Tebow a QB1?! That's what I heard on the audible... (1 Viewer)

[duaneok66]

I agree with those who say Tebow is a horrible NFL QB.......but I also agree with those who say he is a very good fantasy QB.

It will all be moot once he's parked in the garage.

this.

 

[DoubleG]

Also, the Broncos might want to think of fielding a defense....that might help too.

Honestly, for those stating that they need to play Tebow to PROVE that he is horrible, so they can dump him next season, you might not want to bet on that just yet. First off, the Broncos have a myriad of problems (the afore mentioned defense being one) - continually changing QBs isn't going to fix that. I honestly think the Broncos are rolling with Tebow in order to speed up his maturation process. Secondly, Tebow has a skillset that is useful - and a skillset that can be improved. He has the arm strength to be an NFL QB. He also has the speed and athleticism to be a threat outside the pocket. His biggest issues are reading defenses and accuracy - both of which can be learned and improved on with hard work. Tebow is known for his work ethic, so I don't see any problem with those improving over time.

Denver fans, I hope you like him - he's your QB for a LONG time...and in a year or two that may actually turn out to be a very good thing.

There was a QB over his first 16 starts threw 28 INTS to go with his 26 TDs - completing only 56.7% of his passes for a rating of 71.2 - but P. Manning has turned out to be pretty good. Now, the two are nothing alike, nor am I comparing them at all - but the point is that QBs with work ethic and the tools necessary to succeed, will if given the chance.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Great breakdown by Tom Jackson and Trent Dilfer just now on Tebow.

What was it?

 

[Routilla]

I feel sorry for the Bronco season ticket holders. He's just a terrible NFL QB to have to watch.

 

[FavreCo]

Mariucci just said tebow didn't have any time in the pcoket.

 

[jon_mx]

Great breakdown by Tom Jackson and Trent Dilfer just now on Tebow.

What was it?

Great.

 

[EBF]

but the point is that QBs with work ethic and the tools necessary to succeed, will if given the chance.

Does he have the tools though?Playing QB isn't about physical talent. If it was, Kyle Boller and Tarvaris Jackson would be Pro Bowlers.There are "mental tools" in addition the physical tools. Can Tebow read defenses and anticipate open receivers? Can he stay poised under pressure and respond well to adversity? There are plenty of question marks about his mental ability.Nevermind the fact that his mechanics and accuracy are terrible.

 

[jon_mx]

I still don't know why Tebow was under center most of the game and not in the shotgun. They need to spread the field and let Tebow run around and find the open guy.

 

[Raider Nation]

Great breakdown by Tom Jackson and Trent Dilfer just now on Tebow.

What was it?

A television program. But that's not important right now.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Also, the Broncos might want to think of fielding a defense....that might help too.

I bet their defense would play a lot better if the offense could stay on the field for more than 3 plays.

 

[Ray_T]

I don't own the guy but I kept hearing him touted on the audible from Bloom..... Something like he's a QB1 should be valued for an RB1 in a trade? Really? If he can't do it against Miami he ain't doing it any time soon.... I like the show and I guess you have to take a stand but..... Someone should be eating crow this week...

He is not a QB1.I watched the game up until Denvers first possession after Miami's last score in Q4. At that point Teebow had less than 100 yards passing and was poor at best.

I saw highlights from the drive, the onside, and the game tying drive, and it seems he got it together, but This is not a guy you wanna hang your hat on as a QB1. If it werent for the onside kick, he wouldnt have been able to do the last drive and you guys would be screaming at how bad he was. With that being said, the kick was made, and he did what he did. Good for him. But I wouldnt call him a #1 Fantasy QB.

QB2 maybe... but definitely not QB1. (not yet anyways)

In all honesty, If he were on my team, he would be a bye week filler for one of my 2 QB's until we figure out what kind of player he really is or until he gets some level of consistency.

Not slaggin the guy, just calling it as I see it. I want him to do well, but he's got a ways to go (IMO).

So many delusional people in this thread. QB2 maybe!?!?!? He's not only a QB1, he's a top 7 quarterback going forward and until his fantasy point average drops under 20 (currently 26/game) you can't argue otherwise. /endthread

You are dreaming dude. A QB1 doesnt get shut down for better than 3/4 of the game by the Dolphins. Especially when the Dolphins offense is so poor they cant stay on the field to give the defense a rest.

I'm not slaggin the guy, I'm just saying hes not there yet. Its easy for people to see what they wanna see. You think I dont look at him and think he could be the next Vick?

I think he has huge potential, but at this point in his career, I wouldnt want him to be my #1 Fantasy QB and I think that's just smart football management. If you are counting on him to be your #1, then you have other issues with your team (most likely crappy QB team/depth)

either way, we can agree that we disagree. It would appear you will not be convinced either way.

I don't know what you are seeing, but I'm looking at are his fantasy points, which have never been anything less than QB1 when he has played. What are you seeing?

