Tebow for the championship... (1 Viewer)

[Captain Fantastic]

Won't go into specifics (paid content), but if you had told me at the beginning of the season that FBG would have Tebow rated a Top 10 QB for Week 16, I would have laughed. Hard.

And props to Dodds & co for making a call with some real cojones. It would have been "safe" to put Tebow in the 15-20 range, indicating he had "upside" against the Texans defense but also not necessarily advocating a QB1 status in most leagues.

Will it happen? Who knows? I think he has a shot. With the Texans pass defense, passing for 200 with 1-2 TDs is not out of the question. And there's an excellent chance he adds another 50 yds rushing and potentially a rushing TD. If that happens, then he may be a top 5 guy this week and could win people some championships.

Regardless, it's certainly making for some interesting FF watercooler talk for anyone who made the championship game despite a shaky QB situation. I rode Orton most of the year with Kitna taking up the slack the past few weeks. I suspect there are others in similar boats. Even teams with decent QB starters may be thinking hard about a Tebow start over guys like Ryan, Flacco or E-Manning.

There have been many a championship won on the backs of out-of-nowhere performances by lower-tier guys. This one is extra fun since the guy in question is so polarizing (just in terms of his QB potential, not even thinking about the nonfootball stuff).

Basically all comes down to...are you a proponent of high-risk/high-reward or the safe bet?

This is why we love the game...

 

[longlip]

I have shaub and tebow, yes they are facing each other with both having terrible defs....I think houston will run the ball with a big lead...I'm gonna ride tebow and hope...

 

[JMJ]

I have shaub and tebow, yes they are facing each other with both having terrible defs....I think houston will run the ball with a big lead...I'm gonna ride tebow and hope...

Wow. This is my EXACT situation. Schaub is the hottest QB in the NFL right now (averaging 352 ypg and 2.33 TDs in his last three games) but I'm strongly considering starting Tebow.

 

[emge]

I have shaub and tebow, yes they are facing each other with both having terrible defs....I think houston will run the ball with a big lead...I'm gonna ride tebow and hope...

Wow. This is my EXACT situation. Schaub is the hottest QB in the NFL right now (4 straight 300+ yard passing games) but I'm strongly considering starting Tebow.

do it, and come back and tell us how you lost your SB because you started a QB that only started 1 NFL game in his life, when you could have started the guy throwing 300+ yds per game over the last month

 

[JMJ]

I have shaub and tebow, yes they are facing each other with both having terrible defs....I think houston will run the ball with a big lead...I'm gonna ride tebow and hope...

Wow. This is my EXACT situation. Schaub is the hottest QB in the NFL right now (4 straight 300+ yard passing games) but I'm strongly considering starting Tebow.

do it, and come back and tell us how you lost your SB because you started a QB that only started 1 NFL game in his life, when you could have started the guy throwing 300+ yds per game over the last month

Haha. It isn't as crazy as you think. Houston's defense was the worst in the league when they had Mario Williams, they are even worse without him!Also, my opponent has Andre Johnson and Arian Foster ... they are Schaub's number 1 and number 2 receivers this year. Don't know if that makes it a better idea or a worse idea to start/sit Schaub.

 

[Captain Fantastic]

For me, the biggest fear factor involving Tebow has to be a completely healthy Orton on the sideline. One has to wonder IF Houston gets a decent lead (not like Denver's defense is stopping anyone) and the score at halftime is 21-0, will Orton start the second half?

This is not a worry with Schaub or Kitna or Flacco or many other QBs, but it is worth considering on Tebow.

Then again, the season is lost for Denver, maybe the new regime figures it just doesn't matter and would keep Tebow in regardless of score. Hard to say...

 

[Summer Wheat]

I am starting Tebow in one league. God willing I will come out on top.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I have shaub and tebow, yes they are facing each other with both having terrible defs....I think houston will run the ball with a big lead...I'm gonna ride tebow and hope...

