SameSongNDance
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We never actually lost Ertz.
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The General
Footballguy
He's shown he is a stud but there are lot's of options in this offense right now.
kutta
Footballguy
I was just thinking the same thing. He may need TD’s down the stretch to at the top of the TE heap.
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
He’s got 5 targets so far. Just not his night right now.
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
A couple things..
Byron Jones did a very good job on him tonight.
He may not be fully over his hamstring injury.
This trend of his volume essentially being cut in half started in week 6 and his elite production has been propped up by TDs ever since.
I would really appreciate it if he didn't turn into a TD dependent TE. I liked him more when he was a PPR beast who struggled to score TDs.
Byron Jones did a very good job on him tonight.
He may not be fully over his hamstring injury.
This trend of his volume essentially being cut in half started in week 6 and his elite production has been propped up by TDs ever since.
I would really appreciate it if he didn't turn into a TD dependent TE. I liked him more when he was a PPR beast who struggled to score TDs.
OK, what are Ertz owners doing for contingency plans in case he's not cleared by Sunday? The obvious answer is Burton, especially since you can wait to see if Ertz is playing (as opposed to having to commit to someone in the 1:00 game). Other possibilities are Clay (good matchup, but may have Peterman at QB), ASJ (not doing much lately), RSJ (promising, but a dart throw), Njoku (rookies in the playoffs, always risky), and Kroft. You also have to take into consideration that you may be competing with the Gronk owner on the WW.
As of right now, leaning Burton.
As of right now, leaning Burton.
NeverEnough
Footballguy
Ertz only expected to be out 1 game?
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
Burton is a closer to a one to one replacement for Ertz than, for exampe, Davis is to Reed. I know it's hard to believe that PHI's technical TE3 can just step in for Ertz but he really can. He doesn't have the same chemistry with Wentz as Ertz does but for all intents and purposes you can treat him like Ertz. Especially considering PHI's schedule.
And yeah, I'd be surprised if Ertz missed more than a game but everyone responds to concussions differently.
And yeah, I'd be surprised if Ertz missed more than a game but everyone responds to concussions differently.
Why is everyone assuming he's out?
I've seen players knocked out cold then the next thing you know they clear protocol. Usually players I'm facing of course.
Weebs210
Footballguy
More about getting a back up plan in place as most waivers run tonight and we won't get more information until tomorrow or Thursday.
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
I’m on bye but I picked up Burton prior to last weeks game. Can’t beat a TE handcuff after this season.
Andrew74
Footballguy
I’m picking up Burton as insurance. I own Njoku (dynasty) but I don’t feel comfortable using him.
Yes, all the science on concussions says that each one is unique. You can't tell anything based on the severity of the hit, and recovery doesn't proceed on any set timetable. There's no possible way we could know at this point how many games Ertz will miss, or if he'll miss any.
Last game Ertz missed (week 9) Burton and Celek both got 4 targets (Burton scored a TD)
GoBirds
Footballguy
As far as if ertz is active though, concussion isn't something he would be eased back from it's a go or no go?
Man was hoping Celek didn't see as much.
Well, last week Burton got 7 and Celek didn't get any. They play the Rams who are like 7th best vs the TE
GoBirds
Footballguy
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
I have Burton and Vernon Davis in one league, and if Ertz doesn't go I'll be choosing Burton. (To be fair this is easier since Vernon Davis has really cooled down even without Reed in the lineup--I've read speculation that he has a hand injury keeping him mostly as a decoy, idk)
This was probably skewed by the fact that they were beating down the Broncos. I'm assuming they went more run personnel which would mean Celek. Burton should thrive in a game where they likely will have to throw more.
edit- obviously assuming Ertz is out
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oddsbodkins
Footballguy
Same. I picked up both but just sent Burton back for Kearse. Anderson, at the very least, will be out on the field most all of the snaps and has a better matchup.
I'm trying to wait it out, but the gronk owner hasn't picked up a replacement yet. If I wait too long I'll be giving him first choice. But I'd rather not make a move unless I have to.
Of the options available, I'm leaning ASJ based on matchup. I feel more comfortable with him than with chasing WW wonders like RSJ or Anderson.
Of the options available, I'm leaning ASJ based on matchup. I feel more comfortable with him than with chasing WW wonders like RSJ or Anderson.
