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Team accidental Drop, Reversal Allowed? (1 Viewer)

burnall

burnall

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Not to sure if this belongs in sharkpool or assistant section but i'm going to try it here

So a team this morning droped his RB1 attempting to pick up a defense, says his phone messed up, its quite obious that he wouldnt drop this player, and is now asking the league if we can have it reversed and drop his defense.

should this be allowed? (his faab is 4th highest)

i was thinkin we should allow it but take away all his FAAB.

 
It should be allowed. It's clearly just a phone error. Enforcing it is just nonsense since everyone knows this was just an innocent error.

No games played, no one prejudiced. No biggie.

 
if you think it was a mistake and he immediately acknowledged it, why take all his FAAB? as commish you have ability to do the right thing, if your other owners dont like it, they can feel free to leave later.

 
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We are all human.

Reverse it.

,,,and taking away his FAAB is a jerk idea.

Why not take his top 3 players?

That'll show him!!!

 
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We had a guy pull this like 4 times last year and it was the same guy each time. This year we put in a rule that all moves regardless of device are final, and it is up to the person making the transaction to verify before finalizing the transaction.

Kind of a hard line to tow, but when it is happening a bit it frustrates those that think there is a decent player out there to grab.

 
Winning IS Everything said:
We had a guy pull this like 4 times last year and it was the same guy each time. This year we put in a rule that all moves regardless of device are final, and it is up to the person making the transaction to verify before finalizing the transaction.

Kind of a hard line to tow, but when it is happening a bit it frustrates those that think there is a decent player out there to grab.
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Now that's fine.

1) If the same person keeps doing it, that's suspicious. Once is an accident, more than that and it just seems fishy

2) If there's a rule in place already and it happens, then sorry about your luck

But if there's no rule in place and this isn't a common thing with the owner, then I'd let is go for this time. But if the rest of the league has an issue, then make a rule for next season.

 
burnall said:
Not to sure if this belongs in sharkpool or assistant section but i'm going to try it here

So a team this morning droped his RB1 attempting to pick up a defense, says his phone messed up, its quite obious that he wouldnt drop this player, and is now asking the league if we can have it reversed and drop his defense.

should this be allowed? (his faab is 4th highest)

i was thinkin we should allow it but take away all his FAAB.
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we had similar issues earlier this year. We reverse as long as there's no real reason to think he meant to drop and then found out something later (such as dropping Rawls just to find out Lynch was on the injury report after the drop). Don't take the FAAB, just be consistent.

 
Let him keep his FAAB, but take his first-born son.

We had this happen a few years ago. A guy had two players with the same first name and accidentally dropped the stud instead of the stiff.

No one had a problem with fixing it.

 
Reversed. Thanks guys, This one guy in my Leagues being a real **** about it, complaining that it makes the league less serious ect, calling all kinds of BS.

but in all honesty this is the 1st place team that made the mistake, and his team is the second place team, i think hes just trying to improve his odds.

yeah it was all done in the last hour.

 
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burnall said:
Reversed. Thanks guys, This one guy in my Leagues being a real **** about it, complaining that it makes the league less serious ect, calling all kinds of BS.

but in all honesty this is the 1st place team that made the mistake, and his team is the second place team, i think hes just trying to improve his odds.

yeah it was all done in the last hour.
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Good call

 
Absolutely not. If someone doesn't know how to operate their phone without errors then they have no business playing fantasy football.

 
cstu said:
Absolutely not. If someone doesn't know how to operate their phone without errors then they have no business playing fantasy football.
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What if you're out of town, bad service etc? I have big paws, so on my phone sometimes it takes me a few tries. Obviously he wasnt going to drop his rb1 for a defense. Let's be real. Doing the right thing is appropriate.If he dropped his backup qb, and then found out Peyton manning was out, and wanted it reversed, yea obviously that smells funny.

 
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If it's clearly a mistake. like a stud RB for a kicker, you absolutely did the right thing. If it's something less obvius, say a struggling Sammy Watkins, then you take a stand. Maybe put in a rule with a moderate penalty (loss of a few FAAB, or a late draft pick the following season) for the first offense, but at some point a drop is a drop vs. a mistake being a clear mistake.

 
MattFancy said:
Winning IS Everything said:
We had a guy pull this like 4 times last year and it was the same guy each time. This year we put in a rule that all moves regardless of device are final, and it is up to the person making the transaction to verify before finalizing the transaction.

Kind of a hard line to tow, but when it is happening a bit it frustrates those that think there is a decent player out there to grab.
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Now that's fine.

1) If the same person keeps doing it, that's suspicious. Once is an accident, more than that and it just seems fishy

2) If there's a rule in place already and it happens, then sorry about your luck

But if there's no rule in place and this isn't a common thing with the owner, then I'd let is go for this time. But if the rest of the league has an issue, then make a rule for next season.
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Compromise short of penalizing everyone else's first such mistake because of this guy is to write the rule so that the commish will reverse erroneous transactions if reported promptly, but only once per owner. After your first mulligan, you take your chances.

