Terrance West vs Isaiah Crowell (1 Viewer)

[Bob Magaw]

Tate hurt his knee (6-41).

West (16-100 for 6.2 yards per carry, long 29 yards).

Crowell (5-32-2 for 6.4 yards per carry, long 16 yards).

Promising debut for the rookie RBs.

 

[Sabertooth]

Crowell is the only player I have so I'm going to say he's going to be a stud. He's on pace for 32 touchdowns.

 

[Hot Diggity Dog]

Like it, I could see 30 anyway.

 

[SameSongNDance]

West got his most work after the second Crowell TD run. I think it will be a RBBC and both can hold value though, especially if Jordan Cameron is out for any amount of time.

 

[Steelers4Life]

West looked much better than I expected him to. A few moves, pretty decisive, and got at least what was blocked if not more most of the time.

But my god, Crowell looked like a monster when he ran. Bigger, stronger, and really explosive when he made his cuts. As a Steelers fan, as productive as West was with his carries, I actually preferred him running over Crowell.

It's going to be very interesting to see how this plays out if Tate is out for a while. Crowell's talent is going to find it's way onto the field.

 

[lardonastick]

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[rjv]

West 16 carries to Crowell's 5 vs PIT

 

[MAC_32]

Biggest takeaway from week 1?

Confirmation that Pittsburgh's run defense blows.

 

[jurb26]

Biggest takeaway from week 1?

Confirmation that Pittsburgh's run defense blows.

The D as a whole blows IMO. This situation could end up being very solid for both West and Crowell. If Tare us out for a long time I think it's a productive RBBC.

 

[Ojaays]

Biggest takeaway from week 1?

Confirmation that Pittsburgh's run defense blows.

The D as a whole blows IMO. This situation could end up being very solid for both West and Crowell. If Tare us out for a long time I think it's a productive RBBC.

They looked like the Seahawks at home in the first half.

 

[Dismattle]

Lets also remember a few somewhat relevant considerations 1) The goal line stopped two of Crowells runs, meaning its possible he could have ran further than three yds on one of TD runs. 2) There is a few RB's who don't need but ten touch's to light up the Fantasy meter.

The Saints should provide a better testing ground!

 

[shoecrew22]

I feel like we need a new poll....

 

[Rick James]

I stayed away from the Cleveland RB situation because I just didn't like Tate. The OL is good though. This is worth exploring now.

 

[justinl]

I stayed away from the Cleveland RB situation because I just didn't like Tate. The OL is good though. This is worth exploring now.

Shanahan zone blocking scheme, IF Tate were to stay healthy, he should have success running in that offense. Actually, any RB should succeed in that scheme. I was actually surprised at Foster's respectable output in a new offense.

 

[dagwood]

West was drafted in some leagues.

Crowell probably drafted in very few.

Where both are available, West will be very expensive.

Crowell not so much.

Which to bid on really depends on what other RB's you have.

If you have top overall claim, and both available, West is probably the safer play.

If you don't have top overall claim, Crowell is a solid pickup. West will probably be gone.

 

[dagwood]

I am in a couple relatively thin leagues and West is rostered already in both; Crowell in neither.

 

[Dismattle]

I stayed away from the Cleveland RB situation because I just didn't like Tate. The OL is good though. This is worth exploring now.

Welcome to "playing w/ FIRE" There is so many "positive" ways to view what is/has happened. If we just consider the potential of three different RB's, it totally kills value ex. Tate is who they wanted n got! They can either push Tate hard, knowing what they have to "fill-in" if needed. Or They can rest Tate if needed for a few games..

I really would enjoy hearing what your thoughts are after you come to a conclusion! I almost started one or two guys for a what the hell type choice, but I may just start Crowell next week! Ten touchs for Crowell sounds better than a few other options ex. guys who don't do GL touch's. (I know I know bad choice tough matchup)

 

[Sabertooth]

Tate hurt his knee (6-41).

West (16-100 for 6.2 yards per carry, long 29 yards).

Crowell (5-32-2 for 6.4 yards per carry, long 16 yards).

Promising debut for the rookie RBs.

True He might have had a longer run than 16 though if he hadn't bumped into the endzone. Twice.

