jacobo_moses
Footballguy
I think the Vikings, Rams, and Jaguars are all likely spots for Taylor Price to land.
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Taylor Price Waived by Pats (1 Viewer)
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jacobo_moses
Footballguy
Just a reminder of his 2010 Combine stats
COMBINE
STATS:
Vertical Jump
37.0 inches
Bench Press
16.0 reps
40 Yard Dash
4.41 Secs
STRENGTHS
Price has good size and possesses a great first step to consistently get early separation. Fights through press coverage and sinks his hips well to get open out of breaks. Has great body control and catches errant passes with ease. Superior lateral agility makes him a threat to gain extra yards after the catch.
WEAKNESSES
Raw athlete who does not consistently disguise his routes, which neutralizes his excellent athleticism at times. Does not take the proper angles blocking and struggles to stick with defenders. Production has never matched his talent, even in a non-BCS conference at the college level.
COMBINE
STATS:
Vertical Jump
37.0 inches
Bench Press
16.0 reps
40 Yard Dash
4.41 Secs
STRENGTHS
Price has good size and possesses a great first step to consistently get early separation. Fights through press coverage and sinks his hips well to get open out of breaks. Has great body control and catches errant passes with ease. Superior lateral agility makes him a threat to gain extra yards after the catch.
WEAKNESSES
Raw athlete who does not consistently disguise his routes, which neutralizes his excellent athleticism at times. Does not take the proper angles blocking and struggles to stick with defenders. Production has never matched his talent, even in a non-BCS conference at the college level.
Donnybrook
Footballguy
I thought Tiquan Underwood would been on the hot seat after he dropped that TD pass last week but instead Taylor Price gets the ax.
jacobo_moses
Footballguy
The upside with Price could be high if indeed he is able to make good on the talent he showed coming out of college. Patriots beat writer Greg Bedard speculated that a change of scenery could be just what is needed to jump-start Price’s career.
Some GMs/Coaches just can't evaluate certain talent (or at least get horridly unlucky). Bellicheck and Marty Hurney should have a contest as to which can draft a WR that can score 5 TDs over the course of their career...we may be waiting decades on that one.
Boston
Footballguy
The Pats have been swinging and missing on a lot of high picks (first three rounds) the last five years or so...Maroney, Jackson, Wheatley, Butler, Brace, O'Connell, Cunningham, Merriweather, Thomas, Tate and now Price are among the MIA...it's a freakin' miracle they're still contenders...I think it's time the Pats abandon the trade down philosophy with their 75 picks a year and start trading up...maybe that one or two stud instead of dud could mean the difference between just making the playoffs and winning another title...
The Price release hurts more for the future than right now...outside of Welker and a somewhat creaky Branch the Pats have zero in the WR department for the future...Price could really have helped this unit going forward (as Tate could have)...it will be interesting to see how they address this in the offseason...
One other thing about this release...my guess it leads to a rumor or two of TO or Moss heading to Foxboro...probably won't happen but my guess it will be talked about by the media...
The Price release hurts more for the future than right now...outside of Welker and a somewhat creaky Branch the Pats have zero in the WR department for the future...Price could really have helped this unit going forward (as Tate could have)...it will be interesting to see how they address this in the offseason...
One other thing about this release...my guess it leads to a rumor or two of TO or Moss heading to Foxboro...probably won't happen but my guess it will be talked about by the media...
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sports_fan
Footballguy
They're at least willing to cut their losses and move on quickly. Many teams invest far too much in players that clearly aren't working out.
Couch Potato
Footballguy
Im trying, but I can't think of any WRs who went on to do anything after being cut by the Patriots. While it may be true they suck at drafting WRs, once they give up on them it seems they are correct in doing so.
Drafts from 2000 forward:
Taylor Price 3rd 2010 - cut
Brandon Tate 3rd 2009 - cut after last season, now with CIN but no catches, only special teams
Julian Edelman 7th 2009 - still rostered
Matt Slater 5th 2008 - still rostered
Chad Jackson 2nd 2006 - cut in 2007, 1 rec in 2008 with DEN, nothing since.