 
It worries me that this needed a thread.

Moreso, that you are considering penalizing him, quite harshly, over an obvious mistake.

This hobby must stink for some ppl

 
burnall said:
Reversed. Thanks guys, This one guy in my Leagues being a real **** about it, complaining that it makes the league less serious ect, calling all kinds of BS.

but in all honesty this is the 1st place team that made the mistake, and his team is the second place team, i think hes just trying to improve his odds.

yeah it was all done in the last hour.
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:lmao: this is supposed to be fun.

 
Maybe it's about the realism. Fantasy sports should simulate the real thing, right? Look at this as the fantasy version of Denver not faxing a document in time, or that team that screwed up the IR rules and couldn't sign a guy they intended to.

Of course, to truly approach realism, we'd also need a mechanism for fans to lobby for the firing of fantasy owners who commit these sorts of errors.

 
Sometimes an event like this is necessary... so you can weed out the obvious #######s, like the 2nd place guy who is complaining.

Replace him with an owner who realizes this is fake football, meant to be fun.

Consider this a blessing.

 
This has happened in our league before and league policy is to double check everything. Once you hit the send button it is a done deal and can`t be reversed. There are 14 teams in our league. Every team takes responsibility, no team would even ask to reverse it.

 
yes, reverse it. It was obviously a mistake. I had an owner who somehow made three transactions just to pick up one guy. He added and dropped him 3 times within a minute. I adjusted it to only count as one waiver move since it was an obvious mistake clicking the wrong buttons repeatedly on his phone. You have to remember most of us play with friends, so obvious inadvertent mistakes should be corrected.

 
Yeah, i guess that one guy plays it for realism while the rest of us are playing it for fun, I mean i want to win as much as the next guy but imagine that happens to you, just ended your season over a stupid error. (its standard scoring so RB is boss) No Advantage was gained, it would completly change the entire season for 2 teams (the team that lost the RB and the team that picked him up) and then effect whoever faces them.

 
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FUBAR said:
burnall said:
Reversed. Thanks guys, This one guy in my Leagues being a real **** about it, complaining that it makes the league less serious ect, calling all kinds of BS.

but in all honesty this is the 1st place team that made the mistake, and his team is the second place team, i think hes just trying to improve his odds.

yeah it was all done in the last hour.
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:lmao: this is supposed to be fun.
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If anybody in our league complained about that, they wouldn't be invited back next year.

 
Rule with an iron fist. Funny thing is .... only "local/friends" leagues have these issues. I stopped playing them 4 years ago due to things just like this. Sketchy trades, constant complaining, accidental drops all make it such a pain. Play FPC and you will not have these issues.

 
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Joe Summer said:
burnall said:
Yeah, i guess that one guy plays it for realism while the rest of us are playing it for fun
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Tell the guy who "plays it for realism" that there's no real-life NFL equivalent of having a phone app select the wrong player.
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The mistake was made because the individual was clearly careless and didn't pay close attention to things. I would tell him tough luck ....... maybe if he paid closer attention to the league and people he was picking up/dropping this wouldn't happen.

 
ImTheScientist said:
Joe Summer said:
burnall said:
Yeah, i guess that one guy plays it for realism while the rest of us are playing it for fun
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Tell the guy who "plays it for realism" that there's no real-life NFL equivalent of having a phone app select the wrong player.
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The mistake was made because the individual was clearly careless and didn't pay close attention to things. I would tell him tough luck ....... maybe if he paid closer attention to the league and people he was picking up/dropping this wouldn't happen.
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He needs to pay more attention to the league? So adding/dropping players isn't paying attention?

 
If league rules say that accidental drops are not allowed then the guy is screwed because thats what everyone agreed on by playing in the league.

Otherwise if there is no reason to suspect manipulation ,which is the case here , it needs to be reversed as its an obvious mistake that was brought to the commissioner's attention shortly after the event.

In one league (MFL) I traded for a player and went to place him on my taxi squad but instead hit the box next to it which was the drop box,

The league commissioner picked him up within 20 minutes of the drop. I didn't notice the error for a few hours but the commish was cool and reversed the transaction,

 
MattFancy said:
ImTheScientist said:
Joe Summer said:
burnall said:
Yeah, i guess that one guy plays it for realism while the rest of us are playing it for fun
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Tell the guy who "plays it for realism" that there's no real-life NFL equivalent of having a phone app select the wrong player.
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The mistake was made because the individual was clearly careless and didn't pay close attention to things. I would tell him tough luck ....... maybe if he paid closer attention to the league and people he was picking up/dropping this wouldn't happen.
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He needs to pay more attention to the league? So adding/dropping players isn't paying attention?
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Some people take being commish and FF way too seriouslyThere comes a point where you ruin the integrity of your league, burn bridges and piss people off. Spirit of the law vs the letter of the law. Being a fair commish is not just pointing to the rule book and saying too bad so sad. It's doing the right thing to preserve the integrity of the league. Dropping a rb1 has huge implications on your league