I am seeing a player who will likely lose his job if he does this a third week in a row. he got some points in garbage time today, but that wont keep him his job.

 

[Raider Nation]

I still don't know why Tebow was under center most of the game and not in the shotgun.

He was in the shotgun for 51 out of 77 snaps. I'd call that "most" of the game.

 

[Saint]

Great breakdown by Tom Jackson and Trent Dilfer just now on Tebow.

What was it?

A television program. But that's not important right now.

and don't call me Shirley.

 

[Time Kibitzer]

I still don't know why Tebow was under center most of the game and not in the shotgun.

He was in the shotgun for 51 out of 77 snaps. I'd call that "most" of the game.

Ssshh, he's on a roll.

 

[duaneok66]

Mariucci just said tebow didn't have any time in the pcoket.

that's why Mariucci is on a TV set and not on a sideline.

 

[Reepicheep]

Just for argument's sake. Today Tebow was 18/38 172 Yards, 1 TD, 1 Int for a 56.8 Rating. Here are some stat lines put up by Brady, Manning, Rodgers, and Brees in their first 16 starts.

Player Rating Cmp Att Yds Int TDBrady 57.1 25 38 203 4 2Brady 58.7 12 24 86 0 0Manning 39.3 20 44 193 2 0Manning 48.6 14 29 164 2 1Rodgers 55.9 14 27 165 3 2Rodgers 59.8 23 41 248 3 2 Brees 40.6 22 41 239 3 0Brees 58.7 17 31 181 1 0
Not saying he's going to turn out like any of those guys. But young quarterbacks are usually given a pretty long leash when it comes to playing bad and starting.

 

[FavreCo]

Just for argument's sake. Today Tebow was 18/38 172 Yards, 1 TD, 1 Int for a 56.8 Rating. Here are some stat lines put up by Brady, Manning, Rodgers, and Brees in their first 16 starts.

Player 	 Rating	Cmp	Att	Yds	Int	TDBrady 	 57.1	25	38	203	4	2Brady 	 58.7	12	24	86	0	0Manning  39.3	20	44	193	2	0Manning  48.6	14	29	164	2	1Rodgers  55.9	14	27	165	3	2Rodgers  59.8	23	41	248	3	2	Brees 	 40.6	22	41	239	3	0Brees 	 58.7	17	31	181	1	0

Good enough for me. Ok let's keep him in there. i got the SD defense and NYJ defense. I could use the points while I enjoy his beatdowns.

 

[duaneok66]

Tebow is under 50% for his career!

 

[Captain Blowhard]

I can guarantee you John Elway doesn't give a rat's patoot about Tebow's fantasy potential. I can guarantee you John Elway knows what a good qb is and what a good qb isn't.

Add to all of that that Tebow was NOT an Elway pick.

You Tebow lovers still in denial about where this is going need to wake the hell up already.

The guy was missing simple out throws today. By a country mile. Good grief.

 

[timschochet]

Just for argument's sake. Today Tebow was 18/38 172 Yards, 1 TD, 1 Int for a 56.8 Rating. Here are some stat lines put up by Brady, Manning, Rodgers, and Brees in their first 16 starts.

Player      Rating	Cmp	Att	Yds	Int	TDBrady      57.1	25	38	203	4	2Brady      58.7	12	24	86	0	0Manning  39.3	20	44	193	2	0Manning  48.6	14	29	164	2	1Rodgers  55.9	14	27	165	3	2Rodgers  59.8	23	41	248	3	2	Brees      40.6	22	41	239	3	0Brees      58.7	17	31	181	1	0

Not saying he's going to turn out like any of those guys. But young quarterbacks are usually given a pretty long leash when it comes to playing bad and starting.

I watched all of those guys play during their rookie year. And I am watching Tebow play this year, his 2nd year. You can see the difference.You don't always know who's going to become a good QB in this league. But you can usually spot the ones who suck pretty quickly.

 

[rickyg]

Great breakdown by Tom Jackson and Trent Dilfer just now on Tebow.

What was it?

A television program. But that's not important right now.

lol RIP leslie Nielson!

 

[Saint]

Just for argument's sake. Today Tebow was 18/38 172 Yards, 1 TD, 1 Int for a 56.8 Rating. Here are some stat lines put up by Brady, Manning, Rodgers, and Brees in their first 16 starts.

Player      Rating	Cmp	Att	Yds	Int	TDBrady      57.1	25	38	203	4	2Brady      58.7	12	24	86	0	0Manning  39.3	20	44	193	2	0Manning  48.6	14	29	164	2	1Rodgers  55.9	14	27	165	3	2Rodgers  59.8	23	41	248	3	2	Brees      40.6	22	41	239	3	0Brees      58.7	17	31	181	1	0

Not saying he's going to turn out like any of those guys. But young quarterbacks are usually given a pretty long leash when it comes to playing bad and starting.

I watched all of those guys play during their rookie year. And I am watching Tebow play this year, his 2nd year. You can see the difference.You don't always know who's going to become a good QB in this league. But you can usually spot the ones who suck pretty quickly.