Wow. This is my EXACT situation. Schaub is the hottest QB in the NFL right now (4 straight 300+ yard passing games) but I'm strongly considering starting Tebow.

do it, and come back and tell us how you lost your SB because you started a QB that only started 1 NFL game in his life, when you could have started the guy throwing 300+ yds per game over the last month

I think anyone starting Tebow is taking a real unnecessary chance. His team limited him to 16 atempts last week. Sure Houston is bad against the pass but Rusty Smith did nothing against them despite the juicy matchup. Yes, Tebow has more potential than Rusty Smith, but the point is matchups are not everything. Tebow is very unproven - he looked OK last week, not great.Could Tebow outproduce a solid option like a Shaub or a Flacco? Sure, but do you really want to risk a championship on it?The risk FAR outweighs the reward here imo.

 

[emge]

I am starting Tebow in one league. God willing I will come out on top.

God bless your soul

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Tebow and Grossman are both the FF Waiver wire QB's of the moment. One is a mirage and the other is the real deal.

Tebow = mirage

Grossman = real deal.

 

[thehornet]

I have shaub and tebow, yes they are facing each other with both having terrible defs....I think houston will run the ball with a big lead...I'm gonna ride tebow and hope...

Wow. This is my EXACT situation. Schaub is the hottest QB in the NFL right now (4 straight 300+ yard passing games) but I'm strongly considering starting Tebow.

do it, and come back and tell us how you lost your SB because you started a QB that only started 1 NFL game in his life, when you could have started the guy throwing 300+ yds per game over the last month

Haha. It isn't as crazy as you think. Houston's defense was the worst in the league when they had Mario Williams, they are even worse without him!Also, my opponent has Andre Johnson and Arian Foster ... they are Schaub's number 1 and number 2 receivers this year. Don't know if that makes it a better idea or a worse idea to start/sit Schaub.

yes it is. tebow is so bad he could lay an egg against any team.

 

[JMJ]

Could Tebow outproduce a solid option like a Shaub or a Flacco? Sure, but do you really want to risk a championship on it?

Does the fact that my opponent has both Andre Johnson and Arian Foster change that?Those guys can't blow up without Schaub having at least a good game, but if those guys have crap games that would mean Schaub also probably did not have a great game since they are his #1 and #2 receivers.

I expect Schaub to have about 275 and 2 TDs (23 points in my league)

I expect Tebow to have about 175 passing and 1 TD, and 50 yards rushing and another TD (24 points in my league)

With it being that close, I should probably just go with the safer option (Schaub), but if either does better than the numbers I put up above, I'd expect it to be Tebow and not Schaub so I could be leaving points on the bench.

 

[Romofan]

Wow are people actually considering starting Tebow in their championship game??? I can understand trying him out in a consolation bracket but for the whole enchilada?!? That's a risk I would not be willing to take - Rex Grossman vs JAX if you are that desperate............at least he's been in the NFL longer than 5 minutes....

 

[thehornet]

Could Tebow outproduce a solid option like a Shaub or a Flacco? Sure, but do you really want to risk a championship on it?

Does the fact that my opponent has both Andre Johnson and Arian Foster change that?Those guys can't blow up without Schaub having at least a good game, but if those guys have crap games that would mean Schaub also probably did not have a great game since they are his #1 and #2 receivers.

I expect Schaub to have about 275 and 2 TDs (23 points in my league)

I expect Tebow to have about 175 passing and 1 TD, and 50 yards rushing and another TD (24 points in my league)

With it being that close, I should probably just go with the safer option (Schaub), but if either does better than the numbers I put up above, I'd expect it to be Tebow and not Schaub so I could be leaving points on the bench.

you expect 50 rushing and a td. that's your problem right there. it's highly unlikely.

 

[lod01]

Tebow and Grossman are both the FF Waiver wire QB's of the moment. One is a mirage and the other is the real deal.Tebow = mirageGrossman = real deal.

Grossman should easily outperform Tebow. If Houston (HUGE IF) learns anything from the Raiders game film, Tebow will see all 11 guys at the LOS for the defense. He won't be running anywhere. If they don't watch it and learn, well, tehy are stupid.

