rockbottom895
Footballguy
He has been looking great for the past few weeks. He ran all over baltimore, leading them down the field in their final drive. In a fantasy value, is he someone that people should be looking to aquire?
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rockbottom895
Footballguy
I understand, but Denver has always run where the RB's have split carries. Waiting a few weeks on whether Shannahan switches back isnt something so bad, is it?no offense but how was this not apparent weeks ago to you...
"Always" is not the right words here. What 2 or 3 years now?I understand, but Denver has always run where the RB's have split carries. Waiting a few weeks on whether Shannahan switches back isnt something so bad, is it?no offense but how was this not apparent weeks ago to you...
shadyridr
Footballguy
Actually they split carries once (last year)I understand, but Denver has always run where the RB's have split carries. Waiting a few weeks on whether Shannahan switches back isnt something so bad, is it?no offense but how was this not apparent weeks ago to you...
my man otis
Footballguy
That's not a bad idea if you want to play it safe.You definitely missed out on when he was cheapest, now he's certain to cost more.To answer your original question, it all depends on the trade.have you checked out his remaining schedule, including FF playoffs? what does that look like?I understand, but Denver has always run where the RB's have split carries. Waiting a few weeks on whether Shannahan switches back isnt something so bad, is it?no offense but how was this not apparent weeks ago to you...
rockbottom895
Footballguy
Agreed. Is his week 16 matchup against Cinci good or bad? At that point, will the Broncos really have to play Tatum hard? Dont you think theyd give Mike Bell a lot of carries towards the last few weeks of the season?
delusional
Footballguy
they need to get cutler in there, plummer just isnt cutting it anymore
my man otis
Footballguy
Cin was ranked 6th worst against the run before this week
http://www.nfl.com/stats/teamsort/NFL/DEF-...ar?sort_col_1=7
Yes they will, I don't see them running away with the division with SD around, and with the usually competitive AFC they'll probably be playing for some sort of home field advantage.
Maybe to keep Tatum fresh, but IMO it's a clear starter and backup situation from this point on. Tatum is the primary ball carrier.
Buttmonkey
Footballguy
Wait a minute, hold everything. Everyone remember, Tatum Bell breaks down after 10+ carries. There's no way he's even close to being a #1 back. Remember the stats, they don't lie, from like 10+ carries he has like a 1.2 yard per average.
I have him and I'm selling for anyting I can get for this scrub.
I have him and I'm selling for anyting I can get for this scrub.
Love to Bet football
Footballguy
Their offense looks bad,seems like every week they do JUST ENOUGH to win.....They beeter get their act together b4 they play the Chargers
Acquired him in a trade this past week.I got Tatum/Carson Palmer for Fitz/Thomas Jones. Was happy to see Bell get 2 TDs tonight.
dawgtrails
Footballguy
If only. 2 TDS = WIN. 1 TD = LOSS by 3 pts.
SSOG
Moderator
Are you sure that the "second" TD you saw wasn't just a replay of the first (and only) TD that Bell scored?
thatguy
Footballguy
fixed. first things first.
thatguy
Footballguy
Yup. It does. Jake doesn't seem comfortable in the pocket. That's one of the problems. But the playcalling isn't helping. Not sure we can expect much change next week against Cleveland. I expect week 8 at home against Indy to be the offense's coming out party. It damn well better be.However, Tatum is posting decent numbers in spite of the offense's problems. He looks like a good bet for ~100 yards and 1 TD per game going forward, with a few huge games thrown in. If nothing else he'll be very consistent. Should finish top 10.
Neil Beaufort Zod
Footballguy
I think Madden (for once) actually had it right when he said he hadn't seen Shanahan be so conservative with his playcalling. I think he just wants to beat Oakland no matter what. Plummer is playing better, but he COULD hand a game to the opposition, and I don't think he was willing to risk that. Not against Oakland.
