He probably got tired of sitting around watching Ocho Stinko sucking it up, knowing he wouldn't get a fair chance to play do to the amount of money they have invested in Stinko.. That is enough to take your motivation away.Not really sure what happened here but if you're lacking motivation (which is the rumor) with Brady I don't see you getting it anywhere else...see Jackson, Chad...
Q: Mike, don't you think the Patriots cut the cord with Taylor Price too early? I understand that with Ryan Wendell and Dan Connolly out they had to activate Nick McDonald, but wouldn't it make more sense from a long-term perspective to cut Tiquan Underwood for one game, play Price vs. the Colts, then put McDonald back on the practice squad or cut Underwood again? No one is going to grab Underwood, who was unemployed for weeks and weeks. Is it poor roster management or is Price really that untalented? -- Tom (Boston)A: Tom, in the end I think what doomed Price is that he never developed the necessary connection and rapport with Tom Brady. It wasn't getting any closer to happening. Price is one of the most physically gifted receivers I've seen with the Patriots over the past decade, but I think the inability to win the trust of Brady that he'd be in the right spot, coupled with some hamstring injuries, made him less valuable than Underwood in the coaches' eyes. That wasn't changing any time soon. Given those factors, I understand why Bill Belichick decided to move on. We'll see if he made the right decision. Four other teams thought enough of Price to put a waiver claim on him (Jaguars, Dolphins, Buccaneers and Jets).I'll sum it up in one word: worthless.'jacobo_moses said:Lets try and keep this to Taylor Price and any fantasy relevancy he has. So with the Jaguars. Where could Price end up. Maybe be the WR2 behind Mike Thomas or Dillard??
True. But how often in general does a player that gets released go on to do great things for another team? I think the general rule of thumb is that a player that's released by any team (especially simply for performance reasons, and not off the field issues) likely doesn't have a great future success rate in the league. No?I'll throw this out there as nothing more than something to ponder over. But when was the last time a Pats player that got let go (especially skill players) went on to do much for another franchise? People can say that PLAYER X didn't fit the Pats system, but I can't think of anyone that went on to do great things on another franchise.
This is correct.Laurent Robinson looks to be (at least a short-term) exception to this. Though his releases (IIRC) were primarily due to health issues.True. But how often in general does a player that gets released go on to do great things for another team? I think the general rule of thumb is that a player that's released by any team (especially simply for performance reasons, and not off the field issues) likely doesn't have a great future success rate in the league. No?I'll throw this out there as nothing more than something to ponder over. But when was the last time a Pats player that got let go (especially skill players) went on to do much for another franchise? People can say that PLAYER X didn't fit the Pats system, but I can't think of anyone that went on to do great things on another franchise.
Hopefully Aaron Maybin proves an exception.True. But how often in general does a player that gets released go on to do great things for another team? I think the general rule of thumb is that a player that's released by any team (especially simply for performance reasons, and not off the field issues) likely doesn't have a great future success rate in the league. No?I'll throw this out there as nothing more than something to ponder over. But when was the last time a Pats player that got let go (especially skill players) went on to do much for another franchise? People can say that PLAYER X didn't fit the Pats system, but I can't think of anyone that went on to do great things on another franchise.
I'd have to research which players ever got released and went on to success. I'm not sure what bar to set as being released though. Does training camp count? Overall, I tend to agree that players cut from other teams have a much bigger mountain to climb.Technically, guys like Wes Welker and Danny Woodhead were released and then signed by other teams (Welker was a walk on and signed with SD then was cut after one game, Woodhead got let go by the Jets). I'm sure there are more guys than we are aware of. For example, Rod Smith of Denver fame was signed and cut by the Patriots. All of these guys were undrafted, so that may be part of the reason they didn't initially stick. Higher profile players that were high draft picks and then released might be a completely different animal.True. But how often in general does a player that gets released go on to do great things for another team? I think the general rule of thumb is that a player that's released by any team (especially simply for performance reasons, and not off the field issues) likely doesn't have a great future success rate in the league. No?I'll throw this out there as nothing more than something to ponder over. But when was the last time a Pats player that got let go (especially skill players) went on to do much for another franchise? People can say that PLAYER X didn't fit the Pats system, but I can't think of anyone that went on to do great things on another franchise.