 

[Romofan]

I have shaub and tebow, yes they are facing each other with both having terrible defs....I think houston will run the ball with a big lead...I'm gonna ride tebow and hope...

You don't think Schaub will have any contribution to that big lead??

 

[Lascelle]

The only unproven QB who should be getting a start in a fantasy championship game this weekend is Joe Webb... as a receiver... in a "start 3 WR Yahoo! league".

And that's it.

 

[Summer Wheat]

I am starting Tebow in one league. God willing I will come out on top.

God bless your soul

Thank you my brother..

 

[howo5]

Sexy Rexy over Timmay Tebow for me here, ppl aren't seeing the downside, as exhibited by Rusty Smith. Denver coaching is just not there and bad things can happen. Houston tends to play well when it means nothing and Jax tends to play bad when it means everything

 

[Romofan]

A lot of self destructive behavior in this thread. Actually I'd be willing to bet the people claiming they are "starting Tebow" are actually NOT playing in any championship games.

I call

 

[longlip]

Would it change things if I get 10pts per rushing td(helps tebow) and 6pts per passing td + yardage...I agree its a gamble but foster is the guy to play in this game, shaub may not have 25 attemps..

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Could Tebow outproduce a solid option like a Shaub or a Flacco? Sure, but do you really want to risk a championship on it?

Does the fact that my opponent has both Andre Johnson and Arian Foster change that?Those guys can't blow up without Schaub having at least a good game, but if those guys have crap games that would mean Schaub also probably did not have a great game since they are his #1 and #2 receivers.

I expect Schaub to have about 275 and 2 TDs (23 points in my league)

I expect Tebow to have about 175 passing and 1 TD, and 50 yards rushing and another TD (24 points in my league)

With it being that close, I should probably just go with the safer option (Schaub), but if either does better than the numbers I put up above, I'd expect it to be Tebow and not Schaub so I could be leaving points on the bench.

I think your expectations for Tebow are his ceiling. A rushing TD is no sure thing, and neither is the passing TD. Most of his yards and his TD came on one pass last week. While it was a nicely thrown ball it was also an ill advised pass as Llyod was double covered in the corner of the endzone.I'm actually in the opposite situation as you in that I have AJ and Foster and my opponent has Shaub. His other option at QB is Cassell, but I'd love it if he benched Shaub and picked up Tebow.

Tebow is a huge risk. He completed only 8 passes last week, 8.

 

[PatytonsGhost]

As an Eli owner his matchup scares me with the game at Pack stadium, and a above average pass D. Tebow is playing an awful D at home, I think he will have no problems getting to at least 20 points. Giants will probably rely on the two headed RB monster and be conservative with the ball.

And yes I am in the Championship game

 

[Captain Fantastic]

Agree that Tebow is a huge risk, but disagree with how low some are setting his ceiling here.

Yes, he is a rookie. Yes, he only completed 8 passes last week. Yes, there are plenty of questions about the transferability of his QB skill to the NFL level.

BUT, there are some positives here, too.

1. The Denver offensive machine CAN work and work well. It's stalled the past month but this is the same offense and primarily the same surrounding cast that put Orton in a decent position for the passing title for the first several weeks of the season. (I know Tebow is not Orton, but I'm just saying the pieces may be there.)

2. Plenty of rookie QBs have been capable of putting up solid stats under the right circumstances.

3. Houston defense is probably the best scenario for Tebow under the circumstances.

Do I think it's LIKELY that Tebow blows the doors off this week? No. But I certainly don't think it's out of the realm of possibility, and really not that far-fetched. I think his CEILING is pretty darn high. So I can see taking a shot for that ceiling.

Let's be honest, if you're CONSIDERING Tebow, then that means you don't have a rock-solid QB to begin with. I would argue that very few teams in the championship game don't have at least ONE weak position. If that position is QB, then I wouldn't see Tebow as an unreasonable start against some other mid-range QBs.

