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TE Zach Ertz, WAS (1 Viewer)

Time to drop? Hold? I want to let this guy go...but with the tight end position being so thin, it's hard to do.

What are some of you thinking right now?

And if you dropped him, for who? I am thinking Hooper with the Falcons or maybe take a flier on Ladarius Green, who could be solid, if he ever gets his butt on the field.
WR corp. in Phili not so good.  I'm going w/ Ertz over the guys you mentioned.   Shoot me later.

 
WR corp. in Phili not so good.  I'm going w/ Ertz over the guys you mentioned.   Shoot me later.
Good point but Ertz isn't getting the targets. He should be getting double, triple the amount of passes, and more of the red zone too.

I just don't want to hold on, see Hooper and Green get it going, and be left holding the bag. Even if Ertz has a good game, I believe he'll have three bad ones.

 
WR corp. in Phili not so good.  I'm going w/ Ertz over the guys you mentioned.   Shoot me later.
I would think you are right but something tells me this is a lost season for Ertz and I have no idea why because logically it shouldn't be.  But at the end of the day, a guy like Green will probably be a better play, 2 rookies in Hooper and Hunter probably will and that's odd for the TE position and an old guy like Melanie Walker will crush him.  When you think of it like that it kinda makes you scratch your head. 

 
I just traded him as an afterthought piece of a bigger deal to a team that also needed a bye week TE. Rejoice those of you who have kept him this long, now he may begin producing like you had hoped. Man this guy really sucked while I had him.

 
I just traded him as an afterthought piece of a bigger deal to a team that also needed a bye week TE. Rejoice those of you who have kept him this long, now he may begin producing like you had hoped. Man this guy really sucked while I had him.
it was YOU!  Thanks for falling on the sword to help. :)

 
it was YOU!  Thanks for falling on the sword to help. :)
It was my pleasure to be rid of him lol. Just seems like one of those guys who won't quite ever put it all together. Still was imagining him pulling off that 14 catch or however many catch effort it was down the stretch a few years back but its just not happening. Thought i saw Celek on the field a ton instead of Ertz as well, although I admit I didn't look up the snap numbers. Ertz didn't seem worth the time.

Best of luck to those of you keeping the faith.... my patience has just run out.

 
A large part of the problem is that the Eagles rank 7th from the bottom in pass attempts and 4th from the bottom in passing yardage. But even if they were throwing more, he's not getting a very large share of the targets. Despite playing more snaps than Agholor, he's getting fewer targets. He's a hold in dynasty and bench fodder in redraft (WW material for short bench leagues).

 
Wentz isn't going down the field that much, and it doesn't help Ertz that PHI doesn't really have a good deep threat.  DGB is still very raw, Agholor sucks, Matthews is not a true WR1.

PHI D is pretty good so expect more low scoring games.

 
Thu, Nov 10

Eagles OC Frank Reich wants to feature Zach Ertz more in the red zone.

Advice: Ertz hasn't scored this year, and has nine touchdowns in 53 career games. He's been targeted only three times inside the 20-yard line. It's good that Reich has recognized his 6-foot-5 tight end needs more scoring-area looks, but we won't be holding our breath. Ertz is a TE2.

 
quietly... this dude is coming. Wentz is completing 90% passes intended for him last three weeks and he would of had another 57 yard TD yesterday if Agholar could have lined up correctly. 

 
Yeah, three good games in a row. At least partially related to Wentz throwing the ball more than he has earlier in the season. Good to see him finally get some red zone love, too. Bodes well for his 2017 season.

 
Five of last six have been good PPR games. Four of six have been good in 0PPR. If anyone survived weeks 1-8 with him, they're reaping the rewards now. His 2017 redraft price is rising fast.

 
Five of last six have been good PPR games. Four of six have been good in 0PPR. If anyone survived weeks 1-8 with him, they're reaping the rewards now. His 2017 redraft price is rising fast.
he does the same thing every year.  He has killed the Skins 3 years in a row in late-season matchups and gets other garbage-time numbers.

he may end up ok next year in total, but I would suspect that he will again leave a lot of people frustrated.

