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Teams Sleeping during Free Agency (1 Viewer)

prymetyme25

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I'll start with the Houston Texans:

They do this every year. They wait till all the top free agents are signed then they sign a bunch of no names and strut them out on the field and wonder why the team still sux. I'm not saying that you have to spend all your money but man spend something. For a team with so many holes the sure are sitting back like Houston is the place to be and all the FAs are gonna want to came here. Sign somebody!!!!

I apologized if this seems like a rant but is anyone else feeling like this about their team?

 
I'll start with the Houston Texans:They do this every year. They wait till all the top free agents are signed then they sign a bunch of no names and strut them out on the field and wonder why the team still sux. I'm not saying that you have to spend all your money but man spend something. For a team with so many holes the sure are sitting back like Houston is the place to be and all the FAs are gonna want to came here. Sign somebody!!!!I apologized if this seems like a rant but is anyone else feeling like this about their team?
theyre not asleep :D they released their #2 WR :heart:
 
We need:

1. CB (2 already signed Clements, Smoot)

2. Safeties

3. WR (bennett and Curtis) gone

4. RB

5. DE

6. DT

and they are just sitting on their hands :thumbdown:

 
I realize people like to get fired up about getting a good FA, but step back a bit and tell me the last time a Free Agent other then Adam Vinateri was as good or better with his new team compared to his last. For every Drew Brees, there are 5 Drew Bledsoe's. FOr every Mushin Muhammed, there is a Nate Burleson.

The vast majority of FA's may still be good, but rarely justify the size of their contracts, which are based on prior performance.

I would rather my team develop it's own young talent and use FAs to fill holes . Trying to find an impact FA is VERY difficult.

 
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With the money some of these stiffs are getting, I'd rather have my team sit out.

I'm fine with the Raiders signing their own guys long term, I just wish Asomougha had been extended before Clements' deal.

Considering FA is about 36 hours old, I think I'll hold off on criticizing any one team. But is it better to overpay for a FA, than not be involved? We knew it was going to be an offseason of overpaying certain players. A weak FA class, and an unprecedented amount of cap room is an ugly combination.

Consider how amazing Steve Hutchinson's deal was last year. Now Dennis Dockery and Dielman are getting those type deal? Leonard Davis is looking for 23 mill in guarantees? Langston Walker got 10 mill to sign?

I know it can be frustrating to see no activity from your favorite team, but running through the mall as soon as the stores open, waving your credit card around, is no way to build a winner. Ask any Pats fan. They've forgotten that the last 24 hours, but it was a common mantra just a few days ago. :thumbdown:

 
With the money some of these stiffs are getting, I'd rather have my team sit out. I'm fine with the Raiders signing their own guys long term, I just wish Asomougha had been extended before Clements' deal.Considering FA is about 36 hours old, I think I'll hold off on criticizing any one team. But is it better to overpay for a FA, than not be involved? We knew it was going to be an offseason of overpaying certain players. A weak FA class, and an unprecedented amount of cap room is an ugly combination.Consider how amazing Steve Hutchinson's deal was last year. Now Dennis Dockery and Dielman are getting those type deal? Leonard Davis is looking for 23 mill in guarantees? Langston Walker got 10 mill to sign?I know it can be frustrating to see no activity from your favorite team, but running through the mall as soon as the stores open, waving your credit card around, is no way to build a winner. Ask any Pats fan. They've forgotten that the last 24 hours, but it was a common mantra just a few days ago. :thumbdown:
I hear what you and Colin are saying but dont go out and sign a bunch of scrubs and try to get us all excited about it. All i'm saying is dont piss on my back and tell me its raining.
 
Not to sound crass, but you are also assuming some of these guys WANT to come to Houston. SOmetimes it's not just about money. Bad teams have to REALLY overpay for FAs. Not piling on, but the Texans have done some shopping in the past (Robaire Smith, Eric MOulds, Rosenfels) and the results are still abismal. WHy would anyone play for the Texans if they can get even remotely similar money elsewhere?

THe whole, "things are changing....you come here and you'll be part of something special!" line doesn't carry as much weight when you've had to use it for the last 5 years on everyone who stops by.