I'm debating Tebow over Kitna. Will I take that chance? Probably not. I like Kitna against Arizona in a prime time Christmasy game. But hey, a number of FF sites have Tebow ranked higher than Kitna this week. Are they crazy? Am I crazy? We won't know until hindsight tells us. You can brag about winning the championship with the ballsiest QB start ever, or you can beat your head against the wall screaming "what was I thinking starting TEBOW?"

It's why we play the game.

 

[Summer Wheat]

I see Tebow getting 50 rushing yards, 1 rushing TD. 125-150 passing yards 1 passing TD. If my math is correct that is in the 19-20 point area. I will take it and not look back.

 

[PahtyTom]

HOUSTON CAN'T TACKLE

If Tebow gets loose in the secondary fuhgedaboudit

He is a good start

Schaub is the best start of the week tho, so there is no way in hell I would bench him

And Grossman is good start as well

Since those are the names thrown around in here I'd say it is:

1. Schaub

2. Tebow

3. Rexy

 

[emge]

HOUSTON CAN'T TACKLEIf Tebow gets loose in the secondary fuhgedabouditHe is a good startSchaub is the best start of the week tho, so there is no way in hell I would bench him And Grossman is good start as wellSince those are the names thrown around in here I'd say it is:1. Schaub2. Tebow3. Rexy

I'd put Kitna right around Schaub too.

 

[Kit Fisto]

A lot of self destructive behavior in this thread. Actually I'd be willing to bet the people claiming they are "starting Tebow" are actually NOT playing in any championship games.I call

I'm starting Tebow over Sanchez in a championship game this weekend.

 

[az_prof]

I have shaub and tebow, yes they are facing each other with both having terrible defs....I think houston will run the ball with a big lead...I'm gonna ride tebow and hope...

I think I would go with him over Shaub. I have him and Brees, and can't see starting him over Brees.

 

[PatytonsGhost]

I just asked Jesus this morning if I should start Tebow and he said, against that awful Houston D and my guiding light there is not a doubt my son.

 

[lod01]

A lot of self destructive behavior in this thread. Actually I'd be willing to bet the people claiming they are "starting Tebow" are actually NOT playing in any championship games.I call

I'm starting Tebow over Sanchez in a championship game this weekend.

But that's not saying much. The Sanchize vs Chicago. I'd start a lot of guys over that upcoming disaster.

 

[NeverEnough]

The more I think about putting Tebow in over Flacco the more I don't like it. However, now I'm thinking maybe go Grossman over Flacco....

 

[nickel&dime]

Dropped Kitna for Tebow. I have Freeman in case I chicken out on starting Tebow. Yes, this is for the championship game. I've used Cutler/Kitna/Freeman for most of the season to get by. I might be drinking the koolaid on Tebow's upside, but with him starting at home against Houston I could see a lot of points being scored.

Gambling is what got me to the championship. I'm not going to stop now. Well, maybe...

 

[Kit Fisto]

A lot of self destructive behavior in this thread. Actually I'd be willing to bet the people claiming they are "starting Tebow" are actually NOT playing in any championship games.I call

I'm starting Tebow over Sanchez in a championship game this weekend.

But that's not saying much. The Sanchize vs Chicago. I'd start a lot of guys over that upcoming disaster.

You know it.

 

[Stealthycat]

I'm going Grossman over Big Ben - NOT using Tebow even though I could

 

[NoCheese]

A lot of self destructive behavior in this thread. Actually I'd be willing to bet the people claiming they are "starting Tebow" are actually NOT playing in any championship games.I call

I'm starting Tebow over Sanchez in a championship game this weekend.

But that's not saying much. The Sanchize vs Chicago. I'd start a lot of guys over that upcoming disaster.

Is this anything like the upcoming Vick disaster against the NYG?

 

[Wilbur Wood]

I am in SuperFlex championship in which I can (don't have to) and will start 2 QB's.

QB#1 Mike Vick ( a no brainer)

I have 4 options for QB #2

Garrard, Cutler, Rex, Tebow

I am flirting with Tebow. However, I am shying away due to:

1) Denver could be in "free fall" and lay an egg on the road. Houston despite its awful D did just 20-0 Tenn with an untested QB

2) Game film is now out on Tebow and he may have struggled against certain looks that he will now see a lot more of.