 

[lod01]

West looked much better than I expected him to. A few moves, pretty decisive, and got at least what was blocked if not more most of the time.

But my god, Crowell looked like a monster when he ran. Bigger, stronger, and really explosive when he made his cuts. As a Steelers fan, as productive as West was with his carries, I actually preferred him running over Crowell.

It's going to be very interesting to see how this plays out if Tate is out for a while. Crowell's talent is going to find it's way onto the field.

They should just tell Tate he is now #3 and go with these 2 guys. If they work out, you cut Tate and bring back Obygnaya or whatever his name was.

 

[lod01]

Tate hurt his knee (6-41).

West (16-100 for 6.2 yards per carry, long 29 yards).

Crowell (5-32-2 for 6.4 yards per carry, long 16 yards).

Promising debut for the rookie RBs.

True He might have had a longer run than 16 though if he hadn't bumped into the endzone. Twice.

 

[justinl]

West looked much better than I expected him to. A few moves, pretty decisive, and got at least what was blocked if not more most of the time.

But my god, Crowell looked like a monster when he ran. Bigger, stronger, and really explosive when he made his cuts. As a Steelers fan, as productive as West was with his carries, I actually preferred him running over Crowell.

It's going to be very interesting to see how this plays out if Tate is out for a while. Crowell's talent is going to find it's way onto the field.

They should just tell Tate he is now #3 and go with these 2 guys. If they work out, you cut Tate and bring back Obygnaya or whatever his name was.

That Tate contract is generous for the potential he brings. Didn't see the game, but it looked like he was doing just fine till he got injured.

 

[Xue]

This thread is classic. What were the West supporters watching?

I'm not sold Crowell has more talent. The NFL has proven that it doesn't really care about off field issues if a guy has talent. Ray Lewis, Dante Stallworth, and Mike Vick all KILLED people, and dogs, and still got to play football for lots of money.

If Crowell had that much talent in the eyes of NFL scouts, he'd have been drafted.

Crowell has talent for sure.The talk of him being the best RB in this draft based on tape is ridiculous IMO. He's got solid game footage but not spectacular. Many are acting like this is a guy who has 1st round ability but feel only because of off field issues. Well, explain J. Hill then? He had several off field issues, similar to Crowell. He is supposed to be a worse RB prospect and yet he still got drafted in the 2nd, as the 2nd RB overall. The truth of the matter is Crowell is a boob with an over inflated perception of his ability among FFers. I'm probably one of them as well seeing I did expect him to get drafted and him falling out altogether is a surprise to me. Maybe he's good enough to beat out West for the backup position to Tate. I don't see some star in the making here though. The NFL is pretty good at this and when they allow a guy to go completely undrafted, it's not just a character problem.

Or they just don't/can't admit they may have been wrong.A guy many thought was the best running talent in this class went undrafted. Maybe he pans out, maybe he doesn't. It's pretty clear that was a bad call either way.

LOL. Ready to admit you were wrong? No need, you were wrong once that post was made.It's always been pretty clear that Crowell was more talented than West. Anyone who saw otherwise was just lying to themselves.

I'm with those that think if he was truly as talented as Waldman and others believe, he would have been drafted.

Can't believe this is really even much of a debate as I think it's West by a mile.

That along with the fact that he very coaching staff that supposedly doesn't value RBs traded up to get West in the 3rd round.There is no sugar coating this. Crowell simply isn't as good as all the internet experts thought he was.

No sugar coating is right. You guys needed to get your eyes checked.jurb26 and Bronco Billy, eat your Crow-ell yet?

 

[SproutDaddy]

Both guys are producing. It's pretty clear West is still ahead in the pecking order. No reason to change things. I haven't watched any Browns games, but I'd like to know when and where Crowell's carries are coming. Redzone? Inside the 10? 3rd and long? Every few series?

I don't really see where crow needs to be eaten. Crowell is still 3rd string, and the sample size doesn't ultimately who is the "most talented."

 

[Penguin]

I thought I read that Crowell passed West on the depth chart today

ETA: I stand corrected, Crowell ran with the first team today, West with the 2nd.

Crowell took the first reps in individual drills during the portion of Wednesday’s practice open to the media. West went second. Tate rode a stationary bike instead of practicing.

