Terrance West vs Isaiah Crowell (1 Viewer)

[Sabertooth]

I own west and crowell in dynasty. I don't like either as more than an rb4 at this point.

 

[MAC_32]

I think Crow may be under valued now, but West is borderline worthless. If you've already got him in a deep dyno then go ahead and keep him stashed, but if you have some tough cuts to make I'd give him the axe. I can't imagine I'd draft him in a start-up.

I think Duke is more talented than Crow and has a better shot of being the passing downs back, but I do not trust him to stay healthy, at all. I imagine the Browns are thinking the same, and they want to be a very run heavy team, so Crow is going to maintain a meaningful enough role and will probably be the primary ball carrier in the red zone.

 

[Sabertooth]

This year is really going to clear up the Brown running back game. I think last season both rookies struggled with rookie issues....fumbling, playbook, off field stuff, mouth. I'm taking a wait and see approach. I own both Crow and West and I have no interest in locking down a third RB spot on this roster. I'm going to try to move west, but I doubt it happens.

 

[cstu]

This year is really going to clear up the Brown running back game. I think last season both rookies struggled with rookie issues....fumbling, playbook, off field stuff, mouth. I'm taking a wait and see approach. I own both Crow and West and I have no interest in locking down a third RB spot on this roster. I'm going to try to move west, but I doubt it happens.

 

[EastonBlues22]

My personal take (i.e. guess) is that Crowell and West will continue to battle for early down/goal-line work, and that Johnson will have the obvious passing down and two-minute work largely to himself.

Could make Duke a low-end RB2/Flex in PPR.

 

[Vision6]

In my opinion Crowell is the superior back and its not close. However I would stay away from this entire situation from a FF standpoint. Duke Johnson is there as well, good luck trying to figure this out week to week.

 

[Rookie_Whisperer]

At this point, Crowell and West should be waiver wire fodder. Neither really did anything to establish themselves as reliable contributors to the Browns or your fantasy team. Why waste the roster spot?

 

[jurb26]

At this point, Crowell and West should be waiver wire fodder. Neither really did anything to establish themselves as reliable contributors to the Browns or your fantasy team. Why waste the roster spot?

The problem with this situation now is that you basically have to hold on all 3 RBs. It's going to be a camp battle and even then someone might not emerge. Personally, I like Duke the most. I think he's the most talented RB. He has had injury problems though and he's not established in the NFL.

I don't think you can cut any of them unfortunately. West is getting no love here but he's just as viable as the next guy right now.

 

[The Man With No Name]

Browns averaged 146.4 yards per game rushing with Alex Mack and 90.5 yards per game rushing without Alex Mack in 2014.

 

[Sabertooth]

Crowell rushed for as many touchdowns as Leveon Bell. :

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Crowell rushed for as many touchdowns as Leveon Bell. :

With fewer arrests!

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Browns averaged 146.4 yards per game rushing with Alex Mack and 90.5 yards per game rushing without Alex Mack in 2014.

Yeah, people are forgetting this. Their running game looked really strong before Mack's injury

 

[Rookie_Whisperer]

Crowell rushed for as many touchdowns as Leveon Bell. :

In PPR it's the the difference between 370 vs 126 on the year. I'll lean towards the every down back who posted 370 with 80+ catches. Crowell never surpassed 100 yds total yds per game on the season while West just looked horrible. I really wanted West to do anything last year and to show something but he was unwatchable. And I don't think it's a stretch that anyone relying on either of them last year lost more games than they won. I'll just pass on the whole situation.

 

[Koya]

Hawk.... screech?

 

[Sabertooth]

Crowell rushed for as many touchdowns as Leveon Bell. :

With fewer arrests!

Hey 0

 

[Sabertooth]

At this point, Crowell and West should be waiver wire fodder. Neither really did anything to establish themselves as reliable contributors to the Browns or your fantasy team. Why waste the roster spot?

My post stating that Crowell rushed for as many TDs as Bell was in response to your ridiculous notion that neither did anything to establish themselves and both should be released. I'm not sure what you are looking for out of an undrafted rookie FA player, but 8 touchdowns isn't nothing.

Then you moved the goalposts. Of course Bell is more valuable. Nobody said he was better than Bell. I said he scored just as many touchdowns as Bell. As mentioned above, once Mack went down with injury the rushing game suffered. Crowell was one of the top TD scorers in the league per attempt. Only Hill, Tallieferro, and Tre Mason had better yards per attempt.