Garrard is the safest choice, ~ 15 pts and Jack will be playing to win.

I am leaning towards Rex as I think there is a reasonable chance that Wash staff will want to continue to put up strong offensive numbers with Rex at the helm to justify the McNabb benching.

Cutler is still too inconsistent. He is steadier these days, but I like Garrard's matchup better and would go with Garrard if I want to go "conventional"

So here's my pecking order:

Rex

Garrard

Cutler

Tebow

 

[EvilTodd]

1) Denver could be in "free fall" and lay an egg on the road. Houston despite its awful D did just 20-0 Tenn with an untested QB

I'm not sure it changes your rankings but Denver is at home vs Houston.I'm debating between Garrard, Freeman and Tebow for my championship game.

 

[Erin Go Bragh]

I have shaub and tebow, yes they are facing each other with both having terrible defs....I think houston will run the ball with a big lead...I'm gonna ride tebow and hope...

I think I would go with him over Shaub. I have him and Brees, and can't see starting him over Brees.

I own Brees, Kitna and Tebow in one league. Tebow outscored the other two in week 15. The suggestion that someone would be crazy to start Tebow this week because he only has one NFL start makes no sense. He had zero starts going into last week. Would it have been crazy to start Tebow last week over those two? The results say it would have been the right thing to do.

 

[rocketsauce]

Picked up Tebow today. I have Rodgers. We play a 2 week combined score for our Championship, and I'm down 58 (!) going into this week. So I need Hail Mary plays.

Would anyone in this thread advocate playing Tebow over Rodgers (v Giants) in this situation? We receive NO negative points. 6 pts all tds. I have Greg Jennings as well, if that factors in one way or another.

Oh, and the team I'm playing is named.....Tebow Nation. No joke.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I have shaub and tebow, yes they are facing each other with both having terrible defs....I think houston will run the ball with a big lead...I'm gonna ride tebow and hope...

I think I would go with him over Shaub. I have him and Brees, and can't see starting him over Brees.

I own Brees, Kitna and Tebow in one league. Tebow outscored the other two in week 15. The suggestion that someone would be crazy to start Tebow this week because he only has one NFL start makes no sense. He had zero starts going into last week. Would it have been crazy to start Tebow last week over those two? The results say it would have been the right thing to do.

Yes it would have been. I could choose to drive home from work tonight blindfolded and if I make it home safe it doesn't mean it wasn't a crazy decision.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Picked up Tebow today. I have Rodgers. We play a 2 week combined score for our Championship, and I'm down 58 (!) going into this week. So I need Hail Mary plays.

Would anyone in this thread advocate playing Tebow over Rodgers (v Giants) in this situation? We receive NO negative points. 6 pts all tds. I have Greg Jennings as well, if that factors in one way or another. Oh, and the team I'm playing is named.....Tebow Nation. No joke.

While you should porbably play Rodgers anyway, the fact that you need a "hail mary" indicates that the wise decision would be to start Rodgers since you have Jennings. You can double up on a big Jennings day that way, which benefits your needs.

 

[Romofan]

I have shaub and tebow, yes they are facing each other with both having terrible defs....I think houston will run the ball with a big lead...I'm gonna ride tebow and hope...

I think I would go with him over Shaub. I have him and Brees, and can't see starting him over Brees.

I own Brees, Kitna and Tebow in one league. Tebow outscored the other two in week 15. The suggestion that someone would be crazy to start Tebow this week because he only has one NFL start makes no sense. He had zero starts going into last week. Would it have been crazy to start Tebow last week over those two? The results say it would have been the right thing to do.

Yes it would have been. I could choose to drive home from work tonight blindfolded and if I make it home safe it doesn't mean it wasn't a crazy decision.

 

[Captain Fantastic]

I have shaub and tebow, yes they are facing each other with both having terrible defs....I think houston will run the ball with a big lead...I'm gonna ride tebow and hope...