There is (likely) your last time it happened.I'd have to research which players ever got released and went on to success. I'm not sure what bar to set as being released though. Does training camp count? Overall, I tend to agree that players cut from other teams have a much bigger mountain to climb.Technically, guys like Wes Welker and Danny Woodhead were released and then signed by other teams (Welker was a walk on and signed with SD then was cut after one game, Woodhead got let go by the Jets). I'm sure there are more guys than we are aware of. For example, Rod Smith of Denver fame was signed and cut by the Patriots. All of these guys were undrafted, so that may be part of the reason they didn't initially stick. Higher profile players that were high draft picks and then released might be a completely different animal.True. But how often in general does a player that gets released go on to do great things for another team? I think the general rule of thumb is that a player that's released by any team (especially simply for performance reasons, and not off the field issues) likely doesn't have a great future success rate in the league. No?I'll throw this out there as nothing more than something to ponder over. But when was the last time a Pats player that got let go (especially skill players) went on to do much for another franchise? People can say that PLAYER X didn't fit the Pats system, but I can't think of anyone that went on to do great things on another franchise.
There are some others I am sure. LeGarrette Blount is a recent example (released by the Titans and signed by the Bucs).There is (likely) your last time it happened.
Cedric Benson 1st round draft pickLegarette Blount undraftedI'd have to research which players ever got released and went on to success. I'm not sure what bar to set as being released though. Does training camp count? Overall, I tend to agree that players cut from other teams have a much bigger mountain to climb.Technically, guys like Wes Welker and Danny Woodhead were released and then signed by other teams (Welker was a walk on and signed with SD then was cut after one game, Woodhead got let go by the Jets). I'm sure there are more guys than we are aware of. For example, Rod Smith of Denver fame was signed and cut by the Patriots. All of these guys were undrafted, so that may be part of the reason they didn't initially stick. Higher profile players that were high draft picks and then released might be a completely different animal.True. But how often in general does a player that gets released go on to do great things for another team? I think the general rule of thumb is that a player that's released by any team (especially simply for performance reasons, and not off the field issues) likely doesn't have a great future success rate in the league. No?I'll throw this out there as nothing more than something to ponder over. But when was the last time a Pats player that got let go (especially skill players) went on to do much for another franchise? People can say that PLAYER X didn't fit the Pats system, but I can't think of anyone that went on to do great things on another franchise.
Yep, there is.You asked if there was a former Pats player though....There are some others I am sure. LeGarrette Blount is a recent example (released by the Titans and signed by the Bucs).There is (likely) your last time it happened.
New coaching regime likely won't be tied to Gabbert. Possibly drafting RG3 or Barkley change his outlook? How about the possibility of Gabbert looking much better in another year or two under better tutelage? Yeah, QB situation sucks now but we so quickly forget how fast the NFL landscape changes. You have already invested heavily on the O line lately, have one of the best RBs in football, need a better QB and a couple good WRs and this offense is ready to rock.Taylor Price will be taking Chastin West starting position and probably his number. He becomes an instant starter on a team with a horrible QB. Not much to get excited about at this point.
They won't quit on Gabbert that quickly...they'll find a coach that believes he can turn Gabbert into some semblance of a quarterback.'Cookiemonster said:New coaching regime likely won't be tied to Gabbert. Possibly drafting RG3 or Barkley change his outlook? How about the possibility of Gabbert looking much better in another year or two under better tutelage? Yeah, QB situation sucks now but we so quickly forget how fast the NFL landscape changes. You have already invested heavily on the O line lately, have one of the best RBs in football, need a better QB and a couple good WRs and this offense is ready to rock.'Two Deep said:Taylor Price will be taking Chastin West starting position and probably his number. He becomes an instant starter on a team with a horrible QB. Not much to get excited about at this point.