I would paint a better picture for Burton and look at it in terms of he got 7 targets in one quarter without Ertz last week and last season, oddly enough with Ertz active, Burton got 9 and 10 targets in back to back weeks.cockroach said:
I own Ertz a lot and I got some leagues where waivers ended last week and I picked up Burton last week in several of those leagues because I knew if Ertz went down I'd trust him and be able to start him with confidence.
chad in Indy
Footballguy
Was curious to hear why ASJ is a better option...then I checked snap counts. RSJ isn't even on the field for 25% of the plays. So, I guess I see the risk. However, Anderson saw the field +85% of the time last week. Those odds aren't bad to chase after
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The bolded says to me that they like to target two TEs. So I wouldn't expect Burton to have a monopoly on targets. When Ertz was out week 9 they split targets 50/50. I don't know what the snap count was. Burton saved his day with a TD, but only had 2 rec for 40 yds. That's not a "start him with confidence" kind of line for me.
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
Re: ASJ, Denver is 31st against TE. Hard to trust him but reason to start him.
Local news is Ertz says he will play. I picked up Burton anyway.
Local news is Ertz says he will play. I picked up Burton anyway.
I guess the 7 targets he got in a quarter don't equate to anything for you either, just going cling to a game where he was actually productive on limited targets as a reason to not have confidence in him? Ok. You do you, I'll be starting with confidence thanks.
It does equate to something, but do you think that was the game plan? We have an example of how Philly game plans when Ertz is out. Someone please dig up the snap count between Burton and Celek so we can get a little more insight on this. I watched that game, and if I'm not mistaken, Celek actually started. They might've been on the field together, but I remember Celek being the more targeted guy early on.... it wasn't like they threw him in the game when they already had a big lead and wanted to run more.
So if it seems like I'm clinging to one game it's because it makes sense to me that the blueprint for that game would be similar to what they do this week, regarding the TE position.
Steeler
Footballguy
I have Ertz but passed on Burton this week because I also have K. Rudolph. The last time Ertz missed time I played Burton (I think Rudolph was on bye) but this time I probably wouldn't consider him a plug and play replacement. I play DFS as well as season-long and I might be too bogged down on the match up - but LAR are very good against TE this year and poor against the run. I could see the Eagles attacking them with their running backs this week rather than peppering Burton with targets. Ertz is plug and play for me when healthy, but not Burton.
Any link to this?
I'm limited to two pickups per week and would love to bypass the need for S.Anderson/Njuku/J. Thomas/Burton.
Tim McManusESPN Staff Writer
Eagles tight end Zach Ertz remains in concussion protocol but is doing well and attending meetings, according to Doug Pederson, who believes Ertz is experienced enough to play even if he's not cleared until later in the week and has to miss most of practice.
Eagles tight end Zach Ertz remains in concussion protocol but is doing well and attending meetings, according to Doug Pederson, who believes Ertz is experienced enough to play even if he's not cleared until later in the week and has to miss most of practice.
I mean, I can't tell you Anderson is a bad option, but at this time a week ago I had never heard of the guy. That's the kind of thing that makes my spidey sense tingle.
As for ASJ, as @thriftyrocker points out, it's a great match-up. Yes, the recent cold streak is scary, but consider this: in Week 10 he put up a decent line (6/67/0), and then has crapped the bed the past two games. Imagine those results were reversed, and he was coming of a 6/67 game. Don't you think everyone would be touting him as this week's can't-miss streamer?
My point is that TEs are inherently volatile, and you have to make a conscious effort not to fall victim to recency bias. That doesn't mean ASJ is definitely the play this week, but IMO he has a better track record than most of the other options.
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
That's because there's been a revolving door between Griffin, Anderson and Fiedo in HOU with each missing different weeks due to concussions. I think he's the only one out of the three who hasn't suffered multiple concussions this year.
chad in Indy
Footballguy
True. I've never heard of Anderson before now either. Difference for me is Houston has a track record of the TE being a part of their game script. Couple that with the piling injuries to Houston's WR core, and he is just gonna get targets by being the last man standing. **Anderson is not a prototypical TE either. Only 6'3" 230.
On the other hand, NYJ have never been a team to utilize the TE position and Anderson and Kearse doing very well. I see all having similar floors, but Anderson (and even RSJ) have a higher ceiling IMO. Pick you poison, but for me, I'm playing the role of the underdog and need the high ceiling.
