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Tennis - Sinner accepts three month ban - won't miss Roland Garros (1 Viewer)

Master of Past and Present said:
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Dentist said:
matuski said:
Anyone else notice Nadal's hair thinning big time on top? Every time he looked down before the toss it looked like the world's biggest comb over.
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it's all the roids.

I look forward to the day when he gets the Lance Armstrong treatment and Federer is retroactively awarded an extra WImbledon, AO, and 4 more FO's giving him 23 slams.
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You'd have to give shared titles to all the guys Nadal beat in the forfeited tournaments imo, not just the guy he beat last. Only thing that is fair.
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I don't wish it on Federer because I have nothing against him but the blow up from his fanbase would be epic if we found out the reason Federer was able to have this incredible streak of never missing a major and hardly ever pulling out of tournies was due to HGH/performance enhancing drugs.

Considering recovery is a major reason why some use and he seems to have no problem ever recovering, well, he certainly can't get any more pass than the next guy if playing the what if game of who might be using.
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Well the reason he had no difficulties back in the day recovering is he dictated nearly every point - he hardly ever moved and could put his opponent on the run. The guy hardly ever broke a sweat when he dominated.

All that has happened is he is older now going against a dude who can't quit running and another who can return everything Federer would throw at him as well as serve better - of course he's not as dominant

 
That Melbourne commercial that is on during EVERY SINGLE FREAKIN' break has to be the most annoying tune ever made. And it was equally annoying last year ~ same song.

It's forced me to DVR the first 30-45 minutes of every match just so I can nuke the melody.

Anyone else bothered by it?

 
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Just watched last night's match. Another 5 setter but not the epic the last two years were between Djokovic and Wawrinka. Both guys were having troubles picking up their games and keeping them at a good level.

Wasn't the easiest but in the first major of the year, it seems like the top guys restored some order. Back to one of the standard finals with Murray and Djokovic. Nice to see Murray looking like he may be at least close to all the way back from the 2013 back surgery.

 
At least the match is on earlier than that lovely 2 am one I had fallen asleep in middle of. Planning on sitting up for the women's final tonight (well, 12:30 am Sat...) too if my eyeballs allow me to.

 
Niiiice. They probably knew there was a chance of rain so why not close the roof from the start? And why does the roof take so long to close? It's pretty comical. The roof is still open and the kids are trying to wipe the court dry, only for it to get wet again because the roof is still open.. Aren't there machines to dry the courts?? :loco:

 
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Exciting game! Just when you thought Serena had it, Maria got right back into it. Great volleys Serena had. Played really well despite not feeling well. Imagine if she was 100%... Was hoping it would be a 2 set match especially after that rain delay, my eyeballs are having a tough time staying open this late .......................................................................................................................................

and it was!!!!! 15 aces!!! Yay Serena!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: That tie break at the end was exciting, and long of course... and now......
:sleep:

 
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I think Venus is going to catch Steffi if she stays healthy for a couple years. She's so dominant when she's on -- no one can play with her. Sharapova has lost 16 in a row to her now, hasn't beaten Venus in a decade, and has taken only one set in their last 12 matches.

 
wdcrob said:
I think Venus is going to catch Steffi if she stays healthy for a couple years. She's so dominant when she's on -- no one can play with her. Sharapova has lost 16 in a row to her now, hasn't beaten Venus in a decade, and has taken only one set in their last 12 matches.
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if anything Serena has underachieved partly due to injuries, partly due to some stretches of lack of motivation, and a silent ban from teh USO the year after the "i'll shove this ball down your ####### throat" incident.

She really should have over 20 majors by now.

Sometimes I think when winning is so easy you take it for granted and it keeps the eye off the prize.

Many already consider her the GOAT, but to me until she surpasses Graf she's not, even if the eyeball test tells me she'd probably blow Graf off the court.

 
I love her. She is an inspiration for sure for those who think no way they can make it in what they are passionate about.

wdcrob said:
I think Venus Serena is going to catch Steffi if she stays healthy for a couple years. She's so dominant when she's on -- no one can play with her. Sharapova has lost 16 in a row to her now, hasn't beaten Venus Serena in a decade, and has taken only one set in their last 12 matches.
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;)

I just love her. The bucket challenge last year for awareness of ALS is all but forgotten in the public mind it seems, but she had stated before that for every ace she made in the tourney, she would donate $100 AU to the cause. At her speech last night, she upped it to $200 AU. Class act.