I would argue that Brees was ready to be written off by everyone until Rivers was drafted... After Rivers arrived, Brees became good.... so sometimes you can't always spot the suck.

 

[hines]

people thinking he will be a good fantasy QB for the rest of the year have not watched or looked closely at his game lines. He only scored any points today due to his team losing by 40 points vs the backups of Detroit. almost all of his fantasy output has come from desperation drives vs MIA and Detroit's backups down by 40+. not repeatable performances. even if you think you can play him, you never know when Quinn will replace him, could be during a game at any time.

 

[timschochet]

Just for argument's sake. Today Tebow was 18/38 172 Yards, 1 TD, 1 Int for a 56.8 Rating. Here are some stat lines put up by Brady, Manning, Rodgers, and Brees in their first 16 starts.

Player      Rating	Cmp	Att	Yds	Int	TDBrady      57.1	25	38	203	4	2Brady      58.7	12	24	86	0	0Manning  39.3	20	44	193	2	0Manning  48.6	14	29	164	2	1Rodgers  55.9	14	27	165	3	2Rodgers  59.8	23	41	248	3	2	Brees      40.6	22	41	239	3	0Brees      58.7	17	31	181	1	0

Not saying he's going to turn out like any of those guys. But young quarterbacks are usually given a pretty long leash when it comes to playing bad and starting.

I watched all of those guys play during their rookie year. And I am watching Tebow play this year, his 2nd year. You can see the difference.You don't always know who's going to become a good QB in this league. But you can usually spot the ones who suck pretty quickly.

I would argue that Brees was ready to be written off by everyone until Rivers was drafted... After Rivers arrived, Brees became good.... so sometimes you can't always spot the suck.

Brees was ready to be written off as a starter, but only because he was considered mediocre and there was a star college player coming in. Brees was never considered terrible, from what I can recall. And so I say again: when a player TRULY sucks...you know.

 

[proninja]

Tebow is not a QB1. He is, however, an excellent team defense.

I would agree. Sigmund Bloom and his lackeys on the Audible disagree.

I will argue he's a terrible real life quarterback. I will also argue he's a good to great fantasy football quarterback. Should they put in Orton? Yes. Will they? I doubt it. I'm pretty sure Tebow is going to start from now until the end of the season. And as awful as he'll be, he's going to put up fantasy points. Those garbage time passes and rushing yards do little to help the Broncos win games but it's a big boost to the world of fantasy.

There's no being reasonable in here. You either hate him or you love him. No in between.

 

[FavreCo]

Brees was ready to be written off as a starter, but only because he was considered mediocre and there was a star college player coming in. Brees was never considered terrible, from what I can recall. And so I say again: when a player TRULY sucks...you know.

Coming into the NFl I thought Brees would make it. Tebow, no. he never showed anything in college that said, 'I can play in the NFL'.

 

[Saint]

I would argue that Brees was ready to be written off by everyone until Rivers was drafted... After Rivers arrived, Brees became good.... so sometimes you can't always spot the suck.

Brees was ready to be written off as a starter, but only because he was considered mediocre and there was a star college player coming in. Brees was never considered terrible, from what I can recall. And so I say again: when a player TRULY sucks...you know.

Disagree... he sucked pretty bad. He actually regressed his 3rd year... he had a 67.5 passer rating, 11 TD, 15 INT, 2108 yds passing... he plain sucked. Everyone was shocked in his revival the following year, where he posted career highs across the board.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

I'll take 15+ points as his floor

you did not watch this game then

Guys Tebow outscored this week so far:FlaccoBeckBreesDaltonKolbA. SmithPonderHasslebeckBrady - Tied

If you count accuracy %, which my league does, then he outscored only the following:Luke McCownShaun HillBlaine GabbertCharlie WhitehurstKevin KolbJohn BeckAJ FeeleyEveryone else scored higher.... So, even with running yards, if you are equating passing accuracy, then he sucks. Now I will say, if his receivers dropped passes then that affects his accuracy numbers in my league scoring rules.

That's a very unconventional scoring format. In any league with standard scoring Tebow is a good starting option.

 

[EBF]

For every Drew Brees there are legions of Akili Smith, Joey Harrington, David Carr, JP Losman, Kyle Boller, Cade McNown, JaMarcus Russell, etc.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Tebowned (pic)

link

Watch Tim Tebow Get Tebowed By The Man Who Sacked Him

Here's Lions linebacker Stephen Tulloch taking Tebowing meta, striking the pose over Tim Tebow's prone body after sacking the Broncos quarterback in the first quarter of their matchup in Denver. It's like he raised an already-tired meme from the dead.

By the way, our friends at GQ called this one.

 

[Saint]

That's a very unconventional scoring format. In any league with standard scoring Tebow is a good starting option.