 
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I'll start with the Houston Texans:They do this every year. They wait till all the top free agents are signed then they sign a bunch of no names and strut them out on the field and wonder why the team still sux. I'm not saying that you have to spend all your money but man spend something. For a team with so many holes the sure are sitting back like Houston is the place to be and all the FAs are gonna want to came here. Sign somebody!!!!I apologized if this seems like a rant but is anyone else feeling like this about their team?
No, I don't believe in spending money just to spend it. Who did you want them to sign and for how much?
 
Teams that rush out of the gate and sign people generally overpay and take more of a gamble. While it's not always a bad thing it's risky. I'm fine with the Eagles sitting back. Not like they need a whole lot anyway.

 
I'll start with the Houston Texans:They do this every year. They wait till all the top free agents are signed then they sign a bunch of no names and strut them out on the field and wonder why the team still sux. I'm not saying that you have to spend all your money but man spend something. For a team with so many holes the sure are sitting back like Houston is the place to be and all the FAs are gonna want to came here. Sign somebody!!!!I apologized if this seems like a rant but is anyone else feeling like this about their team?
No, I don't believe in spending money just to spend it. Who did you want them to sign and for how much?
At least make a run for clements. Or at the very least sign lelie or something.
 
We need:1. CB (2 already signed Clements, Smoot)2. Safeties3. WR (bennett and Curtis) gone4. RB 5. DE6. DTand they are just sitting on their hands :thumbdown:
As a Texans fan, you have several problems. 1- The Texans were in the bottom 1/3 or so of team with cap space.2- Your team history is not very good/not close going to the playoffs3- You have needs at nearly every position grouping4- You have only a couple of star players.Essentially, the Texans don't have a winning tradition so they are going to have to overpay to get players, but have massive holes. So do you spent tons of money resolving one or two needs? or do try to spend less but have the money cover more? Honestly, you rally want to pick your spots with high tfree agents, until then you probably want to become better at finding lower players at good prices while drafting and developing your personnel better. Wish I better news for you.
 
I am all for some modicum of conservative FA shopping, but the Jets are really wasting some chances here. It isn't too late to improve the team, and they do have pretty good cap space to work with, but so far these signings have been crazy money. I do wish they had at least ONE signing to talk about however, there are some decent RB's out there that could help, and the team has NO RT at all as of now. A Thomas would have been nice, and Porter is still out there, but I don't think the Jets will go after Joey either.

I expect to see trash signings... Na'il Diggs, Peter Sirmon.... guys like the trash they signed last year, Kassel, Chatham. Once in a while, you have to write a freakin check, and watch.... Dillon, a 33 year old washed up RB will be the guy they go get. I hope I'm wrong....

 
I am all for some modicum of conservative FA shopping, but the Jets are really wasting some chances here. It isn't too late to improve the team, and they do have pretty good cap space to work with, but so far these signings have been crazy money. I do wish they had at least ONE signing to talk about however, there are some decent RB's out there that could help, and the team has NO RT at all as of now. A Thomas would have been nice, and Porter is still out there, but I don't think the Jets will go after Joey either.

I expect to see trash signings... Na'il Diggs, Peter Sirmon.... guys like the trash they signed last year, Kassel, Chatham. Once in a while, you have to write a freakin check, and watch.... Dillon, a 33 year old washed up RB will be the guy they go get. I hope I'm wrong....
As a Leon Washington Dynasty Owner this is what I'm hoping for!!!
 
Teams that rush out of the gate and sign people generally overpay and take more of a gamble. While it's not always a bad thing it's risky. I'm fine with the Eagles sitting back. Not like they need a whole lot anyway.
The Patriots are ususally the same way...not this year though...three signings in 36 hours, with another offer out there.I think the loss in the AFC championship has motivated them some. :bag: I've been happy with the signings so far...They are definitely making up for not shopping the Free Agent Market last year!
 
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Every single signing looks horrible in FA right now. I love seeing teams make fools of themselves early in FA.

Result?

You see Lavar Arrington cut one year after he was signed; you see Fred Smoot cut a few years after he was signed; you see Edge Hartwell cut a few years after he was signed; you see Archuleta being overpaid to sit on the bench etc etc

Why be this stupid and not extend your own players before they hit the market to actually be continuously competitive is beyond me?

How is Nate Clements going to help when you have no pass rush, 49ers?

