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TE Zach Ertz, WAS (1 Viewer)

zamboni said:
Kind of a bummer Bradford was traded, as he really seemed to have chemistry with Ertz.

Daniels/Wentz may still lean on Ertz given the poor WR situation, but I think this knocks down  Ertz's value and potential of moving closer to the upper tier of TEs.
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Agree, I view Ertz as biggest loser of this trade.

 
zamboni said:
Kind of a bummer Bradford was traded, as he really seemed to have chemistry with Ertz.

Daniels/Wentz may still lean on Ertz given the poor WR situation, but I think this knocks down  Ertz's value and potential of moving closer to the upper tier of TEs.
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I agree too. Had high hopes for Ertz this year, but I'm not so excited anymore.

 
Count me in the group who now has somewhat lowered expectations for Ertz post Bradford trade.  The early bye for Ertz coupled with the evolving backfield in Baltimore has me strongly considering just one TE on my roster, whereby I would drop Ertz and pick up Kenneth Dixon as a RB lottery ticket.   That would have me rolling the dice with Vance McDonald who looks to have Blaine Gabbert as his QB.  The two had chemistry late last year and the 49ers wr corp is one of the most uninspiring in the entire league, making McDonald appear to be a primary target for short to intermediate routes.  

Any way, it sucks that Ertz who looked to be on verge of a break out season at TE now finds himself having to take the field with a rookie FCS under center in Wentz.  I don't see Chase Daniels being handed the reins.  I don't see yet the any of the FBG professional projectors have yet lowered their forecast for Ertz.  He still is ranked circa #7-8 range which is where I drafted him at 9.02 in our 12 team ppr league last Saturday.

 
For those in dynasty leagues, while this may be a slight short-term downtick, I'm hopeful that it expedites the chemistry between Ertz and his franchise QB.  Get Bradford outta there and let's get this train rolling.

 
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Nice game from Ertz today, really all I wanted from my starting TE. 6 for 7 targets, 58 yards. Hopefully the TD's are there this season.

Looks like Wentz will definitely be servicable this year. Nice solid game from him, will only get better as the season progresses. Solid play-calling from Doug Pederson.

 
This sucks. Sounds like a 1-2 week injury and there's nothing on my wire. May just take the 0s rather than dropping anyone as Ertz is worth the wait.

 
oddsbodkins said:
This sucks. Sounds like a 1-2 week injury and there's nothing on my wire. May just take the 0s rather than dropping anyone as Ertz is worth the wait.
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this injury is a new one to me.  is there some recent comp that i'm forgetting about.  Typically when you hear week to week I think the guy is going to miss at least a month, but I have nothing to go with.

 
Anyone dropping Ertz for an Ebron or comparable? With the injury may be able to drop and pick back up in a couple weeks?

 
Is he worth keeping on roster or safe to drop and pick back up after bye? Could stash and drop VJax as a wr5.

 
GoBirds said:
Is he worth keeping on roster or safe to drop and pick back up after bye? Could stash and drop VJax as a wr5.
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I dropped him in one of my redrafts, but I'm pretty aggressive. The injury sounds like a month plus deal so I moved on and am gambling on Barnidge with McCown.

 
Wasn't he "upgraded" to doubtful? TE is so thin in my league I'm keeping him until further notice. He's just too good compared to what's available in most deep leagues. 

 
Cant imagine dropping him. Too talented. For as good as Matthews looked sunday. Ertz looked every bit as good. I remember people dropped Jordan Reed last year after an early injury too. 

 
packer_junkie said:
Katamine Dreams: He still going to be out until week 8??? 
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He might play. The area he injured is close to major vessels in the neck, so a quick return was/is unlikely. The concern is that the rib could be further displaced and do severe damage. They must feel it is not at increased risk of moving with further trauma. Surprising. 

 
Zach Ertz (ribs) said his MRI came back clear and he plans to play Week 5 against the Lions.
Ertz could not be coming back to a better situation. The Lions have already given up six touchdowns to tight ends this season including one to Zach Miller last week. Ertz will be a locked-in TE1. Oct 3 - 12:24 PM

Source: Reuben Frank on Twitter
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Ketamine Dreams said:
He might play. The area he injured is close to major vessels in the neck, so a quick return was/is unlikely. The concern is that the rib could be further displaced and do severe damage. They must feel it is not at increased risk of moving with further trauma. Surprising. 
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Only surprising thing is you thinking you knew more than NFL doctors who gave an exact timeframe that was met. O, and you spouting off about it on a message board. 