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2015/01/29/sports/tennis/ap-ten-australian-open-scene.html?_r=0

 
CurlyNight said:
I love her. She is an inspiration for sure for those who think no way they can make it in what they are passionate about.

wdcrob said:
I think Venus Serena is going to catch Steffi if she stays healthy for a couple years. She's so dominant when she's on -- no one can play with her. Sharapova has lost 16 in a row to her now, hasn't beaten Venus Serena in a decade, and has taken only one set in their last 12 matches.
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;)

I just love her. The bucket challenge last year for awareness of ALS is all but forgotten in the public mind it seems, but she had stated before that for every ace she made in the tourney, she would donate $100 AU to the cause. At her speech last night, she upped it to $200 AU. Class act.

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2015/01/29/sports/tennis/ap-ten-australian-open-scene.html?_r=0
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The same class act who threatened to shove a ball down a women's ####### throat at the US Open?

Fantastic women's tennis player - check

rich enough that donating $200 per ace is like me donating a penny every other ace of hers - check

But let's make no mistake about it, she's a complete and total ##### in every way.

Most hyper successful people are total basspoles... it's like it takes that type of mentality to get there often times.

 
I doubt Graf or Navratilova would have a problem saying Serena would beat them. She's a good tennis player and in just a completely different class physically. I'm pretty sure Chris Everett has already acknowledged it.

 
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I doubt Graf or Navratilova would have a problem saying Serena would beat them. She's a good tennis player and in just a completely different class physically. I'm pretty sure Chris Everett has already acknowledged it.
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ETA -- or maybe not:

Q. If Serena and Martina played each other at Wimbledon, how would the match go?

Martina: I would love to play against Serena. I wish we could have played. At our best, I think we would pretty much have split the matches. Serena can almost serve you off the court, but once the ball is in play, I think I would be OK. She doesn’t like to play people that are fast, which I was, that give her different spins, which I would have. She wouldn’t have liked to play Steffi Graf because of the low slices and her big serve and somebody fast that can absorb her power and give it back. They would be great matches.
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ETA2 -- Steffi and Serena actually split two non-major matches in 1999, when Graf was 30 and Serena was 17.

ETA3 -- Martina and Steffi also split 18 matches right down the middle, 9-9.

It's close, but I'd still go Serena, Steffi, Martina.

 
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wdcrob said:
wdcrob said:
I doubt Graf or Navratilova would have a problem saying Serena would beat them. She's a good tennis player and in just a completely different class physically. I'm pretty sure Chris Everett has already acknowledged it.
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ETA -- or maybe not:

Q. If Serena and Martina played each other at Wimbledon, how would the match go?

Martina: I would love to play against Serena. I wish we could have played. At our best, I think we would pretty much have split the matches. Serena can almost serve you off the court, but once the ball is in play, I think I would be OK. She doesn’t like to play people that are fast, which I was, that give her different spins, which I would have. She wouldn’t have liked to play Steffi Graf because of the low slices and her big serve and somebody fast that can absorb her power and give it back. They would be great matches.
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ETA2 -- Steffi and Serena actually split two non-major matches in 1999, when Graf was 30 and Serena was 17.

ETA3 -- Martina and Steffi also split 18 matches right down the middle, 9-9.

It's close, but I'd still go Serena, Steffi, Martina.
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Martina is the only women I'd give a chance against Serena. She had power, speed, and was so accurate. Steffi would be able to take matches from Serena though. I'd say Martina=Serena but both better than Steffi.

That would have been awesome to watch.

Holy crap, Martina is 12 years older than Steffi. I thought they were only 5 years or so apart.

 
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I fell asleep once they stopped play for the rain drizzle. So stupid not to close the roof from the get-go.

Serena owned Maria in the first set, broke her to open the match. Maria fought back in the second to make that set close.

I read somewhere that Serena has a pretty incredible record against Maria too, similar to Nadal and Berdych.

In the men's semi-final, Murray was absolutely on his game. Loved the tension and glares that Berdych was giving AM. I am not a fan of the Brit and love rooting against his fug-face.

The Joker-Stan match despite going 5 sets was pretty uneventful. Joker looked really bad, and his body language was horrible. Stan really should have snuck in a win there; his backhand is such a laser.

If AM and Joker both play like they did in the semi's, AM takes it easily. Both are fighters, so I expect a good match.

 
Looks to be pretty even match between D and M. Should be a good one! Now to keep them eyeballs open... :coffee: Andy Murray's gf is very hot I must say..

 
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Money buys pretty hot chicks these days. See roddick, Andy and byrdych, Tom for further proof.

Djoker looking beastly so far. I expect him to win, I didn't think Murray was ready to win a major yet from the surgery, but his draw really came together well once Roger donked out.

 
You know what I retract my statement about Andy, after watching what he did to get that break, he's back to looking like the guy who won a few majors. Impressive

 
As much as I despise the surly Brit, he does fight and claw back.