That may be, but I would argue that including completion/incompletion scoring, then your fantasy stats are in more in alignment with game stats rather than over inflating. What's it mean? Well, he plain stunk in reality. Just sain'.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

I don't know what anyone is complaining about. Tebow is currently the #8 fantasy QB this week not including the last two games. He's got a good shot at finishing in the top 10 tucked right behind Brady and ahead of Brees. Let's not confuse sucking at real football with excelling at fantasy.

 

[rickyg]

all this talk and debate is nice. But at the end of the day footballguys is a fantasy football website, not an nfl real life website. We are all here bc e play fantasy football and are trying to make sense of real life football events as they pertain to helping us score points for our fantasy teams. Its REALLY important to remember that.

With that said, Tebow SUCKS..agreed. BUT, there ARE positives here:

1) He SUCKED today...even worse than he sucked last week. Yet, in my league, he STILL gave me a very respectable 17.9 pts in standard scoring.

2) He played Detroit. That is a hell of a defense. They are stingy in every facet of their game and put a TON of pressure on opposing qb's. Check the sats on what detroit has done to opposing qb's in the last 2-3 games. They were largely held in check and had WORSE fantasy days than tebow. He wont play Detroit every week.

3) His rushing output is consistent, and will consistently buoey his fantasy stats.

Bottom line. He sucks in real life...but WHO cares unless you are a denver fan? As long as he keeps putting up pts for my fantasy team, he will start for me. Is it possible that he will suck SO badly that they wil put orton back in during a game or put quinn in during a game, thus rendering me a big fat goose egg? Yes...but ill take that chance.

Ride Tebow until he doesnt produce anymore. Dont even look at his stat lines until the game is over bc he seems to put it together later in games rather than early on. The only qb's that should be started over him on a weekly basis are:

Arodg

Brady

Brees

Cam

Vick

Stafford

BigBen (maybe)

Eli (maybe)

Romo (maybe)

Rivers (maybe)

That makes Tebow a weekly mid-low end QB1 in 10 and 12 team leagues in my opinion.

 

[cholo]

HE JUST WINS (games for the other team.)

 

[hines]

all this talk and debate is nice. But at the end of the day footballguys is a fantasy football website, not an nfl real life website. We are all here bc e play fantasy football and are trying to make sense of real life football events as they pertain to helping us score points for our fantasy teams. Its REALLY important to remember that.

With that said, Tebow SUCKS..agreed. BUT, there ARE positives here:

1) He SUCKED today...even worse than he sucked last week. Yet, in my league, he STILL gave me a very respectable 17.9 pts in standard scoring.

2) He played Detroit. That is a hell of a defense. They are stingy in every facet of their game and put a TON of pressure on opposing qb's. Check the sats on what detroit has done to opposing qb's in the last 2-3 games. They were largely held in check and had WORSE fantasy days than tebow. He wont play Detroit every week.

3) His rushing output is consistent, and will consistently buoey his fantasy stats.

Bottom line. He sucks in real life...but WHO cares unless you are a denver fan? As long as he keeps putting up pts for my fantasy team, he will start for me. Is it possible that he will suck SO badly that they wil put orton back in during a game or put quinn in during a game, thus rendering me a big fat goose egg? Yes...but ill take that chance.

Ride Tebow until he doesnt produce anymore. Dont even look at his stat lines until the game is over bc he seems to put it together later in games rather than early on. The only qb's that should be started over him on a weekly basis are:

Arodg

Brady

Brees

Cam

Vick

Stafford

BigBen (maybe)

Eli (maybe)

Romo (maybe)

Rivers (maybe)

That makes Tebow a weekly mid-low end QB1 in 10 and 12 team leagues in my opinion.

you say he is putting it together later in games and he put up numbers that other QBs have not vs Detroit. the only reason these things happened was Detroit got up too much. the defense that started the game was not the same one once Det was up 44-3. he was basically the beneficiary of him sucking so badly at the start that he took the edge off the defense and even then he simply got his numbers on volume due to his turnovers being returned for TDs. the only reason he got 39 attempts was Detroit was scoring on his turnovers. are you going to bet that he will get huge amounts of opportunities against backup defenses because he is constantly giving away TDs every week? of course not, don't simply look at the stat line. I have said it from the get go, you cannot rely on him as a QB1 simply because of a very tiny sample size.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

He ended up with more fantasy points than I thought he would. In each of his previous four starts, I had him ranked as a solid fantasy QB1. This is the first week I ranked him outside the top eight or so — in fact, I had him all the way down at #18. But with one game left to play, he's #11 right now in the scoring system I'm looking at (assuming he stays ahead of Romo, which it looks like he will). So even this week, he's borderline fantasy QB1 material.

(The scoring system I'm looking at awards 5 points for passing TDs, and twice as many points for rushing yards as for passing yards. Tebow is probably better than #11 in leagues that award 4 points for passing TDs and/or 2.5 times as many points for rushing yards as for passing yards.)

