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Tell me about Kansas State QB Josh Freeman (1 Viewer)
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Doctor Detroit
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He has a lot of "upside" for sure with his size and arm strength. I think he'll definitely get a chance to be a NFL starting qb because his best years are probably in front of him. K-State was just not very good and the talent around him there was minimal. I think he and Willy are two guys who will get a lot more attention as we move closer to the draft.
mcintyre1
Footballguy
I don't think I agree with this... sure, K-State isn't the most talented team in the Big 12 by far, but they do/did have some talent to work with. Freeman, however, seems to have issues with accuracy, which is probably a result of how often he has to run around in the pocket. QBs never seem to be the same after they've been harassed as much as Freeman has been (ala David Carr, Mark Bulger, etc). I think he's a career backup at best, and likely ends up out of the league in under 3 years.
MAC_32
Footballguy
How does his game at all resemble Big Ben's?Game?... not at all... but at 6'6 and about 250 he is deceptively fast. He can make certain plays and buys some extra time in the pocket. I'm talking about his stature and size with a little mobility. He also has a cannon for an arm. What's not Big Ben about him?... and may I remind you, I said poor-mans. I.E Reggie Williams=Poor Man's Plaxico BurressHow does his game at all resemble Big Ben's?
The earlier posters hit it - ideal size and arm strength, some athleticism (think JaMarcus Russell), but otherwise a serious work in progress. Until we hear from the other underclassmen, he's probably the #1 QB in this draft class... that's how bad the senior class of QBs is this year.
ETA: Unless he absolutely bombs in the interviews, he'll be a 2nd round pick with a shot to climb into the late first, depending on how many of the top underclass QBs declare.
ETA: Unless he absolutely bombs in the interviews, he'll be a 2nd round pick with a shot to climb into the late first, depending on how many of the top underclass QBs declare.
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Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
Jason Campbell was criticized for being robotic and a slave to technique with limited production. He was a coaches son and was always mechanically sound. I fail to see how it sounds like what I'm hearing about this kid.
Buffaloes
Footballguy
Jason Campbell was criticized for being robotic and a slave to technique with limited production. He was a coaches son and was always mechanically sound. I fail to see how it sounds like what I'm hearing about this kid.
For some reason, whenever I watched K State, I thought he reminded me of Campbell. He throws a nice ball and is deceptively mobile. It seemed to me both needed some polish coming out of college.
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
Hey I'll take your word for it I haven't seen the kid play so I can't make a comparison.
Cecil Lammey
Footballguy
I love Josh Freeman, and have had my eyes on him since his freshmen season. But he is a big project.
raw, and undeveloped as a QB the big question is "can he break his bad habits?"
He has good athleticism, and a great arm, but he tends to let his mechanics go by the wayside when pressured. I'd like to see him stand in the pocket a little more and not abandon the play so soon. He forces the ball into coverage regularly, and like most QBs with a big time arm he tends to rely on armstrength (I can fit that pass) instead of completing his reads and checking down.
Another QB (who began his college career at USC) that used to do that was Jason Thomas, UNLV. Thomas barely got a sniff in the NFL, with the Ravens I believe, and it was as a TE. (Thomas put on some weight)
Now I'm not saying that Freeman=Thomas, his ceiling is much, much higher. I love his arm, and he can make plays with his feet. He is also huge and sees the field well, plus he's hard to bring down. When he runs he's got a little wiggle for a big man, he'll run around or through smaller defenders and he will certainly take the run lane if it's there.
Freeman is a good kid, and situation will play the biggest role in how his pro career turns out.
raw, and undeveloped as a QB the big question is "can he break his bad habits?"
He has good athleticism, and a great arm, but he tends to let his mechanics go by the wayside when pressured. I'd like to see him stand in the pocket a little more and not abandon the play so soon. He forces the ball into coverage regularly, and like most QBs with a big time arm he tends to rely on armstrength (I can fit that pass) instead of completing his reads and checking down.
Another QB (who began his college career at USC) that used to do that was Jason Thomas, UNLV. Thomas barely got a sniff in the NFL, with the Ravens I believe, and it was as a TE. (Thomas put on some weight)
Now I'm not saying that Freeman=Thomas, his ceiling is much, much higher. I love his arm, and he can make plays with his feet. He is also huge and sees the field well, plus he's hard to bring down. When he runs he's got a little wiggle for a big man, he'll run around or through smaller defenders and he will certainly take the run lane if it's there.
Freeman is a good kid, and situation will play the biggest role in how his pro career turns out.
FavreCo
Footballguy
He better hope he gets picked in the 1st. Otherwise the odds are you won't ever hear about him again.
Draft Daddy:
DD.comment: There are few quarterbacks in this class that can top Freeman's physical tools -- size, arm and athletic ability. Therefore, in what appears to be a very weak quarterback class, he should be able a rise as the draft approaches. However, if he does drop into the 2nd or 3rd round, as some scouts have suggested, we must note history hasn't been kind at all to junior quarterbacks picked after the first round, as we can't even think of one non-first round junior that has ever made a impact in the N.F.L.Matter of fact, not many declared junior quarterbacks that went in the first round have really made a big impact in the N.F.L. There have been a lot more busts than hits. The best out of the couple dozen that have left early since the early 1980's (counting Supplemental drafts) would be Ben Roethlisberger (who stayed 4 years in college, but redshirted), Drew Bledsoe, Michael Vick, Bernie Kosar and Trent Dilfer. Aaron Rodgers left early in 2005 and he has chance, also, to be very good. Jamarcus Russell of the Raiders made the jump in 2007 and it's fair to say it's too early too judge how he'll turn out.
Draft Daddy:
DD.comment: There are few quarterbacks in this class that can top Freeman's physical tools -- size, arm and athletic ability. Therefore, in what appears to be a very weak quarterback class, he should be able a rise as the draft approaches. However, if he does drop into the 2nd or 3rd round, as some scouts have suggested, we must note history hasn't been kind at all to junior quarterbacks picked after the first round, as we can't even think of one non-first round junior that has ever made a impact in the N.F.L.Matter of fact, not many declared junior quarterbacks that went in the first round have really made a big impact in the N.F.L. There have been a lot more busts than hits. The best out of the couple dozen that have left early since the early 1980's (counting Supplemental drafts) would be Ben Roethlisberger (who stayed 4 years in college, but redshirted), Drew Bledsoe, Michael Vick, Bernie Kosar and Trent Dilfer. Aaron Rodgers left early in 2005 and he has chance, also, to be very good. Jamarcus Russell of the Raiders made the jump in 2007 and it's fair to say it's too early too judge how he'll turn out.