 

[Penguin]

Isaiah Crowell worked ahead of Terrance West at Browns practice Wednesday.
Crowell pretty severely outplayed West in Cleveland's first three games. With Ben Tate (knee) on the exercise bike during the Browns' bye-week practice, Crowell was the first tailback through the rotation, with West working in second.

It certainly sounds like Crowell is passing West on the depth chart. "If a guy’s been productive, you find ways to get him on the field more," coach Mike Pettine said. "That’s a good problem to have. When you have a back, who before the season you weren’t factoring in on being a big part of what you’re doing, and he’s being productive, you find ways to get him out there."

http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/nfl/296160/Isaiah-Crowell-works-ahead-of-Terrance-West?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

 

[Xue]

Both guys are producing. It's pretty clear West is still ahead in the pecking order. No reason to change things. I haven't watched any Browns games, but I'd like to know when and where Crowell's carries are coming. Redzone? Inside the 10? 3rd and long? Every few series?

I don't really see where crow needs to be eaten. Crowell is still 3rd string, and the sample size doesn't ultimately who is the "most talented."

The sample size tells us the Undrafted RB that was supposedly less talented and supposedly fighting for a roster spot in preseason is able to force a timeshare with one that was supposedly more talented (because he was a 3rd rounder).If you want to know which is more talented, you'd have to watch the "tape". Then again, some people watched it and still didn't see it.

It's pretty clear that Crowell can't be kept off the field because he is more talented despite his draft status and limited work in camp and preseason.

Crowell and West are rotating reps in practice now. That doesn't say "Crowell is 3rd string". That says they're 2A and 2B.

 

[Cheesedawg]

As a Crowell owner, I am not assuming that he has earned even a split of the touches there. I drafted him and think he's got a chance to be bigtime but I don't give much credence to who "ran first in individual drills during the media portion of practice".

 

[JamesTheScot]

I thought I read that Crowell passed West on the depth chart today

ETA: I stand corrected, Crowell ran with the first team today, West with the 2nd.

Crowell took the first reps in individual drills during the portion of Wednesday’s practice open to the media. West went second. Tate rode a stationary bike instead of practicing.

A blurb I read on Tate yesterday mentioned how Crowell might be a threat to Tate's share of touches when he returns. No mention of West in there at all. And this after a game where West out-carried Crowell by only one carry and did less with his carries than Crowell did.

I think this could be headed to Crowell as the early down pounder role and Tate as the passing down back with West being the versatile back-up to both roles.

It's interesting to me that people seem to think the coaching staff will give West the same deference that they would give an established veteran like Tate. It's almost as if they think training camp established West somehow and it's going to take a full season of real football for them to change their opinion. That's just crazy. West is every bit the rookie that Crowell is. You better believe that production on the field will absolutely affect the relative ranking between two rookie backs much sooner than it would a rookie versus veteran situation.

I don't fault anyone who backed West based on the off-season news that was coming out. But to adhere to that position 3.5 weeks into the season, which is almost as long a time as training camp was, is reckless. At this point the staff really don't care what happened back in training camp. They aren't going to be loyal to a rookie because he had good camp practices. They're going to reward the rookie that shows up under the big lights.

 

[SproutDaddy]

Both guys are producing. It's pretty clear West is still ahead in the pecking order. No reason to change things. I haven't watched any Browns games, but I'd like to know when and where Crowell's carries are coming. Redzone? Inside the 10? 3rd and long? Every few series?

I don't really see where crow needs to be eaten. Crowell is still 3rd string, and the sample size doesn't ultimately who is the "most talented."

The sample size tells us the Undrafted RB that was supposedly less talented and supposedly fighting for a roster spot in preseason is able to force a timeshare with one that was supposedly more talented (because he was a 3rd rounder).If you want to know which is more talented, you'd have to watch the "tape". Then again, some people watched it and still didn't see it.

It's pretty clear that Crowell can't be kept off the field because he is more talented despite his draft status and limited work in camp and preseason.

Crowell and West are rotating reps in practice now. That doesn't say "Crowell is 3rd string". That says they're 2A and 2B.

Practice is practice. The game logs show that he is 3rd string. That doesn't necessarily mean he is less talented. Tate is still the starter.