PK Sam 5th 2004 - cut, played in MIA in 2006 but no catches, played some DB IIRC
Bethel Johnson 2nd 2003 - cut after 2005, had 9 rec in 2006 with MIN then out of league.
Deion Branch 2nd 2002 - productive with NE then signed w/SEA (not cut), now back and starting.
David Givens 7th 2002 - productive with NE then signed by HOU in 2006 (not cut), seriously injured after 5 games and never played again.
They've also added free agents who, once let go, have done nothing afterwards:
Randy Moss set TD records in NE in 2007, had double-digit TDs in 2008 and 2009 for them, but once let go in 2010 was a well-documented cancer in MIN then a bust in TEN, and didn't play in 2011.
Reche Caldwell 2nd 2002 with SD, Pats added him in 2006 and he was 61-760-4 then let him go. He played one more year, for WAS, had 15 catches then didn't play again.
Doug Gabriel 5th 2003 with OAK, Pats added him in 2006 and he was 25-344-3 then let him go. Returned to OAK that year, had 5 catches then didn't play again.
That's all I'm remembering as far as FAs go. Maybe one of you can come up with a WR who was successful after Belichick has given up on him. I can't.
Given all of the above, I'm cutting Price loose from the 4 dynasty teams I currently have him on. I think the odds are now pretty long that he'll ever find his way into a fantasy starting lineup, and rather than hang onto a faint hope that he will, I think I can find better WW fliers elsewhere.
Drafts from 2000 forward:
Taylor Price 3rd 2010 - cut
Brandon Tate 3rd 2009 - cut after last season, now with CIN but no catches, only special teams
Julian Edelman 7th 2009 - still rostered
Matt Slater 5th 2008 - still rostered
Chad Jackson 2nd 2006 - cut in 2007, 1 rec in 2008 with DEN, nothing since.
PK Sam 5th 2004 - cut, played in MIA in 2006 but no catches, played some DB IIRC
Bethel Johnson 2nd 2003 - cut after 2005, had 9 rec in 2006 with MIN then out of league.
Deion Branch 2nd 2002 - productive with NE then signed w/SEA (not cut), now back and starting.
David Givens 7th 2002 - productive with NE then signed by HOU in 2006 (not cut), seriously injured after 5 games and never played again.
They've also added free agents who, once let go, have done nothing afterwards:
Randy Moss set TD records in NE in 2007, had double-digit TDs in 2008 and 2009 for them, but once let go in 2010 was a well-documented cancer in MIN then a bust in TEN, and didn't play in 2011.
Reche Caldwell 2nd 2002 with SD, Pats added him in 2006 and he was 61-760-4 then let him go. He played one more year, for WAS, had 15 catches then didn't play again.
Doug Gabriel 5th 2003 with OAK, Pats added him in 2006 and he was 25-344-3 then let him go. Returned to OAK that year, had 5 catches then didn't play again.
That's all I'm remembering as far as FAs go. Maybe one of you can come up with a WR who was successful after Belichick has given up on him. I can't.
Given all of the above, I'm cutting Price loose from the 4 dynasty teams I currently have him on. I think the odds are now pretty long that he'll ever find his way into a fantasy starting lineup, and rather than hang onto a faint hope that he will, I think I can find better WW fliers elsewhere.
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jacobo_moses
Footballguy
I think you guys are forgetting how Ochocinco was pretty good WR2 or WR1 on the Bengals most seasons. And now he is not even a WR3 for fantasy with the Pats. The Pats have a certain system that is very specific and disciplined. Either you work into this system and stick or you just don't. I really don't think that Taylor Price is a bust because he didn't work in New England. Couch Potato has a good list going and makes a good point. But I think we are forgetting that the Pats system doesn't work for every WR. Doesn't make them a bust. Seems shortsighted to me.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
They can swing and miss just as badly by trading up.