I think that could be mostly a product of them not facing many teams that feature the TE. Jimmy Graham and Engram had alright games against them, but playing AZ and SF twice along with Hou and Jax and NO and I can see how the totals are down. Not saying they're not good, but they're probably closer to average than they're ranked.
whiskey7
Footballguy
Found this from Howard Eskin (who appears to be affiliated with the Eagles broadcast team):
Although #eagles TE Zack Ertz has not been cleared from concussion protocol and thus did not practice Wednesday, I get strong sense Ertz will be cleared this week and will play against #Rams on Sunday. @SportsRadioWIP
9:48 PM - Dec 6, 2017
So that is encouraging I guess. Even if he plays, looks (on paper) like a tough matchup though that could be (as cockroach says above) a little misleading. Hoping that is the case.
ETA: we should know before sunday if he's cleared and (if he is) I see no reason to think he wont play. So this is likely to be moot but an obvious additional challenge to this situation is the fact the PHI vs LAR game is not only a late game but a 3:25pm start time. If something weird happens that causes Ertz to be a very late health-related scratch, might be SOL if not also holding Burton or a TE in the SNF or MNF game ahead of time. Same could be said for any player but this is a player coming off a tricky injury and TE a position owners typically don't have as many fall-back options...
Although #eagles TE Zack Ertz has not been cleared from concussion protocol and thus did not practice Wednesday, I get strong sense Ertz will be cleared this week and will play against #Rams on Sunday. @SportsRadioWIP
9:48 PM - Dec 6, 2017
So that is encouraging I guess. Even if he plays, looks (on paper) like a tough matchup though that could be (as cockroach says above) a little misleading. Hoping that is the case.
ETA: we should know before sunday if he's cleared and (if he is) I see no reason to think he wont play. So this is likely to be moot but an obvious additional challenge to this situation is the fact the PHI vs LAR game is not only a late game but a 3:25pm start time. If something weird happens that causes Ertz to be a very late health-related scratch, might be SOL if not also holding Burton or a TE in the SNF or MNF game ahead of time. Same could be said for any player but this is a player coming off a tricky injury and TE a position owners typically don't have as many fall-back options...
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My sense is that concussions aren't generally a "test it out in warmups" kind of injury, which is how you usually get those last-minute scratches. I suspect we'll know by Friday or Saturday if he's cleared the protocol.
Side note: Is Eskin still around? I remember him from when I lived in Philly some 25 years ago. As I recall, he was universally hated.
BigJonE300
Footballguy
Well this news makes my decisions much easier.
Steeler
Footballguy
sportsphysio
Footballguy
Just when I was getting comfortable about starting ASJ against the Broncos poor pass D vs TE's....
Steeler
Footballguy
https://www.fantasypros.com/2017/12/week-14-primer-analyzing-all-16-games-fantasy-football/4/
Someone mentioned this before, but the Rams are not a scary matchup for elite TEs - fire up Ertz if you have him!
Zach Ertz: The Rams have allowed the sixth-fewest points to tight ends this year, but that doesn’t begin to tell the whole story. The only athletic tight ends they played were Evan Engram (4/70/1), Jimmy Graham (6/37/1), Kyle Rudolph (5/58/0), and Jordan Reed (6/48/0). They are also the only tight ends to see more than three targets against them. If Ertz plays, he’s an elite TE1 and one that I’d be happy to use in DFS.
Someone mentioned this before, but the Rams are not a scary matchup for elite TEs - fire up Ertz if you have him!
Zach Ertz: The Rams have allowed the sixth-fewest points to tight ends this year, but that doesn’t begin to tell the whole story. The only athletic tight ends they played were Evan Engram (4/70/1), Jimmy Graham (6/37/1), Kyle Rudolph (5/58/0), and Jordan Reed (6/48/0). They are also the only tight ends to see more than three targets against them. If Ertz plays, he’s an elite TE1 and one that I’d be happy to use in DFS.
Crap, now Sleeperbot is saying the initial report was wrong, and Ertz hasn't completed the protocol yet.
Here's the link:
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/21704303/philadelphia-eagles-tight-end-zach-ertz-cleared-practice-remains-concussion-protocol
Here's the link:
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/21704303/philadelphia-eagles-tight-end-zach-ertz-cleared-practice-remains-concussion-protocol
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