Cowboysfan8
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It's coming.
Dallas will cut him and he will catch a pile of tds for someone.
Book it
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Dallas will cut him and he will catch a pile of tds for someone.
Book it
Bronco Billy
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modogg
Footballguy
I was listening to a podcast the other day and they played a piece of one of Cole Beasley's songs from his album. Holy Moly. I believe the chorus to the song was:
"I'm sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry.............i'm not sorry"
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Unless I have you confused with another poster, you have a strange fascination with Beas' musicI was listening to a podcast the other day and they played a piece of one of Cole Beasley's songs from his album. Holy Moly. I believe the chorus to the song was:
"I'm sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry.............i'm not sorry"
You're actually a closet fan of it, aren't you?
I’ve been intrigued by Rico but this guy is who we should really be looking at if we’re deep diving - converted WR, having a great camp, as bad (or even worse) a TE group as the Cowboys....but a team that has a history of utilising pass catching TEs and not asking them to block all the time.
Boone22
Footballguy
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Rico moving up the depth chart makes some sense as... the camp news the past week is that the Cowboys have been brutal* at throwing the ball downfield. And the best downfield person making plays is Gathers, despite all his other issues. Being able to produce something (anything) downfield also got rookie wideout Michael Gallup a sizeable uptick with playtime amongst the starters.
*this all may say something about the defense being very strong or perhaps Dak being insufficient.
*this all may say something about the defense being very strong or perhaps Dak being insufficient.
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Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Snap counts preseason game 1
Jarwin - 34
Schultz - 27
Swaim - 18
Gathers - 17
Wells - 5
Jarwin - 34
Schultz - 27
Swaim - 18
Gathers - 17
Wells - 5
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
Cowboys doing it backwards, as usual. So what quarters predominantly did these snaps occur in?
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Not sure. I've read all 2nd half except one snap but I read it on another board do I dont know if it's reliable or not.
I also read that he blew someone up on a goal line TD run by Bo, but i haven't seen it
Football Jones
Footballguy
Rico is their best receiving option at TE right now. Also, from what I've seen, his blocking has improved. And it'll continue to get better as he acclimates himself to football.
That said, what that means for him with Garrett at the helm remains unknown. What should be happening is the coaches concentrating on refining his receiving skills. We don't particularly need blocking from him as a Joker. Somebody needs to stomp on the Clapper's big toe every time he mentions something about Rico's blocking. Enough already.
Rico has the potential to be an impact situational player. He's got a ways to go, but few players have his tools.
I have no idea if/when the Cowboys will use Rico. Bottom line, the range of outcomes is as big as it gets. He could get cut or become a star. What I do know is Rico is an ideal dynasty stash (dirt cheap with a high ceiling).
That said, what that means for him with Garrett at the helm remains unknown. What should be happening is the coaches concentrating on refining his receiving skills. We don't particularly need blocking from him as a Joker. Somebody needs to stomp on the Clapper's big toe every time he mentions something about Rico's blocking. Enough already.
Rico has the potential to be an impact situational player. He's got a ways to go, but few players have his tools.
I have no idea if/when the Cowboys will use Rico. Bottom line, the range of outcomes is as big as it gets. He could get cut or become a star. What I do know is Rico is an ideal dynasty stash (dirt cheap with a high ceiling).
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STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
You do kinda repeat yourself there Jonesie.Football Jones said:
Football Jones
Footballguy
You're absolutely correct. They should've just left well enough alone. Rico isn't on the roster for his blocking ability.
That said, the added weight probably isn't a huge deal long-term. Like most player's who forcibly try to gain weight, it'll come off naturally with time.
Rico hasn't looked as fluid, but he's still a rare size/athletic ability specimen. Also, the big plays are starting to come in camp so I suspect he may have already lost some of the weight.
need2know
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Here's how the Cowboys' tight end pecking order is currently playing out. tight ends coach Doug Nussmeier (second from left) talks to David Wells (84), Blake Jarwin (89) and Geoff Swaim during a morning practice at training camp in Oxnard, Calif., on Tuesday, Aug. 7, 2018. (Jae S. Lee/The Dallas Morning News)
By Kristi Scales, Special contributorContact Kristi Scaleson Twitter
kristicowboy
Kristi Scales, sideline reporter for the Dallas Cowboys radio network, answered questions and shared interesting notes about the team during a live chat Wednesday. Here are some highlights:
Question: What's your pecking order at the Cowboys' tight end position?
