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SSOG, as long as you're still posting in this thread, I have a couple of Qs for you.

(1) You projected Bell to get less carries than last year. Do you project Dayne to get more carries than Anderson?

(2) FG right now projects Dayne to average 4.6 ypc, or .4 more than Anderson a year ago, .9 more than Dayne in his career. Too high or about right?
i think that Denver's HC Shanahan has already addressed that question, if he actually plans on using the RBBC in Denver. We're talking "10-15 Touches", whilst sharing such. Shanahan is trying to reclaim his former fame, and is unable to do so with T. Bell.Reggie Bush is a great scat-back...T. Bell is just a good one.

Yoda

PS...forget Dayne, Shanahan did when he tried to get Duckett during the NFL Draft.

 
Well, even Shanahan can make mistakes, and he proved it by drafting T. Bell...in what, the second round of the 2004 NFL Draft!?! That was sooooooooooo un-Shanahan like, huh. Basically, T. spoiled Shanahan's previous record, and Bell is at best, an embarrassment to such a record.

How does Shanahan reclaim his record, whilst soothing his ego?!? i suspect, by taking an un-Drafted RB, and featuring him as Denver's *MAIN* RB in Denver...in 2006.

Just my humble opinion,

Yoda
There's one problem with Mike Bell, in my mind. Ahmaad Galloway. I suspect you've never heard of him. That's sort of my point.More RBs come into Denver than become 1,000 yard rushers. Just because an RB was a late pickup and is in Denver does not necessarily mean he is going to succeed.

Two other points. First off, Shanahan isn't an ego guy, despite what everyone says. If he was an ego guy, he would have stashed Clarett on the practice squad rather than admitting he made a mistake.

Second off, drafting Tatum Bell was not a mistake. The guy has averaged 5.3 yards per carry. He was also single-handedly responsible for winning several games for Denver (the game last season against Washington, in particular). If you told a coach "This player will turn into the best Change-of-Pace back in the league, and will single-handedly win you a couple of games, but will never be a real stud", then that coach would take it in the second round, easy. Lots of players are drafted and never become superstars, but were still fantastic selections. Heck, sometimes players are drafted early on with the understanding that they'll never even be the #1 guy on their own team (Keiwann Ratliff, CB for the Bengals, is the first example that comes to mind- Marvin Lewis drafted him understanding that he'd probably never be a CB1, but would make a heck of a CB2 or nickle CB).

I think it's very possible that Bell's injury hampered his performance at the end of the season, but concerns were starting to rise about Bell in week 10. He averaged 2.75 ypc against a mediocre Oakland rushing defense
Hey SSOG, I promise I point out the following as good-naturedly as possible, and I know it was garbage time and all:Ron Dayne rushed for exactly 2.75 ypc on 8 carries in the game he played against a mediocre Oakland rushing defense.
Haha, fair enough. I think people get confused and think I'm a big Ron Dayne fan. I'm not. Everyone last year thought I was a huge fan of Mike Anderson as a football player (or possibly his mother or girlfriend), yet this year I probably won't touch him. I'm not a fan of Anderson, or Dayne, or anyone else. I'm a fan of RB1 in Denver, and right now I'm being told by all the people who are in a position to know that that is going to be Ron Dayne. As a result, I'm probably the biggest Dayne supporter on the boards- not because I think he's any good (mediocre is probably the nicest thing I'd have to say about him), but because his skillset fits well with what Denver does, and because I'm told he'll be RB1 in Denver... and like I always say, RB Denver is a stud. :)
 
SSOG, as long as you're still posting in this thread, I have a couple of Qs for you.

(1) You projected Bell to get less carries than last year. Do you project Dayne to get more carries than Anderson?

(2) FG right now projects Dayne to average 4.6 ypc, or .4 more than Anderson a year ago, .9 more than Dayne in his career. Too high or about right?
i think that Denver's HC Shanahan has already addressed that question, if he actually plans on using the RBBC in Denver. We're talking "10-15 Touches", whilst sharing such. Shanahan is trying to reclaim his former fame, and is unable to do so with T. Bell.Reggie Bush is a great scat-back...T. Bell is just a good one.

Yoda

PS...forget Dayne, Shanahan did when he tried to get Duckett during the NFL Draft.
Several mistakes in this post.Shanahan isn't trying to "reclaim his former fame". He is, and has always been, one of the best coaches in the NFL. I think only Andy Reid has a higher winning percentage among active coaches (maybe Cowher, as well). He's only had one losing season in 11 years in Denver. In all of history, only John Madden and Don Shula had more wins in their first 10 years with a team than Shanahan did with the Broncos (both of those guys, you might have noticed, are in the Hall of Fame). He's also part of a very exclusive club of coaches with multiple rings. I think that if Shanahan retired today, then he'd have a pretty solid arguement for the HoF. I don't think he'd get in, but he'd certainly have a good arguement. Another 5 good years or another SB ring and I think he's a lock.