TheFootballJesus
Footballguy
This is the same team that picked up Gronkowski, Hernandez, Mayo, McCourty, and Chung through the draft- the Patriots are just like any other team, sometimes you win the lottery, a lot of the time you don't. By continually trading down they just end up acquiring more lottery tickets.
munchkin
Footballguy
This is right on. It's not the moving that's inherently bad but the subsequent picks. They moved to get Gronkowski; that looks like a pretty good pick. They have flailed badly on WRs and DBs.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Also, just because they pick sooner doesn't automatically mean that the player would be a better fit for their scheme.
Couch Potato
Footballguy
You know, we're all talking as if Price is now long gone.
It's possible no one claims him off waivers and he ends up on the NE practice squad. He's still eligible since he has not been part of th active 45 on game days enough in 2010 and 2011 to preclude such a move.
It's more likely someone will claim him, but maybe not. And maybe the Saturday timing of the cut was intentional for this purpose? It's possible he could be back on the Pats' active roster again next week? Just wondering.
It's possible no one claims him off waivers and he ends up on the NE practice squad. He's still eligible since he has not been part of th active 45 on game days enough in 2010 and 2011 to preclude such a move.
It's more likely someone will claim him, but maybe not. And maybe the Saturday timing of the cut was intentional for this purpose? It's possible he could be back on the Pats' active roster again next week? Just wondering.
jacobo_moses
Footballguy
This just in
#Colts, #Jaguars, #Vikings, #Dolphins, #Panthers all had good grades on Taylor Price, released by #Patriots today. All could claim Monday.
#Colts, #Jaguars, #Vikings, #Dolphins, #Panthers all had good grades on Taylor Price, released by #Patriots today. All could claim Monday.
jacobo_moses
Footballguy
This tweeted by NFLDraftUpdate
#Patriots waived rookie WR Taylor Price; a 3rd rd pick, he was highly regarded as a sleeper in the pre-draft. Big+fast. Still has upside.
#Patriots waived rookie WR Taylor Price; a 3rd rd pick, he was highly regarded as a sleeper in the pre-draft. Big+fast. Still has upside.
Couch Potato
Footballguy
Well crapola... I just added him back in the leagues I dropped him from a couple hours ago. May as well see where he ends up.
I sure liked the prospect of him taking over for Branch and catching Brady passes next year, and I'm not likely to be nearly as enthusiastic about his new landing spot. Oh well.
I sure liked the prospect of him taking over for Branch and catching Brady passes next year, and I'm not likely to be nearly as enthusiastic about his new landing spot. Oh well.
jacobo_moses
Footballguy
He could still end up in a decent situation if he gets an above average QB and doesn't have a lot of Comp at WR to deal with. We will see the next 36 hrs what happens
jacobo_moses
Footballguy
This just tweeted by NFLNEWS&NOTES
Teams interested in claiming recently waived #Patriots WR, Taylor Price: #Dolphins, #Jaguars, #Panthers
I only keep reporting updates cause as a 32 team Dynasty Owner of Price. I'm not ready to cut him until I see where he ends up. If its a good situation then I will take a watch and wait approach to see what he does before I cut him. Its good in Dynasty not to be to hasty sometimes.
Teams interested in claiming recently waived #Patriots WR, Taylor Price: #Dolphins, #Jaguars, #Panthers
I only keep reporting updates cause as a 32 team Dynasty Owner of Price. I'm not ready to cut him until I see where he ends up. If its a good situation then I will take a watch and wait approach to see what he does before I cut him. Its good in Dynasty not to be to hasty sometimes.
Ned
Footballguy
These "lotto tickets" are also a heck of a lot cheaper than if they moved up like others keep suggesting.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
I'd like to see him end up with the Panthers, for sure.
Seems to me like the Pats haven't had the same benefit of a practice squad as other teams. I can't recall the last guy they cut that somehow cleared waivers and made it onto their PS, but it seems like most teams are fortunate like that. Every decent young talent seems scooped up right away.