Kristi Scales: Geoff Swaim is the undisputed No. 1 on the Cowboys' tight end depth chart, followed by Blake Jarwin and rookie Dalton Schultz. Jarwin is certainly more of a receiving tight end that an in-line blocker, but he's a willing blocker. Schultz has been manhandled a few times in camp practices, but he was a good blocker at Stanford and comes from a pro-style offense. I think Rico Gathers is on the outside looking in. I think the Cowboys will only keep three tight ends in order to go long at other positions, and Gathers will likely be the odd man out. Gathers can make spectacular catches in preseason games and practices, but he still needs to earn the coaches' trust in other facets of the game.
Sounds like he's not even going to make the roster..
Published32m
Here's how the Cowboys' tight end pecking order is currently playing out. tight ends coach Doug Nussmeier (second from left) talks to David Wells (84), Blake Jarwin (89) and Geoff Swaim during a morning practice at training camp in Oxnard, Calif., on Tuesday, Aug. 7, 2018. (Jae S. Lee/The Dallas Morning News)
By Kristi Scales, Special contributorContact Kristi Scaleson Twitter
kristicowboyKristi Scales, sideline reporter for the Dallas Cowboys radio network, answered questions and shared interesting notes about the team during a live chat Wednesday. Here are some highlights:
Question: What's your pecking order at the Cowboys' tight end position?
Kristi Scales: Geoff Swaim is the undisputed No. 1 on the Cowboys' tight end depth chart, followed by Blake Jarwin and rookie Dalton Schultz. Jarwin is certainly more of a receiving tight end that an in-line blocker, but he's a willing blocker. Schultz has been manhandled a few times in camp practices, but he was a good blocker at Stanford and comes from a pro-style offense. I think Rico Gathers is on the outside looking in. I think the Cowboys will only keep three tight ends in order to go long at other positions, and Gathers will likely be the odd man out. Gathers can make spectacular catches in preseason games and practices, but he still needs to earn the coaches' trust in other facets of the game.
Sounds like he's not even going to make the roster..
smbkrypt24
Footballguy
Some believe getting cut increases his value or at least keeps it the same.Brought to you by DallasNews.com
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Here's how the Cowboys' tight end pecking order is currently playing out. tight ends coach Doug Nussmeier (second from left) talks to David Wells (84), Blake Jarwin (89) and Geoff Swaim during a morning practice at training camp in Oxnard, Calif., on Tuesday, Aug. 7, 2018. (Jae S. Lee/The Dallas Morning News)
By Kristi Scales, Special contributorContact Kristi Scaleson Twitter
Kristi Scales, sideline reporter for the Dallas Cowboys radio network, answered questions and shared interesting notes about the team during a live chat Wednesday. Here are some highlights:
Question: What's your pecking order at the Cowboys' tight end position?
Kristi Scales: Geoff Swaim is the undisputed No. 1 on the Cowboys' tight end depth chart, followed by Blake Jarwin and rookie Dalton Schultz. Jarwin is certainly more of a receiving tight end that an in-line blocker, but he's a willing blocker. Schultz has been manhandled a few times in camp practices, but he was a good blocker at Stanford and comes from a pro-style offense. I think Rico Gathers is on the outside looking in. I think the Cowboys will only keep three tight ends in order to go long at other positions, and Gathers will likely be the odd man out. Gathers can make spectacular catches in preseason games and practices, but he still needs to earn the coaches' trust in other facets of the game.
Sounds like he's not even going to make the roster..
I believe that being number 4 on a roster in desperate need of a receiving options especially TE means you are garbage. Time will tell.