 

[cvnpoka]

Both guys are producing. It's pretty clear West is still ahead in the pecking order. No reason to change things. I haven't watched any Browns games, but I'd like to know when and where Crowell's carries are coming. Redzone? Inside the 10? 3rd and long? Every few series?

I don't really see where crow needs to be eaten. Crowell is still 3rd string, and the sample size doesn't ultimately who is the "most talented."

he has alternated series with west. west was getting more series than crowell at first, but as of late it has been an even split. sometimes west comes in on passing downs.

 

[C & C]

Petine was on NFL radio this morning and asked if Crowell has passed West on the depth chart. His answer was no, Crowell was out there and got some reps and the media ran with it.

He went on to praise Crowell, mentioning how he thought it would be a redshirt year for Crowell, but since the last pre-season game a spark seems to be lit and Crowell now feels like he belongs. He praised his work ethic since that game (implied it wasn't that great before).

Lastly, he said Tate is the starter when he comes back. But if one guys has the hot hand on a particular day he'll ride him.

 

[Gvindy]

Petine was on NFL radio this morning and asked if Crowell has passed West on the depth chart. His answer was no, Crowell was out there and got some reps and the media ran with with.

He went on to praise Crowell, mentioning how he thought it would be a redshirt year for Crowell, but since the last pre-season game a spark seems to be lit and Crowell now feels like he belongs. He praised his work ethic since that game (implied it wasn't that great before).

Lastly, he said Tate is the starter when he comes back. But if one guys has the hot hand on a particular day he'll ride him.

Yep sounds like a full blown committee to start. It's an easy way of saying cream will rise eventually. I'm putting my money on Crowell, especially since I don't have Tate, haha.

 

[Xue]

This thread is classic. What were the West supporters watching?

I'm not sold Crowell has more talent. The NFL has proven that it doesn't really care about off field issues if a guy has talent. Ray Lewis, Dante Stallworth, and Mike Vick all KILLED people, and dogs, and still got to play football for lots of money.

If Crowell had that much talent in the eyes of NFL scouts, he'd have been drafted.

Crowell has talent for sure.The talk of him being the best RB in this draft based on tape is ridiculous IMO. He's got solid game footage but not spectacular. Many are acting like this is a guy who has 1st round ability but feel only because of off field issues. Well, explain J. Hill then? He had several off field issues, similar to Crowell. He is supposed to be a worse RB prospect and yet he still got drafted in the 2nd, as the 2nd RB overall. The truth of the matter is Crowell is a boob with an over inflated perception of his ability among FFers. I'm probably one of them as well seeing I did expect him to get drafted and him falling out altogether is a surprise to me. Maybe he's good enough to beat out West for the backup position to Tate. I don't see some star in the making here though. The NFL is pretty good at this and when they allow a guy to go completely undrafted, it's not just a character problem.

Or they just don't/can't admit they may have been wrong.A guy many thought was the best running talent in this class went undrafted. Maybe he pans out, maybe he doesn't. It's pretty clear that was a bad call either way.

LOL. Ready to admit you were wrong? No need, you were wrong once that post was made.It's always been pretty clear that Crowell was more talented than West. Anyone who saw otherwise was just lying to themselves.

I'm with those that think if he was truly as talented as Waldman and others believe, he would have been drafted.

Can't believe this is really even much of a debate as I think it's West by a mile.

That along with the fact that he very coaching staff that supposedly doesn't value RBs traded up to get West in the 3rd round.There is no sugar coating this. Crowell simply isn't as good as all the internet experts thought he was.

No sugar coating is right. You guys needed to get your eyes checked.jurb26 and Bronco Billy, eat your Crow-ell yet?

jurb26 and Bronco Billy, where you guys at? West was a healthy scratch. Clearly more talented.

 

[Bronco Billy]

This thread is classic. What were the West supporters watching?

I'm not sold Crowell has more talent. The NFL has proven that it doesn't really care about off field issues if a guy has talent. Ray Lewis, Dante Stallworth, and Mike Vick all KILLED people, and dogs, and still got to play football for lots of money.

If Crowell had that much talent in the eyes of NFL scouts, he'd have been drafted.

