Ted Ginn runs a 4.38 at his pro-day. (1 Viewer)

[Andy Dufresne]

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Ted Ginn runs a 4.38 40-yard dash

Wide receiver Ted Ginn ran three 40-yard dashes today during a private work out for NFL scouts. His best time was 4.38 seconds. He was unable to perform any drills after he slipped on numerous pass routes. This could indicate he's still having problems with his injured ankle or it could be due to the rainy conditions in Columbus, Ohio.

Ginn has seen his stock fall slightly after missing the combine and Ohio State's Pro Day due to his injury. While 4.38 is a good time, most scouts were expecting a little better number. Ginn will battle Robert Meachem, Dwayne Jarrett, and Dwayne Bowe to be the second receiver taken on draft day.

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I'd say it's not good news for the Ginn camp.

 

[jurb26]

Ummm, I thought his w/o was on Thursday.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

does anybody doubt his game speed? I think this has as much effect on his draft stock as Bush's 40 time had last year... zilch. Now he could have improved it with a time in the 4.2s, but a 4.38 should not change any scouts view of him.

 

[Romulan]

I hope he drops to the second round and the Bucs pick him.

 

[ImTheScientist]

He is not going to go top 10 like I have seen in a few mocks around here with that 40. For the record, I do think he will be good, but this hurts his chances of being the #2 WR selected. Draft day will be very interesting for Ted Ginn

 

[Toads]

Meaning?

None except that 1.) he was able to run, and 2.) he did run.

A lot of guys would have choosen not to run, looking at this "great opportunity" as having more to loose than to gain.

Ginn has gone from the second WR off the board to a 4th or 5th option. That means value is there for the guys willing to take advantage of that curve.

The fact that he ran at all and that he ran a respectable time (4.38 is, after all is said and done, .03 seconds removed from the WR's that lead the pack in 40's time) and who were training for months to demonstrate their best times for the NFL scouts.

Ginn's reported 4.30 speed is no lie. Now, if he was just a factor in the red zone.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

does anybody doubt his game speed? I think this has as much effect on his draft stock as Bush's 40 time had last year... zilch. Now he could have improved it with a time in the 4.2s, but a 4.38 should not change any scouts view of him.

Seems like the workout didn't tell people much of anything at all.Is his ankle still bad or was it the conditions?

 

[Evilgrin 72]

I think he was a possible top 10 pick, but with the injury concerns, I think he drops to late first round.

 

[ImTheScientist]

I think he was a possible top 10 pick, but with the injury concerns, I think he drops to late first round.

and his 40 time

 

[jurb26]

This link seems to tell a far brighter story for both Ginn and his "camp."

Although his stamina was less than ideal following months of rehabilitation for a sprained foot, Ohio State wide receiver Ted Ginn Jr. was still clocked in the 4.3s in the 40-yard sprint during a Wednesday workout for NFL scouts, a performance which likely strengthened his status as a top 15 selection in this month's draft.

Ginn, who was unable to work out at the NFL combine sessions at Indianapolis in February, and, thus, was viewed as a bit of a wild card in the first round, ran the 40 three times during Wednesday's campus audition. According to scouts present at the workout, Ginn's times were between 4.37-4.45 seconds.

Had he been healthy, Ginn hoped to challenge Deion Sanders' unofficial combine record in the 40-yard sprint, 4.29 seconds, but his injury precluded that. The Buckeyes' star recently has been running consistently in the 4.3s during training sessions, and his Wednesday times should have been more than satisfactory for scouts.

Overall conditioning remains a problem, however, for Ginn, who probably needs three or four more weeks to be back to optimum shape. Ginn suffered a left mid-foot sprain when teammates piled on him to celebrate his 93-yard touchdown return of the opening kickoff in the BCS championship game against the University of Florida more than two months ago.

The workout on Wednesday consisted of Ginn running the 40 and of going through a series of receiving drills. Scouts said Ginn caught the ball well and demonstrated a fluid running style but that, with his foot still not 100 percent, he was not as explosive in and out of his cuts as they project him to be when he is fully recovered.

