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TE Ben Sinnott, WAS (1 Viewer)
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Football Jones
Footballguy
I’m really high on Sinnott. He’s kind of in the Gronk mold. Top-5 TE upside, IMO.
The TE position is trash right now so he could be a difference-maker for FF teams in a couple years.
The TE position is trash right now so he could be a difference-maker for FF teams in a couple years.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
You draft guys like this in dynasty to wait and see. In redraft he has no business ever being drafted.
Dear God what have I done?
KingPrawn
Footballguy
Sinnott you it's me
JoeSteeler
Footballguy
This.
satch
Footballguy
Sure, but we’re well past the draft. Now it’s a matter of when to add him off waivers in anticipation of an expanded role. Add him too early and it’s a wasted roster space.
We’re well past the draft and Sinnot is on waiver wires in many leagues, some keeper leagues.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
He should be rostered in dynasty already and if it's redraft you're talking about, he probably shouldn't. I can see a lot better options in redraft, especially in shallower leagues, other than Sinnott. But if you must, go ahead and add him in your redraft league. Be prepared for him wasting roster space however.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Anything to see here in dynasty if he's on the waiver wire?
Lansdowne
Footballguy
Specifically dynasty, he needs to be rostered. Rookie TE's almost always start off slowly. He'll be behind Ertz and Bates this season barring injury, though the Commanders coaching staff (I forget if it was Quinn or Kingsbury who said it) has said they plan to get Sinnott more involved as the season progresses. I think he's going to be a stud in due time, plus he's tied to a young stud QB long term so that's an added bonus. He's currently dynasty TE19 on KeepTradeCut (a crowd-sourcing rankings site) and will likely trend upward once he gets more playing time. He's a 2025 play, with a chance at 2024 value if Ertz gets injured.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
This guy seems to be one of the better value-to-upside options available at the position. Drafted high but what appears to be an up and coming front office, tied to one of the better young QB talents in the league, mentored by TE jedi master Ertz, and has the physical capabilities you look for in a young TE. I am a little surprised he has not been more involved as the season has progressed, but it just extends the “value” window for those that want to target him. Excited if he can make the leap next year.
Boston
Footballguy
Any word from Washington insiders about him...it appears to be a redshirt year (the kid is still 22) but was that expected when they used a second-round pick on him?
Skipdog77
Footballguy
I'm trying to decide between Sinnot or Theo Johnson to take a flyer on as I start to think about a TE replacement for Kelce. Johnson was starting to put up some good numbers before he got hurt. I like the fact that Sinnot looks like he has a solid QB situation, but the fact he hasn't been involved at all is giving me some pause.
Need to decide before final FA run at noon today.
Need to decide before final FA run at noon today.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Currently listed 3rd on the depth chart. Is this guy gonna be a thing or what
Lansdowne
Footballguy
Hard to tell. Zach Ertz is their receiving TE and John Bates their blocking TE. Even though Ben Sinnott is third on the depth chart I’d assume he’s next in line as the receiving option at TE should Ertz succumb to injury. Daniel Jeremiah compared Sinnott to two players: George Kittle and Kyle Juszczyk. So that’s a wide range of outcomes. TE’s typically take the longest to develop so who knows. History isn’t kind to those who did almost nothing their rookie season though. Keep an eye on the Draft: if the Commanders take another TE then Sinnott is on notice.
rockaction
Footballguy
I actually checked what McBride did his first year and it's a whole lot more than what Sinnott did. Still not great, but Google AI claims he started 16 games and went 29-265-1 whereas Sinnott went 5-28-1 and didn't start. So while Kluge might be pointing out the ridiculousness of the argument (I think this is what he's doing) while saying there's some truth to it, the original point really isn't that on point. Sinnott did virtually nothing while McBride prepped by getting on the field and making about two catches a game for fifteen or so yards.
Sinnott's stat line looks atrocious, regardless, and Landsdowne makes a great point about the draft.
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KellysHeroes
Footballguy
Ertz is 34, Deebo is 29 and Terry is 29 so I wouldn't give up on Simmot and McCaffery because in a year or so those players are going to be slowing down real quick.
I have Simmot on half my teams due to him being so cheap.
I have Simmot on half my teams due to him being so cheap.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
The first part of this statement is true. I’m not sure it absolutely leads to the second part of this statement.