Crowell has talent for sure.The talk of him being the best RB in this draft based on tape is ridiculous IMO. He's got solid game footage but not spectacular. Many are acting like this is a guy who has 1st round ability but feel only because of off field issues. Well, explain J. Hill then? He had several off field issues, similar to Crowell. He is supposed to be a worse RB prospect and yet he still got drafted in the 2nd, as the 2nd RB overall. The truth of the matter is Crowell is a boob with an over inflated perception of his ability among FFers. I'm probably one of them as well seeing I did expect him to get drafted and him falling out altogether is a surprise to me. Maybe he's good enough to beat out West for the backup position to Tate. I don't see some star in the making here though. The NFL is pretty good at this and when they allow a guy to go completely undrafted, it's not just a character problem.

Or they just don't/can't admit they may have been wrong.A guy many thought was the best running talent in this class went undrafted. Maybe he pans out, maybe he doesn't. It's pretty clear that was a bad call either way.

LOL. Ready to admit you were wrong? No need, you were wrong once that post was made.It's always been pretty clear that Crowell was more talented than West. Anyone who saw otherwise was just lying to themselves.

I'm with those that think if he was truly as talented as Waldman and others believe, he would have been drafted.

Can't believe this is really even much of a debate as I think it's West by a mile.

That along with the fact that he very coaching staff that supposedly doesn't value RBs traded up to get West in the 3rd round.There is no sugar coating this. Crowell simply isn't as good as all the internet experts thought he was.

No sugar coating is right. You guys needed to get your eyes checked.jurb26 and Bronco Billy, eat your Crow-ell yet?

jurb26 and Bronco Billy, where you guys at? West was a healthy scratch. Clearly more talented.

You can tell how often a guy is right when you see how he reacts when he ends up on that side. Pretty obvious it's not something you experience often.

 

[SproutDaddy]

It's funny creating some big deal when nothing has changed.

 

[thehornet]

It's funny creating some big deal when nothing has changed.

seems like a lot has changed. Crowell and West flipped spots on the depth chart, no?

 

[SproutDaddy]

It's funny creating some big deal when nothing has changed.

seems like a lot has changed. Crowell and West flipped spots on the depth chart, no?

speculate how you want. Tate is the man. These two are in a timeshare if he goes down........as it's always been. Lots of people acting like Crowell has walked away with it. Both guys have talent.

 

[thehornet]

It's funny creating some big deal when nothing has changed.

seems like a lot has changed. Crowell and West flipped spots on the depth chart, no?

speculate how you want. Tate is the man. These two are in a timeshare if he goes down........as it's always been. Lots of people acting like Crowell has walked away with it. Both guys have talent.

tate is the starter. I'm not disputing that. If tate went down, it's very likely 65/35 crowell/west.

 

[SproutDaddy]

It's funny creating some big deal when nothing has changed.

seems like a lot has changed. Crowell and West flipped spots on the depth chart, no?

speculate how you want. Tate is the man. These two are in a timeshare if he goes down........as it's always been. Lots of people acting like Crowell has walked away with it. Both guys have talent.

tate is the starter. I'm not disputing that. If tate went down, it's very likely 65/35 crowell/west.

based on? if you own west, it probably was frustrating seeing him a healthy scratch this past week, but it isn't anything we haven't seen from some of the other board favorites around here (michael and mason). reports on why aren't discouraging. you're just tossing numbers out there that have yet to be seen. if it happens, then i can admit i'm wrong, but there hasn't been anything that happened to show it would be the split you suggest. I'm sure his fumbling issue has to be a concern to the coaching staff, and it's not as if west hasn't produced when given the chance.

 

[Xue]

This thread is classic. What were the West supporters watching?

I'm not sold Crowell has more talent. The NFL has proven that it doesn't really care about off field issues if a guy has talent. Ray Lewis, Dante Stallworth, and Mike Vick all KILLED people, and dogs, and still got to play football for lots of money.

If Crowell had that much talent in the eyes of NFL scouts, he'd have been drafted.