See post #9 of this thread. I think I was pretty thorough discussing this with the WR position.'David Yudkin said:I'll throw this out there as nothing more than something to ponder over. But when was the last time a Pats player that got let go (especially skill players) went on to do much for another franchise? People can say that PLAYER X didn't fit the Pats system, but I can't think of anyone that went on to do great things on another franchise.
Wait, are you insinuating that a busy, popular, and other wise worldy person like myself has time to read posts in threads?See post #9 of this thread. I think I was pretty thorough discussing this with the WR position.
Correct. The GM that spent the 10th overall pick on Gabbert returns, and with a 3-year extension. His new coaching hire will come in with the understanding that he will be expected to "fix" and definitely be tied to Gabbert.They won't quit on Gabbert that quickly...they'll find a coach that believes he can turn Gabbert into some semblance of a quarterback.'Cookiemonster said:New coaching regime likely won't be tied to Gabbert. Possibly drafting RG3 or Barkley change his outlook? How about the possibility of Gabbert looking much better in another year or two under better tutelage? Yeah, QB situation sucks now but we so quickly forget how fast the NFL landscape changes. You have already invested heavily on the O line lately, have one of the best RBs in football, need a better QB and a couple good WRs and this offense is ready to rock.'Two Deep said:Taylor Price will be taking Chastin West starting position and probably his number. He becomes an instant starter on a team with a horrible QB. Not much to get excited about at this point.
LOL. You forgot to mention considerably handsome.Wait, are you insinuating that a busy, popular, and other wise worldy person like myself has time to read posts in threads?See post #9 of this thread. I think I was pretty thorough discussing this with the WR position.Obviously I didn't see your post, and certainly you detailed it far better than I did.
Well, I was trying to be modest. But it is true. Brad Pitt is my stunt double.LOL. You forgot to mention considerably handsome.Wait, are you insinuating that a busy, popular, and other wise worldy person like myself has time to read posts in threads?See post #9 of this thread. I think I was pretty thorough discussing this with the WR position.Obviously I didn't see your post, and certainly you detailed it far better than I did.
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It's getting deep in here. Time for me to put on my waders.Well, I was trying to be modest. But it is true. Brad Pitt is my stunt double.LOL. You forgot to mention considerably handsome.Wait, are you insinuating that a busy, popular, and other wise worldy person like myself has time to read posts in threads?See post #9 of this thread. I think I was pretty thorough discussing this with the WR position.Obviously I didn't see your post, and certainly you detailed it far better than I did.
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This has definitely been a strength of the Pats...while they have made some bad draft picks and free agent signings over the years they have been pretty dead-on as far as who to keep and let-go...they almost never get burnt in this area...the only guys who you can say they have screwed-up on were Samuel (IMO BB's biggest mistake) and Vinatieri (Gostkowski has been a more than adequate replacement) as far as free agency goes and Seymour (more because they did not replace him adequately) on the trade-front...as far as draft picks they have really have never been burnt...the only guy who you could say has been productive elsewhere is probably David Thomas and he's nothing more than a role-player...I'll throw this out there as nothing more than something to ponder over. But when was the last time a Pats player that got let go (especially skill players) went on to do much for another franchise? People can say that PLAYER X didn't fit the Pats system, but I can't think of anyone that went on to do great things on another franchise.
I'll throw this out there as nothing more than something to ponder over. But when was the last time a Pats player that got let go (especially skill players) went on to do much for another franchise? People can say that PLAYER X didn't fit the Pats system, but I can't think of anyone that went on to do great things on another franchise.
Jabar Gaffney comes to mind. He did well in Den after leaving Patriots. He was the no 1 WR for DEN For part of the season. ANd he has had some good moments in WAS. But WAS has had such erratic QB play hard to expect too much there.