How is Dockery and Langston Walker worth that kind of money?

How is getting Fred Smoot again going to help, Skins when you have no pass rush? Oh wait, you did sign the great Andre Carter to a stupid contract so that he would give you a pass rush.

Just pure stupidity. Teams that can find players in the drfat that MEET their schemes and then go and sign value in FA are the ones that find sustained success. I love what the Bears are doing - keep it up Jerry. Focus on signing Briggs, Tillman, Vasher, Tommie Harris, Berrian and Grossman. Screw this FA.

 
I can tell you AZ fans are going to blow a fuse if the Cards don't start getting active...re-signing Shipp isn't going to cut it when you're well under the cap, and when taxpayers just gave the Bidwill's millions of dollars.

 
I can tell you AZ fans are going to blow a fuse if the Cards don't start getting active...re-signing Shipp isn't going to cut it when you're well under the cap, and when taxpayers just gave the Bidwill's millions of dollars.
Who would you have them sign? I think Dan WIlkinson would have been a good grab for Arizona....
 
Yeah, a lot of FA signings don't work, but many others do. Brees, London Fletcher, Antonio Pierce, Rodney Harrison, Mush, Terry Glenn... lots of 'em. Arrington, well that was just stupidty... a guy like Abraham with an injury history. Porter and A Thomas will be well worth the $ they sign for. Clements won't be. The O linemen are getting overpaid, but that isn't really true anymore, given the new cap space teams have. These quality FA's will always get over paid somewhat, but a solid signing is just that, a solid signing.

I'm sitting here watching the Jets do nothing, and from what I can figure, they have another 10 mil that they HAVE to spend to meet the CBA requirement. P-ss it away on guys like Dillon, Diggs, Sirmon instead of an A Thomas?

Watch what the Pats have done, because they always get it right. THIS year, they opened the checkbook for quality upgrades. Teams that sat on their hands will pay the price. The new and ever rising salary cap has changed the ground rules for success in this league, and once again, it's the Pats who know what to do with it.

 
Yeah, a lot of FA signings don't work, but many others do. Brees, London Fletcher, Antonio Pierce, Rodney Harrison, Mush, Terry Glenn... lots of 'em. Arrington, well that was just stupidty... a guy like Abraham with an injury history. Porter and A Thomas will be well worth the $ they sign for. Clements won't be. The O linemen are getting overpaid, but that isn't really true anymore, given the new cap space teams have. These quality FA's will always get over paid somewhat, but a solid signing is just that, a solid signing. I'm sitting here watching the Jets do nothing, and from what I can figure, they have another 10 mil that they HAVE to spend to meet the CBA requirement. P-ss it away on guys like Dillon, Diggs, Sirmon instead of an A Thomas? Watch what the Pats have done, because they always get it right. THIS year, they opened the checkbook for quality upgrades. Teams that sat on their hands will pay the price. The new and ever rising salary cap has changed the ground rules for success in this league, and once again, it's the Pats who know what to do with it.
Amen I hate when people kissed the Pats ### but they just seem to get it right everytime.
 
Placing the first 48 hours in perspectiveper profootballtalk.com

ONLY 12 TEAMS HAVE SIGNED FREE AGENTSThrough nearly two days of free-agency activity, only 12 of the 32 NFL teams have signed a player who spent 2006 with a different team.To monitor all of the signings, be sure to check out our 2007 Free Agency Movement tracker.
 
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I am all for some modicum of conservative FA shopping, but the Jets are really wasting some chances here. It isn't too late to improve the team, and they do have pretty good cap space to work with, but so far these signings have been crazy money. I do wish they had at least ONE signing to talk about however, there are some decent RB's out there that could help, and the team has NO RT at all as of now. A Thomas would have been nice, and Porter is still out there, but I don't think the Jets will go after Joey either. I expect to see trash signings... Na'il Diggs, Peter Sirmon.... guys like the trash they signed last year, Kassel, Chatham. Once in a while, you have to write a freakin check, and watch.... Dillon, a 33 year old washed up RB will be the guy they go get. I hope I'm wrong....
They jumped right in and signed Kimo last year for some big coin. Now you want them to do it again?...
 