Most teams rate Ginn the No. 2 wide receiver prospect in the draft, behind only Georgia Tech's Calvin Johnson, and some projections have him a top 10 choice. Beyond the foot injury, the only other concerns about Ginn revolve around his thin build. At the combine, he measured 5-feet-11 ¼ and 178 pounds.

In three seasons, Ginn was one of the college game's most dynamic playmakers, both as a receiver and a return man. He posted 125 receptions for 1,943 yards and 15 touchdowns in 37 games at Ohio State. Ginn averaged 14.1 yards and scored six times on 64 punt returns. He scored two touchdowns, and averaged 26.6 yards on 38 kickoff returns, and rushed 28 times for 213 yards and three touchdowns.

His six touchdowns on combined kick returns tied an NCAA career record.

 

[jurb26]

I think he was a possible top 10 pick, but with the injury concerns, I think he drops to late first round.

and his 40 time

Ginn ran a 3.37 at less than 100%. There is no way in creation that time will hurt him IMO.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

This link seems to tell a far brighter story for both Ginn and his "camp."

That paints just as murky a picture.FWIW - I still think he's a stud in the making and any team that considers him a Troy Williamson clone is stupid.

 

[jurb26]

This link seems to tell a far brighter story for both Ginn and his "camp."

That paints just as murky a picture.FWIW - I still think he's a stud in the making and any team that considers him a Troy Williamson clone is stupid.

Huh, did you read it?

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

I don't think a stopwatch will be trying to catch him in the NFL. Of all the reason why he might slip, his 40 time should be the least of anyone's concern.

 

[Family Matters]

does anybody doubt his game speed? I think this has as much effect on his draft stock as Bush's 40 time had last year... zilch. Now he could have improved it with a time in the 4.2s, but a 4.38 should not change any scouts view of him.

You're right. For anyone to think otherwise is looking for something that isn't there. I know sometimes these things get overanalyzed and I'm sure that'll happen on Ginn as well. BTW-a 4.38 is pretty fast. It sounds like some are thinking he's slow because he didn't run a 4.28.

 

[Ned]

does anybody doubt his game speed? I think this has as much effect on his draft stock as Bush's 40 time had last year... zilch. Now he could have improved it with a time in the 4.2s, but a 4.38 should not change any scouts view of him.

 

[ImTheScientist]

I think he was a possible top 10 pick, but with the injury concerns, I think he drops to late first round.

and his 40 time

Ginn ran a 4.37 at less than 100%. There is no way in creation that time will hurt him IMO.

He can SAY all he wants about his 40 yard dash time/injury/health. The facts: he ran a 4.37, that is not going to help him. If a team in the top 10 has a high opinion of him, they will select him regardless of the time. If teams were truely waiting for the work out and did not have their mind made up on him, they may be worried.

any team that considers him a Troy Williamson clone is stupid.

There may be some stupid teams out there then

 

[Frenchy Fuqua]

Interesting. If I'm not mistaken the track at OSU is notoriously fast. 6-3 230 pound WR Roy Hall ran a 4.41 on it last month. Gonzalez ran a 4.4 at the combine but I'd bet he would be in the low 4.3s had he run at OSU Pro Day. I guess I'd conclude that Ginn is either not healthy or not as fast as many thought he was. Still like Anthony Gonzalez as the best all-around WR from this program.

 

[jurb26]

I think he was a possible top 10 pick, but with the injury concerns, I think he drops to late first round.

and his 40 time

Ginn ran a 4.37 at less than 100%. There is no way in creation that time will hurt him IMO.

He can SAY all he wants about his 40 yard dash time/injury/health. The facts: he ran a 4.37, that is not going to help him. If a team in the top 10 has a high opinion of him, they will select him regardless of the time. If teams were truely waiting for the work out and did not have their mind made up on him, they may be worried.

I'm not saying the time will help him, just countering what seems to be an opinion that it hurt him. I assumed that was what you ment by supporting the "I think he drops to the late first round." portion of EG's post.Although I did not state it at the time. I also don't think the ankle thing will hurt him either. His ankle will heal and teams know that. As was stated by another poster, there are other reasons for concern with Ginn. His hands, route running and frame are all valid concerns. The reason I said the ESPN article seems brighter is that they said he caught the ball WELL and and performed strongly even though he was not 100%. That his cuts and speed are both expected to get better. Futhermore, that NFL teams know this and some see him as the #2 WR. I don't really see any way that the ESPN article is not looking good for Ginn other than the possibility that it is a fluff piece.

