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Tampa at New England (1 Viewer)

Why is Mac’s face made of silly putty? Every time he takes off his helmet his face & head are all red & dented. Buy the kid a helmet that fits FFS. 

 
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Head up Mac Jones.....no reason to be ashamed of this one. 

Kid looked good

 
A couple of inches to the right, you’d be calling him a genius.  He ha the distance and just narrowly missed…

he probably had a better chance to make it than they had to convert…

 
Sam Quentin said:
A couple of inches to the right, you’d be calling him a genius.  He ha the distance and just narrowly missed…

he probably had a better chance to make it than they had to convert…
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Mac Jones had 18 in a row in this game. They needed 3-4 yards, a minute & a TO? 

Yeah, you gotta shorten that in the rain. Trying the FG was crazy. 

 
Sam Quentin said:
A couple of inches to the right, you’d be calling him a genius.  He ha the distance and just narrowly missed…

he probably had a better chance to make it than they had to convert…
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Meh. Brady would have had a minute left. Chances were pretty good he would get them a FG. 

 
If he makes that FG, Brady gets the ball back with 50 seconds and 2 timeouts....Bucs will be in FG range with 35 seconds on the clock.

 
Sam Quentin said:
A couple of inches to the right, you’d be calling him a genius.  He ha the distance and just narrowly missed…

he probably had a better chance to make it than they had to convert…
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Even if he makes it it's a terrible decision.  Too much time left.  It would be one thing if it was a gimme FG with that much time left, or a difficult FG with 5 seconds left.  But you don't kick a very difficult FG that probably won't even win you the game if you make it.

 
Sam Quentin said:
A couple of inches to the right, you’d be calling him a genius.  He ha the distance and just narrowly missed…

he probably had a better chance to make it than they had to convert…
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nope.....was a questionable decision. Brady would have had a minute, a couple timeouts needing just a FG. Even if you make it (which was, AT BEST 50-50), good chance Tom terrific converts for 3 anyway.

Hardly the worst call of the year, but don't like it

 
Was the call to kick it to protect Mac? He doesn't convert and suddenly he's the dog instead of a hero for going toe-to-toe with the goat. BB is playing the long game here.

 
RenegadeRoy said:
Was the call to kick it to protect Mac? He doesn't convert and suddenly he's the dog instead of a hero for going toe-to-toe with the goat. BB is playing the long game here.
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If anything I would think the decision to kick is worse on a young QB.  Showing him that you don't have confidence in him picking up 3 yards and would rather rely on trying to make a very difficult field goal AND stopping Brady from setting up a FG of his own than count on Jones to pick up 3 yards.

 
fred_1_15301 said:
I'm starting to think that Brady and Belichick didn't get along that well.
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There’s already people trying to read into BB’s brief interaction with Tom after the game as evidence they don’t get along. But before the game, TB and BB set up a meeting for after the game. Bill met with Tom for almost 25 minutes after the game was over in the Tampa locker room. 

 
Anarchy99 said:
There’s already people trying to read into BB’s brief interaction with Tom after the game as evidence they don’t get along. But before the game, TB and BB set up a meeting for after the game. Bill met with Tom for almost 25 minutes after the game was over in the Tampa locker room. 
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How dare you add facts to the drama-seeking narrative?

 
Brady's kicker makes a long FG at the end, Brady's opponent's kicker misses a long FG at the end. 

That might have been the most Tom Brady victory ever. :lol:  

 
Ghost Rider said:
Brady's kicker makes a long FG at the end, Brady's opponent's kicker misses a long FG at the end. 

That might have been the most Tom Brady victory ever. :lol:  
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There have been some media folks that have pointed out that Brady has been pretty fortunate over the years when games come down to one or two big plays. Had several of them gone the other way, Brady might be viewed in a different light. IMO, we can only discuss what actually happened, not what could have happened. No matter how you slice it, Brady almost always has put his team in position to win, and most of those times he did enough to win those games. Being lucky bid part of being good. 

 
Anarchy99 said:
There’s already people trying to read into BB’s brief interaction with Tom after the game as evidence they don’t get along. But before the game, TB and BB set up a meeting for after the game. Bill met with Tom for almost 25 minutes after the game was over in the Tampa locker room. 
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Nobody needed a post game meeting to determine that. There are 3 books out currently that detail the relationship.

They got along enough. 

