Tarkenton on Favre (2 Viewers)

[smackdaddies]

From a radio interview, reported in print at the Journal Sentinel

Former Minnesota Vikings quarterback Fran Tarkenton, who has taken some shots at Vikings quarterback Brett Favre in the past, took a few more today during an interview with radio station 97.5 The Fanatic in Philadelphia.

Tarkenton was asked to assess the Vikings' performance in the NFC title game against New Orleans.

“I think the Vikings were clearly the best team,” Tarkenton said. “They held this New Orleans offense to under 300 yards. They made Drew Brees look ordinary. He didn’t even throw for 200 yards. The guys have been throwing for 400, 500 yards. They were the better team. Their offense turned the ball over five times, the Viking offense. But still if (Favre) didn’t make that stupid play at the end of the game they would have won the game. Now you are in Philadelphia, remember a few years ago when Green Bay played you guys? . . . I mean he throws the ball straight up in the air, free falls. Do you remember that? I have never seen any quarterback much less, well he is going to be a Hall of Fame quarterback, make plays like that at a critical time. He has done the same thing in the Giants’ game (2007 season). He plays at home, has the better team and plays against Eli (Manning). He was a young kid right? And he throws the pick…. and then he does what he did the other night which was just shameful because great quarterbacks, and he is a great quarterback, they don’t do that. You don’t see Peyton Manning do that.”

Tarkenton said he is not down on Favre’s abilities.

“No, I think he has been a great, great player,” Tarkenton said. “I am not a great fan of Brett Favre’s because he goes out and all I heard them talk about is Brett Favre and he is tough, he is getting hit. You know Peyton Manning gets hit. I have played with a torn ACL. Donovan McNabb gets hit. We all get hit but he is flapping around and jumping around and he is getting hit and he talks in the soft voice. I would rather it be about the team and not Brett Favre. I get the idea that it is more about Brett Favre than the team. A quarterback is to make his teammates better but he is not about that. Now as a player, he has been a great player. No question about it. Also great players, my gosh, I have never seen great quarterbacks make that many bad plays in a critical moment in a playoff game.”

Tarkenton was asked about Favre’s career passing yards and touchdown records.

“He has done great and Peyton Manning is going to go by his records because you play 16 games today,” Tarkenton said. “It is a quarterbacks league, they changed the rules in 1979 where you couldn’t hit the receiver past five yards. That changed the whole offense. Now most anybody can throw for 300 yards. Back in our day if you threw for 300 yards that was a huge thing. Now these records are going to continually be broken because of the nature of the game and Peyton will beat Favre. Favre has been a great, great player. No question about it. One of the greats of all-time. I am just not a great Brett Favre fan.”

 

[kdt]

i see some bias in his comments obviously. don't see any reason to think favre is playing only for himself and not to help his team win.

I get the idea that it is more about Brett Favre than the team. A quarterback is to make his teammates better but he is not about that. Now as a player, he has been a great player. No question about it. Also great players, my gosh, I have never seen great quarterbacks make that many bad plays in a critical moment in a playoff game.”

 

[tbglog]

WHy is fran talking? People in MN dont even care what this dolt has to say. So i would assume if Minneasotians dont care neither would the rest of the country. Go do some from ####### infomercial you hasbeen.

 

[grapeape]

cocaine is a hell of a drug Fran

 

[kdt]

he is a great quarterback and has an opinion on the game, just like you and i, just not the great quarterback part

 

[Sabertooth]

From a radio interview, reported in print at the Journal Sentinel

Former Minnesota Vikings quarterback Fran Tarkenton, who has taken some shots at Vikings quarterback Brett Favre in the past, took a few more today during an interview with radio station 97.5 The Fanatic in Philadelphia.

Tarkenton was asked to assess the Vikings' performance in the NFC title game against New Orleans.

“I think the Vikings were clearly the best team,” Tarkenton said. “They held this New Orleans offense to under 300 yards. They made Drew Brees look ordinary. He didn’t even throw for 200 yards. The guys have been throwing for 400, 500 yards. They were the better team. Their offense turned the ball over five times, the Viking offense. But still if (Favre) didn’t make that stupid play at the end of the game they would have won the game. Now you are in Philadelphia, remember a few years ago when Green Bay played you guys? . . . I mean he throws the ball straight up in the air, free falls. Do you remember that? I have never seen any quarterback much less, well he is going to be a Hall of Fame quarterback, make plays like that at a critical time. He has done the same thing in the Giants’ game (2007 season). He plays at home, has the better team and plays against Eli (Manning). He was a young kid right? And he throws the pick…. and then he does what he did the other night which was just shameful because great quarterbacks, and he is a great quarterback, they don’t do that. You don’t see Peyton Manning do that.”