 

[jurb26]

Interesting. If I'm not mistaken the track at OSU is notoriously fast. 6-3 230 pound WR Roy Hall ran a 4.41 on it last month. Gonzalez ran a 4.4 at the combine but I'd bet he would be in the low 4.3s had he run at OSU Pro Day. I guess I'd conclude that Ginn is either not healthy or not as fast as many thought he was. Still like Anthony Gonzalez as the best all-around WR from this program.

It's says right in the article that he was not 100%.

 

[-OZ-]

I think he was a possible top 10 pick, but with the injury concerns, I think he drops to late first round.

He'd be damn scary in Indy.

 

[Weiner Dog]

Just a FYI...

Even though the OSU track is normally "fast", it's been raining ALL day here in Columbus.

 

[Family Matters]

I think he was a possible top 10 pick, but with the injury concerns, I think he drops to late first round.

He'd be damn scary in Indy.

That wouldn't be fair to the rest of the NFL.

 

[yellowdog]

Why wouldn't he work indoors at the Woody Hayes Center?

 

[AKComic]

Well, to use the same sort of logic I've seen analyzing other WRs 40 times... It should be noted that 4.38 is exactly .29 seconds FASTER than Jerry Rice, and he was the greatest receiver of all time, so...

(The above post should be garnished with a heaping tablespoon of sarcasm; serves 6)

 

[massraider]

There are certain players where the teams want to see the 40 time, wondering if the guy has breakaway speed.

They don't have these doubts about Ginn. They have two years of tape, where he was the fastest guy on the field.

He showed he could run 4.4, coming off an injury. Now, maybe some people that were looking forward to seeing what he could actually run are disappointed, and think it'll hurt him, but I don't think NFL teams were wondering.

 

[Weiner Dog]

Teddy Ginn Part Deux

link:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writ...book/index.html

 

[Double_J]

He is not going to go top 10 like I have seen in a few mocks around here with that 40. For the record, I do think he will be good, but this hurts his chances of being the #2 WR selected. Draft day will be very interesting for Ted Ginn

I don't think he was ever the number 2 receiver in this draft. Kirk Herbstreit and ESPN might want you to believe that, but it's not true. Why would an NFL team take Ginn over Bowe when Bowe is 2-3 inches taller, 50lbs. heavier and is only a tenth slower? Not to mention he runs better routes and has atleast the same hands if not better. Ginn is overhyped just like Troy Smith, Brady Quinn, and Dwayne Jarrett because they played for media darlings. Someone said that the stopwatch won't be chasing him on the field, Herbstreit won't be there to talk him up either though. Golic won't be there to pump up Quinn either. I'd put Ginn behind all of these guys: Calvin Johnson, Dwayne Bowe, Robert Meachem, Sidney Rice, Craig Davis, and Anthony Gonzalez.

 

[Jiggyonthehut]

Consistantly running low 4.3's despite being less than 100%? Sign me up.

*Please fall to the Jags at pick 17.*

 

[Andy Dufresne]

any team that considers him a Troy Williamson clone is stupid.

There may be some stupid teams out there then

Of that there is no doubt.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

The slow (for him) 40 time really DOESN'T do anything to his stock. He's still a mid-to-late first rounder. A faster, 4.2-ish time would have possibly moved him up a few spots.

The bigger "concern" (in regards to his moving up in the draft) has to be that he couldn't show MORE than just speed. Although that stuff SHOULD simply come by watching his film.

I guess in sum, it seems like today was much ado about nothing.