 

[Reepicheep]

1) He SUCKED today...even worse than he sucked last week. Yet, in my league, he STILL gave me a very respectable 17.9 pts in standard scoring. 2) He played Detroit. That is a hell of a defense. They are stingy in every facet of their game and put a TON of pressure on opposing qb's. Check the sats on what detroit has done to opposing qb's in the last 2-3 games. They were largely held in check and had WORSE fantasy days than tebow. He wont play Detroit every week.

In my league only five teams are allowing fewer points to opposing QBs than the Lions.

 

[rickyg]

all this talk and debate is nice. But at the end of the day footballguys is a fantasy football website, not an nfl real life website. We are all here bc e play fantasy football and are trying to make sense of real life football events as they pertain to helping us score points for our fantasy teams. Its REALLY important to remember that.

With that said, Tebow SUCKS..agreed. BUT, there ARE positives here:

1) He SUCKED today...even worse than he sucked last week. Yet, in my league, he STILL gave me a very respectable 17.9 pts in standard scoring.

2) He played Detroit. That is a hell of a defense. They are stingy in every facet of their game and put a TON of pressure on opposing qb's. Check the sats on what detroit has done to opposing qb's in the last 2-3 games. They were largely held in check and had WORSE fantasy days than tebow. He wont play Detroit every week.

3) His rushing output is consistent, and will consistently buoey his fantasy stats.

Bottom line. He sucks in real life...but WHO cares unless you are a denver fan? As long as he keeps putting up pts for my fantasy team, he will start for me. Is it possible that he will suck SO badly that they wil put orton back in during a game or put quinn in during a game, thus rendering me a big fat goose egg? Yes...but ill take that chance.

Ride Tebow until he doesnt produce anymore. Dont even look at his stat lines until the game is over bc he seems to put it together later in games rather than early on. The only qb's that should be started over him on a weekly basis are:

Arodg

Brady

Brees

Cam

Vick

Stafford

BigBen (maybe)

Eli (maybe)

Romo (maybe)

Rivers (maybe)

That makes Tebow a weekly mid-low end QB1 in 10 and 12 team leagues in my opinion.

you say he is putting it together later in games and he put up numbers that other QBs have not vs Detroit. the only reason these things happened was Detroit got up too much. the defense that started the game was not the same one once Det was up 44-3. he was basically the beneficiary of him sucking so badly at the start that he took the edge off the defense and even then he simply got his numbers on volume due to his turnovers being returned for TDs. the only reason he got 39 attempts was Detroit was scoring on his turnovers. are you going to bet that he will get huge amounts of opportunities against backup defenses because he is constantly giving away TDs every week? of course not, don't simply look at the stat line. I have said it from the get go, you cannot rely on him as a QB1 simply because of a very tiny sample size.

Not "putting it together". I think he sucks as an nfl qb...as stated in my post. I mean, putting it together from a fantasy standpoint. and WHO THE HECK CARES that he did it vs detroits backups on defense? Really? you care? Denver's defense sucks as bad as tebow does and that bodes well for tebow and the passing game in garbage time. For YEARS one of the best things about payton manning was that indy's defense was horrible so you just KNEW that payton was gonna be throwing the rock all game long to keep pace with opposing teams. So now that is a bad thing with tebow? Again, this is FANTASY FOOTBALL. I dont care if tebow puts up 17.9 pts against detroits starters, or their backups, or a division III college team. As long as the points ount for my fantasy team Ill take em! and I AM looking at the stat lines..his last NFL starts have translated into mid QB1 fantasy production. When that trend stops, I will stop starting him, plain and simple.

Why make this hobby harder than it needs to be? If you have someone putting up fantasy pts week in and out, START them, unless you have a better option like one of the guys I named above. When the production stops, BENCH them. Ride the train until it stops.

 

[rickyg]

1) He SUCKED today...even worse than he sucked last week. Yet, in my league, he STILL gave me a very respectable 17.9 pts in standard scoring. 2) He played Detroit. That is a hell of a defense. They are stingy in every facet of their game and put a TON of pressure on opposing qb's. Check the sats on what detroit has done to opposing qb's in the last 2-3 games. They were largely held in check and had WORSE fantasy days than tebow. He wont play Detroit every week.

In my league only five teams are allowing fewer points to opposing QBs than the Lions.

Exactly...

 

[FavreCo]

Tebow sucks so bad that he can collect garbage time points after the other team has started prepping for their next opponent.

 

[ExaltedOne]

Tebow sucks so bad that he can collect garbage time points after the other team has started prepping for their next opponent.

Points are points in FF. I don't get bonus points for pretty throws.

 

[hines]

all this talk and debate is nice. But at the end of the day footballguys is a fantasy football website, not an nfl real life website. We are all here bc e play fantasy football and are trying to make sense of real life football events as they pertain to helping us score points for our fantasy teams. Its REALLY important to remember that.

With that said, Tebow SUCKS..agreed. BUT, there ARE positives here:

1) He SUCKED today...even worse than he sucked last week. Yet, in my league, he STILL gave me a very respectable 17.9 pts in standard scoring.