Tarkenton said he is not down on Favre’s abilities.

“No, I think he has been a great, great player,” Tarkenton said. “I am not a great fan of Brett Favre’s because he goes out and all I heard them talk about is Brett Favre and he is tough, he is getting hit. You know Peyton Manning gets hit. I have played with a torn ACL. Donovan McNabb gets hit. We all get hit but he is flapping around and jumping around and he is getting hit and he talks in the soft voice. I would rather it be about the team and not Brett Favre. I get the idea that it is more about Brett Favre than the team. A quarterback is to make his teammates better but he is not about that. Now as a player, he has been a great player. No question about it. Also great players, my gosh, I have never seen great quarterbacks make that many bad plays in a critical moment in a playoff game.”

Tarkenton was asked about Favre’s career passing yards and touchdown records.

“He has done great and Peyton Manning is going to go by his records because you play 16 games today,” Tarkenton said. “It is a quarterbacks league, they changed the rules in 1979 where you couldn’t hit the receiver past five yards. That changed the whole offense. Now most anybody can throw for 300 yards. Back in our day if you threw for 300 yards that was a huge thing. Now these records are going to continually be broken because of the nature of the game and Peyton will beat Favre. Favre has been a great, great player. No question about it. One of the greats of all-time. I am just not a great Brett Favre fan.”

Pretty spot on. Once Brett's old man passed away you can see where it became more and more about him and less and less about the team. I think his dad, being his coach and just a coach in general kept Brett grounded and focused on things like teamwork. Once he was gone Brett began to buy into the hype.

 

[Tom Servo]

Sounds like Fran is looking to take Bob Feller's place as the most bitter former athlete in sports.

 

[sho nuff]

Some of his points have merit...but seems Fran got pretty quiet during the season after his remarks when Favre first got there.

Has he been waiting for something to blame on Favre?

Seems like it.

 

[Captain Placeholder]

Sounds like Fran is looking to take Bob Feller's place as the most bitter former athlete in sports.

Fran has had a good career and a good life. I fail to see where his comments should be interpreted as bitter rather than simply critical. Is Favre above reproach? Is Fran making up these events that he's criticizing?

 

[kdt]

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/th...ost-to-saints/1

"out of line" for joining the vikings, so a little biased

 

[daveR]

The interception was a situation where the qb had to take a chance to make a play in order to win. Favre understands this concept & is not afraid to take a shot when it is needed.

 

[domvin]

Sounds like a jealous old man

That's Incredible!!!

 

[JetMaxx]

He may be biased but it's tough to dispute most of what he says. Especially the part about the correlation with the previous playoff games. I was at the Eagles game that he referred to and that pass was one of the worst throws I've ever seen. Favre's repeated that twice in recent years.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

He may be biased but it's tough to dispute most of what he says. Especially the part about the correlation with the previous playoff games. I was at the Eagles game that he referred to and that pass was one of the worst throws I've ever seen. Favre's repeated that twice in recent years.

:( Favre's last 3 (three) seasons have ended with a pick.

 

[Da Guru]

Sounds like a jealous old manThat's Incredible!!!

Fran may be jealous as you say but Farves MO in big games hase been the boneheaded INT.

 

[sho nuff]

The interception was a situation where the qb had to take a chance to make a play in order to win. Favre understands this concept & is not afraid to take a shot when it is needed.

Why is it that Favre can admit he should have run and not thrown that pass...but others keep trying to make excuses for a bad decision?

 

[SayWhat?]

I should lead with a disclaimer. I'm from MN and a huge Vikings fan. With that said, I've never been able to stand Favre, as I've always found him to be a bit of a glory hound with that of being overdramatic on the field, the one yard TD passes on 1st and goal to pad the stats and just generally being the face of the Packers. He's obviously enhanced that glory hound image in my mind, and many others now, with his indecisiveness over the past few years regarding returning/retiring. That being said, he made the Vikings infinitely better this year and far more enjoyable to watch. Besides a couple of miscues in the Pitt game and an enormously boneheaded decision at the end of the biggest game of the season against the Saints, Favre was incredible. But I'm still not a fan.