Bell played well, but just ran into the pile at the end. Hang on to the ball and burn the clock. Take the win and move on. I think you'll see very good things down the road. Also good that he converted the red zone run with ease.
Bell played well, but just ran into the pile at the end. Hang on to the ball and burn the clock. Take the win and move on. I think you'll see very good things down the road. Also good that he converted the red zone run with ease.
thatguy
Footballguy
In any case, the days of buying low on Tatum Bell should have been over after the Baltimore game. But if they weren't, I have to assume they're officially over now. After three straight games of being "The Man", it seems safe to say he'll tote the rock 20 times per game barring injury. And now that he's found the endzone, owners will be even less likely to part with him. He's still worth acquiring if you can find a skeptical owner, but even then, expect a hefty pricetag.
Lemmiwinks
Footballguy
How bad is Jake Plummer right now?
thatguy
Footballguy
He hasn't been that good. But Shanahan really hasn't asked him to be, either. His opportunities to make plays have been limited. When given the chance to throw downfield, he's been adequate (like on the deep ball to Walker today). He's been making plays with his feet. He did have a TD pass dropped tonight, in his defense.Plummer's biggest weakness is throwing out of the pocket. He just seems uncomfortable, like he'd much rather be making the throw while running to his left with two defenders nipping at his heels--kind of like me in Madden when I'm controlling Michael Vick.
Lemmiwinks
Footballguy
I think his confidence was shattered when the team traded up to get Cutler. He does not look like the Plummer of last season.
delusional
Footballguy
Wouldn't be surprised. He does seem like a player that would take that to heart and let it gnaw at him. Offensively what playmakers are there anymore though? Tatum?: he been shuffled all year with RBs and finally got the starting job in what? week 5Walker?: Took some time to get comfy with him but he is the real deal..then who? Rod Smith WAS a great WR but his age has caught up. Then like you said, moving up to take Cutler is a monkey on his back. I am trying to trade Walker right now.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
Don't be ig'nant.He had the primary ball carrier role sewn up in week one and proved it when he carried 25+ times in game THREE. He has been the Broncos' starting RB since game ONE not game FIVE. He was the primary ball carrier in ALL their games so far, but Mike Bell got some time in games one and two - or do you consider 15 and 16 carries not a primary ball carrier?delusional said:
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
Yeah - I recall that a lot of his best long runs from last year were to the corner.
Fantaholic
Footballguy
I gave up Alexander for him yesterday, so I guess you could say that I'm high on him for the rest of year. I was expecting a far better performance against Oakland however. You can imagine my colleague's disappointment at the Alexander news given today. 
It is evident that Shanahan has given the starting role to Tatum. He hasn't done that since Portis. Bottom line, when that happens in Denver that RB (whoever it's been) is a lock to be top 10 and more likely top 5 by year's end. It's also a big play league, so I benefit from long TD runs. Bell will have a few nice TD runs before it's all said and done.
It is evident that Shanahan has given the starting role to Tatum. He hasn't done that since Portis. Bottom line, when that happens in Denver that RB (whoever it's been) is a lock to be top 10 and more likely top 5 by year's end. It's also a big play league, so I benefit from long TD runs. Bell will have a few nice TD runs before it's all said and done.
dawgtrails
Footballguy
Its also nice to see him catching a few balls.
O, 2, 2, 2, 4 balls caught in the first 5 games. Nice little added bonus for those of us in ppr leagues.
O, 2, 2, 2, 4 balls caught in the first 5 games. Nice little added bonus for those of us in ppr leagues.