Crowell has talent for sure.The talk of him being the best RB in this draft based on tape is ridiculous IMO. He's got solid game footage but not spectacular. Many are acting like this is a guy who has 1st round ability but feel only because of off field issues. Well, explain J. Hill then? He had several off field issues, similar to Crowell. He is supposed to be a worse RB prospect and yet he still got drafted in the 2nd, as the 2nd RB overall. The truth of the matter is Crowell is a boob with an over inflated perception of his ability among FFers. I'm probably one of them as well seeing I did expect him to get drafted and him falling out altogether is a surprise to me. Maybe he's good enough to beat out West for the backup position to Tate. I don't see some star in the making here though. The NFL is pretty good at this and when they allow a guy to go completely undrafted, it's not just a character problem.

Or they just don't/can't admit they may have been wrong.A guy many thought was the best running talent in this class went undrafted. Maybe he pans out, maybe he doesn't. It's pretty clear that was a bad call either way.

LOL. Ready to admit you were wrong? No need, you were wrong once that post was made.It's always been pretty clear that Crowell was more talented than West. Anyone who saw otherwise was just lying to themselves.

I'm with those that think if he was truly as talented as Waldman and others believe, he would have been drafted.

Can't believe this is really even much of a debate as I think it's West by a mile.

That along with the fact that he very coaching staff that supposedly doesn't value RBs traded up to get West in the 3rd round.There is no sugar coating this. Crowell simply isn't as good as all the internet experts thought he was.

No sugar coating is right. You guys needed to get your eyes checked.jurb26 and Bronco Billy, eat your Crow-ell yet?

jurb26 and Bronco Billy, where you guys at? West was a healthy scratch. Clearly more talented.

You can tell how often a guy is right when you see how he reacts when he ends up on that side. Pretty obvious it's not something you experience often.

Is this really all you have? You can tell who actually watches the tape and who watches it and lies to themselves.

Sorry, but not sorry. You were dead wrong on Crowell and West, as were others.

 

[Xue]

It's funny creating some big deal when nothing has changed.

Yes nothing has changed. Crowell has always been more talented than West.

 

[Chaka]

It's funny creating some big deal when nothing has changed.

seems like a lot has changed. Crowell and West flipped spots on the depth chart, no?

I would absolutely be on board, and leading the charge, if Crow hadn't put the ball on the turf 3 times in 9 touches. Regardless of his nice performance on the stat sheet that has to be a big concern and might open the door back up for West.

 

[Chaka]

This thread is classic. What were the West supporters watching?

I'm not sold Crowell has more talent. The NFL has proven that it doesn't really care about off field issues if a guy has talent. Ray Lewis, Dante Stallworth, and Mike Vick all KILLED people, and dogs, and still got to play football for lots of money.

If Crowell had that much talent in the eyes of NFL scouts, he'd have been drafted.

Crowell has talent for sure.The talk of him being the best RB in this draft based on tape is ridiculous IMO. He's got solid game footage but not spectacular. Many are acting like this is a guy who has 1st round ability but feel only because of off field issues. Well, explain J. Hill then? He had several off field issues, similar to Crowell. He is supposed to be a worse RB prospect and yet he still got drafted in the 2nd, as the 2nd RB overall. The truth of the matter is Crowell is a boob with an over inflated perception of his ability among FFers. I'm probably one of them as well seeing I did expect him to get drafted and him falling out altogether is a surprise to me. Maybe he's good enough to beat out West for the backup position to Tate. I don't see some star in the making here though. The NFL is pretty good at this and when they allow a guy to go completely undrafted, it's not just a character problem.

Or they just don't/can't admit they may have been wrong.A guy many thought was the best running talent in this class went undrafted. Maybe he pans out, maybe he doesn't. It's pretty clear that was a bad call either way.

LOL. Ready to admit you were wrong? No need, you were wrong once that post was made.It's always been pretty clear that Crowell was more talented than West. Anyone who saw otherwise was just lying to themselves.

I'm with those that think if he was truly as talented as Waldman and others believe, he would have been drafted.

Can't believe this is really even much of a debate as I think it's West by a mile.

That along with the fact that he very coaching staff that supposedly doesn't value RBs traded up to get West in the 3rd round.There is no sugar coating this. Crowell simply isn't as good as all the internet experts thought he was.

No sugar coating is right. You guys needed to get your eyes checked.jurb26 and Bronco Billy, eat your Crow-ell yet?

jurb26 and Bronco Billy, where you guys at? West was a healthy scratch. Clearly more talented.