But you know what? Tarkenton is just a jealous doucher. It was painfully obvious that he was jealous and/or bitter before the year started when he went off about Favre to the media just before or after (can't recall) Favre signed with the Vikings. And then, as Favre silenced any and all doubters including myself, Fran simply went into hibernation because he had to have realized how much more foolish his preseason comments were looking week after week. So now that Favre finally screwed up with no further chance for redemption, he surfaces again to spout off? Pathetic. As much as I dislike Favre, Fran's earned my disdain on a whole new level with this nonsense. And how about Fran now criticizing Favre's ability to perform in the clutch? The same Favre that actually won a Super Bowl. Hysterical when you really think about it. Hey Fran, I've got a grand idea...think before you speak from now on. It might save you some face. Here's your stat lines from the three Super Bowl appearances where you led your team to three decisive losses and an average of 9 points per game:

Super Bowl VIII - Dolphins 24, Minnesota 7

18/28, 182 yards, 0 TD, 1 Int, 4-17 rushing, 1 TD

Super Bowl IX - Pittsburg 16, Minnesota 6

11/26, 102 yards, 0 TD, 3 Int, 1-0 rushing, 0 TD

Super Bowl XI - Oakland 32, Minnesota 14

17/35, 205 yards, 1 TD, 2 Int, 0-0 rushing, 0 TD

Collectively - Opponents 72, Minnesota 27

46/89 (51.7%), 489 yards (5.5ypa), 1 TD, 6 Int, 5-17 rushing, 1 TD

I'm sorry, but this clown really rubs me the wrong way. Please, for the love of God just shut your jealous hole already.

 

[mozzy84]

The interception was a situation where the qb had to take a chance to make a play in order to win. Favre understands this concept & is not afraid to take a shot when it is needed.

it was a terrible pass and decision, come on...

 

[CalBear]

Favre has a long way to go to match Tarkenton's last season as a Viking, which still ranks #4 all time in number of interceptions (32).

 

[Captain Placeholder]

The interception was a situation where the qb had to take a chance to make a play in order to win. Favre understands this concept & is not afraid to take a shot when it is needed.

Nope. He didn't have to "take a chance", unless you're thinking that every play is one where the team is "taking a chance". His job was to 1) protect the football, and 2) put the team in position to have its best chance to win under the circumstances, namely to reasonably enable a FG by getting as many yards as possible subject to consideration #1. Scrambling would have met both requirements, and there was no good second alternative.

Favre failed, and he has a pattern of failing in similar fashion and in similar circumstances.

 

[Sabertooth]

The interception was a situation where the qb had to take a chance to make a play in order to win. Favre understands this concept & is not afraid to take a shot when it is needed.

Favre does not understand though that he isn't the only player on the team that should be allowed to make a play. He simply took the wrong shot here and in doing so prevented Ryan Longwell, his longtime teammate from having a chance to win the game for them.He blew it, just like the last two playoff runs he had in Green Bay. Doesn't mean he isn't a hall of famer. But he hasn't been able to get it done despite being so close over and over again.

 

[Sabertooth]

He may be biased but it's tough to dispute most of what he says. Especially the part about the correlation with the previous playoff games. I was at the Eagles game that he referred to and that pass was one of the worst throws I've ever seen. Favre's repeated that twice in recent years.

Favre's last 3 (three) seasons have ended with a pick.

Favre ended his time with the Falcons, Packers, and Jets with a pick. Looks like probably the Vikings too.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

He may be biased but it's tough to dispute most of what he says. Especially the part about the correlation with the previous playoff games. I was at the Eagles game that he referred to and that pass was one of the worst throws I've ever seen. Favre's repeated that twice in recent years.

Favre's last 3 (three) seasons have ended with a pick.

Favre ended his time with the Falcons, Packers, and Jets with a pick. Looks like probably the Vikings too.

I didn't know about the Falcons, thanks for the info.