I thing Gurerrero nailed it. In the end, constantly ragging on your Hall of Fame QB as if he were Johnny Foxboro in high school just wears thin. :shrug:  

More here https://forums.footballguys.com/topic/800707-tom-brady-and-new-england-split/

 
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Joe Bryant said:
Nobody needed a post game meeting to determine that. There are 3 books out currently that detail the relationship.

They got along enough. 

I thing Gurerrero nailed it. In the end, constantly ragging on your Hall of Fame QB as if he were Johnny Foxboro in high school just wears thin. :shrug:  

That plus Brady looking around the league at teams realizing the importance of giving the most important player on the team pieces to work with while your front office keeps handing you deck furniture to throw to. 

He made a business decision. 
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BB treated Brady like everyone else on the team. That’s how Bill coaches. You screw up, you are going to hear about in front of the team. Sure, maybe that’s Uber old school, but Bill has been coaching for 45 years. 

As for the game Guerrero was referring to, Brady had just completed 45% of his passes, made some terrible decisions, and threw two picks, and NE barely beat the Texans in a home playoff game when the defense forced some turnovers. Bill ripped him a new one and they went on to win the SB. 

Here in NE, people were relentless that Brady and Guerrero should have kept quiet about that story. The rationale being that what made the team so good was they were a team of equals. Talk radio was filled with calls saying Brady needed thicker skin and it was professional football, not a rec team where everyone gets a participation trophy. 

BB got a ton out of Brady, and many people think that is because he didn’t give him praise and adulation very often. That motivated Brady to try harder the following week. 

People can decide for themselves if that is the right or the wrong way to coach, but there have been plenty of QB that were great players that got a lot of special treatment and didn’t win very often. 

So for Guerrero to suggest that coaching style doesn’t work, it worked 6 times in NE and almost worked 3 other times. 

 
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Anarchy99 said:
BB treated Brady like everyone else on the team. That’s how Bill coaches. You screw up, you are going to hear about in front of the team. Sure, maybe that’s Uber old school, but Bill has been coaching for 45 years. 

As for the game Guerrero was referring to, Brady had just completed 45% of his passes, made some terrible decisions, and threw two picks, and NE barely beat the Texans in a home playoff game when the defense forced some turnovers. Bill ripped him a new one and they went on to win the SB. 

Here in NE, people were relentless that Brady and Guerrero should have kept quiet about that story. The rationale being that what made the team so good was they were a team of equals. Talk radio was filled Will calls saying Brady needed thicker skin and it was professional football, not a rec team where everyone gets a participation trophy. 

BB got a ton out of Brady, and many people think that is because he didn’t give him praise and adulation very often. That motivated Brady to try harder the following week. 

People can decide for themselves if that is the right or the wrong way to coach, but there have been plenty of QB that were great players that got a lot of special treatment and didn’t win very often. 

So for Guerrero to suggest that coaching style doesn’t work, it worked 6 times in NE and almost worked 3 other times. 
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I’m sure that approach is right when Brady was establishing himself and even after the first 3 titles but at some point he became one of and then the best player in NFL history and when that happens it just stupid to try and pretend he’s just one of 53 or whatever. He’s just not. You have to adjust how you treat certain people, that’s part of effective management too. 
 

I don’t know enough about the inner dynamics to know what really happened, just as a Bucs fan I’m glad that it did.

 
Joe Bryant said:
Nobody needed a post game meeting to determine that. There are 3 books out currently that detail the relationship.

They got along enough. 

I thing Gurerrero nailed it. In the end, constantly ragging on your Hall of Fame QB as if he were Johnny Foxboro in high school just wears thin. :shrug:  

More here https://forums.footballguys.com/topic/800707-tom-brady-and-new-england-split/
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I'm sure you're right and it did wear thin.

People rail against David Lee Roth for being a big ego and leaving Van Halen, but that's not to say that relationships ending don't have equal culpability on both sides.

Tom pulled off a leverage move getting Jimmy G shipped out, and a second leverage move moving on to Tampa.  These are not "evil actions", nor is BB's well known tendency to move on from players when it suits him.  It is what it is.

My only point of contention is Guererro.  Before hitching his wagon to TB12, this snake oil salesman got into legal trouble trying to tout supplements and diet tricks as a cureall for cancer.  His points may be perfectly valid but its hard to take stock in anything he has to say about anything.  As a casual Brady fan, I can't decide whether his chummy relationship with Guererro or Trump is more problematic.

