0 points from McFadden if he does not play.

Today's practice report out of Oakland will hopefully shed some light on the status of McFadden's foot and Jones's role. If McFadden is going to miss a few more weeks, my decision is easier as it should be for anyone else considering picking up Jones.

 

[Dought Man]

This is the weekend where Taiwan takes the #2 RB spot permanently from Bush. He is the Bradshaw, Bush is the Jacobs.

 

[Joseph]

This is the weekend where Taiwan takes the #2 RB spot permanently from Bush. He is the Bradshaw, Bush is the Jacobs.

What does that make McFadden?

 

[cvnpoka]

This is the weekend where Taiwan takes the #2 RB spot permanently from Bush. He is the Bradshaw, Bush is the Jacobs.

What does that make McFadden?

tiki?