 

[FlapJacks]

Even if he scrambles for a 10 yard gain it's still 46 yarder -- no chip shot by any means. When you gactor in that on his gimpy anke, I'm guessing he only makes it back to the LOS plus about 6-7 yards. That leaves you with a 50 yarder for the win. He thought he saw the guy open downfield, and so he took a shot.

 

[daveR]

The interception was a situation where the qb had to take a chance to make a play in order to win. Favre understands this concept & is not afraid to take a shot when it is needed.

Nope. He didn't have to "take a chance", unless you're thinking that every play is one where the team is "taking a chance". His job was to 1) protect the football, and 2) put the team in position to have its best chance to win under the circumstances, namely to reasonably enable a FG by getting as many yards as possible subject to consideration #1. Scrambling would have met both requirements, and there was no good second alternative.

Favre failed, and he has a pattern of failing in similar fashion and in similar circumstances.

I wholly disagree. They needed yardage to make the FG attemptable even. He took a shot at that yardage even though the odds were poor. Though haters will always disagree, Favre didn't cost them the game. The fumbles did.

ETA: Failing in this way, means having the cajones to try to win instead of "managing" your team to defeat. These things are what greatness is born of!

 

[Sabertooth]

Even if he scrambles for a 10 yard gain it's still 46 yarder -- no chip shot by any means. When you gactor in that on his gimpy anke, I'm guessing he only makes it back to the LOS plus about 6-7 yards. That leaves you with a 50 yarder for the win. He thought he saw the guy open downfield, and so he took a shot.

Longwell was 10 for 11 on attempts over 40 this season, and 2-2 over 50. So pretty much money in the bag there. Especially at home in a dome.

 

[Sabertooth]

The interception was a situation where the qb had to take a chance to make a play in order to win. Favre understands this concept & is not afraid to take a shot when it is needed.

Nope. He didn't have to "take a chance", unless you're thinking that every play is one where the team is "taking a chance". His job was to 1) protect the football, and 2) put the team in position to have its best chance to win under the circumstances, namely to reasonably enable a FG by getting as many yards as possible subject to consideration #1. Scrambling would have met both requirements, and there was no good second alternative.

Favre failed, and he has a pattern of failing in similar fashion and in similar circumstances.

I wholly disagree. They needed yardage to make the FG attemptable even. He took a shot at that yardage even though the odds were poor. Though haters will always disagree, Favre didn't cost them the game. The fumbles did.

ETA: Failing in this way, means having the cajones to try to win instead of "managing" your team to defeat. These things are what greatness is born of!

Where were they on the field at the start of the play where Favre whipped the ill-advised pass? 35ish?eta: on the scramble Favre threw from the 40, with no player within 5 yards. He easily pulls the ball down and gets the 35. Probably more like the 34 or 33.

 

[dagwood]

The interception was a situation where the qb had to take a chance to make a play in order to win. Favre understands this concept & is not afraid to take a shot when it is needed.

Nope. He didn't have to "take a chance", unless you're thinking that every play is one where the team is "taking a chance". His job was to 1) protect the football, and 2) put the team in position to have its best chance to win under the circumstances, namely to reasonably enable a FG by getting as many yards as possible subject to consideration #1. Scrambling would have met both requirements, and there was no good second alternative.

Favre failed, and he has a pattern of failing in similar fashion and in similar circumstances.

Wonder if you all would be singing a different tune if he had completed the pass.....and the Vikings had kicked a FG and won 31-28....and were now getting ready to play the Colts in the Super Bowl......things that may you go hmmmmm....

 

[Captain Placeholder]

The interception was a situation where the qb had to take a chance to make a play in order to win. Favre understands this concept & is not afraid to take a shot when it is needed.

Nope. He didn't have to "take a chance", unless you're thinking that every play is one where the team is "taking a chance". His job was to 1) protect the football, and 2) put the team in position to have its best chance to win under the circumstances, namely to reasonably enable a FG by getting as many yards as possible subject to consideration #1. Scrambling would have met both requirements, and there was no good second alternative.

Favre failed, and he has a pattern of failing in similar fashion and in similar circumstances.

I wholly disagree. They needed yardage to make the FG attemptable even. He took a shot at that yardage even though the odds were poor. Though haters will always disagree, Favre didn't cost them the game. The fumbles did.