And I would do very, very dirty things to that foul-mouthed Kim Sears. Smokin' hot.

 
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Yeah, hard to tell who's going to win it now. Djoko had to fight to get the first set, very close there. And if I were a les or bi, Kim Spears would be on my hope to do list. Not sure I can sit up till the end. This seems to be a loooooooooooong fought match in the making and my eyeballs are not cooperating with my mind. :(

 
Man it's brutal to lose a set in a tie break. Especially when I thought Murray played a better breaker but the miss and double fault killed.

I'd say the next set is must win for him.

Man those dudes are in great shape

 
Match has more breaks than a wta match, I guess that's the effect of two just good not great servers, excellent return games, etc

Makes the matches take forever though.

 
Yeah... which is why I can't sit up for this one to end. I think Djoko will win it now. What's up with the fans tonite? Between being told to #### and now some loon trying to jump on court.. I wonder who the ejectees were rooting for?

 
Can anyone hold serve? The problem with Andy vs joker and joker vs Nadal is that they are so good there are many endless rallies with great shot making. Unfortunately it's just too much, the game flows better with some quick points and a few tremendous rallies.

Drink from the fountain of youth Roger!

 
AM with two absolutely crucial forehand volley floaters long. Would be up two having won the tiebreaker and breaking Joker at 5-4 in the second set.

 
It's going to be 2.5 hours for two sets. Reminds me of that 6 hours Ralph vs djoker match. Too much of a good thing is bad unless it's money or #######

 
Every game with multiple deuces. Even if joker straight sets this guy both of the first two sets were as tight as it gets.

 
Master of Past and Present said:
Djokovic has Australian Open and first three Master 1000 events under his belt. Could be setting up another really special year.
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Could be his fifth straight ITF World Champion title, which would tie Sampras for the most consecutive. Overall ITF World Champion titles:

Sampras - 6

Federer - 5

Djokovic - 4

Lendl - 4

Borg - 3

McEnroe - 3

Nadal - 2

Hewitt - 2

Connors*, Wilander, Becker, Edberg, Courier, Agassi, Kuerten, Roddick - 1

*The ITF World Champion designation started in 1978. Conners spent 251 weeks ranked number one from late July 1974 to early July 1979; he probably would have had four more titles 1974-77 to go with the title he won in 1982.

 
Curious about why they voted 2013 the way they did.

Nadal 10 titles total, 2 majors, 5 Master 1000, 2 500, 1 250.

Djokovic 7 titles, 1 major, World Tour Finals, 3 Master 1000, 2 500.

Don't get it, second major is better than Novak's World Tour Final and then has 2 more Master 1000s.

 
Master of Past and Present said:
Curious about why they voted 2013 the way they did.

Nadal 10 titles total, 2 majors, 5 Master 1000, 2 500, 1 250.

Djokovic 7 titles, 1 major, World Tour Finals, 3 Master 1000, 2 500.

Don't get it, second major is better than Novak's World Tour Final and then has 2 more Master 1000s.
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Davis Cup? Not sure, just know it's part of the equation.

Spain - lost first round

Serbia - runner up

 
Also, Grand Slams they didn't win in 2013:

Nadal - missed Australian, 1st Round loss at Wimbledon

Djokovic - SF Roland Garros, F Wimbledon, F US Open

For year, Nadal was 75-7, Joker was 74-9

 
Yeah, could be a simple case of they took Novak's more consistent year over Nadal's better compact year. Year end rankings were Nadal #1 but only by about 800 points with 13030 to 12260.

When you look at it closely it certainly isn't some absurd decision but I think even Djokovic would rather have done what Nadal did that year.

 
Master of Past and Present said:
Yeah, could be a simple case of they took Novak's more consistent year over Nadal's better compact year. Year end rankings were Nadal #1 but only by about 800 points with 13030 to 12260.

When you look at it closely it certainly isn't some absurd decision but I think even Djokovic would rather have done what Nadal did that year.
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Or recency effect. After Nadal beat him in four sets at Flushing, Djokovic won straight sets finals in Shanghai & the ATP World Final. They were 3-3 H2H that year.

But I mostly posted the ITF WC history to point out that how great Novak is an all-time basis. He's way behind both his contemporaries in Match Wins (634 to 724 to 1013) and Titles (51 to 65 to 84), but within a couple years he could be 8th and 5th in those categories. He's T8th in GS titles, needs two more to tie Tilden.

He'll never surpass Fed or Nadal but he's had a tremendous run since 2010.

 
Please defeat the Nadal at RG this year Novak... you will earn my ultimate respect when you can bury Ralph for good.