 

[Jiggyonthehut]

He is not going to go top 10 like I have seen in a few mocks around here with that 40. For the record, I do think he will be good, but this hurts his chances of being the #2 WR selected. Draft day will be very interesting for Ted Ginn

I don't think he was ever the number 2 receiver in this draft. Kirk Herbstreit and ESPN might want you to believe that, but it's not true. Why would an NFL team take Ginn over Bowe when Bowe is 2-3 inches taller, 50lbs. heavier and is only a tenth slower? Not to mention he runs better routes and has atleast the same hands if not better. Ginn is overhyped just like Troy Smith, Brady Quinn, and Dwayne Jarrett because they played for media darlings. Someone said that the stopwatch won't be chasing him on the field, Herbstreit won't be there to talk him up either though. Golic won't be there to pump up Quinn either. I'd put Ginn behind all of these guys: Calvin Johnson, Dwayne Bowe, Robert Meachem, Sidney Rice, Craig Davis, and Anthony Gonzalez.

First, if you tell me that on film, Ginn is only a tenth of a second faster than Bowe then you are a madman. Numbers dont even do justice in this situation. Teams would draft Ginn to be a dynamic returner and to contribute on offense. Dont let the numbers scare you here- instead the real question remains as to whether or not he will be able to cut effectively with that sort of injury without losing his explosiveness. Bowe is an entirely different beast. Big, physical, nice route runner- these are attributes that, for the most part, Ginn lacks. Bowe excels in those short-intermediate routes where he is strong enough to break the jam and physical enough to catch balls in traffic in order to move the chains. Ginn is a deep threat who makes up for his lack of bulk with speed to seperate from defenders downfield and take advantage. Ginn could not succeed to a great degree in Bowe's role nor could Bowe in Ginn's role. Hence, to compare these players on a numerical basis is crazy. Tell me something, would the Jaguars take Bowe when they already have two 1st round picks invested in tall, lanky, physical and super-athletic recievers? No, they would take Ginn because he has the skillset that the other two recievers lack. That is the key to an effective offense.

 

[Two Deep]

I think he was a possible top 10 pick, but with the injury concerns, I think he drops to late first round.

and his 40 time

Ginn ran a 3.37 at less than 100%. There is no way in creation that time will hurt him IMO.

 

[Jiggyonthehut]

The slow (for him) 40 time really DOESN'T do anything to his stock. He's still a mid-to-late first rounder. A faster, 4.2-ish time would have possibly moved him up a few spots.The bigger "concern" (in regards to his moving up in the draft) has to be that he couldn't show MORE than just speed. Although that stuff SHOULD simply come by watching his film.I guess in sum, it seems like today was much ado about nothing.

Getting a little greedy here arent we? Since when was consistantly running in the 4.3's much ado about nothing. If anything, it implies that Ginn is still one of the fastest recievers in this draft class and that with a healing injury that has him as less than 100%. Frankly, if I were calling the shots, I wouldnt be too concerned. Running a few 100th's of a second faster has never meant much. If anything, today confirmed what he STILL is- fast as hell. What will lure teams is that he HASN't lost his acceleration to a great degree and has the potential to be even faster when fully healed. Again, sign me up.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

The slow (for him) 40 time really DOESN'T do anything to his stock. He's still a mid-to-late first rounder. A faster, 4.2-ish time would have possibly moved him up a few spots.The bigger "concern" (in regards to his moving up in the draft) has to be that he couldn't show MORE than just speed. Although that stuff SHOULD simply come by watching his film.I guess in sum, it seems like today was much ado about nothing.

Getting a little greedy here arent we? Since when was consistantly running in the 4.3's much ado about nothing. If anything, it implies that Ginn is still one of the fastest recievers in this draft class and that with a healing injury that has him as less than 100%. Frankly, if I were calling the shots, I wouldnt be too concerned. Running a few 100th's of a second faster has never meant much. If anything, today confirmed what he STILL is- fast as hell. What will lure teams is that he HASN't lost his acceleration to a great degree and has the potential to be even faster when fully healed. Again, sign me up.

THat's what I'm saying. Today told everyone what they already knew. He's fast. TODAY was much ado about nothing. The fact that Ginn is consistently fast is not nothing.

 

[Dave Stauff]

Not meaning to hijack, but this fits into the evaluation somewhere:

(Rotoworld) One undisclosed NFL team is reportedly planning to send its defensive backs coach to work out Ted Ginn Jr. in Columbus, Ohio.Impact: Ginn was the No. 1 high school cornerback recruit before the Buckeyes chose to make his primary college position wide receiver. There was talk back in February that Ginn might prefer corner to wideout in the NFL.