ETA: Failing in this way, means having the cajones to try to win instead of "managing" your team to defeat. These things are what greatness is born of!

You got more strawmen than the Wizard of Oz.Yes, overall the fumbles were costly and helped cost the Vikings the game. Those fumbles, however, were water over the dam at that point in the game however. Favre could have put his team in position to win. He failed.

We agree that they wanted or even needed extra yardage for the FG, but no so much so that a pass was needed, especially with the running lanes available to him.

 

[Bull Dozier]

Some of his points have merit...but seems Fran got pretty quiet during the season after his remarks when Favre first got there.Has he been waiting for something to blame on Favre?Seems like it.

Sure seems like it. I don't know if Fran is resentful that another person passed him in the record books, or if there's something about Favre that Fran thinks is undeserving, but he's clearly got an axe to grind here. He instantly brings up the fact that Favre's records are just going to be passed by Manning anyway? Nice respect.

 

[sho nuff]

Even if he scrambles for a 10 yard gain it's still 46 yarder -- no chip shot by any means. When you gactor in that on his gimpy anke, I'm guessing he only makes it back to the LOS plus about 6-7 yards. That leaves you with a 50 yarder for the win. He thought he saw the guy open downfield, and so he took a shot.

Ok...this has been done in several threads.But a 46 yarder for a kicker who is career 74% from 40-49 yards. And in a dome. While not a chip shot...give me a 74% kicker at that distance vs. oh, I don't know...turning the ball over.As for the ankle...looked fine as he rolled out.

 

[sho nuff]

The interception was a situation where the qb had to take a chance to make a play in order to win. Favre understands this concept & is not afraid to take a shot when it is needed.

Nope. He didn't have to "take a chance", unless you're thinking that every play is one where the team is "taking a chance". His job was to 1) protect the football, and 2) put the team in position to have its best chance to win under the circumstances, namely to reasonably enable a FG by getting as many yards as possible subject to consideration #1. Scrambling would have met both requirements, and there was no good second alternative.

Favre failed, and he has a pattern of failing in similar fashion and in similar circumstances.

I wholly disagree. They needed yardage to make the FG attemptable even. He took a shot at that yardage even though the odds were poor. Though haters will always disagree, Favre didn't cost them the game. The fumbles did.

ETA: Failing in this way, means having the cajones to try to win instead of "managing" your team to defeat. These things are what greatness is born of!

Love the hater comment too.First off...I don't see people in this thread saying he cost them the game.

But its ok to admit the pass and decision was bad.

But the fumbles alone did not do it either. Favre's 2 INTs played into it.

 

[Bull Dozier]

The interception was a situation where the qb had to take a chance to make a play in order to win. Favre understands this concept & is not afraid to take a shot when it is needed.

Nope. He didn't have to "take a chance", unless you're thinking that every play is one where the team is "taking a chance". His job was to 1) protect the football, and 2) put the team in position to have its best chance to win under the circumstances, namely to reasonably enable a FG by getting as many yards as possible subject to consideration #1. Scrambling would have met both requirements, and there was no good second alternative.

Favre failed, and he has a pattern of failing in similar fashion and in similar circumstances.

I wholly disagree. They needed yardage to make the FG attemptable even. He took a shot at that yardage even though the odds were poor. Though haters will always disagree, Favre didn't cost them the game. The fumbles did.

ETA: Failing in this way, means having the cajones to try to win instead of "managing" your team to defeat. These things are what greatness is born of!

Love the hater comment too.First off...I don't see people in this thread saying he cost them the game.

But its ok to admit the pass and decision was bad.

But the fumbles alone did not do it either. Favre's 2 INTs played into it.

Fran did.

 

[phthalatemagic]

The interception was a situation where the qb had to take a chance to make a play in order to win. Favre understands this concept & is not afraid to take a shot when it is needed.

Nope. He didn't have to "take a chance", unless you're thinking that every play is one where the team is "taking a chance". His job was to 1) protect the football, and 2) put the team in position to have its best chance to win under the circumstances, namely to reasonably enable a FG by getting as many yards as possible subject to consideration #1. Scrambling would have met both requirements, and there was no good second alternative.

Favre failed, and he has a pattern of failing in similar fashion and in similar circumstances.