Neil Beaufort Zod
Footballguy
I think the playoff loss to the Steelers ruined him. No matter how well he "manages" a game during the season, no matter how much confidence he builds up against lesser opponents, and regardless of home-field advantage and a season's worth of accomplishments...the pressure of the playoffs is enormous. Plummer just isn't that kind of QB. And I think that's been confirmed in his own mind.He can't play the playoffs again this week. He has to go through the entire season again. It's easy to lose focus, because he knows that nothing can prepare him to return to that pressure, and nothing he can accomplish will make the looming post-season any easier. I think he's still "losing" to the Steelers and maybe it's taking time to build up his game-day mentality to an acceptable level. That's my .02. I could be wrong, but he seems to be regressing. Losing to the Colts when they're the better team is one thing. Losing to Pittsburgh when you were (supposedly) the better team is painful.Lemmiwinks said:
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
This is BY FAR the most surprising pat of TBell's game so far.I predicted under 25 catches on the year and he's well ahead of that pace.
You are correct....my mistake.Must have been giddy over Reggie Brown getting 2 TDs....just happy I picked him up and decided to start him this week.
The only thing that can hurt T.Bell's numbers (and opportunity) from this point forward is if he continues fumbling. However, Mike Bell hasn't looked all that powerful since the season started and Cobbs isn't healthy (and wasn't developed enough before getting hurt)- so I don't know who the alternative is even if T.Bell literally drops the ball.
dawgtrails
Footballguy
The guy has fumbled twice on the year.LJ, R Brown, Parker have all fumbled twice. Gore, Deuce, K Jones have all fumbled more than twice.I don't think he has any more chance of losing his job because of fumbling than any of these other guys.
jonessed
Footballguy
His big throw to Javon was both off-target and underthrown. It just so happened that he was in single coverage and the DB was burned badly so was able to adjust. Now that Bell has the starting job locked up he will put up good numbers as the Denver D will always keep them in games. I don't think he will put up great numbers until Plummer gets out of his funk.I didn't think he would take the starting position outright though so my Denver O predictions aren't off to a good start
Big Score
Footballguy
Those other guys you mentioned, don't have Shanny as their Coach.
dawgtrails
Footballguy
I know they have far inferior coaches. Shanny knows what he is doing. Tatum Bell is by far the best running back on the team. He is going to play, and carry the ball alot.
He has VERY little tolerance for fumbling, and a costly fumble can be the difference in the way these games are going for the Broncos this year.
thatguy
Footballguy
Right. Which is why I said he's been adequate throwing the deep ball. He knew he had his big sure handed WR in man, and he got the ball to him. If Walker had been smothered and there was safety help over the top, I don't think Jake would have made the throw, so his decision making has been good. And, to be fair, it was a 50+ yard chuck, he had been rolling to his left and had to turn his body and plant, so not many QBs in NFL could have done much better. Bottom line to me is Jake looks very hesitant throwing out of the pocket.His big throw to Javon was both off-target and underthrown. It just so happened that he was in single coverage and the DB was burned badly so was able to adjust. Now that Bell has the starting job locked up he will put up good numbers as the Denver D will always keep them in games. I don't think he will put up great numbers until Plummer gets out of his funk.I didn't think he would take the starting position outright though so my Denver O predictions aren't off to a good start
dawgtrails
Footballguy
So you think 2 fumbles are a big deal?I mean, obviously if Bell coughs the ball up every game, it would be a problem, and that has nothing to do with Shanny
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
And, for the last friggin' time, Mike Shanhan has a LONG LONG LONG leash for fumbles.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
Wrong wrong wrong wrong wrongEvidence????
SSOG
Moderator
at the Dime Store Psychology. Is that your professional opinion, doctor, or are you off the clock right now?