 
Anarchy99 said:
BB treated Brady like everyone else on the team. That’s how Bill coaches. You screw up, you are going to hear about in front of the team. Sure, maybe that’s Uber old school, but Bill has been coaching for 45 years. 

As for the game Guerrero was referring to, Brady had just completed 45% of his passes, made some terrible decisions, and threw two picks, and NE barely beat the Texans in a home playoff game when the defense forced some turnovers. Bill ripped him a new one and they went on to win the SB. 

Here in NE, people were relentless that Brady and Guerrero should have kept quiet about that story. The rationale being that what made the team so good was they were a team of equals. Talk radio was filled Will calls saying Brady needed thicker skin and it was professional football, not a rec team where everyone gets a participation trophy. 

BB got a ton out of Brady, and many people think that is because he didn’t give him praise and adulation very often. That motivated Brady to try harder the following week. 

People can decide for themselves if that is the right or the wrong way to coach, but there have been plenty of QB that were great players that got a lot of special treatment and didn’t win very often. 

So for Guerrero to suggest that coaching style doesn’t work, it worked 6 times in NE and almost worked 3 other times. 
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I don't think Guerrero, or anyone, is suggesting the coaching didn't work. They were pretty successful. ;)  

I'm saying that relentless alpha tough guy embarrass your guy in front of everyone tends to not work after a while. :shrug:  

 
Capella said:
I’m sure that approach is right when Brady was establishing himself and even after the first 3 titles but at some point he became one of and then the best player in NFL history and when that happens it just stupid to try and pretend he’s just one of 53 or whatever. He’s just not. You have to adjust how you treat certain people, that’s part of effective management too. 
 

I don’t know enough about the inner dynamics to know what really happened, just as a Bucs fan I’m glad that it did.
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We could review about 1,000 things that happened that led to Brady leaving. Two important ones were Guerrero and optional team activities. 

BB doesn’t generally care if players have a second source for therapy, training, etc. but Brady started to build his TB12 brand with Guerrero and demanded he get an office IN the stadium. At one point, more than have the team was going to see Guerrero. The problem became he was clearly undermining the coaching staff. Players were skipping team sessions and going to Guerrero instead. He was actively telling players NOT to do what the team’s training, strength, and conditioning staff were telling them. 

Over the last few years, Brady wore tired to how things were going and opted out for pretty much any preseason optional activities. Tom was the first one to show up every preseason and suddenly became a world traveler and posted picks from family trips to China and India. He didn’t want to work with young players and turned a blind eye to guys like N’Keal Harry. 

Bottom line, the reason TB isn’t there is BB thought he was done. Brady and the offense looked terrible down the stretch in 2019 (not that he had much to work with). By then, he was an unhappy camper and wanted out. Bill clearly called that one wrong, as he felt 40 year old QB were liabilities. 

 
Anarchy99 said:
We could review about 1,000 things that happened that led to Brady leaving. Two important ones were Guerrero and optional team activities. 

BB doesn’t generally care if players have a second source for therapy, training, etc. but Brady started to build his TB12 brand with Guerrero and demanded he get an office IN the stadium. At one point, more than have the team was going to see Guerrero. The problem became he was clearly undermining the coaching staff. Players were skipping team sessions and going to Guerrero instead. He was actively telling players NOT to do what the team’s training, strength, and conditioning staff were telling them. 

Over the last few years, Brady wore tired to how things were going and opted out for pretty much any preseason optional activities. Tom was the first one to show up every preseason and suddenly became a world traveler and posted picks from family trips to China and India. He didn’t want to work with young players and turned a blind eye to guys like N’Keal Harry. 

Bottom line, the reason TB isn’t there is BB thought he was done. Brady and the offense looked terrible down the stretch in 2019 (not that he had much to work with). By then, he was an unhappy camper and wanted out. Bill clearly called that one wrong, as he felt 40 year old QB were liabilities. 
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for whatever it’s worth, the Bucs have welcomed Guerrero into their facility with open arms, and send players to the TB12 facility that’s up the street practically every day. Local paper had a big write-up on the partnership the other day. 

 
SeniorVBDStudent said:
I wish nothing but the best for Tom.  You might find the attached an interesting read.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Guerrero_(alternative_medicine)
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Doesn’t matter to me at all, I’m not buying any of that stuff. If it works for Brady and Evans and Gronk and it works for the Bucs that’s all I care about.
 

If the team believed a snake oil salesman pulling up in an 1870s wagon would help the team, then go drink the snake oil. What do I care. 

 
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