Now you can argue that he doesn't catch passes so his value is capped. No problem. But to just say you should cut him for the next shiny toy is

 

[Rookie_Whisperer]

At this point, Crowell and West should be waiver wire fodder. Neither really did anything to establish themselves as reliable contributors to the Browns or your fantasy team. Why waste the roster spot?

My post stating that Crowell rushed for as many TDs as Bell was in response to your ridiculous notion that neither did anything to establish themselves and both should be released. I'm not sure what you are looking for out of an undrafted rookie FA player, but 8 touchdowns isn't nothing.

Then you moved the goalposts. Of course Bell is more valuable. Nobody said he was better than Bell. I said he scored just as many touchdowns as Bell. As mentioned above, once Mack went down with injury the rushing game suffered. Crowell was one of the top TD scorers in the league per attempt. Only Hill, Tallieferro, and Tre Mason had better yards per attempt.

Now you can argue that he doesn't catch passes so his value is capped. No problem. But to just say you should cut him for the next shiny toy is

Ehh...Crowell might have some value to an NFL team as bad as the Browns, but in terms of fantasy football value, I wouldn't touch him, which means I think he's waiver wire material. I'm not moving the goal post, you pulled Leveon Bell into the picture not me....In terms of TD hog value for fantasy purposes, I'd compare him more to a Mike Tolbert or John Kuhn type of a hail mary who usually reside on the waiver wire until someone needs a bye week flyer. I wouldn't encourage anyone to own him due to his inability to contribute in any meaningful way to a fantasy roster other than taking up space. And I'll take a shot with an unknown rookie over a known dud. To each his own.

 

[Sabertooth]

Are you talking about dynasty or redraft?

 

[Sabertooth]

Crowell rushed for as many touchdowns as Leveon Bell. :

 

[Rookie_Whisperer]

Are you talking about dynasty or redraft?

I only play dynasty PPR, 12 team, typically 23-25 roster positions (currently 10 leagues). I know I'm probably in the minority with Crowell at this point, but that's where I am with him.

 

[Holy Schneikes]

Tale of the tape:

Crow:

5'11" 224

4.57 40, 38 vert, 117 broad

undrafted

148 for 607, 8 TD, 3 fumble, 4.1 avg rookie stats

West:

5'9" 225

4.54, 33.5 vert , 120 broad

3rd round pick

171 for 673, 4 TD, 1 fumble, 3.9 avg rookie stats

Duke

5'9" 207

4.54 40, 33.5 vert, 121 broad

3rd round pick

If people are seeing some kind of crazy separation there, good luck to you.

People seem to love Crow and hate West, but they both had their ups and downs last year. West was playing more than Crow at the end of the season for whatever reason, and the end of year stats were very similar.

And of course everybody always loves the new guy, but about 1 in 10 live up to fantasy community expectations.

To pick a winner from this bunch is TOUGH. There could be value there, but honestly I'd go for West and pay nothing at this point than try to get one or both of the other two and pay a fair amount.

 

[socrates]

Browns averaged 146.4 yards per game rushing with Alex Mack and 90.5 yards per game rushing without Alex Mack in 2014.

Yeah, people are forgetting this. Their running game looked really strong before Mack's injury

I believe this is what makes this situation so compelling: there could be significant value at the CLE RB position, if one of these backs emerges as a bell cow back. That seems unlikely. This has all the earmarks of a full blown RBBC. We are likely to see a hot-hand approach, and predicting which back will be worthy of a fantasy start in any particular week may be an exercise in futility and frustration. Neither Crowell nor West exhibited much as receivers last season, a facet of the position Johnson excels at, and given Johnson's injury history, he is likely to yield early down carries and short-yardage work to Crowell and/or West.

I still believe fantasy owners can mine value from the CLE RB position. In PPR formats, Duke Johnson arguably offers the most value, but a lack of goal line work could frustrate his owners. Moreover, durability could be a valid concern with Johnson.

Neither Crowell nor West did much to distinguish themselves last season. Crowell did have those Le'Veon Bell-like 8 rushing TDs, and at times flashed fantasy salivating brilliance, showing a rare blend of vision, acceleration, balance, power and patience, but he failed to reach the century mark in any game and never seized the position. For those who are touting Crowell and dismissing West, that is a significant point: with arguably less competition last season, Crowell never emerged.