Lot of ways this can play out. Right now Sinnott & McCaffery are a couple of sophomore maybes who couldn’t or didn’t show enough to get significant PT.
And in McCaffery’s case, the team seemed to have prioritized WR this offseason, burying him on the depth chart.
Sure, they both could become something in a year or 3. Or they could become roster cloggers because folks make the assumption that they’re next line.
Sinnott is a player I like - has a lot of solid qualities. Easy to imagine a scenario where Ertz gets dinged up & Sinnott gets an opportunity to impress. Or Ertz could stay healthy & again make Sinnott an afterthought.
McCaffery seemingly has a tougher path to PT. He seems like a ST guy for now. WAS is suddenly pretty deep at receiver. Deebo wasn’t happy in SF - he could come out looking better than he has in a while with his change of scenery.
It’ll be interesting to see how both of these young players develop.
ffmail4me
Footballguy
He's not cheap in my dynasty leagues. I was shopping some WRs in one of my dynasty leagues (in a group that including Aiyuk and Jennings) and was told Sinnott was worth more than both of them.
So it seems the guys, in my leagues at least, that have him have already crowned him a future star despite doing nothing yet.
ffmail4me
Footballguy
I have McCaffery in a lot of dynasty leagues, but I don't have a ton of hope he does much this year (and maybe not ever) I know his dad and brother eat, drink and sleep football, so if he has that same love and passion, hoping eventually it will pay off...but not looking good right now for impactful play from him.
rockaction
Footballguy
He's not cheap in my dynasty leagues. I was shopping some WRs in one of my dynasty leagues (in a group that including Aiyuk and Jennings) and was told Sinnott was worth more than both of them.
No, he’s cheap. You just joined a league with some used car salesmen or something. That’s brutal. I wouldn’t approach that person again. Every time I think humanity is doing okay, I hear about a dynasty valuation like this. And then another like it, and I hang my head. See, we’ve got valuation problems and greed and dishonesty problems all in one.
Yeah, I usually try to degrade the players I'm trying to move post trade offers. Really get that value as low as I canHe's not cheap in my dynasty leagues. I was shopping some WRs in one of my dynasty leagues (in a group that including Aiyuk and Jennings) and was told Sinnott was worth more than both of them.
No, he’s cheap. You just joined a league with some used car salesmen or something. That’s brutal. I wouldn’t approach that person again. Every time I think humanity is doing okay, I hear about a dynasty valuation like this. And then another like it, and I hang my head. See, we’ve got valuation problems and greed and dishonesty problems all in one.
Kidding aside, that's just stupid talk as far as Sinnott's value.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
It’s probably more a matter of the investment being very recent. I probably wouldn’t sell low a year after drafting him either. He was a 2nd round pick in TE-P IIRC.
Agree
He is a guy I will probably make a move for at some point in the season if he still isn't contributing and I can get him for a 3rd rounder (our lowest pick).
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I wish someone would drop him in any of my leagues.
Birdie048
Footballguy
Why not make a “But Low” offer?I wish someone would drop him in any of my leagues.
Market looks like the time to buy and deep rookie TE options might be incentive to sell him for those holding
Wigglytuff's Gruff
Footballguy
do you play in a start 3 TE league?
I don't...one mandatory TE and the rest are rb/wr/te
Just too much value there
Wigglytuff's Gruff
Footballguy
I hope you're shopping the pick and Njoku.
I tried shopping Njoku but couldn't get a wet paper bag for him
Loveland too good to pass up. Much like Bowers he will be better long term than most of the wrs and rbs
pinkstapler
Footballguy
Or he could be OJ Howard... Feels like Bowers is the exception not the rule when you're looking at the past ten years of taking TEs high in rookie drafts.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
I think for many of us, Sinnot was drafted mid to late 2nd last yr in what was a very strong draft; Howard and Njoku were mostly 1st round picks in Standard league. If Sinnot doesn't become much its not really the same since the investment isn' the same
barackdhouse
Footballguy
McBride only got 4 targets through the first 9 games of his rookie year and then earned 25 targets through the last 7. He flashed at the end of his rookie season (as many players do including TEs) as did Mark Andrews as did George Kittle and as a result some of us were actually high on those guys in year 2.