I think I would go with him over Shaub. I have him and Brees, and can't see starting him over Brees.

I own Brees, Kitna and Tebow in one league. Tebow outscored the other two in week 15. The suggestion that someone would be crazy to start Tebow this week because he only has one NFL start makes no sense. He had zero starts going into last week. Would it have been crazy to start Tebow last week over those two? The results say it would have been the right thing to do.

Yes it would have been. I could choose to drive home from work tonight blindfolded and if I make it home safe it doesn't mean it wasn't a crazy decision.

Kinda disagree. Let's say you drive home five times with one of those of times being blindfolded. In the four drives with your eyes wide open, you have auto accidents. The one time blindfolded, you make it home safe and sound.Now, it's a crazy decision UNLESS you have valid reasons to believe driving home blindfolded might be a better decision than doing it with your eyes open. Maybe you're strong with the Force of something.

Perhaps not the best analogy, but I'm working with what we've got here.

The championship game is about making the right call for ONE WEEK. You don't want to start Tebow all season. I get that. It would be dumb. But is it dumb to start him for ONE GAME if you believe there are valid reasons to do so? Whether it's because Tebow is in a good situation to score points or because your OTHER QB options might have bad situations. The point is, if you feel like you're strong enough with the Force that driving home blindfolded is the better option THIS ONE TIME, then maybe it's not such a crazy decision.

Of course, keep in mind I'm not advocating giving Tebow the start, but I AM saying it's not out of the realm of possibility that he scores like a Top 5-10 QB this week. If I were a betting man, I'd bet that he scores in the QB12-QB18 range, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if he cracks the Top 10.

And if you do start him, it'd be kind of FUN (if you're the kind of guy who can live with rolling dice and accept the outcome however they come up). This game is supposed to be fun...right?

 

[daveR]

A lot of self destructive behavior in this thread. Actually I'd be willing to bet the people claiming they are "starting Tebow" are actually NOT playing in any championship games.I call

+1I'm a fan, but starting him over Schaub is idiocy if they're serious. On the other hand, I would go with him over a tough match-up.

 

[footballnerd]

I take it you guys are going off of Dodds "early" projections as those are the only ones out. I don't doubt the potential is there, but some of you guys are sitting players, in a championship game, with similar projections and are safer plays to get there. Unless you are in a boom or bust situation you should go with your normal stud.

 

[MDSkinner]

I take it you guys are going off of Dodds "early" projections as those are the only ones out. I don't doubt the potential is there, but some of you guys are sitting players, in a championship game, with similar projections and are safer plays to get there. Unless you are in a boom or bust situation you should go with your normal stud.

Not making this a WDIS, but since this is the Championship week for most I think Tebow makes an interesting play at the QB position for a team that has been using the revolving door at QB late in the year. There are a lot of QB's out there like Kitna, Collins, Henne maybe even a Cutler or Fitzpatrick (high highs and low lows types of QB's) who may very well be a more sure thing. But at the same time in the title game is the sure thing what you want or is it the high potential?ETA: I am not suggesting sitting Rodgers, Brees, Manning, Vick, etc..but if you are looking at waiver wire or very definitely fringe type QB's why not consider him this week?

 

[Erin Go Bragh]

If there was money on the line, I would play Brees. However, I'm in a bragging rights dynasty league in which I was laughed at for drafting Tebow at the end of the first round. If I win the title with him I Am Legend. I'll judge where I stand as the 1pm games are coming to a close. I can live with it if I lose. Losing with Tebow would not suck as much as winning with him would rule.

 

[notdarkyet]

I picked him up for bench points. I couldnt imagine starting him in the Super Bowl. You would have to be hurting at the position pretty bad IMO.

 

[munygon2]

I have Vick and Ryan starting in my 2 QB league (for the championship), but Tebow is an intriguing option to play instead of Ryan. I'll have to wait and see how many pts I will need to get the win since my opponent has Brady/Cutler both playing in the 1pm time slot. All of my Qb's play later in the day, so I'll wait and see if I need to roll the dice or not with Tebow.