West had those bookend 100-yard games (100 rushing yards Week #1, 106 combined yards Week #17), but he managed little in between.

I am hopeful the competition will bring out the best in this trio of young backs.

Ball security could be a significant factor in determining which of these backs, if any, rises to the top of the pecking order, so it will be important to monitor camp reports and preseason games.

 

[Sabertooth]

Tale of the tape:

Crow:

5'11" 224

4.57 40, 38 vert, 117 broad

undrafted

148 for 607, 8 TD, 3 fumble, 4.1 avg rookie stats

West:

5'9" 225

4.54, 33.5 vert , 120 broad

3rd round pick

171 for 673, 4 TD, 1 fumble, 3.9 avg rookie stats

Duke

5'9" 207

4.54 40, 33.5 vert, 121 broad

3rd round pick

If people are seeing some kind of crazy separation there, good luck to you.

People seem to love Crow and hate West, but they both had their ups and downs last year. West was playing more than Crow at the end of the season for whatever reason, and the end of year stats were very similar.

And of course everybody always loves the new guy, but about 1 in 10 live up to fantasy community expectations.

To pick a winner from this bunch is TOUGH. There could be value there, but honestly I'd go for West and pay nothing at this point than try to get one or both of the other two and pay a fair amount.

Sometimes taking the cheapest guy is the way to go.

These guys are all RB3 with RB2 upside IMO. Good for bye weeks and as lottery tickets. Right now Crowell is rated along with guys like McKinnon and Latavious. That's about right. West probably a little cheaper but with an equal shot at fantasy impact.

 

[Chaka]

Tale of the tape:

Crow:

5'11" 224

4.57 40, 38 vert, 117 broad

undrafted

148 for 607, 8 TD, 3 fumble, 4.1 avg rookie stats

West:

5'9" 225

4.54, 33.5 vert , 120 broad

3rd round pick

171 for 673, 4 TD, 1 fumble, 3.9 avg rookie stats

Duke

5'9" 207

4.54 40, 33.5 vert, 121 broad

3rd round pick

If people are seeing some kind of crazy separation there, good luck to you.

People seem to love Crow and hate West, but they both had their ups and downs last year. West was playing more than Crow at the end of the season for whatever reason, and the end of year stats were very similar.

And of course everybody always loves the new guy, but about 1 in 10 live up to fantasy community expectations.

To pick a winner from this bunch is TOUGH. There could be value there, but honestly I'd go for West and pay nothing at this point than try to get one or both of the other two and pay a fair amount.

Sometimes taking the cheapest guy is the way to go.

These guys are all RB3 with RB2 upside IMO. Good for bye weeks and as lottery tickets. Right now Crowell is rated along with guys like McKinnon and Latavious. That's about right. West probably a little cheaper but with an equal shot at fantasy impact.

Ranking Latavius Murray with guys like Crow and McKinnon seems nuts. They're all on mediocre teams but only Latavius seems to have an unobstructed shot at being the feature back for his team.

 

[Holy Schneikes]

Tale of the tape:

Crow:

5'11" 224

4.57 40, 38 vert, 117 broad

undrafted

148 for 607, 8 TD, 3 fumble, 4.1 avg rookie stats

West:

5'9" 225

4.54, 33.5 vert , 120 broad

3rd round pick

171 for 673, 4 TD, 1 fumble, 3.9 avg rookie stats

Duke

5'9" 207

4.54 40, 33.5 vert, 121 broad

3rd round pick

If people are seeing some kind of crazy separation there, good luck to you.

People seem to love Crow and hate West, but they both had their ups and downs last year. West was playing more than Crow at the end of the season for whatever reason, and the end of year stats were very similar.

And of course everybody always loves the new guy, but about 1 in 10 live up to fantasy community expectations.

To pick a winner from this bunch is TOUGH. There could be value there, but honestly I'd go for West and pay nothing at this point than try to get one or both of the other two and pay a fair amount.

Sometimes taking the cheapest guy is the way to go.

These guys are all RB3 with RB2 upside IMO. Good for bye weeks and as lottery tickets. Right now Crowell is rated along with guys like McKinnon and Latavious. That's about right. West probably a little cheaper but with an equal shot at fantasy impact.