I am all for some modicum of conservative FA shopping, but the Jets are really wasting some chances here. It isn't too late to improve the team, and they do have pretty good cap space to work with, but so far these signings have been crazy money. I do wish they had at least ONE signing to talk about however, there are some decent RB's out there that could help, and the team has NO RT at all as of now. A Thomas would have been nice, and Porter is still out there, but I don't think the Jets will go after Joey either. I expect to see trash signings... Na'il Diggs, Peter Sirmon.... guys like the trash they signed last year, Kassel, Chatham. Once in a while, you have to write a freakin check, and watch.... Dillon, a 33 year old washed up RB will be the guy they go get. I hope I'm wrong....
They jumped right in and signed Kimo last year for some big coin. Now you want them to do it again?...
No, that's the problem... Kimo was not only a marginal player, but he was as old as the hills. It's not like Kimo was some premier FA.... he was a stop gap signing. Waste of money. I wouldn't call his contract a "big coin" contract either. Players like A Thomas and Porter are pro bolw caliber players, with some tread left on them. Signing Dillon would be about the same sort of thing, the same thing I'm whining about now. Over paying a marginal over the hill player, just like Kimo. Waste of money and a roster spot.
 
I'll start with the Houston Texans:They do this every year. They wait till all the top free agents are signed then they sign a bunch of no names and strut them out on the field and wonder why the team still sux. I'm not saying that you have to spend all your money but man spend something. For a team with so many holes the sure are sitting back like Houston is the place to be and all the FAs are gonna want to came here. Sign somebody!!!!I apologized if this seems like a rant but is anyone else feeling like this about their team?
No, I don't believe in spending money just to spend it. Who did you want them to sign and for how much?
At least make a run for clements. Or at the very least sign lelie or something.
I can't believe HOU couldn't have parted with the $2mil to sign Lelie. Also would have guessed they would make a run at Michael Lewis. Seems like obvious upgrades over Walter and Earl. The versatility of Steinbach would have made him another obvious target even if they did have to overpay to get him. Those three signings could have made a big difference.
 
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no matter what my Titans do, it's always good to know that the Texans will be there to finish last in our division...

 
The only good signings are Thomas and Steinbach. No one should be that pumped about anyone else.
Dielman is a better lineman than Steinbach and signed for less money. Or you only counting players that switched teams?
Steinbach is good, but the Browns overpaid to make sure he did not get on a plane to go elsewhere.Bengals fan here...My team is saving what little cap space they have to match tender offers on guys like Kaesviharn and Kelly. Hopefully, the Cincy homeless shelter has a few guys that can play LB next year.... :rolleyes:
 
I agree about the Cardinals. Your telling me with this new coaching staff in place you couldnet of at least tried to get some of these OL in for visits?? Re-signing Shipp isnt going to cut it. They need help up and down the lineup. Bring in Porter, bring in Harper. They are way under the salary cap and doing nothing.

Things will never change with this current ownership. They never have and never will want to put a winner on the field. Plain and simple. Bidwill is cheap!

I still say the only reason they signed Edge last year was to sell the remaining season tickets for the first season of the new stadium!

 
I'll start with the Houston Texans:They do this every year. They wait till all the top free agents are signed then they sign a bunch of no names and strut them out on the field and wonder why the team still sux. I'm not saying that you have to spend all your money but man spend something. For a team with so many holes the sure are sitting back like Houston is the place to be and all the FAs are gonna want to came here. Sign somebody!!!!I apologized if this seems like a rant but is anyone else feeling like this about their team?
No, I don't believe in spending money just to spend it. Who did you want them to sign and for how much?
At least make a run for clements. Or at the very least sign lelie or something.
I can't believe HOU couldn't have parted with the $2mil to sign Lelie. Also would have guessed they would make a run at Michael Lewis. Seems like obvious upgrades over Walter and Earl. The versatility of Steinbach would have made him another obvious target even if they did have to overpay to get him. Those three signings could have made a big difference.
The biggest news on the Texans was that AJ was extended, that's huge.As for the others: Lelie is trash, we don't need a one dimensional deep threat that can't catch and has already washed out with 2 different teams. We need a possesion receiver. I'm surprised we weren't interested in Dielman or Steinbach, but Kubiak does come from the school of drafting O'linemen late in the draft that fit your scheme.The Texans aren't in a position to sign a lot of free agents this year as they have a ton of dead money on the books and are strapped for cap space.
 