 
He does look great. Tough matchup this week though.
The Ravens are known to be tough on TEs, but they can still be had.   Martellus Bennett had success (70 yards and a TD) against them, and there's no reason why Ertz couldn't.   Philly certainly won't be able to run the ball on Baltimore.  

Week 16 against the Giants would be a plum matchup for Ertz.   NY is brutal against the TE position.  

 
He does look great. Tough matchup this week though.
BAL is a bad match-up for TEs from a season long standpoint but they've given up the 9th most PPG to TEs over the past 5 weeks, 8th most in the past 3 weeks. Both Eifert and Bennett managed top 3 finishes in that time frame. 

Ertz is also hands down PHI's best pass catcher so he'll always be involved. In PPR he's a top 5 option regardless of match-up really. If only he had some actual YAC ability he'd be a monster.

 
Seems like the simple floor vs ceiling debate-- Graham gives you a  shot at 23 but also a shot at 4. Ertz should live in the 8-13 range i think. 
Ertz PPR numbers the past 7 weeks. Good for the #1 TE over that span:

23.10

10.80

8.10

17.30

18.10

22.0

15.10

Only 2 of the last 7 weeks fall in that range. Every other week is higher, and two of them are at the 23 range you attribute to Graham.

Here are Grahams last 7 weeks:

6.40

30.30

8.80

13.60

12.70

18.30

2.60

Graham has had one game over 20 and one close to 20 in the past seven weeks. Ertz has had two games in the 20's and two games close to 20 in four games in seven weeks.

I'll take Ertz no matter how you want to slice it.

 
Ertz PPR numbers the past 7 weeks. Good for the #1 TE over that span:

23.10

10.80

8.10

17.30

18.10

22.0

15.10

Only 2 of the last 7 weeks fall in that range. Every other week is higher, and two of them are at the 23 range you attribute to Graham.

Here are Grahams last 7 weeks:

6.40

30.30

8.80

13.60

12.70

18.30

2.60

Graham has had one game over 20 and one close to 20 in the past seven weeks. Ertz has had two games in the 20's and two games close to 20 in four games in seven weeks.

I'll take Ertz no matter how you want to slice it.
I don't play PPR and would take Ertz as well. Just saying I still think JG has a better shot at a two-td day if needed than Ertz does

 
Ertz PPR numbers the past 7 weeks. Good for the #1 TE over that span:

23.10

10.80

8.10

17.30

18.10

22.0

15.10

Only 2 of the last 7 weeks fall in that range. Every other week is higher, and two of them are at the 23 range you attribute to Graham.

Here are Grahams last 7 weeks:

6.40

30.30

8.80

13.60

12.70

18.30

2.60

Graham has had one game over 20 and one close to 20 in the past seven weeks. Ertz has had two games in the 20's and two games close to 20 in four games in seven weeks.

I'll take Ertz no matter how you want to slice it.
I'll say I was surprised when I ran the numbers and Ertz came out TE1. That's a hard trend to ignore, match up or not. 

 
he does the same thing every year.  He has killed the Skins 3 years in a row in late-season matchups and gets other garbage-time numbers.

he may end up ok next year in total, but I would suspect that he will again leave a lot of people frustrated.
If by "every year" you mean "last year" then, sure. But even with his good game against the Skins in 2014, his splits were still better in the first half of that season. Either way, we're dealing with a new QB and new regime. Plus, missing time with injury almost certainly impeded his progress in the first half. Without that injury he might've built on his 6 catch week 1, instead he didn't even see 6 targets again until week 9. So I think it is safe this year to say he's turning the corner. He'll be back in the same scheme with the same QB next season. That'll be a first for him, I believe.

I certainly don't expect him to net 100+ rec like he's on pace for over the past 6 games, but I think 80+ is easily attainable. I'm thinking Kelce-ish numbers. They key will be improving that YPC.

 
Own Ertz in a keeper league, been watching for some good news out of camp.   Maybe today was the day with Matthews going to Buffalo...