2) He played Detroit. That is a hell of a defense. They are stingy in every facet of their game and put a TON of pressure on opposing qb's. Check the sats on what detroit has done to opposing qb's in the last 2-3 games. They were largely held in check and had WORSE fantasy days than tebow. He wont play Detroit every week.

3) His rushing output is consistent, and will consistently buoey his fantasy stats.

Bottom line. He sucks in real life...but WHO cares unless you are a denver fan? As long as he keeps putting up pts for my fantasy team, he will start for me. Is it possible that he will suck SO badly that they wil put orton back in during a game or put quinn in during a game, thus rendering me a big fat goose egg? Yes...but ill take that chance.

Ride Tebow until he doesnt produce anymore. Dont even look at his stat lines until the game is over bc he seems to put it together later in games rather than early on. The only qb's that should be started over him on a weekly basis are:

Arodg

Brady

Brees

Cam

Vick

Stafford

BigBen (maybe)

Eli (maybe)

Romo (maybe)

Rivers (maybe)

That makes Tebow a weekly mid-low end QB1 in 10 and 12 team leagues in my opinion.

you say he is putting it together later in games and he put up numbers that other QBs have not vs Detroit. the only reason these things happened was Detroit got up too much. the defense that started the game was not the same one once Det was up 44-3. he was basically the beneficiary of him sucking so badly at the start that he took the edge off the defense and even then he simply got his numbers on volume due to his turnovers being returned for TDs. the only reason he got 39 attempts was Detroit was scoring on his turnovers. are you going to bet that he will get huge amounts of opportunities against backup defenses because he is constantly giving away TDs every week? of course not, don't simply look at the stat line. I have said it from the get go, you cannot rely on him as a QB1 simply because of a very tiny sample size.

Not "putting it together". I think he sucks as an nfl qb...as stated in my post. I mean, putting it together from a fantasy standpoint. and WHO THE HECK CARES that he did it vs detroits backups on defense? Really? you care? Denver's defense sucks as bad as tebow does and that bodes well for tebow and the passing game in garbage time. For YEARS one of the best things about payton manning was that indy's defense was horrible so you just KNEW that payton was gonna be throwing the rock all game long to keep pace with opposing teams. So now that is a bad thing with tebow? Again, this is FANTASY FOOTBALL. I dont care if tebow puts up 17.9 pts against detroits starters, or their backups, or a division III college team. As long as the points ount for my fantasy team Ill take em! and I AM looking at the stat lines..his last NFL starts have translated into mid QB1 fantasy production. When that trend stops, I will stop starting him, plain and simple.

Why make this hobby harder than it needs to be? If you have someone putting up fantasy pts week in and out, START them, unless you have a better option like one of the guys I named above. When the production stops, BENCH them. Ride the train until it stops.

I'm just saying they won't be this bad every week. lots of his points came due to huge volume vs Det's backups because Det did not have the ball because they had 2 defensive TDs off Tebow turnovers.my point is it is not sustainable to expect him to have the ball vs backups or less than fully jacked up starters for so many chances every week. not every INT or fumble will be run in.

 

[rickyg]

all this talk and debate is nice. But at the end of the day footballguys is a fantasy football website, not an nfl real life website. We are all here bc e play fantasy football and are trying to make sense of real life football events as they pertain to helping us score points for our fantasy teams. Its REALLY important to remember that.

With that said, Tebow SUCKS..agreed. BUT, there ARE positives here:

1) He SUCKED today...even worse than he sucked last week. Yet, in my league, he STILL gave me a very respectable 17.9 pts in standard scoring.

2) He played Detroit. That is a hell of a defense. They are stingy in every facet of their game and put a TON of pressure on opposing qb's. Check the sats on what detroit has done to opposing qb's in the last 2-3 games. They were largely held in check and had WORSE fantasy days than tebow. He wont play Detroit every week.

3) His rushing output is consistent, and will consistently buoey his fantasy stats.

Bottom line. He sucks in real life...but WHO cares unless you are a denver fan? As long as he keeps putting up pts for my fantasy team, he will start for me. Is it possible that he will suck SO badly that they wil put orton back in during a game or put quinn in during a game, thus rendering me a big fat goose egg? Yes...but ill take that chance.

Ride Tebow until he doesnt produce anymore. Dont even look at his stat lines until the game is over bc he seems to put it together later in games rather than early on. The only qb's that should be started over him on a weekly basis are:

Arodg

Brady

Brees

Cam

Vick

Stafford

BigBen (maybe)

Eli (maybe)

Romo (maybe)

Rivers (maybe)

That makes Tebow a weekly mid-low end QB1 in 10 and 12 team leagues in my opinion.

you say he is putting it together later in games and he put up numbers that other QBs have not vs Detroit. the only reason these things happened was Detroit got up too much. the defense that started the game was not the same one once Det was up 44-3. he was basically the beneficiary of him sucking so badly at the start that he took the edge off the defense and even then he simply got his numbers on volume due to his turnovers being returned for TDs. the only reason he got 39 attempts was Detroit was scoring on his turnovers. are you going to bet that he will get huge amounts of opportunities against backup defenses because he is constantly giving away TDs every week? of course not, don't simply look at the stat line. I have said it from the get go, you cannot rely on him as a QB1 simply because of a very tiny sample size.