I'll start with the Houston Texans:They do this every year. They wait till all the top free agents are signed then they sign a bunch of no names and strut them out on the field and wonder why the team still sux. I'm not saying that you have to spend all your money but man spend something. For a team with so many holes the sure are sitting back like Houston is the place to be and all the FAs are gonna want to came here. Sign somebody!!!!I apologized if this seems like a rant but is anyone else feeling like this about their team?
The Colts do this every year, too. It worked out fine last year.
 
How about the Green Bay Packers?

All this noise about them having money to spend this off season and making a push to compete with Favre coming back. And what have they done? Nothing. Any buzz around them signing anybody (other than the Moss rumours)? Nothing? Their current #1 RBunder contract? Either Morency or Noah Herron. They need a TE like crazy and Daniel Graham didn't even get lured in for a visit.

GET ON THE PHONE PACKERS!!!!!

 
How about the Green Bay Packers?All this noise about them having money to spend this off season and making a push to compete with Favre coming back. And what have they done? Nothing. Any buzz around them signing anybody (other than the Moss rumours)? Nothing? Their current #1 RBunder contract? Either Morency or Noah Herron. They need a TE like crazy and Daniel Graham didn't even get lured in for a visit.GET ON THE PHONE PACKERS!!!!!
Maybe they're preparing to do whatever it takes to get either Peterson or Lynch.
 
I'll start with the Houston Texans:They do this every year. They wait till all the top free agents are signed then they sign a bunch of no names and strut them out on the field and wonder why the team still sux. I'm not saying that you have to spend all your money but man spend something. For a team with so many holes the sure are sitting back like Houston is the place to be and all the FAs are gonna want to came here. Sign somebody!!!!I apologized if this seems like a rant but is anyone else feeling like this about their team?
No, I don't believe in spending money just to spend it. Who did you want them to sign and for how much?
At least make a run for clements. Or at the very least sign lelie or something.
I can't believe HOU couldn't have parted with the $2mil to sign Lelie. Also would have guessed they would make a run at Michael Lewis. Seems like obvious upgrades over Walter and Earl. The versatility of Steinbach would have made him another obvious target even if they did have to overpay to get him. Those three signings could have made a big difference.
The biggest news on the Texans was that AJ was extended, that's huge.As for the others: Lelie is trash, we don't need a one dimensional deep threat that can't catch and has already washed out with 2 different teams. We need a possesion receiver. I'm surprised we weren't interested in Dielman or Steinbach, but Kubiak does come from the school of drafting O'linemen late in the draft that fit your scheme.The Texans aren't in a position to sign a lot of free agents this year as they have a ton of dead money on the books and are strapped for cap space.
What about hamlin? the texans need a safety because you cant zone blitz if you have no help over the top. bottom line. I'm so sure about this I'd rather them draft Landry with their 1st pick.
 
kevthegrad said:
How about the Green Bay Packers?All this noise about them having money to spend this off season and making a push to compete with Favre coming back. And what have they done? Nothing. Any buzz around them signing anybody (other than the Moss rumours)? Nothing? Their current #1 RBunder contract? Either Morency or Noah Herron. They need a TE like crazy and Daniel Graham didn't even get lured in for a visit.GET ON THE PHONE PACKERS!!!!!
This is the same thing we heard last year. Thompson is not going to jump into the fray and overpay for a guy right off the bat just becaue they have cap room. Just like last year, he'll wait it out a bit, and see who is still around when the dust starts to settle.And considering how it worked last year, I'm willing to be patient to see what happens. Thompson got lambasted for the Woodson signing, and that worked out pretty well. They also landed Pickett, another nice signing. I'm not too worried about this.
 
Rovers said:
Yeah, a lot of FA signings don't work, but many others do. Brees, London Fletcher, Antonio Pierce, Rodney Harrison, Mush, Terry Glenn...
I give up, that's the 2d time in as many posts I've read today that someone has referred to this guy as a GOOD example of an FA move. Anyone paying attention knew this was a desperate overpaying type move when they did it, and he's bore that out. wtf?
 
