Team doesn't submit lineup - how would you handle it? (1 Viewer)

[spOOfy]

This situation came up in a 1st year dynasty. I am not the Commish in this league, the Co-Commishes decided one of the 3 options in the poll and many owners then chimed in. They are sticking with their decision, and the league is not voting on how to handle this particular situation, despite protest from several owners (none of whom was involved in the game). But we will vote in the offseason on how to handle in the future.

Anyway, a team thought he submitted a lineup, but did not. His lineup had 2 bye week players in it. Despite that, he still scored enough to defeat his opponent. However, we are using MyFantasyLeague, and the system (as set by the Commish) does not use your previous lineup for this week. In other words, when the games started on Sunday, this team had no lineup.

The rules state that "Each team will be responsible to put their own lineup in through the website each week, unless otherwise discussed with the commissioner. If a team has to submit a roster to the commissioner, the roster must be submitted by midnight Saturday."

After it was realized, the Commishes conferred and decided on a course of action. I disagree with that action (and it does not affect me at all).

If it matters to you, the team is a playoff contender and a points contender (both get money), so he was not intentionally throwing his game. In addition, the team he faced is a playoff contender.

 

[spOOfy]

If possible, please post your rationale for your vote. I don't want to influence the voting by saying what the Commishes decided to do and what I would've preferred. To be honest, I'm fine with 2 of the options, but completely disagree with 1 of them - the one they chose.

 

[Saints-Man]

Did the owner give a reason? Look, if he had some computer malfunction, then it is reasonable to take his last week's lineup. If he was just goofing off and didn't do it, then is a different matter.

 

[Wu-banger]

goes to last weeks lineup .... if he wins he wins .

if it happens twice in the same season he is booted from the league/

 

[spOOfy]

Did the owner give a reason? Look, if he had some computer malfunction, then it is reasonable to take his last week's lineup. If he was just goofing off and didn't do it, then is a different matter.

The only information I have is that, he "thought that he submitted a lineup this past week (for week 9), but it did not post". I don't know if it was computer-related or not. But it shouldn't make a difference, should it?If his team had no bye players or injuries, and he still wanted to keep it the same, but didn't go in and submit it again, the system would give him NO LINEUP. We'd still be deciding how to handle it.I will say this - 4 or 5 owners responded and said they assumed that lineups from last week are defaulted to start until you change them. When you login to submit your roster, your previous lineup is listed in bold. That made me think that was my lineup until I changed it.

 

[hokieboy]

He's a grown man, his team is his own responsibility.

 

[spOOfy]

if it happens twice in the same season he is booted from the league/

Yep, that is stated in the rules.

 

[Da Guru]

Whats site hosts your league?

 

[spOOfy]

He's a grown man, his team is his own responsibility.

I assume from this you think he should get zero points, which of course also means a loss.

 

[spOOfy]

Whats site hosts your league?

MyFantasyLeague. I inquired about why the system doesn't take last week's lineup and was informed that that particular option is turned off.

 

[glock]

Just another reason to make sure you have your league rules all thought through before you roll.

My $$ league states that last weeks lineup- for better or worse- gets the start in the event of an owners failure to submit one.

 

[spOOfy]

Just another reason to make sure you have your league rules all thought through before you roll.My $$ league states that last weeks lineup- for better or worse- gets the start in the event of an owners failure to submit one.

I agree. The rules are pretty thorough, but the specifics of how to handle this particular situation were not addressed. The rules do state that each owner is responsible for submitting his lineup on the site each week (and by phone in Saturday night), but it doesn't say what happens if you don't. Many assume last week's lineup carries over (I've never been in a league that doesn't). And, the system seems to indicate (by bolding your previous lineup), that your previous lineup is submitted until you change it.

 

[Road Warriors]

I voted for last weeks lineup goes, and he gets the W if thats how it falls. From what I've seen here, it is unlikely this was a deliberate or malicious ommission, as he'd be hurting himself.

I'm guessing that, since he is a contender for both the points title and post season, that the discussion has centered around punishing the team with a loss. I wonder if the league arguments would be different if this was a last place team and faced a bubble playoff team...

Life's too short, and this is supposed to be fun. I'd submit last weeks lineup & move on. I'd also reset the lineup submission rules to default in last weeks lineup, and clarify the league rules in the offseason.

 

[spOOfy]

Okay, this post is buried enough now that it shouldn't matter too much...