Not "putting it together". I think he sucks as an nfl qb...as stated in my post. I mean, putting it together from a fantasy standpoint. and WHO THE HECK CARES that he did it vs detroits backups on defense? Really? you care? Denver's defense sucks as bad as tebow does and that bodes well for tebow and the passing game in garbage time. For YEARS one of the best things about payton manning was that indy's defense was horrible so you just KNEW that payton was gonna be throwing the rock all game long to keep pace with opposing teams. So now that is a bad thing with tebow? Again, this is FANTASY FOOTBALL. I dont care if tebow puts up 17.9 pts against detroits starters, or their backups, or a division III college team. As long as the points ount for my fantasy team Ill take em! and I AM looking at the stat lines..his last NFL starts have translated into mid QB1 fantasy production. When that trend stops, I will stop starting him, plain and simple.

Why make this hobby harder than it needs to be? If you have someone putting up fantasy pts week in and out, START them, unless you have a better option like one of the guys I named above. When the production stops, BENCH them. Ride the train until it stops.

I'm just saying they won't be this bad every week. lots of his points came due to huge volume vs Det's backups because Det did not have the ball because they had 2 defensive TDs off Tebow turnovers.my point is it is not sustainable to expect him to have the ball vs backups or less than fully jacked up starters for so many chances every week. not every INT or fumble will be run in.

I hear you. But not everybge will be against an awesome defense like Detroit either. Tebow seems to somehow defy the odds and put up fantasy stats every week for his owners while the detractors about him continue to bash him and talk about how this isn't sustainable. My point is, you might be right.. But keep starting him until he stops producing fantasy points. Then bench him.

 

[jon_mx]

Tebow >> Romo

 

[hines]

all this talk and debate is nice. But at the end of the day footballguys is a fantasy football website, not an nfl real life website. We are all here bc e play fantasy football and are trying to make sense of real life football events as they pertain to helping us score points for our fantasy teams. Its REALLY important to remember that.

With that said, Tebow SUCKS..agreed. BUT, there ARE positives here:

1) He SUCKED today...even worse than he sucked last week. Yet, in my league, he STILL gave me a very respectable 17.9 pts in standard scoring.

2) He played Detroit. That is a hell of a defense. They are stingy in every facet of their game and put a TON of pressure on opposing qb's. Check the sats on what detroit has done to opposing qb's in the last 2-3 games. They were largely held in check and had WORSE fantasy days than tebow. He wont play Detroit every week.

3) His rushing output is consistent, and will consistently buoey his fantasy stats.

Bottom line. He sucks in real life...but WHO cares unless you are a denver fan? As long as he keeps putting up pts for my fantasy team, he will start for me. Is it possible that he will suck SO badly that they wil put orton back in during a game or put quinn in during a game, thus rendering me a big fat goose egg? Yes...but ill take that chance.

Ride Tebow until he doesnt produce anymore. Dont even look at his stat lines until the game is over bc he seems to put it together later in games rather than early on. The only qb's that should be started over him on a weekly basis are:

Arodg

Brady

Brees

Cam

Vick

Stafford

BigBen (maybe)

Eli (maybe)

Romo (maybe)

Rivers (maybe)

That makes Tebow a weekly mid-low end QB1 in 10 and 12 team leagues in my opinion.

you say he is putting it together later in games and he put up numbers that other QBs have not vs Detroit. the only reason these things happened was Detroit got up too much. the defense that started the game was not the same one once Det was up 44-3. he was basically the beneficiary of him sucking so badly at the start that he took the edge off the defense and even then he simply got his numbers on volume due to his turnovers being returned for TDs. the only reason he got 39 attempts was Detroit was scoring on his turnovers. are you going to bet that he will get huge amounts of opportunities against backup defenses because he is constantly giving away TDs every week? of course not, don't simply look at the stat line. I have said it from the get go, you cannot rely on him as a QB1 simply because of a very tiny sample size.

Not "putting it together". I think he sucks as an nfl qb...as stated in my post. I mean, putting it together from a fantasy standpoint. and WHO THE HECK CARES that he did it vs detroits backups on defense? Really? you care? Denver's defense sucks as bad as tebow does and that bodes well for tebow and the passing game in garbage time. For YEARS one of the best things about payton manning was that indy's defense was horrible so you just KNEW that payton was gonna be throwing the rock all game long to keep pace with opposing teams. So now that is a bad thing with tebow? Again, this is FANTASY FOOTBALL. I dont care if tebow puts up 17.9 pts against detroits starters, or their backups, or a division III college team. As long as the points ount for my fantasy team Ill take em! and I AM looking at the stat lines..his last NFL starts have translated into mid QB1 fantasy production. When that trend stops, I will stop starting him, plain and simple.