Let the buyer beware . . .

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Sounds like those in attendance WERE impressed.

Injured left foot can't slow Ted Ginn

At `75 to 80 percent,' receiver wows scouts

By Marla Ridenour

Beacon Journal sportswriter

COLUMBUS - St. Louis Rams coach Scott Linehan knew Ted Ginn Jr.'s sprained left foot wasn't fully healed.

But the Rams still chartered a plane and brought a six-man contingent to the Woody Hayes Athletic Center on Wednesday to see the private workout of Ohio State's speedy junior flanker and kick returner.

``He's making progress. Obviously there's still a ways to go yet,'' Linehan said afterward. ``But even not 100 percent, he ran faster than most guys.''

Nearly every NFL team was represented, and most scouts who filtered out of the building said their stop watches timed Ginn in 4.4 seconds in the 40-yard dash. Ginn made three tries and his father, Ted Ginn Sr., said his son went in 4.38, 4.40 and 4.41. Ginn's agent, Neil Cornrich, was not permitted to attend, but said Ginn's times were all 4.3s.

``Ted is never pleased. I was OK with it,'' said Ginn Sr., who figured his son was ``75 to 80 percent.''

Ginn Jr. declined to be interviewed.

``He's still not fully healed,'' said Miami Dolphins college scout Ellis Rainsberger, who worked for the Browns under former coach Bill Belichick. ``He was limping and wore down toward the end. He did great getting to do what he did.''

Linehan also gave Ginn points for trying.

``No question. We had heard he was going to do the best he could and was making progress,'' Linehan said. ``I talked to coach (Jim) Tressel. He said he's been working very hard at getting himself back. You can't push these things. A lot of guys get hurt during football season. He got hurt real recently so you don't want to rush it. He's going to be just fine.''

The Rams hold the 13th overall pick in the April 28 NFL Draft. It might have been no coincidence that a mock draft crawl running on ESPNews on Wednesday had Ginn going to the Rams. Among those staffers watching was Rams receivers coach Henry Ellard, a former NFL standout.

Cincinnati Bengals coach Marvin Lewis also attended. The drills, which included pass patterns, were run by Dolphins receivers coach Terry Robiskie, the former Browns assistant. His son Brian is a split end at Ohio State.

Ginn will hold another session Monday at OSU for one team, said Ginn Sr., who would not reveal the team. Another team is considering sending its defensive backs coach to work out Ginn.

Ginn, who is the Big Ten's all-time leader with six career punt returns for touchdowns and another two on kickoffs, was injured three months ago. He was hurt in the celebration after his 93-yard scoring return on the opening kickoff in Ohio State's loss to the University of Florida in the BCS National Championship Game. Ginn Sr. said his son began running just three weeks ago.

``He's a go-getter, so he's showing the effort of trying to do it,'' Ginn Sr. said. ``Other people probably wouldn't even try.''

Asked what doctors were telling him about Ginn's recovery, Ginn Sr. said, ``They said six weeks, three months, it could be longer. I don't think it's in the doctors' hands, I think it's in the Lord's hands.''

Linehan sounded willing to be patient with a player whom he thinks can have the same impact as Chicago Bears standout Devin Hester, a rookie from the University of Miami who had six returns for touchdowns in 2006 (including postseason).

``I saw it with my own eyes with Devin Hester last year on Monday Night Football,'' Linehan said. ``He changes games, he affects games. (Ginn) is going to do the same things at the next level that Devin is doing. What Devin did in college, (Ginn) has done here at Ohio State. You have to game plan around a guy like that.''

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Marla Ridenour can be reached at mridenour@thebeaconjournal.com.

I'm really beginning to think Ginn to St. Louis might be real.

 

[Bojang0301]

I think that Ginn will be the 2nd Wr off the board simply because his return ability.

If I'm an NFL team no way do I reach for a WR in the first in this draft. Guys like Anthony Gonzalez and Jason Hill will be sitting there in the second so why would I take a WR in the first unless they had some other way to contribute to the team or is a complete utter freak (CJ).