Baloney Sandwich
Footballguy
Typically the biggest difference between the top players is between the ears. Novak did well to survive that match.
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fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Thoughts on the Wawrinka - Gasquet line?
Wawrinka currently a 2-1 favorite. Guy has been playing great in Grand Slams and I think I like his chances. Feel like -210 is a good price here.
Wawrinka currently a 2-1 favorite. Guy has been playing great in Grand Slams and I think I like his chances. Feel like -210 is a good price here.
Master of Past and Present
Footballguy
Besides the slip up in last years French Open, Wawrinka has been a super tough out for the last 7 majors. Djokovic twice in 5, Federer in 4, Kei in 5, and his two wins outside that French first round outer (to a clay courter though).
Only third time Gasquet has even reached this stage in a major, granted once was here but that was in 2007.
Stan should win decently easy, 4 tops.
Only third time Gasquet has even reached this stage in a major, granted once was here but that was in 2007.
Stan should win decently easy, 4 tops.
Dentist
***Official FBG Dentist***
Federer predictably pwned Simon, still hasn't lost serve in the tournament.
That semi with Murray should be a blockbuster., both seem to be in form and playing very well.
Djoker vs. Wawrinka could make for another truly blockbuster semi, but I wouldn't underestimate Cilic vs. Djoker when Nole had to play a 5 set tournament and one of those long sets was yesterday.. that's a recipe for a tough match.
That semi with Murray should be a blockbuster., both seem to be in form and playing very well.
Djoker vs. Wawrinka could make for another truly blockbuster semi, but I wouldn't underestimate Cilic vs. Djoker when Nole had to play a 5 set tournament and one of those long sets was yesterday.. that's a recipe for a tough match.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Master of Past and Present
Footballguy
<----Djokovic
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Gasquet, 1-16 all time against top 10, Wawrinka playing great tennis the last year in Grand Slams. Stan -200, Where the #### did I go wrong here?
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Wawrinka an unforced error machine.
Master of Past and Present
Footballguy
Well, as they say, that's why you play the game. Still don't get how Stan playing that well recently turned in a match where he is giving so many points away.
Captain Quinoa
Footballguy
John Bender
Footballguy
I hate Serena Williams
classic
Master of Past and Present
Footballguy
You could say Wawrinka traditionally has been average at all the majors prior if you wipe out the last 8 majors. Guy had 3 QF showings in 33 majors to start his career. In contrast, Gasquet in his first 33 had 1 SF. Other than that those guys were 4R or worse.
Difference is since then Stan has won 2, beat the top guys, and even when he loses has been a tough out. If you look at overall career I can see how it can be a toss up or surprise but it seems a little odd to hold Stan to his whole career when it's obvious he took quite a step up the last two years.
Between his 2007 and now 2015 SF showings, Gasquet's best wins at Wimbledon are probably Simon and Almagro which are two guys that aren't really big wins on grass so what exactly had Gasquet shown from 2008 to 2014 he could make a run and take out a hot Stan?
Difference is since then Stan has won 2, beat the top guys, and even when he loses has been a tough out. If you look at overall career I can see how it can be a toss up or surprise but it seems a little odd to hold Stan to his whole career when it's obvious he took quite a step up the last two years.
Between his 2007 and now 2015 SF showings, Gasquet's best wins at Wimbledon are probably Simon and Almagro which are two guys that aren't really big wins on grass so what exactly had Gasquet shown from 2008 to 2014 he could make a run and take out a hot Stan?
Dentist
***Official FBG Dentist***
licking my chops for this blockbuster Federer v murray match.. I hope the good Roger shows up.. the guy who's been pwning in this tournament... but man sometimes he can show up these days and be a totally different guy. I mean he was looking good at the French too.. then Stan came out and gave him a beat down.
Don't think it's the right question.
Hadn't Gasquet shown enough, both in his own Wimbledon history, and in his recent play, to suggest he'd have a good shot to beat Wawrinka at least 1 out of 3? Conversely, what had Wawrinka shown in conquering his parade of clay courters en route to the semis -- or in his own Wimbledon history -- to suggest he'd beat Gasquet more than two times out of three?
Wawrinka was, and should have been the favorite.
But at the odds he was getting, I don't see how that could have looked like a profitable bet. Heads up, I'd have taken Stan all day, agreed. But that wasn't the case. A big-hitting, artful player with a Wimbledon semi in his history shouldn't ever be that big a dog at Wimbledon to a guy a year his senior who's most comfortable on clay...at least not if he's playing well, and Gasquet clearly has been the last couple weeks.Bit of Lendl-Leconte 1985.
CurlyNight
Footballguy
Thinking Fed needs to win this in 3 or 4 but the way Murray is playing....should be a good tight match!
Baloney Sandwich
Footballguy
Nice first set for Roger, hopefully Andy goes in the tank as Roger will need all the rest he can get if he gets to the finals.