Why make this hobby harder than it needs to be? If you have someone putting up fantasy pts week in and out, START them, unless you have a better option like one of the guys I named above. When the production stops, BENCH them. Ride the train until it stops.

I'm just saying they won't be this bad every week. lots of his points came due to huge volume vs Det's backups because Det did not have the ball because they had 2 defensive TDs off Tebow turnovers.my point is it is not sustainable to expect him to have the ball vs backups or less than fully jacked up starters for so many chances every week. not every INT or fumble will be run in.

I hear you. But not everybge will be against an awesome defense like Detroit either. Tebow seems to somehow defy the odds and put up fantasy stats every week for his owners while the detractors about him continue to bash him and talk about how this isn't sustainable. My point is, you might be right.. But keep starting him until he stops producing fantasy points. Then bench him.

fair enough, I will add you should definitely have a backup plan in place. I thought the experts recommending people to trade Ben or Schaub and go with Tebow were just really irresponsible and way too quick to jump on the Tebow bandwagon.

 

[nysfl2]

First time watching Tebow today. He seemed not that terrible hitting quick, short passes, but horribly inaccurate for anything over about 15 yards. I did however, enjoy watching the play where he was getting sacked until his offensive lineman pulled him up like the hand of God and held him upright until he could get the pass off. Damn near completed the thing, too.

 

[yoman]

I would argue that Brees was ready to be written off by everyone until Rivers was drafted... After Rivers arrived, Brees became good.... so sometimes you can't always spot the suck.

Brees was ready to be written off as a starter, but only because he was considered mediocre and there was a star college player coming in. Brees was never considered terrible, from what I can recall. And so I say again: when a player TRULY sucks...you know.

Disagree... he sucked pretty bad. He actually regressed his 3rd year... he had a 67.5 passer rating, 11 TD, 15 INT, 2108 yds passing... he plain sucked. Everyone was shocked in his revival the following year, where he posted career highs across the board.

He sucked so bad that the Saints signed him for $60 Mil over 6 years. He was coming off of shoulder surgery which is why he had a down year before he went there. He was a former pro bowl QB and his injury was the only reason people were scared to sign him. I don't know if anyone envisioned what he has become but he was pretty good.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

I would argue that Brees was ready to be written off by everyone until Rivers was drafted... After Rivers arrived, Brees became good.... so sometimes you can't always spot the suck.

Brees was ready to be written off as a starter, but only because he was considered mediocre and there was a star college player coming in. Brees was never considered terrible, from what I can recall. And so I say again: when a player TRULY sucks...you know.

Disagree... he sucked pretty bad. He actually regressed his 3rd year... he had a 67.5 passer rating, 11 TD, 15 INT, 2108 yds passing... he plain sucked. Everyone was shocked in his revival the following year, where he posted career highs across the board.

He sucked so bad that the Saints signed him for $60 Mil over 6 years. He was coming off of shoulder surgery which is why he had a down year before he went there. He was a former pro bowl QB and his injury was the only reason people were scared to sign him. I don't know if anyone envisioned what he has become but he was pretty good.

You guys aren't disagreeing with each other. Saint is talking about the years before Rivers was drafted (in which Brees looked like he'd never be an NFL QB). yoman is talking about the years after Rivers was drafted (in which Brees looked like a Pro Bowler).

 

[Saint]

I would argue that Brees was ready to be written off by everyone until Rivers was drafted... After Rivers arrived, Brees became good.... so sometimes you can't always spot the suck.

Brees was ready to be written off as a starter, but only because he was considered mediocre and there was a star college player coming in. Brees was never considered terrible, from what I can recall. And so I say again: when a player TRULY sucks...you know.

Disagree... he sucked pretty bad. He actually regressed his 3rd year... he had a 67.5 passer rating, 11 TD, 15 INT, 2108 yds passing... he plain sucked. Everyone was shocked in his revival the following year, where he posted career highs across the board.

He sucked so bad that the Saints signed him for $60 Mil over 6 years. He was coming off of shoulder surgery which is why he had a down year before he went there. He was a former pro bowl QB and his injury was the only reason people were scared to sign him. I don't know if anyone envisioned what he has become but he was pretty good.

You guys aren't disagreeing with each other. Saint is talking about the years before Rivers was drafted (in which Brees looked like he'd never be an NFL QB). yoman is talking about the years after Rivers was drafted (in which Brees looked like a Pro Bowler).

Exactly.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

First time watching Tebow today. He seemed not that terrible hitting quick, short passes, but horribly inaccurate for anything over about 15 yards. I did however, enjoy watching the play where he was getting sacked until his offensive lineman pulled him up like the hand of God and held him upright until he could get the pass off. Damn near completed the thing, too.

That 4th down pass where he overthrew eddie royal about 5 feet too high on a quick out (and laid him out for a licking) was one of the worst passes I have seen in a while by an NFL QB on a very basic throw.