I wholly disagree. They needed yardage to make the FG attemptable even. He took a shot at that yardage even though the odds were poor. Though haters will always disagree, Favre didn't cost them the game. The fumbles did.

ETA: Failing in this way, means having the cajones to try to win instead of "managing" your team to defeat. These things are what greatness is born of!

You got more strawmen than the Wizard of Oz.Yes, overall the fumbles were costly and helped cost the Vikings the game. Those fumbles, however, were water over the dam at that point in the game however. Favre could have put his team in position to win. He failed.

We agree that they wanted or even needed extra yardage for the FG, but no so much so that a pass was needed, especially with the running lanes available to him.

All the prior events of the game lead up to that point where Farve threw the interception. A big part of why many of us watch football is to see how people perform in moments of truth. Tarkenton and many others have pointed out, that in those moments of truth - moments to win a playoff game and Farve chokes. Has Farve ever lead a last minute drive in the playoffs? How many? I don't know.

I think Tarkenton knows Farve isn't a team player and plays for stats now (and has been for a long time), which is a bitter pill for Farve since Manning is going to exceed all of his good statistics in the end. I don't think Manning will ever pass Farve on the all time interception list, so that record is safe.

 

[domvin]

Sounds like a jealous old man

That's Incredible!!!

Fran may be jealous as you say but Farves MO in big games hase been the boneheaded INT.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fran_Tarkenton.and yes, that is obvious on favre

 

[Hunterbeer]

The interception was a situation where the qb had to take a chance to make a play in order to win. Favre understands this concept & is not afraid to take a shot when it is needed.

Nope. He didn't have to "take a chance", unless you're thinking that every play is one where the team is "taking a chance". His job was to 1) protect the football, and 2) put the team in position to have its best chance to win under the circumstances, namely to reasonably enable a FG by getting as many yards as possible subject to consideration #1. Scrambling would have met both requirements, and there was no good second alternative.

Favre failed, and he has a pattern of failing in similar fashion and in similar circumstances.

I wholly disagree. They needed yardage to make the FG attemptable even. He took a shot at that yardage even though the odds were poor. Though haters will always disagree, Favre didn't cost them the game. The fumbles did.

ETA: Failing in this way, means having the cajones to try to win instead of "managing" your team to defeat. These things are what greatness is born of!

You got more strawmen than the Wizard of Oz.Yes, overall the fumbles were costly and helped cost the Vikings the game. Those fumbles, however, were water over the dam at that point in the game however. Favre could have put his team in position to win. He failed.

We agree that they wanted or even needed extra yardage for the FG, but no so much so that a pass was needed, especially with the running lanes available to him.

:( All the prior events of the game lead up to that point where Farve threw the interception. A big part of why many of us watch football is to see how people perform in moments of truth. Tarkenton and many others have pointed out, that in those moments of truth - moments to win a playoff game and Farve chokes. Has Farve ever lead a last minute drive in the playoffs? How many? I don't know.

I think Tarkenton knows Farve isn't a team player and plays for stats now (and has been for a long time), which is a bitter pill for Farve since Manning is going to exceed all of his good statistics in the end. I don't think Manning will ever pass Farve on the all time interception list, so that record is safe.

Favre has been a great QB. He is a sure Hall of Fame QB. That said, his gunslinger mentality, while great for leading lesser teams to pretty good, is not for leading good teams to great. He has not won a significant game in a decade. His INT and fumble in the Super Bowl led to a 17-0 Denver run and cost GB a chance at back-to-back titles. (The Pack were 11 1/2 point favorties in that game.) His 2004 loss to an 8-8 Vikings team, at Home, when he threw four picks, 2001 SIX picks against the Rams, three run back for TDs, then the Eagles and Giants games. Favre's gunslinger style has come up short for quite awhile now. Yes, he is that rare QB who can go out a "win" a game for you, but he certainly can "lose" one as well.

 

[Sweet Love]

Sounds like Fran is looking to take Bob Feller's place as the most bitter former athlete in sports.

Fran has had a good career and a good life. I fail to see where his comments should be interpreted as bitter rather than simply critical. Is Favre above reproach? Is Fran making up these events that he's criticizing?

Problem is, he has been quiet all year as the Vikes were rolling through people. In fact, unless Favre came away with the Lombardi (1 in 32 chance), Tark would have been on him in a second (and even may have started the "won in spite of Favre" crap).All I have to say is, "lighten up Francis".