The Pats probably drafted 7-10 TEs, the years before Gronk and Hernandez, that weren't much of anything. There was a time where they seemed to pick a TE in every draft. I don't recall them being desperate for a TE, so they seemed to work the fail rate pretty well. I don't think they're desperate at WR and maybe they'll get it right on one or two just in time.
The Pats probably drafted 7-10 TEs, the years before Gronk and Hernandez, that weren't much of anything. There was a time where they seemed to pick a TE in every draft. I don't recall them being desperate for a TE, so they seemed to work the fail rate pretty well. I don't think they're desperate at WR and maybe they'll get it right on one or two just in time.
Boston
Footballguy
Not really...if you look at BB's first round picks they have been pretty solid...the worst ones have been Maroney who had a few decent seasons and Merriweather who while he wasn't that good still found his way onto two Pro Bowls...Graham and Watson weren't what they thought they were but were still pretty productive...over the years they have snagged Mankins, Seymour, Warren, Wilfork, Mayo and McCourty who are all high quality players...the early returns on Solder are very promising...I'd much rather see the Pats trade-up or turn some of these twos and threes into another one...one of the Pats biggest issues is a lack of playmakers on D and I'm willing to bet they have a better chance of acquiring one moving up in the draft...
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Boston
Footballguy
I agree to a point...the value they are getting pick-wise is good...the issue is the actual picks have either been subpar in many cases or they flip it again for future picks so they don't actually get a player that helps them on the field...I would much rather see them be aggressive in acquiring higher picks while the Brady window is still open...
stronger88
Footballguy
It's also worth noting that the next pick in the 2009 draft after Brandon Tate was some dude named Mike Wallace.
jacobo_moses
Footballguy
Does anyone know when a player is waived. How long a player stays on Waivers? Is it 48hrs? I'm just curious how long we have till we here who has put in a claim for Taylor Price is all.
I believe 24 hours for other teams to put a claim on him or waive the right to do so. If no claim during this period, he becomes a free agent and is free to sign with any team.
Cookiemonster
Footballguy
Didn't you post earlier that he could be claimed on Monday? I'm not sure, but it seems like 4:30 PM Eastern the following business day is what I've been seeing the last few big cuts (Haynesworth, McNabb were signed and a FA after the next day IIRC).
jacobo_moses
Footballguy
Yeah I thought I read that somewhere.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
I think some people aren't fully aware as to how the Pats operate in regards to "trading down" picks. They compile a list of which players they want and when they get to the point of having to make a pick, they will "trade down" if they are reasonably assured that "the guy they want" will be there. So they trade out of their pick and stockpile picks.The point being, if they used all their picks they would end up with the same players (but fewer stockpiled picks). The issue has been the talent level of the guys on their list, not the trading down part.My fear is if they "traded up," they would strike out just as badly. If the Pats moved up to snag Vernon Gholston from the Jets, people at the time would have appluaded that move and said they made a great pick . . . until he bombed and then folks would whine about how they shouldn't have moved up.ANy draft pick is great if that player turns out to be very productive . . . and he would be considered a bust if he didn't meet expectations. I HATE when people say that TEAM X could have had PLAYER Y, because it's really easy to tell 5 years AFTER a draft which players should have been drafted where. It's not quite that easy when all the college kids have 0 NFL experience. It's not like the Pats have been the only team to swing and miss on top draft picks. And they have had some success with some of the players they drafted. Given that they made so many picks and whiffed on a bunch of them makes them seem more incompetent than they really are. But I do agree that their talent evaluation needs to improve.
