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Joe T
Footballguy
I didn't say I liked it, I just said it may be the best of some undesirable moves here. All it does is start to pressure his pawn structure in the center. But like I said, I couldn't find anything wrong with Qd2 either.
Sand
Footballguy
Joe T
Footballguy
Black
I didn't like Qxa2 because I think it weakens our defense.
Qxa2
13.Rb3 Qa1+
14.Kf2 h6?
It just looks like our queen is buried in the corner and no longer able to help defend the king which we need. To me we are much stronger keeping the queen and dark square bishop working together.
There is so much pressure right now on f6 and to some extent d6 I don't like to see us with one less defender.
I didn't like Qxa2 because I think it weakens our defense.
Qxa2
13.Rb3 Qa1+
14.Kf2 h6?
It just looks like our queen is buried in the corner and no longer able to help defend the king which we need. To me we are much stronger keeping the queen and dark square bishop working together.
There is so much pressure right now on f6 and to some extent d6 I don't like to see us with one less defender.
Joe T
Footballguy
I love our position as white.What? As white here we're in the equivalent of Ibiza and you act like we're in Fargo.
Sand
Footballguy
For white, how about
Nd7 g5 Nd7 clears out the f pawn to move up. A strong move.
Bg3 Bh6
a4
That will open up their king side pretty well. From there we can go Qc2, O-O-O, etc. then the king side pawn storm. I can also see Nd7 moving to f1, then g3 to continue that attack. But I like the ability to remove the cap off of the king there.
Nd7 g5 Nd7 clears out the f pawn to move up. A strong move.
Bg3 Bh6
a4
That will open up their king side pretty well. From there we can go Qc2, O-O-O, etc. then the king side pawn storm. I can also see Nd7 moving to f1, then g3 to continue that attack. But I like the ability to remove the cap off of the king there.
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Sand
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Sand
Footballguy
Yes - chase that bishop off the diagonal that goes right in front of our king. He has great position there and we'd be much better off if he can't threaten a protected move to those two dark squares. The IMO, we play with the queen and take another pawn from him and from there can put a lot of pressure on his d4 knight.
pizzatyme
Footballguy
I agree with this line.
Sand
Footballguy
I see g5 as the most likely move from them next no matter what we move. I have no big objection to Qd2. Only negative is it limits the movement of our king side knight. I see it as fairly comparable to Nd2. I'll vote Qd2 here. That's two. Third?
2 votes h6. Do we have a third?
pizzatyme
Footballguy
I don't think they go Nc6 as we can go NxNc6. But they can go Nxe6 and we have to move something to d7 and then they go Nc7+ and win the rook.
Sand
Footballguy
Bg4, then h4 He can't get a knight and a bishop protecting g5, as we'll take the bishop with the rook. I still like Qd2, though.
Making those moves - we have three on each.
Sand
Footballguy
Maybe they just don't have the courage to hit the resign button?
Wanted to add, that in our white game I was playing with our Qd2 move and it led me to the conclusion that it likely hampers our king side attack a bit, but opens up a pretty strong queen side attack, should we decide to move that way. The queen side knight, rook, and queen can put some substantial pressure over on that side.
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pizzatyme
Footballguy
We should start reviewing their possible responses and immediately move after they do. LOL
MIND BLOWN!
Sand
Footballguy
And they are pretty closed in. Nb5 should be on the list of options for the next white turn.
Sand
Footballguy
O has finally moved in our white game - c6. Didn't see that move. Let the lines begin.
Still waiting on the other.
Sand
Footballguy
dxc6 is poor - opens up the d4 outpost for their knight.
b4 does a couple things very nicely - it puts pressure on c5 in case they want to advance the pawn there and it keeps the Qa5 move off the books. Nothing wrong with that. So what does O do after we move b4? g5?
O-O-O should be considered as it will double up on the d row. The likely response here is Qa5.
g5 leads to an interesting set of take and retake that leaves our bishop on g5 in a very good spot and leaves room to advance the h pawn down their throats. It preempts the Qa5 move as it demands a prompt response as g5xf6 opens up a world of hurt for them.
Right now I'd rank them:
g5
b4
O-O-O
It's late, though, so will have to belay deep analysis until morning.
I agree with pizza that he probably responds to g5 with f5. After that, I don't think that either of us wants to initiate the e4/f5 pawn exchange, so it just mucks up the area.
I like b4 over O-O-O
One other option would be Na4, planning on going c4 next to trigger a pawn exchange and get our knight in better position. It also blocks Qa5. If he responds with c5, we'd probably go b4 and get our queen into play on that side.
I like b4 over O-O-O
One other option would be Na4, planning on going c4 next to trigger a pawn exchange and get our knight in better position. It also blocks Qa5. If he responds with c5, we'd probably go b4 and get our queen into play on that side.
pizzatyme
Footballguy
I second it.
spOOfy
Footballguy
finally caught up enough to give some input! sorry, last week was crazy for me, i barely got our last move into the game in time. anyway, for each move, i tried to think what i would do before checking in here.
for white, i thought of going o-o-o, mostly just because i'm not sure what else to do. the pawn exchange is there, just not sure if it makes sense. i look forward to seeing what others have posted for this game.
for black, i think g5 is the way to go
for white, i thought of going o-o-o, mostly just because i'm not sure what else to do. the pawn exchange is there, just not sure if it makes sense. i look forward to seeing what others have posted for this game.
for black, i think g5 is the way to go
spOOfy
Footballguy
Sand
Footballguy
Sand
Footballguy
I think with our white game it is important to understand what O is trying to do with c6. It opens up Qb6, Qa5. It disallows Nb5, which may be the primary reason for it. I'd love to see the queen move out there and it is the anchor in the middle. So something along those lines:
Nh2 Qb6
b3 Bd7
f4
Then options like
g5
fxg5 fxg5
Bxg5 Nxg5
Qxg5
exf5
Qxf5 Qc7
Nf3 (or O-O)
but what if they respond
Bh6? then we lose our hold our there:
Qd1 g5
Bg3
I'm kinda back to b4.
Nh2 Qb6
b3 Bd7
f4
Then options like
g5
fxg5 fxg5
Bxg5 Nxg5
Qxg5
exf5
Qxf5 Qc7
Nf3 (or O-O)
but what if they respond
Bh6? then we lose our hold our there:
Qd1 g5
Bg3
I'm kinda back to b4.
Joe T
Footballguy
I don't really like backing up and giving up squares that we've advanced on unless absolutely necessary.
I like b4 best so far. b4 actually continues the plan of pushing queen side which appears optimal. Continuing to push where O is weak(er) seems like a better strategy.
still looking though.
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Sand
Footballguy
Joe asked for another move. So here is one - Rh2. If we move b4:
B4. Bh6
G5 fxg5
Bxg5. Bxg5
Nxg5 Nxg5
Qxg5 Rxf2
This situation applies in particular if we castle queen side -then we expose ourselves to a pin on the queen there. The Rh 2 is an interstitial prevention move that will keep us from dislodging the queen or from losing that f pawn. I don't like ceding that dark diagonal to black and frankly nothing that his queen does on the queen side scares me much right now. We do lose the ability to castle king side but I'm not sure that is prudent with us pushing the g and h pawns as we will be, anyway.
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