You can tell how often a guy is right when you see how he reacts when he ends up on that side. Pretty obvious it's not something you experience often.

Is this really all you have? You can tell who actually watches the tape and who watches it and lies to themselves.

Sorry, but not sorry. You were dead wrong on Crowell and West, as were others.

Did you watch the tape of Crowell putting the ball on the turf 3 times in 9 touches? That was kind of difficult to miss.

I won't deny that the guy has talent but, even if they credit Hoyer with one of the fumbles and they only lost one of the 3, I guarantee you that ratio concerns any coach on any level. It may have opened the door back up for West, so you should see how it plays out this week before acting like you are the #### of the walk. If Crow holds on to the unquestioned #2 RB spot despite that performance then all Crow owners, myself included, should be very happy.

 

[Chaka]

It's funny creating some big deal when nothing has changed.

Yes nothing has changed. Crowell has always been more talented than West.

You do realize that the most talented runner doesn't always win out, don't you? It happens every year where some shiny new RB has some big runs and people are continually baffled as to why professional football coaches don't give them more PT. The RB game is every bit as much about ball security and pass protection (if not more so) then it is about gaining the most yards per carry.

I'm rooting for Crow but this one is far from decided. And either way there is no question that Tate is the lead back and will dominate touches as long as he is healthy. That should be the clearest takeaway from the last two weeks in Cleveland.

 

[SproutDaddy]

It's funny creating some big deal when nothing has changed.

Yes nothing has changed. Crowell has always been more talented than West.

Nothing has changed in that is your opinion........nothing more.

 

[Bronco Billy]

This thread is classic. What were the West supporters watching?

I'm not sold Crowell has more talent. The NFL has proven that it doesn't really care about off field issues if a guy has talent. Ray Lewis, Dante Stallworth, and Mike Vick all KILLED people, and dogs, and still got to play football for lots of money.

If Crowell had that much talent in the eyes of NFL scouts, he'd have been drafted.

Crowell has talent for sure.The talk of him being the best RB in this draft based on tape is ridiculous IMO. He's got solid game footage but not spectacular. Many are acting like this is a guy who has 1st round ability but feel only because of off field issues. Well, explain J. Hill then? He had several off field issues, similar to Crowell. He is supposed to be a worse RB prospect and yet he still got drafted in the 2nd, as the 2nd RB overall. The truth of the matter is Crowell is a boob with an over inflated perception of his ability among FFers. I'm probably one of them as well seeing I did expect him to get drafted and him falling out altogether is a surprise to me. Maybe he's good enough to beat out West for the backup position to Tate. I don't see some star in the making here though. The NFL is pretty good at this and when they allow a guy to go completely undrafted, it's not just a character problem.

Or they just don't/can't admit they may have been wrong.A guy many thought was the best running talent in this class went undrafted. Maybe he pans out, maybe he doesn't. It's pretty clear that was a bad call either way.

LOL. Ready to admit you were wrong? No need, you were wrong once that post was made.It's always been pretty clear that Crowell was more talented than West. Anyone who saw otherwise was just lying to themselves.

I'm with those that think if he was truly as talented as Waldman and others believe, he would have been drafted.

Can't believe this is really even much of a debate as I think it's West by a mile.

That along with the fact that he very coaching staff that supposedly doesn't value RBs traded up to get West in the 3rd round.There is no sugar coating this. Crowell simply isn't as good as all the internet experts thought he was.

No sugar coating is right. You guys needed to get your eyes checked.jurb26 and Bronco Billy, eat your Crow-ell yet?

jurb26 and Bronco Billy, where you guys at? West was a healthy scratch. Clearly more talented.

You can tell how often a guy is right when you see how he reacts when he ends up on that side. Pretty obvious it's not something you experience often.

Is this really all you have? You can tell who actually watches the tape and who watches it and lies to themselves.

Sorry, but not sorry. You were dead wrong on Crowell and West, as were others.

I've seen you miss so badly so often that while you may watch plenty of tape you aren't educated enough to interpret it well. That also explains your need to personalize things and act like a ##### when you finally get one right.