Mr. Brownstone
Footballguy
So they basically traded him for Tiquan Underwood.
jacobo_moses
Footballguy
Jacksonville, Miami, Tampa Bay & the Jets all put in waiver claims on Taylor Price...Jaguars had highest priority on waiver wire
Boston
Footballguy
I guess in the end we agree that their talent evaluation has to improve...if the trade-down philosophy was working and they were getting a haul of studs in the second and third round I wouldn't say a peep...especially since their trades are good when you look purely at draft-pick value...yet, right now they are missing a lot more than they are hitting in this part of the draft and with the Brady window closing it's a big negative...overall I feel this team has been much better in the first round of the draft during the BB era which is why I'd rather see them concentrate more of their resources to this area and try to get some potential playmakers that can help put them over the top...a case in point is I'd like to see them turn their two #2's into another #1 giving them three #1's going into 2012...at the end-of-the-day Brady isn't getting any younger and this team needs to surround him with better talent (especially on the defensive-side of the ball) if they are going to get over the hump and win another title or two...
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jacobo_moses
Footballguy
Lets try and keep this to Taylor Price and any fantasy relevancy he has. So with the Jaguars. Where could Price end up. Maybe be the WR2 behind Mike Thomas or Dillard??
JAA
Footballguy
Looks like the system doesnt work for any WR drafted by the Pats
Couch Potato
Footballguy
He could end up anywhere from never seeing the field to being the most targeted WR on the field. Remember, regardless of his new home, we don't know that he can play in the NFL. Belichick didn't seem to think so. Opportunity? Yes. JAX just cut a guy (Hill) who had been a starter all year. Robiskie is on IR but most people have concluded he sucks, so he's no big thrill for next year. They also just cut Sims-Walker from IR (injury settlement) so he's out of the picture -- again. Now starting is a former 5th rounder (Dillard) who was on IR all last year and has never had more than 33 yards in a game. Other options are a 4th round rookie (Shorts) with 2 catches on 11 targets, a 2nd year UDFA (C West) who has 6 career catches. And of course, their "best" guy (?!?!) is former 4th rounder Thomas, who hasn't had more than 3-24-0 in a game since week 6. Hell, in terms of draft pedigree, Price is their most highly regarded WR! (except for the stud 2nd rounder Robiskie - blech)Right now, even if a guy was a stud you probably wouldn't know it because their QB plays like Jimmy Clausen out there most of the time, and we all know what Clausen did to Steve Smith's stats. So, although there's ostensibly opportunity in terms of WR competition, it's still a bad situation for any WR there unless Gabbert improves significantly in his 2nd year. And then there's free agency and the draft next year to consider and the strong likelihood they'll address their need in one of those places to one degree or another.Of course Price has to start (or stop) doing whatever he wasn't (or was) doing in NE that got him cut in the first place or none of the above matters anyway. All we have to hang a hat on is that he was a 3rd round draft pick (lots of those bust over the years, as do lots of 2nds and 1sts) and had a few preseason catches against scrubs. He's still a pretty long shot I'd say.
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eakfootball
Footballguy
Wow, I'm angry they kept Underwood over him. Price looked great during preseason.
jacobo_moses
Footballguy
And Couch Potato. My point of this thread is this. This is only for deep dynasty leagues. This is a kid to keep an eye on. Has great size and speed and hands. Which you can't teach. I think his only hang up in NE was either he wasn't a good fit for there system or didn't pick up the playbook like they would like. May be a combination of both. So now he is only 24 and has a change of scenery. Now granted if Gabbert doesn't improve dramtatically in the offseason. Then all bets are off and Price should probably be dropped. But if Gabbert starts to make some strides. Of if the Jaguars are able to somehow get Matt Flynn or Josh Johnson to have other options besides Gabbert next year or after that. Then Price is worth stashing this year and next to see what happens. He has all the tools needed to succeed in the NFL.
Hence why 4 NFL teams put in a Waiver claim for him when they have 2 or 3 solid WR's already on there roster. So people recognize the skills. So thats all I have to say about it.
Hence why 4 NFL teams put in a Waiver claim for him when they have 2 or 3 solid WR's already on there roster. So people recognize the skills. So thats all I have to say about it.
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