The General
Footballguy
Only able to watch a few minutes unfortunately. Amazing level of play right now from both players. Fed looks great, unloading shots.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
10th game of the 2nd set was an epic shotfest.
Baloney Sandwich
Footballguy
Boom
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
What kind of line we looking at with Fed/Novak (if that is the final)?
-300ish for Novak?
-300ish for Novak?
That one guy
Footballguy
The Maestro wants a rematch w/ Djoker
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
He has looked awesome this entire tourney.
CurlyNight
Footballguy
Best tennis I've seen in a loooooooooooooong time! Wowza! Fed!
I wouldn't think that stark. It's Federer, it's Wimbledon, and (assuming he gets there) he'll have just beaten both a much better semifinal opponent AND a crowd favorite. I think those things'll drive the odds a bit.
Novak was -170 for the same match in 2014, FWIW.
Dentist
***Official FBG Dentist***
Man, Federer is looking really strong vs. a Murray who is playing really well.
Hopefully he can close it out in 3 here to have max energy for Sunday... Murray isn't going to quit though
That's a tasty final... Roger on grass.. dang.. if he can make a final at just a few weeks shy of 34.. wow.
Hopefully he can close it out in 3 here to have max energy for Sunday... Murray isn't going to quit though
That's a tasty final... Roger on grass.. dang.. if he can make a final at just a few weeks shy of 34.. wow.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
That one guy
Footballguy
Good lord, the slow-mo of that backhand made it even more impressive!
Master of Past and Present
Footballguy
Federer beat himself?I know it's England and all but Federer is the crowd favorite wherever he plays.
I'd argue the point, but suffice it to say that I did say A crowd favorite.
I know it's England and all but Federer is the crowd favorite wherever he plays.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Just looked it up and Fed would be the oldest winner in more than 40 years if he takes this down. Also, I don't care if the game was totally different at the start of the open era, Ken Rosewall was a stud. Won majors at 33,35,36 and 37.
Oldest finals appearance:
Aggasi (35, L)
Federer (33, ?)
Sampras (31, W)
Connors (31, L)
Lendl (30, L)
Oldest finals appearance:
Aggasi (35, L)
Federer (33, ?)
Sampras (31, W)
Connors (31, L)
Lendl (30, L)
Dentist
***Official FBG Dentist***
I still think it's unreal Agassi made that final at 35... wow.. must've been a good draw.. but he even took a set off of the goat when he was in FULL PRIME. . that's incredible
Dentist
***Official FBG Dentist***
Agreed.. Murray was playing so well that without Federer putting on an absolute serving clinic that that match would've had multiple tie-breakers and could've gone 4-5 sets with a different outcome.
I would imagine if he could serve like that or even close to that again that he could win Sunday.. but Nole is a heck of a returner.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
And lost the 3rd set in a TB -- he played absolutely perfectly for three sets and was still down 2-1.
Dentist
***Official FBG Dentist***
just looked up the draw.. he'd played 3 5 set matches along the way... he had to play a very young Byrdych, Dr. Ivo, James Blake when he was in his prime, and then some american i've never heard of in the semis
Captain Quinoa
Footballguy
That one guy
Footballguy
That Blake match was an insane 2 sets down come from behind and included some vintage Agassi trick shots
Dentist
***Official FBG Dentist***
I'm a bit confused. That would be like saying Michael Phelps might be the best swimmer ever, but not because of his gold medals.
Or that Michael Jordan might be the best ever, but not because of his scoring titles, championships, or MVP's
James Daulton
Footballguy
Good for Fed! I'd love to see elegant Roger get one more slam. However, the Joker's probably still pissed about the French so I think he straight sets Fed.
A great accomplishment regardless. And I think once you factor in Fed's longevity and continued relevance, there's no dispute that he's the goat.
A great accomplishment regardless. And I think once you factor in Fed's longevity and continued relevance, there's no dispute that he's the goat.
CurlyNight
Footballguy
That one guy
Footballguy
I suppose Laver's 2 calendar year Grand Slams keep him as the other viable choice, but I think even that argument gets put to bed should Federer win Sunday
Captain Quinoa
Footballguy
Well swimming is timed so you can, you know, compare times to see who is better between eras.
Jordan is a better example. Is he great because of those things, or did his peak just happen to coincide with the decline of the 3 80's dynasties, a top 50 running mate at his peak, and the expansion of the league? Is Lebron a better individual player? Some say yes. But he'll probably never have the rings or the scoring titles. Fed is kinda like Bill Russell. Most rings, but less competition. Bill had to get thru Wilt and that was it. Fed had to face at most 1-2 guys who even had a chance to beat him at a major. Yes in part due to his greatness, but also due to weak fields and the decline of US Men's tennis. No other era was so shallow at the top. Doesn't mean he's NOT the GOAT, but doesn't prove that he is either.