Second off, Bell's not a scatback. Scatback refers to guys who are shifty, with very strong change-of-direction skills. That's Quentin Griffin, not Tatum Bell. Tatum Bell has a ton of straight-line speed, but a scatback is the kind of RB whose MOVES have moves. Also, not every small RB is a scatback, either.

Finally, Shanahan didn't try to get Duckett during the draft. Atlanta offered T.J. Duckett for Ashley Lelie straight-up, and Denver shot them down. ATLANTA was the team interested in moving Duckett, not Denver.

 
Well, even Shanahan can make mistakes, and he proved it by drafting T. Bell...in what, the second round of the 2004 NFL Draft!?! That was sooooooooooo un-Shanahan like, huh. Basically, T. spoiled Shanahan's previous record, and Bell is at best, an embarrassment to such a record.

How does Shanahan reclaim his record, whilst soothing his ego?!? i suspect, by taking an un-Drafted RB, and featuring him as Denver's *MAIN* RB in Denver...in 2006.

Just my humble opinion,

Yoda
There's one problem with Mike Bell, in my mind. Ahmaad Galloway. I suspect you've never heard of him. That's sort of my point.More RBs come into Denver than become 1,000 yard rushers. Just because an RB was a late pickup and is in Denver does not necessarily mean he is going to succeed.

Two other points. First off, Shanahan isn't an ego guy, despite what everyone says. If he was an ego guy, he would have stashed Clarett on the practice squad rather than admitting he made a mistake.

Second off, drafting Tatum Bell was not a mistake. The guy has averaged 5.3 yards per carry. He was also single-handedly responsible for winning several games for Denver (the game last season against Washington, in particular). If you told a coach "This player will turn into the best Change-of-Pace back in the league, and will single-handedly win you a couple of games, but will never be a real stud", then that coach would take it in the second round, easy. Lots of players are drafted and never become superstars, but were still fantastic selections. Heck, sometimes players are drafted early on with the understanding that they'll never even be the #1 guy on their own team (Keiwann Ratliff, CB for the Bengals, is the first example that comes to mind- Marvin Lewis drafted him understanding that he'd probably never be a CB1, but would make a heck of a CB2 or nickle CB).

I think it's very possible that Bell's injury hampered his performance at the end of the season, but concerns were starting to rise about Bell in week 10. He averaged 2.75 ypc against a mediocre Oakland rushing defense
Hey SSOG, I promise I point out the following as good-naturedly as possible, and I know it was garbage time and all:Ron Dayne rushed for exactly 2.75 ypc on 8 carries in the game he played against a mediocre Oakland rushing defense.
Haha, fair enough. I think people get confused and think I'm a big Ron Dayne fan. I'm not. Everyone last year thought I was a huge fan of Mike Anderson as a football player (or possibly his mother or girlfriend), yet this year I probably won't touch him. I'm not a fan of Anderson, or Dayne, or anyone else. I'm a fan of RB1 in Denver, and right now I'm being told by all the people who are in a position to know that that is going to be Ron Dayne. As a result, I'm probably the biggest Dayne supporter on the boards- not because I think he's any good (mediocre is probably the nicest thing I'd have to say about him), but because his skillset fits well with what Denver does, and because I'm told he'll be RB1 in Denver... and like I always say, RB Denver is a stud. :)
"Has major medical concerns"i'll pass...

Yoda

 
SSOG, as long as you're still posting in this thread, I have a couple of Qs for you.

(1) You projected Bell to get less carries than last year. Do you project Dayne to get more carries than Anderson?

(2) FG right now projects Dayne to average 4.6 ypc, or .4 more than Anderson a year ago, .9 more than Dayne in his career. Too high or about right?
i think that Denver's HC Shanahan has already addressed that question, if he actually plans on using the RBBC in Denver. We're talking "10-15 Touches", whilst sharing such. Shanahan is trying to reclaim his former fame, and is unable to do so with T. Bell.Reggie Bush is a great scat-back...T. Bell is just a good one.

Yoda

PS...forget Dayne, Shanahan did when he tried to get Duckett during the NFL Draft.
Several mistakes in this post.Shanahan isn't trying to "reclaim his former fame". He is, and has always been, one of the best coaches in the NFL. I think only Andy Reid has a higher winning percentage among active coaches (maybe Cowher, as well). He's only had one losing season in 11 years in Denver. In all of history, only John Madden and Don Shula had more wins in their first 10 years with a team than Shanahan did with the Broncos (both of those guys, you might have noticed, are in the Hall of Fame). He's also part of a very exclusive club of coaches with multiple rings. I think that if Shanahan retired today, then he'd have a pretty solid arguement for the HoF. I don't think he'd get in, but he'd certainly have a good arguement. Another 5 good years or another SB ring and I think he's a lock.

Second off, Bell's not a scatback. Scatback refers to guys who are shifty, with very strong change-of-direction skills. That's Quentin Griffin, not Tatum Bell. Tatum Bell has a ton of straight-line speed, but a scatback is the kind of RB whose MOVES have moves. Also, not every small RB is a scatback, either.