And before you go off and spike the football again, if you were as brilliant as you seem to think you are, you'd realize this isn't over yet and has some years to play out, and that you might want to wait a while before declaring victory and trying to push people's noses in it. I don't have a dog in this fight, but it might serve you a lesson in adulthood if this situation were to flip again in the future.

With that, I'll step away from this and let you enjoy yourself with your pathetic little victory dance.

 

[Xue]

It's funny creating some big deal when nothing has changed.

Yes nothing has changed. Crowell has always been more talented than West.

You do realize that the most talented runner doesn't always win out, don't you? It happens every year where some shiny new RB has some big runs and people are continually baffled as to why professional football coaches don't give them more PT. The RB game is every bit as much about ball security and pass protection (if not more so) then it is about gaining the most yards per carry.

I'm rooting for Crow but this one is far from decided. And either way there is no question that Tate is the lead back and will dominate touches as long as he is healthy. That should be the clearest takeaway from the last two weeks in Cleveland.

The debate wasn't about who will win out.

 

[Xue]

This thread is classic. What were the West supporters watching?

I'm not sold Crowell has more talent. The NFL has proven that it doesn't really care about off field issues if a guy has talent. Ray Lewis, Dante Stallworth, and Mike Vick all KILLED people, and dogs, and still got to play football for lots of money.

If Crowell had that much talent in the eyes of NFL scouts, he'd have been drafted.

Crowell has talent for sure.The talk of him being the best RB in this draft based on tape is ridiculous IMO. He's got solid game footage but not spectacular. Many are acting like this is a guy who has 1st round ability but feel only because of off field issues. Well, explain J. Hill then? He had several off field issues, similar to Crowell. He is supposed to be a worse RB prospect and yet he still got drafted in the 2nd, as the 2nd RB overall. The truth of the matter is Crowell is a boob with an over inflated perception of his ability among FFers. I'm probably one of them as well seeing I did expect him to get drafted and him falling out altogether is a surprise to me. Maybe he's good enough to beat out West for the backup position to Tate. I don't see some star in the making here though. The NFL is pretty good at this and when they allow a guy to go completely undrafted, it's not just a character problem.

Or they just don't/can't admit they may have been wrong.A guy many thought was the best running talent in this class went undrafted. Maybe he pans out, maybe he doesn't. It's pretty clear that was a bad call either way.

LOL. Ready to admit you were wrong? No need, you were wrong once that post was made.It's always been pretty clear that Crowell was more talented than West. Anyone who saw otherwise was just lying to themselves.

I'm with those that think if he was truly as talented as Waldman and others believe, he would have been drafted.

Can't believe this is really even much of a debate as I think it's West by a mile.

That along with the fact that he very coaching staff that supposedly doesn't value RBs traded up to get West in the 3rd round.There is no sugar coating this. Crowell simply isn't as good as all the internet experts thought he was.

No sugar coating is right. You guys needed to get your eyes checked.jurb26 and Bronco Billy, eat your Crow-ell yet?

jurb26 and Bronco Billy, where you guys at? West was a healthy scratch. Clearly more talented.

You can tell how often a guy is right when you see how he reacts when he ends up on that side. Pretty obvious it's not something you experience often.

Is this really all you have? You can tell who actually watches the tape and who watches it and lies to themselves.

Sorry, but not sorry. You were dead wrong on Crowell and West, as were others.

I've seen you miss so badly so often that while you may watch plenty of tape you aren't educated enough to interpret it well. That also explains your need to personalize things and act like a ##### when you finally get one right.

And before you go off and spike the football again, if you were as brilliant as you seem to think you are, you'd realize this isn't over yet and has some years to play out, and that you might want to wait a while before declaring victory and trying to push people's noses in it. I don't have a dog in this fight, but it might serve you a lesson in adulthood if this situation were to flip again in the future.

With that, I'll step away from this and let you enjoy yourself with your pathetic little victory dance.

Right Sankey hater. Why don't we let that one play out too? Oh doesn't fit your agenda eh?

How would you know I'm not educated enough to interpret tape? Are you stalking me and hacking into my computer like jurb26?

 

[Sabertooth]

Feed the Crow

 

[Chaka]

Feed the Crow

Won't argue with that.