 

[Tau837]

Favre has been a great QB. He is a sure Hall of Fame QB. That said, his gunslinger mentality, while great for leading lesser teams to pretty good, is not for leading good teams to great. He has not won a significant game in a decade. His INT and fumble in the Super Bowl led to a 17-0 Denver run and cost GB a chance at back-to-back titles. (The Pack were 11 1/2 point favorties in that game.) His 2004 loss to an 8-8 Vikings team, at Home, when he threw four picks, 2001 SIX picks against the Rams, three run back for TDs, then the Eagles and Giants games. Favre's gunslinger style has come up short for quite awhile now. Yes, he is that rare QB who can go out a "win" a game for you, but he certainly can "lose" one as well.

The fact that Favre has played poorly in several big games over the latter half of his career is indisputable. And it seems that you named most of them. But you overstate it by saying he hasn't won a significant game in a decade. He is 4-6 in the playoffs since 2001, so that's 4 significant wins. And some regular season wins are significant, like winning the last game this year to secure the bye, leading the Jets to a win at New England last year, etc.

 

[trader jake]

Fran:

Tark may be correct technically but I don't get what he's trying to accomplish.

 

[General Tso]

I love the fact that people are starting to call out Favre. Even if he had a guaranteed shot at a 46 yard FG, with a 74% probability, I believe he STILL would have made that pass and been interecepted. Why? Because I believe what is first and foremost on Brett's mind at that point in the game is him doing something to be the hero.

The audibles (changing running plays at the 1 yard line into passing plays), the horrible intereceptions late in games at the worst possible time, him staying in games even though he is obviously hurt, and perhaps to the detriment of the team - all of these things point to a guy whose ego is way too big in my opinion. Just win, baby.

 

[Jewell]

This is why Favre will be hanging around with the rest of the guys during furture Hall of Fame Weekends, and Tarkenton will be in the corner drinking by himself.

These sort of comments are unbecoming a great of the game. Just like you don't see an ex-President get personal in his criticism of the current President, you seldom if ever see a Hall of Fame player with such caustic comments on another Hall of Fame player. Even if you think it, the bigger man keeps it to himself and doesn't violate the fraternity.

 

[Black]

Fran always reminds me of the guy that wants to remind everyone that HE used to be the man. I love watching the films of him playing, but he really works hard to hammer in his own greatness. He loves to talk crap about Brett.

Brett is what he is. For every boneheaded, half-scrambling, off-the-back-foot, no-follow-through throw into triple coverage that results in a game killing interception, there's one exactly like it that hits his receiver in the hands in the back of the endzone and wins the game.

He is what he is. I don't think it's that much different than an RB that runs with reckless abandon, bowling over defenders, but then leaves the ball where it can get swatted free.

 

[Tom Servo]

Super Bowl VIII - Dolphins 24, Minnesota 718/28, 182 yards, 0 TD, 1 Int, 4-17 rushing, 1 TDSuper Bowl IX - Pittsburgh 16, Minnesota 611/26, 102 yards, 0 TD, 3 Int, 1-0 rushing, 0 TDSuper Bowl XI - Oakland 32, Minnesota 1417/35, 205 yards, 1 TD, 2 Int, 0-0 rushing, 0 TDCollectively - Opponents 72, Minnesota 2746/89 (51.7%), 489 yards (5.5ypa), 1 TD, 6 Int, 5-17 rushing, 1 TD

To Fran's credit, these three SB opponents were some of the stingiest and toughest defenses of the 70s: Miami's No-Name, Pittsburgh's Steel Curtain, and Oakland. I don't know how old you are, but it was rare in that era to throw for much over 250 yards, much less 300, in a game. It was more built on running. IIRC, Minny in SB IX may still stand as the fewest yards gained in a SB game.In short, there's no shame in losing to three of the dominant teams that played in the 70s. Cut him a break on that.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

Sounds like a jealous old manThat's Incredible!!!

Was just listening to Jim Rome who's just lambasting Fran left and right. After every jab they play the "That's incredible" intro.