Ranking Latavius Murray with guys like Crow and McKinnon seems nuts. They're all on mediocre teams but only Latavius seems to have an unobstructed shot at being the feature back for his team.

Some folks haven't given up on Trent Richardson and view him as a threat to at least steal touches and possibly goal-line work. I'd take Murray over the others too, but I see the comparison.

 

[Sabertooth]

Tale of the tape:

Crow:

5'11" 224

4.57 40, 38 vert, 117 broad

undrafted

148 for 607, 8 TD, 3 fumble, 4.1 avg rookie stats

West:

5'9" 225

4.54, 33.5 vert , 120 broad

3rd round pick

171 for 673, 4 TD, 1 fumble, 3.9 avg rookie stats

Duke

5'9" 207

4.54 40, 33.5 vert, 121 broad

3rd round pick

If people are seeing some kind of crazy separation there, good luck to you.

People seem to love Crow and hate West, but they both had their ups and downs last year. West was playing more than Crow at the end of the season for whatever reason, and the end of year stats were very similar.

And of course everybody always loves the new guy, but about 1 in 10 live up to fantasy community expectations.

To pick a winner from this bunch is TOUGH. There could be value there, but honestly I'd go for West and pay nothing at this point than try to get one or both of the other two and pay a fair amount.

Sometimes taking the cheapest guy is the way to go.

These guys are all RB3 with RB2 upside IMO. Good for bye weeks and as lottery tickets. Right now Crowell is rated along with guys like McKinnon and Latavious. That's about right. West probably a little cheaper but with an equal shot at fantasy impact.

Ranking Latavius Murray with guys like Crow and McKinnon seems nuts. They're all on mediocre teams but only Latavius seems to have an unobstructed shot at being the feature back for his team.

Latavious gets a lot of love for that 90 yard touchdown run he had.

While it seems great to have weak competition for this season, we all saw what happened to Zac Stacy when some real talent came to town. In fact, of the four players mentioned Murray is both the oldest and least productive thus far. Murray may have a good shot this season (if he can beat out Trent Richardson and Roy Helu).

Crowell (22yo) - 607-8, 9-87-0

West (24yo) - 171-673-4, 11-64-1

McKinnon (23yo) - 113-538, 27-135-0

Murray (25yo) - 82-424-2, 17-143-0

 

[cstu]

Tale of the tape:

Crow:

5'11" 224

4.57 40, 38 vert, 117 broad

undrafted

148 for 607, 8 TD, 3 fumble, 4.1 avg rookie stats

West:

5'9" 225

4.54, 33.5 vert , 120 broad

3rd round pick

171 for 673, 4 TD, 1 fumble, 3.9 avg rookie stats

Duke

5'9" 207

4.54 40, 33.5 vert, 121 broad

3rd round pick

If people are seeing some kind of crazy separation there, good luck to you.

People seem to love Crow and hate West, but they both had their ups and downs last year. West was playing more than Crow at the end of the season for whatever reason, and the end of year stats were very similar.

And of course everybody always loves the new guy, but about 1 in 10 live up to fantasy community expectations.

To pick a winner from this bunch is TOUGH. There could be value there, but honestly I'd go for West and pay nothing at this point than try to get one or both of the other two and pay a fair amount.

Sometimes taking the cheapest guy is the way to go.

These guys are all RB3 with RB2 upside IMO. Good for bye weeks and as lottery tickets. Right now Crowell is rated along with guys like McKinnon and Latavious. That's about right. West probably a little cheaper but with an equal shot at fantasy impact.

Ranking Latavius Murray with guys like Crow and McKinnon seems nuts. They're all on mediocre teams but only Latavius seems to have an unobstructed shot at being the feature back for his team.

Latavious gets a lot of love for that 90 yard touchdown run he had.

While it seems great to have weak competition for this season, we all saw what happened to Zac Stacy when some real talent came to town. In fact, of the four players mentioned Murray is both the oldest and least productive thus far. Murray may have a good shot this season (if he can beat out Trent Richardson and Roy Helu).

Crowell (22yo) - 607-8, 9-87-0

West (24yo) - 171-673-4, 11-64-1

McKinnon (23yo) - 113-538, 27-135-0

Murray (25yo) - 82-424-2, 17-143-0

Murray is the oldest but he's the only one with a lock on a starting job.