JohnnyU
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Probably get cut and turn out to be a superstar on another teamBrought to you by DallasNews.com
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Here's how the Cowboys' tight end pecking order is currently playing out. tight ends coach Doug Nussmeier (second from left) talks to David Wells (84), Blake Jarwin (89) and Geoff Swaim during a morning practice at training camp in Oxnard, Calif., on Tuesday, Aug. 7, 2018. (Jae S. Lee/The Dallas Morning News)
By Kristi Scales, Special contributorContact Kristi Scaleson Twitter
Kristi Scales, sideline reporter for the Dallas Cowboys radio network, answered questions and shared interesting notes about the team during a live chat Wednesday. Here are some highlights:
Question: What's your pecking order at the Cowboys' tight end position?
Kristi Scales: Geoff Swaim is the undisputed No. 1 on the Cowboys' tight end depth chart, followed by Blake Jarwin and rookie Dalton Schultz. Jarwin is certainly more of a receiving tight end that an in-line blocker, but he's a willing blocker. Schultz has been manhandled a few times in camp practices, but he was a good blocker at Stanford and comes from a pro-style offense. I think Rico Gathers is on the outside looking in. I think the Cowboys will only keep three tight ends in order to go long at other positions, and Gathers will likely be the odd man out. Gathers can make spectacular catches in preseason games and practices, but he still needs to earn the coaches' trust in other facets of the game.
Sounds like he's not even going to make the roster..
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Interseptopus
Footballguy
it's not a coincidence that Christine Michael also had an obnoxious thread when he was a cowboy...
modogg
Footballguy
i am just happy the knowledgeable folks with this fine, non-dysfunctional organization didn't feel the need to draft a TE. My guess is because they barely scouted any, others think it was a smart call. meanwhile, NFC East Eagles have too many quality TEs. impressive when Philly TE3 would be Dallas TE1:
Dallas Goedert - TE - Eagles
Eagles second-round TE Dallas Goedert (arm) didn't practice on Sunday.
Goedert left Saturday's session with an apparent right arm injury, though it's not considered serious. The rookie impressed in his preseason debut, corralling 4-of-5 targets for 66 yards and a touchdown in Thursday's loss to Pittsburgh. Zach Ertz's presence obviously limits his upside, though Goedert could emerge as a TE2/streaming option this year.
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Mister CIA
Footballguy
Chuckleheads come in threes.
Again, 90% of the thread is Football Jones repeating himself about Rico being an ideal dynasty stash, and about his potential. Very little new information here. Some people just get too attached to their fantasy/fave nfl team players.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
You guys are still so butthurt over the Cowboys not letting you have Blake Jarwin last season that it’s consumed you.
Personally Im looking forward to (continuing) talking about the Cowboys with you all year!
modogg
Footballguy
i'll dig up some change and get the Cole Beasley album and we can discuss Cowpokes for days 
BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
Chaka
Footballguy
Impressive. Probably a pick-six against a first string DB but it was still a great example of his ability to dominate with pure physicality.
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
pinequick
Footballguy
How in the holy hell can Dallas not find SOME playing time for this guy???? Is he just that much of a flake?
Aren't there a bunch of TEs in this league who can't block worth a damn, and are simply receiving threats? Why can't Rico be that guy in Dallas?
identikit
Footballguy
Football Jones
Footballguy
Agreed. Most organizations would be salivating at working with a guy with Rico's tools. It's hard to say what the Cowboys think of him, but regardless, they're going about this the wrong way.
Sure, there are fine points to playing TE like all positions, & TEs typically take longer to develop than most, but there's also something to be said for letting Rico use his natural abilities as a Joker in specific packages.
Keep developing Rico's overall game, but he's got the potential to be a difference-maker in a situational role right now. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to run a post or a fade in the RZ. And I say that realizing Rico is far from a sure thing, but it seems as if they aren't going to even try to take advantage of his skills anytime soon.
BTW, it looks like Rico has trimmed down a bit which is what I expected. Having him gain weight this offseason when he was already a monster was a poor idea. Garrett and his blocking fetish, LOL.