The Commishes decided to give him whatever points his previous lineup would've gotten him; however, they gave him a loss, even though those points were enough to win. They went with option 3 - which I think makes no sense at all. Either he has a lineup or he doesn't.

My opinion is that he gets the lineup and the win - but if they want to take the hard line and say you get no lineup and zero points, I could respect that decision. They both make sense.

But this compromise option (that has received no votes so far), has many owners scratching their heads.

 

[belljr]

It%2

 

[Saints-Man]

Did the owner give a reason? Look, if he had some computer malfunction, then it is reasonable to take his last week's lineup. If he was just goofing off and didn't do it, then is a different matter.

The only information I have is that, he "thought that he submitted a lineup this past week (for week 9), but it did not post". I don't know if it was computer-related or not. But it shouldn't make a difference, should it?If his team had no bye players or injuries, and he still wanted to keep it the same, but didn't go in and submit it again, the system would give him NO LINEUP. We'd still be deciding how to handle it.I will say this - 4 or 5 owners responded and said they assumed that lineups from last week are defaulted to start until you change them. When you login to submit your roster, your previous lineup is listed in bold. That made me think that was my lineup until I changed it.

Sorry, I wasn't clear in my previous post. If he was dumping his team and that is why he did not submit a lineup, give him the 0. But it appears that he made a good faith effort to submit a lineup, last week's lineup should be allowed.You need to remember to bring it up at next year's draft to make sure it is handled.

 

[belljr]

It's either 1 or 2. The last option is dumb IMO.

I've been running a league for about 14 years now and prior to using a web it was all phone calls, newspaper box scores etc.

We would always carry over the prior lineup. Now we have rules in place just in case and with the website it's easy it just carries over.

I could argue either side of ZERO point or Carry the lineup over.

Since it's a first year league first occurrence of this issue I vote to carry over the previous lineup - you win you win.

My .02 spoof

 

[Saints-Man]

Okay, this post is buried enough now that it shouldn't matter too much...

The Commishes decided to give him whatever points his previous lineup would've gotten him; however, they gave him a loss, even though those points were enough to win. They went with option 3 - which I think makes no sense at all. Either he has a lineup or he doesn't.

My opinion is that he gets the lineup and the win - but if they want to take the hard line and say you get no lineup and zero points, I could respect that decision. They both make sense.

But this compromise option (that has received no votes so far), has many owners scratching their heads.

I agree. That makes no sense.

 

[Bad Moon]

Option 1 seems like "all in fair play" even though not technically following the letter of the rules.

Option 2 (the option I chose) follows the rules to the letter.

Option 3 is an arbitrary invention and makes one question whether the Co-Commish's had an interest in the outcome of that game.

So basically I agree with you. They pulled that one straight out of their be-hinds.

 

[MOAT]

Option 1 seems like "all in fair play" even though not technically following the letter of the rules.

Option 2 (the option I chose) follows the rules to the letter.

Option 3 is an arbitrary invention and makes one question whether the Co-Commish's had an interest in the outcome of that game.

So basically I agree with you. They pulled that one straight out of their be-hinds.

One thing is clear to me, your commishes stink. Not a good start to a dynasty league. #1 should be enforced and the option to default in last week's lineup should be turned on.

Most of my leagues use the "intent of the rule" to resolve strange issues like this.

This is a turning point in the league. Is it a "letter of the law" or "intent of the rules" league. #3 is a "how we feel" league which is the worst possible league to be in.

 

[Nate]

Your commish made a horrible rule, first of all. Why do I have to put LT in a starting position every week, you should be able to just leave him there and swap him out on his bye.

That said, that's the rules and you've got to play by them don't you? It's a horrible rule but you've got a full week to set your lineup and I always say there's NO excuse for not setting your lineup. It takes 2 minutes and you've got all week.

 

[spOOfy]

Enough complaining to the Commishes has opened the issue up for a vote. These are 2 good guys. Let me be clear - they chose this option in an effort to be as fair as possible. I disagree with how they went about it, and they are good enough to offer it up to the league for consideration. And in doing so, they are only presenting options 1 & 2.

 

[elshagon]

solve the problem next year by enabling the option in MFL to start last weeks starters if a line-up isn't submitted. I don't see why you have to submit a line-up if you have no changes to make.

 

[kbleck]

What about if someone submits a lineup but forgets to put in the kicker in the lineup. They only have 1 kicker on their roster but they just forgot to check the box for their kicker.

Give them the points for the kicker or Tough, learn how to submit a lineup