Rovers said:
Yeah, a lot of FA signings don't work, but many others do. Brees, London Fletcher, Antonio Pierce, Rodney Harrison, Mush, Terry Glenn...
I give up, that's the 2d time in as many posts I've read today that someone has referred to this guy as a GOOD example of an FA move. Anyone paying attention knew this was a desperate overpaying type move when they did it, and he's bore that out. wtf?
There is value that a player can bring to a team that doesn't always show up in the boxscore. MM has been a strong veteran leader on an offense that struggled, with a QB that sucks. ALL Fa's get over paid. Nuthin new there. Just how much is he being paid? What did Wes Welker just get from the Pats? Which one would you rather have?
 
LHUCKS said:
I can tell you AZ fans are going to blow a fuse if the Cards don't start getting active...re-signing Shipp isn't going to cut it when you're well under the cap, and when taxpayers just gave the Bidwill's millions of dollars.
:rolleyes: Thus far, I'm not feeling very motivated to renew my season tickets which I have until tomorrow to send the deposit. In fact, I'm leaning towards calling their bluff on this wait list they claim to have.
 
Kind of wish the eagles would have shown interest in porter or thomas at least.
The Eagles are going to unveil the new 6-5 defense. They are so deep at DLine they will field 6 DLinemen, 0 LBs and 5 DB's.The Eagles dont seem to care that they have the worst LB's in the league.
 
kevthegrad said:
How about the Green Bay Packers?All this noise about them having money to spend this off season and making a push to compete with Favre coming back. And what have they done? Nothing. Any buzz around them signing anybody (other than the Moss rumours)? Nothing? Their current #1 RBunder contract? Either Morency or Noah Herron. They need a TE like crazy and Daniel Graham didn't even get lured in for a visit.GET ON THE PHONE PACKERS!!!!!
This is the same thing we heard last year. Thompson is not going to jump into the fray and overpay for a guy right off the bat just becaue they have cap room. Just like last year, he'll wait it out a bit, and see who is still around when the dust starts to settle.And considering how it worked last year, I'm willing to be patient to see what happens. Thompson got lambasted for the Woodson signing, and that worked out pretty well. They also landed Pickett, another nice signing. I'm not too worried about this.
I agree. While it's difficult to try & not get caught-up in the hub-ubb of FA... you're always routing for your team to land that big name guy. However, outside of Ad. Thomas (sp?) - I'm not too thrilled with any of the Free-Agents out there. I wouldn't mind seeing them sign Daniel Graham, but he's going to go for much higher than he should. I think TT did a nice job acquiring some under-the-radar guys in FA last year... like Pickett & Manual. The Packers are in a good position to better themselves this year. I'd like to see them make a move like a 3rd to BUF for McGahee, and use the 1st-rounder on a D-Tackle or safety. I think they can get as good of a WR in the 2nd as they could in the 1st... I personally don't like Ginn & think he's the most over-hyped player in the draft (outside of return duties).
 
I'm not in love with the signing of Green but I think its a decent signing and since RB is the easiest position to fill once you build your team. So I like Green as a caretaker for a year or so. good job Go Texans!!

 
knowledge dropper said:
Steinbach is good, but the Browns overpaid to make sure he did not get on a plane to go elsewhere.Bengals fan here...My team is saving what little cap space they have to match tender offers on guys like Kaesviharn and Kelly. Hopefully, the Cincy homeless shelter has a few guys that can play LB next year.... :thumbdown:
:goodposting: I don't get it either. I think we re-sign these guys easily but damn, I would like to have gotten Thomas. Just too many question marks at this key position.
 
djcolts said:
I'll start with the Houston Texans:They do this every year. They wait till all the top free agents are signed then they sign a bunch of no names and strut them out on the field and wonder why the team still sux. I'm not saying that you have to spend all your money but man spend something. For a team with so many holes the sure are sitting back like Houston is the place to be and all the FAs are gonna want to came here. Sign somebody!!!!I apologized if this seems like a rant but is anyone else feeling like this about their team?
The Colts do this every year, too. It worked out fine last year.
Yeah but every year, the Mgmt. of Indy doesn't have to sit around trying to figure out why their QB totally sucks and how to blame the losing season on anyone but David Carr. That probably pre-occupies them during the off-season. During the season, they just sit with their mouths hung open as Carr runs out of bounds...again.
 

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