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Bronco Billy
Footballguy
Because by the reports I’ve seen, even though he is willing to block that he often blocks the wrong guy. He also apparently doesn’t understand fundamental things good receivers know, like when he is supposed to be in max protect or when he’s the hot route on blitzes and how to run that route, or that he should continue a route because he’s getting man coverage and when he should sit down in the seam because it’s zone coverage, because he can’t recognize the difference between them. There are also reports that he has no interest off the field in studying to get better at knowing what routes to run, his responsibilities in the playbook, or the finer mental aspects of the game.
If the above is true, he won’t be able to play anywhere unless he develops his ST skills, of which I have heard absolutely no reports that he has any. Before he joined DAL he hadn’t played football since 8th grade, and it shows. And it sounds like he just isn’t interested in spending his own time doing what it takes to catch up on all those years of missed learning.
You ought to be venting on him wasting his talent because he just doesn’t care enough to do what it takes to be a good pro instead of blaming the coaches.
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pinequick
Footballguy
So, in response to my initial inquiry then, yes in your opinion he really is just that much of a flake.
Football Jones
Footballguy
We don't know that.
You make some good points on why Rico may not be rising up the depth chart quickly, but what I do know is there are organizations who would be going about this a different way (instead of focusing on his weaknesses as a raw prospect).
Regardless of the depth chart as far as an in-line TE, Rico has the potential to make plays against 1st-string Ds. If I were them, I'd be finding out (as would many other organizations).
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Bronco Billy
Footballguy
How do you know what DAL has done to try to improve his ability to understand his position? They’ve certainly invested enough time in him. And if the reports are true that he doesn’t care enough to learn his position to invest his own time, then again why are you blaming the coaches?
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
There are plenty of TEs that can't block, RBs that can't protect the QB, WRs that can't block, etc that coaches find a way to get the ball to while they learn those other things. And most of those teams don't have the dire need for a downfield playmaker like Dallas does.
You really think if he were on Philly Doug Pederson would be sitting here whining how he's not a good enough blocker to catch 30 yard touchdowns, or do you think he'd find a way to work around it?
Football Jones
Footballguy
I have no idea how much they're working with Rico, but what I do know is most organizations would be finding out what his superior raw physical skills could do against 1st-team Ds.
The in-line stuff will take development, but Rico at least has the potential to help this offense right now. Keep developing Rico's overall game, but get his receiving skills on the fast track.
A blind man could see the potential so let's find out what we have against the 1s.
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Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
What makes you think he’d be remotely productive against starting Ds in the regular season? It’s seems to me he’d be much more likely to blow the offense up with all the mistakes he makes in his assignments and responsibilities.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
I have no idea if literally any receiver on Dallas will be productive against starting defenses, but Rico looks like their best bet. He's worth taking a shot with, especially rolling him out there with the 1s for a few preseason drives to see what happens.
And why are you fixated on these assignments and responsibilities. I'm not saying he needs to play every down and be an inline TE. You get him in there where you can, keep it simple for him. If he is as good as he looks at catching the ball he is worth the extra effort in your play designs. Just ask Sean Payton.
Dalvin Cook is one of the worst pass blocking backs in the league and Latavius Murray ranks as one of the best. But the Vikings found a way to work around that.
Football Jones
Footballguy
There was a recent report that Rico moved up to 3rd-string (not sure who he passed). Depth charts are notoriously inaccurate during TC.
I'll admit Garrett might have a plan with Rico, but it's criminal to not see what he can do against the 1s as a receiver in preseason. Keep harping on the blocking, Clapper, even to the possible detriment of your team.
To make it clear, I'm not banging the table for Rico as an NFL player or FF player. Nobody really knows what he can do as a playmaker, but his ceiling is sky-high (albeit with a low floor) & the Cowboys need to be finding out if he can help their receiving corps.
I'll admit Garrett might have a plan with Rico, but it's criminal to not see what he can do against the 1s as a receiver in preseason. Keep harping on the blocking, Clapper, even to the possible detriment of your team.
To make it clear, I'm not banging the table for Rico as an NFL player or FF player. Nobody really knows what he can do as a playmaker, but his ceiling is sky-high (albeit with a low floor) & the Cowboys need to be finding out if he can help their receiving corps.
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