I actually checked what McBride did his first year and it's a whole lot more than what Sinnott did. Still not great, but Google AI claims he started 16 games and went 29-265-1 whereas Sinnott went 5-28-1 and didn't start. So while Kluge might be pointing out the ridiculousness of the argument (I think this is what he's doing) while saying there's some truth to it, the original point really isn't that on point. Sinnott did virtually nothing while McBride prepped by getting on the field and making about two catches a game for fifteen or so yards.
Sinnott's stat line looks atrocious, regardless, and Landsdowne makes a great point about the draft.
I didn't see anything from Sinnott last year and it's a little hard to believe he is going to do anything with such an un-involved rookie season, even though I am definitely more in the buyer camp right now. Was he hurt last year?
rockaction
Footballguy
McBride only got 4 targets through the first 9 games of his rookie year and then earned 25 targets through the last 7. He flashed at the end of his rookie season (as many players do including TEs) as did Mark Andrews as did George Kittle and as a result some of us were actually high on those guys in year 2.
I actually checked what McBride did his first year and it's a whole lot more than what Sinnott did. Still not great, but Google AI claims he started 16 games and went 29-265-1 whereas Sinnott went 5-28-1 and didn't start. So while Kluge might be pointing out the ridiculousness of the argument (I think this is what he's doing) while saying there's some truth to it, the original point really isn't that on point. Sinnott did virtually nothing while McBride prepped by getting on the field and making about two catches a game for fifteen or so yards.
Sinnott's stat line looks atrocious, regardless, and Landsdowne makes a great point about the draft.
I didn't see anything from Sinnott last year and it's a little hard to believe he is going to do anything with such an un-involved rookie season, even though I am definitely more in the buyer camp right now. Was he hurt last year?
No. He just couldn’t get on the field. Saw this on Reddit today. Quite an interesting analysis.
“mp2054
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McBride is the easiest to compare Sinnott too since they had v similar situations as rookies with Kingsbury + Ertz both involved... Only reason McB got on the field his rookie season is bc Ertz was injured. This year, Ertz was healthy all year. So Sinnott didn't get the opportunity as a rookie that McB did. That said, Sinnott was still the 53rd pick in the draft - so the 'manders invested real DC in him. I'm holding until he gets the chance to be on the field or the commanders sign/draft another TE. meaning - if anything occurs that makes it clear the org is moving on from him, I will too, but at this point we haven't actually seen anything negative, just the lack of positive. so I'm holding/buying low where I can.”
Make what you will about the conclusion but I forgot about Ertz/McBride/Kingsbury and how Ertz’s injury allowed McBride to get on the field his rookie year.
pinkstapler
Footballguy
Yeah sorry for the confusion, I was talking about Colston Loveland. who's been going mid to late 1st in most rookie drafts so far. IMO Sinnot was a great pick in the 2nd for fantasy owners and will eventually pay off. He's talented, linked to a great young QB, and in an offense on the rise.
Barack backs up what he says, after I read this I made him and cheap offer sending him Sinnott, a 4th for a 6th and Sinnott and we got it done. Not going to point fingers but sometimes people say things here they don't mean or back up.
I was going to cut him if I did not make the trade, TEP league and I would have been the only person who would have cut him in any of my 7 such leagues and I just spent 2.5 on him last year. I certainly don't think he's worthless or the door should be closed on him, if I had 1-2 extra spots I'd have kept him but he sure did not give anything to hang your hat on either..
Recall reading this tweet back in the season so searched for it and main info was the game that Ertz got concussed he ran 24 routes and only drew one target and on the year had run 99 routes and only drawn 5 targets for one of the saddest YPPR known to man: https://x.com/jagibbs_23/status/1868691100690731198
One of the more comical stats is his total targetted air yards on the season, not average, total, was 9 yards.
One thing on the Ertz/McBride correletation that is different here. When Arizona drafted McBride Ertz was under contract for a few more seasons and they dealt him of course in McBrides second season. To me that's really quite different then resigning Ertz this off-season as Sinnott heads into his second year. Sure Ertz was not expensive, Kliff likes him, Daniels trust him, etc,etc, but again choosing to bring him back in Sinnott's second season instead of sending him away in Mcbrides second season is a notable difference to me.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Good distinction.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
He did get cut in a couple other of my FFPC leagues but those are SuperFlex. And he was always a cut candidate on the border regardless but yes. I also think in those rookie drafts this year he will go as a FA closer to the original 2.5 you paid than the 4.01 I just paid.