 
BobbyLayne said:
Master of Past and Present said:
Yeah, could be a simple case of they took Novak's more consistent year over Nadal's better compact year. Year end rankings were Nadal #1 but only by about 800 points with 13030 to 12260.

When you look at it closely it certainly isn't some absurd decision but I think even Djokovic would rather have done what Nadal did that year.
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Or recency effect. After Nadal beat him in four sets at Flushing, Djokovic won straight sets finals in Shanghai & the ATP World Final. They were 3-3 H2H that year.

But I mostly posted the ITF WC history to point out that how great Novak is an all-time basis. He's way behind both his contemporaries in Match Wins (634 to 724 to 1013) and Titles (51 to 65 to 84), but within a couple years he could be 8th and 5th in those categories. He's T8th in GS titles, needs two more to tie Tilden.

He'll never surpass Fed or Nadal but he's had a tremendous run since 2010.
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In raw numbers he probably won't but I think that is a current flaw in a lot of tennis circles because they just look at raw numbers. Comparing players seems like a resume comparison but resumes aren't created in equal circumstances.

I'm not saying he started the fad or was the first athlete to go through it but the first I heard about Gluten issues was through his story. Now it's a common known issue that people look for. And since he fixed that he's been the best player in the game, it's a bummer he didn't know it sooner because who knows how many numbers it cost him.

Turns 28 in May but that still easily means he could be the best player over a six year span before turning 30. If he can stay #1 until he turns 30 he'd be near 250 weeks at #1. Add at least 3 majors to get to double digits (not counting his Aussie before this span of time). If he can win Cincinnati Masters I believe he would be the only one to win all 9. Biggest threat to beat Nadal at the French.

He's got a bunch of legacy builders he can accomplish over the next couple years. If he grabs all of them then I think it would be a shame if people just said, 'Well Federer/Nadal has X amount of majors more than him so they are better.'

And that's not even looking at the still very small shot of completing the true Grand Slam. Beating Nadal at the French, winning another Wimbledon and US Open this year would be an insane legacy builder that even Laver couldn't say he did on 3 surfaces.

Barring injury I think he'll get to the 6 year run. Nadal isn't healthy consistently and even when healthy gets upset in an early round here or there Novak doesn't. Murray isn't good on clay which is a hard hole for him to overcome and be the better player for the whole year. Obviously no young buck has shown enough consistency to challenge either but maybe we'll be surprised for 2016, don't see it this year with the advantage he has already.

Thanks for posting the ITF stats, don't think Djokovic gets enough love for what he's doing and a lot of that is the stats that he haven't built as high as the others like match wins. Personally I think open minded people who don't just look at numbers will give him a chance to be seen as a better player to pass those guys. Probably won't get there resume wise but in a who would you take draft I think he can put himself in a position to be taken before them or at least it's a discussion.

 
Djokovic takes Rome for his 4th Masters 1000 (skipped Madrid).

Nadal had his worst clay season leading up to the French.

Murray had never won a clay tournament and then wins a 500 and a 1000 with the 1000 over Nadal in the final.

Mixed results for Federer, Final at Rome but 1-2 at the other two 1000s, won a 250 event.

Couple small tournies this week still but after all the big tournies are finished, think the French Is Djokovic's to lose. Normally be right on the train that says 3 out of 5 is different animal to beat Nadal in but he never really gave the sense in those loses anything would be different in best of 5. Not like guys were getting lucky to take two sets and a third would be a pipe dream, it just didn't look good while being out played.

Despite recent success, don't think Murray is much of a threat to win, that's where it's a big difference for winning a best of 3 and best of 5 tournament will show up. Hard to see Federer at his age grind out 7 best of 5 on clay.

So it seems like Djokovic is the favorite, maybe if Nadal can turn it on he could join him again but I don't think he's played well enough this clay season to be the favorite or co-favorite.

Also Nadal isn't top 4, could make for an interesting quarter.

 
Djokavic really should finally capture the French open this year and complete his career slam.

I think Murray is the next contender.

I don't want to count out the 5 time defending champion, but unless he was deliberately tanking to save energy for the FO, it is very difficult for me to imagine Ralph making the final unless his draw were to really open up, and if Djokavic is the one on the other side of the net, Novak won't be denied this time.

I've watched Nadal get pwned by so many top 10 players and I just feel burnt Federer hasn't gotten a crack in. Not sure if RG is the spot for Roger to get a good win over Ralph, but I'd definitely like to see them play in a quarter at Wimbledon.

 
One last Federer/Nadal final in any of the majors is all I ask...after that, Fed can retire and take with him the most beautiful and complete tennis game ever

 
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