Here's hoping that trade opens up opprtunities and targets for Z

 
The Philadelphia Inquirer's Zach Berman believes Zach Ertz "will be a high-volume receiver" with Jordan Matthews gone.

The numbers support Berman's claim, with Ertz seeing 31 targets total in the two games he played without Matthews last season. He may not see that kind of volume again with Alshon Jeffery in the picture this year, but he should be the biggest beneficiary of the Matthews trade. Ertz is a value at his TE12 draft slot.

Source: Zach Berman on Twitter

 
Zach Ertz caught three passes for 44 yards in the Eagles' third preseason game.

The Dolphins' shoddy linebacker crew simply couldn't cover Ertz, who led the Eagles in receiving with Carson Wentz in the game. With slot man Jordan Matthews gone to Buffalo, Ertz should make a run at the Kyle Rudolph-Tyler Eifert tier among fantasy tight ends. Ertz is worth drafting in the ninth round.

Aug 24 - 9:09 PM

 
SameSongNDance said:
I'm buying all the shares.
He and Eiffert are such great values at TE. I can easily see Ertz having a Greg Olsen type year. Eiffert is the closest thing to Gronk in terms of TE upside. 

 
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Zach Ertz caught 5-of-10 targets for 97 yards in Week 2 against the Chiefs.

It's similar to what Ertz did last week. Ertz's highlight was a 53-yard catch that set up a field goal the Eagles ultimately missed before halftime. He was held out of the end-zone for the second straight game, but his target share is trending up. Ertz is locked into a top-two role in one of the most pass-heavy offenses in the league.
 
I'm not selling high or anything, so not sure why I'm asking, but it this pace possible to sustain? 

Wentz is only on pace for 566 PA so far (117PA/5ga) and Ertz is the recipient of 27% (!!) of those passes and catching 67% of those. That would be 154 targets. Seems pretty crazy, but he had 78 targets in the final 8 games of last season, so we're getting a pretty solid trend going. Alshon - he of outrageous preseason projections - is not getting as much Wentz love: 38 targets, or 122 for 16 games (right around the 120 I predicted, but I didn't predict 150 for Ertz). Torrey and Agholor each have 23 targets.

 
Yes, Ertz has always been a favorite target of Wentz, as was true for Bradford and Foles before him. Health was holding him back. This is the first year where it's not an issue.

 
As for Jeffery, he's been shadowed by elite CBs almost every game and Wentz has not tried to force it to him, as he shouldn't.
This is why I'm slightly worried about this Thursday. Ertz has to have benefited from Jeffery being covered by PP, Jenkins, Norman and Hayward. The one game where PHI was able to scheme Jeffery away from an opposing team's top CB (Peters) he saw 13 targets. The thing is Ertz still saw 10 targets in that game.

This will be the first time there isn't really an imposing CB lined up on the other side of the ball and CAR has done a decent job vs. TEs this year, although Daniel Fells did score 2 TDs last week. But Ertz has proven to match-up proof, he scored the most fantasy points vs. ARI than any other TE in their last 21 games. 

 
I made this deal a few days ago, and I'm happy with it:

Gave:

Jordan Reed/Elijah McGuire/Matt Breida/Adam Shaheen

Got:

Zach Ertz

Didn't love giving up so many lottery tickets, but they were free so it got me some stability at TE. Which this year, is a bigger advantage than normal it seems.

Don't see how Ertz isn't a top-5 dynasty TE now. Despite the strong rookie class, the position is mostly a wasteland week to week.

 
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I made this deal a few days ago, and I'm happy with it:

Gave:

Jordan Reed/Elijah McGuire/Matt Breida/Adam Shaheen

Got:

Zach Ertz

Didn't love giving up so many lottery tickets, but they were free so it got me some stability at TE. Which this year, is a bigger advantage than normal it seems.

Don't see how Ertz isn't a top-5 dynasty TE now. Despite the strong rookie class, the position is mostly a wasteland week to week.
I would kill to be able to dump that much potential for a proven commodity in a trade... nice job!