If he was at that much risk, I highly doubt he would be cleared. This is 2016. 

 
packer_junkie said:
Only surprising thing is you thinking you knew more than NFL doctors who gave an exact timeframe that was met. O, and you spouting off about it on a message board. 

If he was at that much risk, I highly doubt he would be cleared. This is 2016. 
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Except I am a doctor too. And I didn't 'spout off', I just stated it was unlikely he be cleared so soon given the injury. But nice try.

 
Hey man, congrats on being a doctor.

You were wrong, I was right. No nice try needed.

Eat crow. 

Moving on... cause you can't 

 
Refocusing a quickly derailing thread -- assuming Ertz is fully healthy, where do we think he nets out over ROS in this offense, and why? Top 10? Next tier or beyond? What are the risks and opportunities?

Just want to get a better idea where people think Ertz is as we approach byes and how Ertz stacks up to other options that may be in similar tiers (Julius Thomas, Walker, Zach Miller, Bennett, Brate, Ebron, etc.)

 
Sorry to derail it.... but I think he's really good. And wentz has an eye for him. I would guess top 5-6 but I could be bias.... 

 
Stompin' Tom Connors said:
Refocusing a quickly derailing thread -- assuming Ertz is fully healthy, where do we think he nets out over ROS in this offense, and why? Top 10? Next tier or beyond? What are the risks and opportunities?

Just want to get a better idea where people think Ertz is as we approach byes and how Ertz stacks up to other options that may be in similar tiers (Julius Thomas, Walker, Zach Miller, Bennett, Brate, Ebron, etc.)
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In a PPR league, I can easily see him being a Top 5 TE ROS. He caught 75 passes last season and went for 6-58 in his one game this year. Aside from Jordan Matthews, he should be Wentz's primary option in the receiving game and it's always talked up how rookies like going to TEs. Celek/Burton went 5-80 on 10 targets in Game 2 and Burton went 5-49-1 in Game 3 and tied for 2nd on the team with 7 targets.

 
theothervcruz said:
In a PPR league, I can easily see him being a Top 5 TE ROS. He caught 75 passes last season and went for 6-58 in his one game this year. Aside from Jordan Matthews, he should be Wentz's primary option in the receiving game and it's always talked up how rookies like going to TEs. Celek/Burton went 5-80 on 10 targets in Game 2 and Burton went 5-49-1 in Game 3 and tied for 2nd on the team with 7 targets.
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Good info/response, appreciate it. Like the data support, but do you really think he will outperform/is at the same tier as Gronk (when healthy), Kelce, Olsen, Graham (now that he's resurgent), and other guys who are getting tons of production (Reed/Rudolph)?

 
Stompin' Tom Connors said:
Good info/response, appreciate it. Like the data support, but do you really think he will outperform/is at the same tier as Gronk (when healthy), Kelce, Olsen, Graham (now that he's resurgent), and other guys who are getting tons of production (Reed/Rudolph)?
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I can see Ertz being Top 5 in PPR with a healthy Gronk, Olsen, Reed and a resurgent Graham rounding out the Top 5. I can see Ertz being better than Kelce because he is in a better pass offense. Rudolph is a monster right now and better ROS in a standard league but his TD production can't stay this high and I don't think he sees as many receptions/yards as Erz. I'd like to emphasize that I'm just saying I can see Ertz being Top 5. I can also see him being in that 6-9 range as well.

 
Stompin' Tom Connors said:
Refocusing a quickly derailing thread -- assuming Ertz is fully healthy, where do we think he nets out over ROS in this offense, and why? Top 10? Next tier or beyond? What are the risks and opportunities?

Just want to get a better idea where people think Ertz is as we approach byes and how Ertz stacks up to other options that may be in similar tiers (Julius Thomas, Walker, Zach Miller, Bennett, Brate, Ebron, etc.)
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Really hard to say. Kelce never quite got enough targets in KC, but that doesn't mean Pederson won't feed Ertz more than Reid fed Kelce. So far Ertz has only played one game with Wentz. He played 60/77 snaps and garnered 7/37 targets. In the next 2 games Wentz threw the ball even less despite missing his top RB, so that's not encouraging.