I'll throw this out there as nothing more than something to ponder over. But when was the last time a Pats player that got let go (especially skill players) went on to do much for another franchise? People can say that PLAYER X didn't fit the Pats system, but I can't think of anyone that went on to do great things on another franchise.
I'd settle for quartz or gypsum. It seems all we have is dirt right now.Jimmy Smith was drafted in the 2nd round by the Dallas Cowboys and then released. Jacksonville picked him up in the expansion draft and the rest is history. Went on to play in a couple Pro Bowls and set a few WR records.Keenan McCardell was a 12th round pick of the Redskins (1991) and bounced around the league for the next 4 years until he too was picked up by the Jags and he was very successful there playing alongside Jimmy Smith. Went on to play for the Bucs and won a super bowl and he went to the pro-bowl as well.Perhaps the mystique of Jacksonville has the ability to polish turds and turn recycled WR's into gold?
Great call on Gaffney...I forgot about him...he did a real nice job with the Pats and has played well since he left...he should not have left in hindsight because the $ wasn't big...the funny part about Gaffney is for all the guys (Hayes, Galloway, Gabriel, Ocho, Chad Jackson and Price (etc.)) who have had trouble picking up the Pats system Gaffney was able to do it as a street free-agent who was picked-up in the middle of the season and did not have the benefit of camp...he's a guy that could still be helping this team...Jabar Gaffney comes to mind. He did well in Den after leaving Patriots. He was the no 1 WR for DEN For part of the season. ANd he has had some good moments in WAS. But WAS has had such erratic QB play hard to expect too much there.
I'll throw this out there as nothing more than something to ponder over. But when was the last time a Pats player that got let go (especially skill players) went on to do much for another franchise? People can say that PLAYER X didn't fit the Pats system, but I can't think of anyone that went on to do great things on another franchise.
I know people say Gabbert doesn't have any WR's to help him, but people were/are all over Mike Thomas's jock. He has Marcedes Lewis. Jason Hill was being somewhat productive when given the opportunity. We also have one of the best RB's in the league and even though we have no semblance of a passing game MJD is still trucking along.I think Jacksonville has enough to be much more competitve than they have been. I think the elephant in the room is Gabbert. Hopefully, if Taylor Price can get caught up on the offense, we can see what he has to offer here pretty quick. Taylor Price in the 'X', scrub WR in the 'Z' and Thomas in the 'Y' (slot), Marcedes at TE and MJD...I'd take that. Just need Gabbert to show some ability to complete a pass to his skill players.I'd settle for quartz or gypsum. It seems all we have is dirt right now.Jimmy Smith was drafted in the 2nd round by the Dallas Cowboys and then released. Jacksonville picked him up in the expansion draft and the rest is history. Went on to play in a couple Pro Bowls and set a few WR records.Keenan McCardell was a 12th round pick of the Redskins (1991) and bounced around the league for the next 4 years until he too was picked up by the Jags and he was very successful there playing alongside Jimmy Smith. Went on to play for the Bucs and won a super bowl and he went to the pro-bowl as well.Perhaps the mystique of Jacksonville has the ability to polish turds and turn recycled WR's into gold?
Both Smith and McCardell suffered major injuries that led to them getting cut by their original teams. Plus, there are rumors that Smith was blackballed by Jerry Jones after Smith sued for back pay (the Cowboys refused to pay his salary after his appendix burst, claiming it wasn't a football-related injury).Jimmy Smith was drafted in the 2nd round by the Dallas Cowboys and then released. Jacksonville picked him up in the expansion draft and the rest is history. Went on to play in a couple Pro Bowls and set a few WR records.Keenan McCardell was a 12th round pick of the Redskins (1991) and bounced around the league for the next 4 years until he too was picked up by the Jags and he was very successful there playing alongside Jimmy Smith. Went on to play for the Bucs and won a super bowl and he went to the pro-bowl as well.Perhaps the mystique of Jacksonville has the ability to polish turds and turn recycled WR's into gold?