 

[Tau837]

This is why Favre will be hanging around with the rest of the guys during furture Hall of Fame Weekends, and Tarkenton will be in the corner drinking by himself. These sort of comments are unbecoming a great of the game. Just like you don't see an ex-President get personal in his criticism of the current President, you seldom if ever see a Hall of Fame player with such caustic comments on another Hall of Fame player. Even if you think it, the bigger man keeps it to himself and doesn't violate the fraternity.

 

[Mario Kart]

Lots of stat line readers in here. Lets make conclusions about the whole game based on one stat line.

Give me situational stats as well as game stats compared to simple stat lines of one player.

 

[Bull Dozier]

Super Bowl VIII - Dolphins 24, Minnesota 718/28, 182 yards, 0 TD, 1 Int, 4-17 rushing, 1 TDSuper Bowl IX - Pittsburgh 16, Minnesota 611/26, 102 yards, 0 TD, 3 Int, 1-0 rushing, 0 TDSuper Bowl XI - Oakland 32, Minnesota 1417/35, 205 yards, 1 TD, 2 Int, 0-0 rushing, 0 TDCollectively - Opponents 72, Minnesota 2746/89 (51.7%), 489 yards (5.5ypa), 1 TD, 6 Int, 5-17 rushing, 1 TD

To Fran's credit, these three SB opponents were some of the stingiest and toughest defenses of the 70s: Miami's No-Name, Pittsburgh's Steel Curtain, and Oakland. I don't know how old you are, but it was rare in that era to throw for much over 250 yards, much less 300, in a game. It was more built on running. IIRC, Minny in SB IX may still stand as the fewest yards gained in a SB game.In short, there's no shame in losing to three of the dominant teams that played in the 70s. Cut him a break on that.

Miami and Pitt were solid in those years. The '76 Raiders had the 23rd ranked pass D (out of 28).

 

[SayWhat?]

Super Bowl VIII - Dolphins 24, Minnesota 718/28, 182 yards, 0 TD, 1 Int, 4-17 rushing, 1 TDSuper Bowl IX - Pittsburgh 16, Minnesota 611/26, 102 yards, 0 TD, 3 Int, 1-0 rushing, 0 TDSuper Bowl XI - Oakland 32, Minnesota 1417/35, 205 yards, 1 TD, 2 Int, 0-0 rushing, 0 TDCollectively - Opponents 72, Minnesota 2746/89 (51.7%), 489 yards (5.5ypa), 1 TD, 6 Int, 5-17 rushing, 1 TD

To Fran's credit, these three SB opponents were some of the stingiest and toughest defenses of the 70s: Miami's No-Name, Pittsburgh's Steel Curtain, and Oakland. I don't know how old you are, but it was rare in that era to throw for much over 250 yards, much less 300, in a game. It was more built on running. IIRC, Minny in SB IX may still stand as the fewest yards gained in a SB game.In short, there's no shame in losing to three of the dominant teams that played in the 70s. Cut him a break on that.

Cut Fran a break on not being able to win "the big game" because he faced some tough opponents? Isn't not being able to win the big games exactly what his biggest criticism of Favre is and has been since joining the Vikings? As much as I dislike Favre, he's won a big game and has a ring to prove it. Fran and his 51% completion/5.5ypa and 1/6 TD/Int ratio hasn't. So no, I don't think him and his act should be cut a break so long as he continues to run his mouth when clearly he shouldn't be.

 

[Sabertooth]

Fran always reminds me of the guy that wants to remind everyone that HE used to be the man. I love watching the films of him playing, but he really works hard to hammer in his own greatness. He loves to talk crap about Brett.

The irony of course being that Brett wants to remind people that HE used to be the man. He really hammers on his own greatness and loves to talk about Brett.

 

[ScottyFargo]

Fran always reminds me of the guy that wants to remind everyone that HE used to be the man. I love watching the films of him playing, but he really works hard to hammer in his own greatness. He loves to talk crap about Brett.

The irony of course being that Brett wants to remind people that HE used to be the man. He really hammers on his own greatness and loves to talk about Brett.

How did Brett express to you that he wanted to "remind" people that this year? You mean by being better than 95% of the QBs all year? Yeah I guess that's a pretty good way to want to remind people, but actually following it up is a pretty good trick too.I guess you could be referring to how he wanted to remind McCarthy and Thompson that he was a good player once, and again in sweeping GB and utterly demoralizing their pass D he succeeded there, too.