I like Ertz as a talent, but right now I'd temper expectations. I'd say a reasonable target expectation would be 6 per game. Can only do so much damage with 6 targets.

 
FF Ninja said:
Really hard to say. Kelce never quite got enough targets in KC, but that doesn't mean Pederson won't feed Ertz more than Reid fed Kelce. So far Ertz has only played one game with Wentz. He played 60/77 snaps and garnered 7/37 targets. In the next 2 games Wentz threw the ball even less despite missing his top RB, so that's not encouraging.

I like Ertz as a talent, but right now I'd temper expectations. I'd say a reasonable target expectation would be 6 per game. Can only do so much damage with 6 targets.
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Philly is definitely on the lower rung of passes at 34 a game, which would have them tied for 23rd with Tennessee.

One thing to consider is Wentz hasn't had to throw a lot. Game 1, the Eagles went up 22-10 midway in the 3rd and ran most of the time the rest of the way. Game 2, they were up 22-7 late in the 3rd after they had to go a whopping 2 yards for a TD thanks to an interception (TE Burton got that TD). Game 3, they whipped the Steelers to a 34-3 win. Thanks to these lopsided wins, they've been able to run the ball 32 times a game, which ranks 2nd behind Dallas. The defense has looked solid but they're not always going to face Cleveland and Chicago (and I'm sure everyone was surprised by the Steelers outcome). In games that are closer or they are even losing, we'll see Wentz unleash.

That said, I am encouraged that Wentz has shown a consistent willingness to throw to the TE. In those 3 games, he has targeted a TE 8, 8 and 10 times. Ertz was the 30th most targeted player last season on a per game basis and some of that showed Game 1 where Ertz got 7 of those 8 targets. He is a primary option and gets open. The QB is different but I still see him getting 7, maybe 8 targets a game and with an average of 10 to 11 yards per catch, he could be very very solid as a PPR TE.

 
theothervcruz said:
Philly is definitely on the lower rung of passes at 34 a game, which would have them tied for 23rd with Tennessee.

One thing to consider is Wentz hasn't had to throw a lot. Game 1, the Eagles went up 22-10 midway in the 3rd and ran most of the time the rest of the way. Game 2, they were up 22-7 late in the 3rd after they had to go a whopping 2 yards for a TD thanks to an interception (TE Burton got that TD). Game 3, they whipped the Steelers to a 34-3 win. Thanks to these lopsided wins, they've been able to run the ball 32 times a game, which ranks 2nd behind Dallas. The defense has looked solid but they're not always going to face Cleveland and Chicago (and I'm sure everyone was surprised by the Steelers outcome). In games that are closer or they are even losing, we'll see Wentz unleash.

That said, I am encouraged that Wentz has shown a consistent willingness to throw to the TE. In those 3 games, he has targeted a TE 8, 8 and 10 times. Ertz was the 30th most targeted player last season on a per game basis and some of that showed Game 1 where Ertz got 7 of those 8 targets. He is a primary option and gets open. The QB is different but I still see him getting 7, maybe 8 targets a game and with an average of 10 to 11 yards per catch, he could be very very solid as a PPR TE.
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I don't disagree with anything you said. And I didn't mean to come across all doom and gloom. I drafted Ertz in a lot of leagues with the hope he'd average 7.5 targets per game. I still think that's within reach, but at this point I can't say I've got a ton of confidence in that. Your point about game flow definitely gives me a little more hope. I hadn't really paid much attention to that aspect when I was glancing over those 3 games from Wentz. Right now I think the reasonable range of expectation would be 6-7.5 targets per game. Anything below that and I'll be super disappointed, anything above that and I'll be pleasantly surprised.

 
anyone rolling him out this week? looks like a good matchup..

 
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I need him too, down in one of my leagues and have to play him with Montgomery not being able to go for Green Bay today, hoping for atleast a TD

 
Time to drop? Hold? I want to let this guy go...but with the tight end position being so thin, it's hard to do.

What are some of you thinking right now?

And if you dropped him, for who? I am thinking Hooper with the Falcons or maybe take a flier on Ladarius Green, who could be solid, if he ever gets his butt on the field.

 
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