 
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Dr. Brew said:
MattFancy said:
ImTheScientist said:
Joe Summer said:
burnall said:
Yeah, i guess that one guy plays it for realism while the rest of us are playing it for fun
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Tell the guy who "plays it for realism" that there's no real-life NFL equivalent of having a phone app select the wrong player.
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The mistake was made because the individual was clearly careless and didn't pay close attention to things. I would tell him tough luck ....... maybe if he paid closer attention to the league and people he was picking up/dropping this wouldn't happen.
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He needs to pay more attention to the league? So adding/dropping players isn't paying attention?
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Some people take being commish and FF way too seriouslyThere comes a point where you ruin the integrity of your league, burn bridges and piss people off. Spirit of the law vs the letter of the law. Being a fair commish is not just pointing to the rule book and saying too bad so sad. It's doing the right thing to preserve the integrity of the league. Dropping a rb1 has huge implications on your league
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No, they just take getting a rise out of people over fake football too seriously. This happens like once a year in nearly every league I'm in.

 
Example of a situation I was in this year: I was up at the family cabin in the north woods of WI. I had crappy data service. I had won a claim for Benjamin while I was gone. I was able to get onto my league and tried to start him. I tried twice. Because of poor data it literally took me like 30-45 minutes for the two tries. I texted my commish letting him know I was out of town but please make sure Benjamin is starting. He said no problem.

He could have done what some on here suggest and said, too bad learn how to use your phone or go drive two hours south to get reliable data coverage, or not my problem. Instead he said okay and agreed to make the change for me if it didn't go through. It did go through and everything was fine. But that's the difference between a commish I want to be in a league with and a commish I don't want to be in a league with.

Another example, I am in a family league which includes a cousin who is mentally delayed. The commish is his brother. The commish will make weekly adjustments to his roster and players because the owner, who is delayed, is confused when making changes. He knows who he wants to play and who he wants to pick up, but the technological side of it he gets mixed up. Should I say, well he's not capable of figuring it out then he deserves to lose each week?

Smh...

 
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Bozo said:
Dr. Brew said:
Dr. Brew, on 18 Nov 2015 - 11:18 AM, said:
Soulfly3 said:
Soulfly3, on 18 Nov 2015 - 11:06 AM, said:It worries me that this needed a thread.

Moreso, that you are considering penalizing him, quite harshly, over an obvious mistake.

This hobby must stink for some ppl
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Some leagues are very serious, others are just a hobby or fun type leagues.
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Always mention this, but in 2 VERY serious leagues w the same 11 guys for the past god knows how long (dynasty and redraft)

All friends, but we are vicious as all hell w this... Bragging rights etc.

Not one of us would even fathom not reversing this. It's just a plain **** move and has no place in a league. It's 110% evident it was a mistake There is probably no logic you can conjure up to make it anything else unless there is zero bench spots and you HAVE to start a kicker or get zero. I dunno.

Serious league doesnt mean you have to take a giant #### on the spirit of the game just because.

 
Let me guess, ESPN? This almost happened to me when I was offering a deal yesterday. I was trying to offer Amari Cooper for Blount and, for whatever reason, everytime i tapped on Cooper, it would put in Gronk. When I went on my laptop, it was fine.

 
Deranged Hermit said:
Let me guess, ESPN? This almost happened to me when I was offering a deal yesterday. I was trying to offer Amari Cooper for Blount and, for whatever reason, everytime i tapped on Cooper, it would put in Gronk. When I went on my laptop, it was fine.
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This is YOUR fault tho.

Next time, program your own app and use it, so this event won't be an issue.

 
cstu said:
Absolutely not. If someone doesn't know how to operate their phone without errors then they have no business playing fantasy football.
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A few months ago, my iPhone started acting wonky, switching between apps without my finger tapping on them. Once, it actually pulled up my ESPN FF app and scrolled through available players and attempted to add someone, I forget who.

It was creepy as hell.

So I googled the problem and discovered there's a thing called "ghost typing" which is really just the term for "my iphone screen is messed up." I had to make a Genius Bar appointment and they replaced the phone free of charge because it's a known problem. Their screens sometimes breakdown.

Anyway, point is: I can see someone accidentally dropping someone on a touchscreen phone. If you're on a laptop, no excuse. But it's possible to make mistakes on a touchscreen. Golden Rule: do onto others, etc. If it happened to you, you'd want a reversal.

Reverse it.

 
Its a home League BTW, with Friends, every year we get a few newbies in, but this mistake was made by the season vet. It could happen to anyone, and I dont think i'm going to re-invite the guy that complained, hes always making trouble for me, complaining about stupid things.. a shame though hes a good player.

 
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