It also came while he was rolling left and traveled 54 yards through the air. 95% of the QBs in the NFL wouldn't have even been able to make that in the first place. Geez, what do you guys want from him? Pinpoint accuracy all over the field, including 50+ yards out, whether inside or outside of the pocket? This isn't Robo-QB here.There was a 4-game stretch in 2004 where he threw 2 TDs to 9 INTs and everyone started speculating about what the heck was wrong with him. He responded by setting a Denver record for consecutive passes without an INT last year. Jake Plummer is still Jake Plummer. If it weren't for severe drops in week 1, he would have had a pretty respectable game. One of those interceptions that he tossed went right through the hands of his target and into the hands of the DB waiting behind. Another one was a desperation INT. He also had two sure TDs dropped, and played the game with minimal time to throw. If Plummer had gone 16/26 for 200 yards and 2 TDs to 1 INT (which he would have been had those three passes been caught), would we be having this conversation right now? That would give him two 200+ yard, 2 TD games in five outings. It would also give him a 5:3 TD:Int ratio on the season. And it's not like Denver's played the same schedule as San Diego here... even with the Oakland game, Denver's opponents have combined for a winning cumulative record so far (14-10, iirc). Prior to this week, Denver had faced the toughest schedule in the entire NFL according to adjusted opponent winning percentage (and the lead was so huge that they might still have it), and Plummer has faced Baltimore, New England, Kansas, and St. Louis- some solid defenses there.His big throw to Javon was both off-target and underthrown. It just so happened that he was in single coverage and the DB was burned badly so was able to adjust. Now that Bell has the starting job locked up he will put up good numbers as the Denver D will always keep them in games. I don't think he will put up great numbers until Plummer gets out of his funk.
I didn't think he would take the starting position outright though so my Denver O predictions aren't off to a good start
It's not like Plummer has forgotten how to play, here. He's had some bad breaks, faced some tough defenses, and had Shanahan call the most conservative games he's ever called in his history at Denver. I'm still thoroughly convinced that he's still the same quarterback that he was last year.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
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packersfan
Footballguy
I thought Plummer's throw to Walker was a terrific throw and I was surprised that after seeing how easily Walker was able to get deep on the Raiders Shanahan never once tried it again. Back to Bell, I will say right now the only concern I have about his potential the rest of the way is Shanahan's ultra-conservative approach. I think it hurt Bell's chances last night and it may hurt him again. The Raiders were selling out last night to try and stop Bell and it worked as he had a good game but not a great one. Had Shanahan continued to attack the Raiders' secondary they may have had to back off and that could have opened up more running lanes for Bell, resulting in some big runs and a better game. If Shanahan continues this approach and remains (apparently) fearful of using Plummer in the passing game defenses will react to that and it's going to make things real tough on Bell the rest of the way.
So for those hoping to see Bell land in the Top 5, I think that's going to be very difficult unless Shanahan's mindset changes. But given Bell's talent and the Broncos' overall ability to run the ball against any defense I think he should be good for Top 10-15 the rest of the way barring injury.
What is his ranking among RBs for the last three weeks since he's been the clear starter?
So for those hoping to see Bell land in the Top 5, I think that's going to be very difficult unless Shanahan's mindset changes. But given Bell's talent and the Broncos' overall ability to run the ball against any defense I think he should be good for Top 10-15 the rest of the way barring injury.
What is his ranking among RBs for the last three weeks since he's been the clear starter?
jonessed
Footballguy
I understand, but you still want your QB to throw accurately. He's consistently throwing behind on crossing routes and wide on end-outs. His knock has always been decision making which outside of the Rams game has been decent. His inaccuracy, especially on short-medium routes to Smith is out of character. These are bread and butter 3rd down conversions. I thought he would turn it around, but it's been awhile now and it's still there.Right. Which is why I said he's been adequate throwing the deep ball. He knew he had his big sure handed WR in man, and he got the ball to him. If Walker had been smothered and there was safety help over the top, I don't think Jake would have made the throw, so his decision making has been good. And, to be fair, it was a 50+ yard chuck, he had been rolling to his left and had to turn his body and plant, so not many QBs in NFL could have done much better. Bottom line to me is Jake looks very hesitant throwing out of the pocket.His big throw to Javon was both off-target and underthrown. It just so happened that he was in single coverage and the DB was burned badly so was able to adjust. Now that Bell has the starting job locked up he will put up good numbers as the Denver D will always keep them in games. I don't think he will put up great numbers until Plummer gets out of his funk.I didn't think he would take the starting position outright though so my Denver O predictions aren't off to a good start
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