 

[K0wned]

Truly a toss up for me. All three have good reasons to be optimistic. I'll either own West shares, depending how cheap he is, or none of the three.

 

[Sabertooth]

Tale of the tape:

Crow:

5'11" 224

4.57 40, 38 vert, 117 broad

undrafted

148 for 607, 8 TD, 3 fumble, 4.1 avg rookie stats

West:

5'9" 225

4.54, 33.5 vert , 120 broad

3rd round pick

171 for 673, 4 TD, 1 fumble, 3.9 avg rookie stats

Duke

5'9" 207

4.54 40, 33.5 vert, 121 broad

3rd round pick

If people are seeing some kind of crazy separation there, good luck to you.

People seem to love Crow and hate West, but they both had their ups and downs last year. West was playing more than Crow at the end of the season for whatever reason, and the end of year stats were very similar.

And of course everybody always loves the new guy, but about 1 in 10 live up to fantasy community expectations.

To pick a winner from this bunch is TOUGH. There could be value there, but honestly I'd go for West and pay nothing at this point than try to get one or both of the other two and pay a fair amount.

Sometimes taking the cheapest guy is the way to go. These guys are all RB3 with RB2 upside IMO. Good for bye weeks and as lottery tickets. Right now Crowell is rated along with guys like McKinnon and Latavious. That's about right. West probably a little cheaper but with an equal shot at fantasy impact.

Ranking Latavius Murray with guys like Crow and McKinnon seems nuts. They're all on mediocre teams but only Latavius seems to have an unobstructed shot at being the feature back for his team.

Latavious gets a lot of love for that 90 yard touchdown run he had. While it seems great to have weak competition for this season, we all saw what happened to Zac Stacy when some real talent came to town. In fact, of the four players mentioned Murray is both the oldest and least productive thus far. Murray may have a good shot this season (if he can beat out Trent Richardson and Roy Helu).

Crowell (22yo) - 607-8, 9-87-0

West (24yo) - 171-673-4, 11-64-1

McKinnon (23yo) - 113-538, 27-135-0

Murray (25yo) - 82-424-2, 17-143-0

Murray is the oldest but he's the only one with a lock on a starting job.

A lock huh? Hadn't heard that. Got a link?

 

[georg013]

At this point, Crowell and West should be waiver wire fodder. Neither really did anything to establish themselves as reliable contributors to the Browns or your fantasy team. Why waste the roster spot?

6 team, family league, redraft mentality right here. Players who aren't all pro year one or in the perfect situation are waiver wire fodder. Can't hate though. Thats how I managed to acquire Alshon Jeffery off waivers after his terrible rookie season.

 

[Zyphros]

Inquired about both of these guys in 2 different leagues. Asking prices in those leagues were: Crowell - 1st, Crowell - mid 2nd. West - (got him for a 2017 2nd), West - 3rd.

Although I prefer Crowell, I want a piece of that backfield. I have a feeling someone is going to separate and it's not going to be Duke.

Edit: to clarify the offers

 

[Rookie_Whisperer]

At this point, Crowell and West should be waiver wire fodder. Neither really did anything to establish themselves as reliable contributors to the Browns or your fantasy team. Why waste the roster spot?

6 team, family league, redraft mentality right here. Players who aren't all pro year one or in the perfect situation are waiver wire fodder. Can't hate though. Thats how I managed to acquire Alshon Jeffery off waivers after his terrible rookie season.

Haha....sure bud. I've been playing fantasy football for 25 years and strictly 12 team ppr dynasty for the past 12. How many champioships did you win with West or Crowell, or games for that matter with either of them in your lineup? I'll bet zero. Maybe you think they are just slowly developing these two guys and someday they will just explode...hahaha Good luck Champ.BTW, you must be in a family league if you found Jeffrey on the ww or play with total idiots. I wouldn't know what that's like and don't have anyone in any of my 10 leagues who would do something that stupid, but we play for money.

 

[PhantomZoner]

At this point, Crowell and West should be waiver wire fodder. Neither really did anything to establish themselves as reliable contributors to the Browns or your fantasy team. Why waste the roster spot?

6 team, family league, redraft mentality right here. Players who aren't all pro year one or in the perfect situation are waiver wire fodder. Can't hate though. Thats how I managed to acquire Alshon Jeffery off waivers after his terrible rookie season.

