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TE Theo Johnson, NYG (1 Viewer)
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Drunken Cowboy
Footballguy
It is nearly identical to Jimmy Graham.x.com
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Just what DJ needs. Wonder what was the reason he wasn’t picked earlier. No one moved up to take him. What’s the catch?It is nearly identical to Jimmy Graham.x.com
The Frankman
Footballguy
The rub on Johnson is he doesn't play to his measurables or give consistent effort. He tends to disappear for stretches.
I posted his video breakdown from Giants NOW on the Giants thread.
(coverage is the first 7 minutes)
I posted his video breakdown from Giants NOW on the Giants thread.
(coverage is the first 7 minutes)
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Birdie048
Footballguy
How much of that was due to Penn State scheme or offensive design? Some of what I read was he was underutilized and could use more structured coaching.
I like him but see him as a project in need of development
Drunken Cowboy
Footballguy
I would put most of it on their old scheme. OC was fired in the off season. He had been a huge disappointment.
I like Daniel Bellinger. The Giants have spoken highly of him since day one. He can block well.
If Waller isn't retiring or whatever the talk is now, then I don't think much of this pick.
If Waller isn't there, then Theo has his work cut out for him. Doable, but not at all the shoe-in these post draft writeups are making it seem to be
If Waller isn't retiring or whatever the talk is now, then I don't think much of this pick.
If Waller isn't there, then Theo has his work cut out for him. Doable, but not at all the shoe-in these post draft writeups are making it seem to be
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The Frankman
Footballguy
Just going to post this here...
I mean, there has to be a big improvement in play-calling by Mike Kafka/Brian Daboll, and a massive improvement in actual QB ability/progression/anticipation by Daniel Jones.
The annoying factor is that Jones never challenged the D with Waller anytime he ran deeper routes. Jones only found synergy with short routes due to the style of the offense/his lack of speed with progression vs. lack of protection time. Plus, you're now removing Saquon Barkley on O (one of the best pass-protecting RBs in the league last 2 years)?
I don't see Theo making a big impact in Year 1 with Daniel Bellinger ahead of him unless something changes.
I mean, there has to be a big improvement in play-calling by Mike Kafka/Brian Daboll, and a massive improvement in actual QB ability/progression/anticipation by Daniel Jones.
The annoying factor is that Jones never challenged the D with Waller anytime he ran deeper routes. Jones only found synergy with short routes due to the style of the offense/his lack of speed with progression vs. lack of protection time. Plus, you're now removing Saquon Barkley on O (one of the best pass-protecting RBs in the league last 2 years)?
I don't see Theo making a big impact in Year 1 with Daniel Bellinger ahead of him unless something changes.
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Max Power
Footballguy
I agree that Theo is a project. I was actually more excited when I thought he had a year to learn behind Waller. However, he is TE#2 on the depth chart and should see the field this year. He might still be two years away from being a full time starter.
The Big Donkey
Footballguy
Giants' Brian Daboll expects Gronk-like dominance from Theo Johnson 
"Daboll, who coached and is close with Gronk, has been showing Johnson clips of the retired tight end and expressing a desire to see similar results on the field.
“There’s countless times where we’ll be in the middle of a meeting and he’ll be like, ‘Theo, Dabs wants to see you,'” Johnson told Art Stapleton of NorthJersey.com. “Pulls me out of the meeting and I’m like, ‘What could this possibly be about?’
“And then he’s got up a clip of Gronk just running somebody over, catching a back shoulder, and he’s like, ‘This is what we expect from you.’ I can tell he puts a lot of intentional eye into the tight end position … I think it goes to show how he feels about me and what he thinks I’m capable of.”
Coincidentally, Daboll did try to lure Gronkowski out of retirement last offseason."
"Daboll, who coached and is close with Gronk, has been showing Johnson clips of the retired tight end and expressing a desire to see similar results on the field.
“There’s countless times where we’ll be in the middle of a meeting and he’ll be like, ‘Theo, Dabs wants to see you,'” Johnson told Art Stapleton of NorthJersey.com. “Pulls me out of the meeting and I’m like, ‘What could this possibly be about?’
“And then he’s got up a clip of Gronk just running somebody over, catching a back shoulder, and he’s like, ‘This is what we expect from you.’ I can tell he puts a lot of intentional eye into the tight end position … I think it goes to show how he feels about me and what he thinks I’m capable of.”
Coincidentally, Daboll did try to lure Gronkowski out of retirement last offseason."
foxco
Footballguy
Wait, this works? You can show someone a video of Jerry Rice and Barry Sanders and say "Just do that?"
Drunken Cowboy
Footballguy
He can be a monster if Russ is benched fast. With Russ 3/4 of the field is not available. He is a reasonable target for 50/50 balls. Pretty much the only throw Russ has left
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
There is a large tier of young talented TE’s right now, no idea who will end up emerging as it is a tough position to project.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I'll take a stab at it for the next two years.
Johnson / Ferguson - either order at 1 and 2. Both will most likely be featured in their respective offense more than the three below. Johnson not as much as Ferguson probably.
Taylor - I think he will start, but it may not matter in that offense.
Arroyo - I like better than Taylor, but something tells me Taylor will get more targets.
Fannin - Might have more talent than all of them, but I don't like his chances for success the next two years, or longer.
Drunken Cowboy
Footballguy
Johnson is a much better prospect than any of that group. He is 6'6'' and 265 lbs and has testing numbers that would be solid for a WR
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
I would add Ja’Tavion Sanders and probably Brenton Strange to that grouping. Not a big Ferguson fan and still cannot believe the chose him over CB Will Johnson, but this clump of young TE’s could be ranked differently from everyone.
Taylor
Sanders
Johnson
Arroyo
Strange
Ferguson
Fannin
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
#29 in FBG dynasty rankings for some reference anyway, seems like a bargain at that cost.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
If you’re going to include Strange and Sanders III would put Strange at the top. I might put Sanders and Taylor together, but certainly not in the top two. I still don’t trust the Young. You’re underselling Ferguson.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
I think Strange is good enough to be productive, but not dynamic enough to not be replaced. I missed you mentioned two years, so I would agree. May be underselling Ferguson, my eyes just do not see it with him.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I think Strange has stud potential. I wish I could get more Strange
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Thanks, maybe I need to take a closer look.I think Strange has stud potential. I wish I could get more Strange
Dulcich gives me pause.
I didn't have him then but many were praising him his rookie year with Russ. He hasn't done much since so he winds up with the Giants and...there's Russ.
Jermaine Eluemaynor. Do they have to help the RT fairly often?