 
This was also the first season Ertz started with the same QB as any of the previous seasons (Vick, Foles, Bradford, Wentz, and now Wentz).  IMO, the lack of stability and chemistry development with his QB has played a much larger role in his not breaking out like we all hoped.  I would not be looking to sell, as I believe he's as guaranteed a top 3 TE as anyone else.

 
This was also the first season Ertz started with the same QB as any of the previous seasons (Vick, Foles, Bradford, Wentz, and now Wentz).  IMO, the lack of stability and chemistry development with his QB has played a much larger role in his not breaking out like we all hoped.  I would not be looking to sell, as I believe he's as guaranteed a top 3 TE as anyone else.
Ray Didinger* (IIRC) was discussing Wentz's chemistry with Ertz this past weekend.  Wentz just trusts him and they're on the same page.  That trust is still being being built with the new receivers - particularly Jeffery.  The throws to ZE are often before he comes out of his break.  Hopefully that same chemistry/trust will grow with Jeffery as the season progresses.  Remember Jeffery sat out most of the preseason and a lot of camp.  He also speculated that's one of the reasons Wentz holds on to the ball so long - he's waiting for Jeffery/Smith to come out of their breaks rather than letting it go before like he does with Ertz.

*Ray Didinger is a HOF sports writer and very well respected voice when it comes to the Eagles.

 
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As for Jeffery, he's been shadowed by elite CBs almost every game and Wentz has not tried to force it to him, as he shouldn't.
I have Ertz and Jeffrey. Wasn't by design, just how my draft played out as Ertz was my best value pick and came a few rounds after Alshon. I just lost OBJ, ya think Jeffrey is worth the start this week? Obviously I have Ertz locked and loaded week after week.

 
I have Ertz and Jeffrey. Wasn't by design, just how my draft played out as Ertz was my best value pick and came a few rounds after Alshon. I just lost OBJ, ya think Jeffrey is worth the start this week? Obviously I have Ertz locked and loaded week after week.
Depends on your other options. Fortunately, CAR doesn't have a CB of the caliber of the guys he's faced previously.

 
Pip's Invitation said:
Depends on your other options. Fortunately, CAR doesn't have a CB of the caliber of the guys he's faced previously.
I got Fuller, Funchess, and if he ever gets right (and Derek Car back)...Amari Cooper, as my top options for 2 WR spots.

 
Such a stud. I have such faith that Wentz has such faith in Ertz, that when Kuechly didn't come out for the 2nd half I immediately predicted another Ertz TD that quarter. Came sooner than I expected, though.

 
he's not really on pace for all that many more yards. 57 ypg in 2015, 58 ypg in 2016 and he's at 67 ypg this year.

that's a jump, but the cool thing about ertz' FF production is it's not like he's suddenly being forced the ball in an unsustainable way. he's just finally getting some scores.

those that got him in dynasty have to be feeling very positive about the outlook for the next few years.

 
he's not really on pace for all that many more yards. 57 ypg in 2015, 58 ypg in 2016 and he's at 67 ypg this year.

that's a jump, but the cool thing about ertz' FF production is it's not like he's suddenly being forced the ball in an unsustainable way. he's just finally getting some scores.

those that got him in dynasty have to be feeling very positive about the outlook for the next few years.
Right before the season began in my dynasty league I traded Reed and Doyle for Ertz and a 2019 First Round rookie pick  :thumbup:

 
he's not really on pace for all that many more yards. 57 ypg in 2015, 58 ypg in 2016 and he's at 67 ypg this year.

that's a jump, but the cool thing about ertz' FF production is it's not like he's suddenly being forced the ball in an unsustainable way. he's just finally getting some scores.

those that got him in dynasty have to be feeling very positive about the outlook for the next few years.
Very true about the great long term outlook. On the topic of the scores, though, I think there was another thread where people were trying to say he just isn't a TD scorer by using historical numbers with the hodge podge of QBs he's had. I think he's proving his ability there now that he's got a decent QB and a little rapport growing with said QB.

 

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