Finally, Shanahan didn't try to get Duckett during the draft. Atlanta offered T.J. Duckett for Ashley Lelie straight-up, and Denver shot them down. ATLANTA was the team interested in moving Duckett, not Denver.
Denver tried to get Duckett, and maybe Ashley was involved in the trade talk, but clearly...Denver wasn't comfortable with Dayne & T. Bell, and Atlanta wanted too much. Looks like Duckett is available now, and probably cheap. Let's see if Denver makes a move for him now...Yoda

 
He rehabbed and returned very strong from the injury, and Shanahan was far more complementary of Galloway than he has ever been of Mike Bell.The thing is, there are concerns about EVERY undrafted RB. That's why they're undrafted.

Still, if you don't like Ahmaad Galloway, here are some more names for you:

Marty Johnson

Brandon Miree

Ron Dayne

Cedric Cobbs

Cecil Sapp

Quentin Griffin

Garrison Hearst

KaRon Coleman

Detron Smith

Tony Carter

Raymont Harris

Derrick Loville

Anthony Lynn

John Avery

Vaughn Hebron

There's a long list of RBs that Denver has brought in that have never amounted to anything. There are even more guys who never made it past the practice squad.

In fact, I'm not even sure why you're so high on Mike Bell. Marty Johnson was also signed as an UFA this offseason, and Brandon Miree was a 7th round draft pick who spent all of last season on IR. Why Mike Bell and not either of them?

 
Denver tried to get Duckett, and maybe Ashley was involved in the trade talk, but clearly...Denver wasn't comfortable with Dayne & T. Bell, and Atlanta wanted too much. Looks like Duckett is available now, and probably cheap. Let's see if Denver makes a move for him now...

Yoda
Obviously, if Mike Shanahan wasn't comfortable with Dayne and Bell, the price of Ashley Lelie wouldn't have been "too much". I mean, what is a #3 WR who is saying he won't even play for you compared to the chance to get rid of some RBs that you aren't comfortable with leading your team?The only trade rumors I have heard linking Duckett to Denver are rumors of Atlanta trying to send him to Denver and Denver declining, not of Denver actively pursuing him. While it's possible he winds up in town eventually, and while I think he *IS* the most likely back for Denver to acquire if Denver *does* acquire a back, I'm not even convinced that he'd unseat Dayne even if he DID come to town.

 
SNIP...snip snip...snip.

He rehabbed and returned very strong from the injury
Yeah, right... :yucky:
I would argue that I am probably more familiar with Denver's runningback situation over the past decade than you are.
i grabbed Orlandis (???) and Mike early in FA, in all my Leagues. Did you??? Heck, you don't even see that Shanahan seeks a *REAL* RB now, and not a dream of yours or some RBBC.Just my two-cents...offered both Karmically and non-Dualistically, with a dash of Duality tossed in.

Yoda

 
i grabbed Orlandis (???) and Mike early in FA, in all my Leagues. Did you??? Heck, you don't even see that Shanahan seeks a *REAL* RB now, and not a dream of yours or some RBBC.

Just my two-cents...offered both Karmically and non-Dualistically, with a dash of Duality tossed in.

Yoda
I'm not getting in a pissing match with you over what we did or did not do back in 1999. For what it's worth, no, I did not grab Olandis Gary early in FA in 1999. I didn't even play fantasy football in 1999.I would argue with the assessment that Shanahan's looking for a "real" RB, and that he's not happy with his RBBC. It could very easily be argued that last season was the best rushing season Denver's had under Shanny, including 2002 (when Denver ran for 90 more yards, but 5 fewer TDs) and 1998 (when Denver ran for 1 more TD, but 71 fewer yards). He's a smart guy. He's shown a history of going with what works, and what he did last season very clearly worked, in a big way.

You say that Shanny's looking for a *REAL* RB? By REAL, do you mean a stud, workhorse type? You know, like Clinton Portis, or Terrell Davis, or Olandis Gary... or Mike Anderson? Well, Shanny had a *REAL* RB last year- one who had rushed for almost 1500 yards in just 12 starts- and he chose to platoon him. Just something to keep in mind.

I am curious, though, since you never answered... why do you like Mike Bell over Marty Johnson? I mean, both were signed as UFAs this very offseason. And why are you so high on M. Bell if you're convinced that Shanahan's madly trying to get a REAL RB? Why would he be trying to get a *REAL* RB if he already had one on his roster in Mike Bell?

 
gotta think somebody will give him the chance to be the man if denver won't.
Your question may assume that Ron Dayne will be the man in Denver, or did I miss out on news that Denver has acquired some other RB? If your post assumes that Dayne will be the man, I simply don't know how to answer your post because Daye will NOT be the man.
i just think it will be rbbc. i don't think barring injury, that bell will be given the chance.
 
SNIP...snip snip...snip.

He rehabbed and returned very strong from the injury
Yeah, right... :yucky:
I would argue that I am probably more familiar with Denver's runningback situation over the past decade than you are.
You're no more an authority on what happens in Denver than any buck who can read kffl. Good bye.
I don't read KFFL. In fact, until I ran a google search right now, I had no idea what KFFL even was.
 

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