Haha....sure bud. I've been playing fantasy football for 25 years and strictly 12 team ppr dynasty for the past 12. How many champioships did you win with West or Crowell, or games for that matter with either of them in your lineup? I'll bet zero. Maybe you think they are just slowly developing these two guys and someday they will just explode...hahaha Good luck Champ.BTW, you must be in a family league if you found Jeffrey on the ww or play with total idiots. I wouldn't know what that's like and don't have anyone in any of my 10 leagues who would do something that stupid, but we play for money.

Just curious, do you dislike Crowell for any specific reason? Just a honest question. He looked pretty good last season. The one knock I have against him is that he fumbled the ball a few times. But IIRC Pettine was more pissed with West fumbling the ball because of the game situation. The other thing that works against Crowell is his draft pedigree.

 

[Rookie_Whisperer]

At this point, Crowell and West should be waiver wire fodder. Neither really did anything to establish themselves as reliable contributors to the Browns or your fantasy team. Why waste the roster spot?

6 team, family league, redraft mentality right here. Players who aren't all pro year one or in the perfect situation are waiver wire fodder. Can't hate though. Thats how I managed to acquire Alshon Jeffery off waivers after his terrible rookie season.

Haha....sure bud. I've been playing fantasy football for 25 years and strictly 12 team ppr dynasty for the past 12. How many champioships did you win with West or Crowell, or games for that matter with either of them in your lineup? I'll bet zero. Maybe you think they are just slowly developing these two guys and someday they will just explode...hahaha Good luck Champ.BTW, you must be in a family league if you found Jeffrey on the ww or play with total idiots. I wouldn't know what that's like and don't have anyone in any of my 10 leagues who would do something that stupid, but we play for money.

Just curious, do you dislike Crowell for any specific reason? Just a honest question. He looked pretty good last season. The one knock I have against him is that he fumbled the ball a few times. But IIRC Pettine was more pissed with West fumbling the ball because of the game situation. The other thing that works against Crowell is his draft pedigree.

His team situation stinks and I don't like wasting roster spots on one dimensional players (AKA, guys who don't catch in the case of Crowell) who only touch the ball 11 to 17 times a game and betting on them for fantasy production. Guys like him may post a decent stat line one game while sitting on your bench and then you think you can reliably start him and he sticks you with 5 points for 3 games in row. He has use on a bad team's NFL roster but very little on a fantasy roster because you cannot rely on him. And that draft pedigree does work against him because that leash is very very short. There is nothing stopping the Browns from upgrading that position at any given moment, and certainly every year until they land an every down back. At best he's in a 3 way time share. At worst, he fumbles again and finds his seat on the bench. I can't find anything to like about him or his situation.

 

[Sabertooth]

So you don't like him because he only caught a few passes last year? And you think that the absolute best case is that he is in a three headed monster committee?

Am I to assume you disagree with Matt Waldman on Crowell? Here's what Matt had to say about Crowell a year ago.

.... If I based my evaluation of Crowells NFL potential solely on football skill, he is easily the best running back in this 2014 NFL Draft class....

 

[Sabertooth]

Were Gurley and Crowell at UGA together?

 

[PhantomZoner]

At this point, Crowell and West should be waiver wire fodder. Neither really did anything to establish themselves as reliable contributors to the Browns or your fantasy team. Why waste the roster spot?

6 team, family league, redraft mentality right here. Players who aren't all pro year one or in the perfect situation are waiver wire fodder. Can't hate though. Thats how I managed to acquire Alshon Jeffery off waivers after his terrible rookie season.

Haha....sure bud. I've been playing fantasy football for 25 years and strictly 12 team ppr dynasty for the past 12. How many champioships did you win with West or Crowell, or games for that matter with either of them in your lineup? I'll bet zero. Maybe you think they are just slowly developing these two guys and someday they will just explode...hahaha Good luck Champ.BTW, you must be in a family league if you found Jeffrey on the ww or play with total idiots. I wouldn't know what that's like and don't have anyone in any of my 10 leagues who would do something that stupid, but we play for money.

Just curious, do you dislike Crowell for any specific reason? Just a honest question. He looked pretty good last season. The one knock I have against him is that he fumbled the ball a few times. But IIRC Pettine was more pissed with West fumbling the ball because of the game situation. The other thing that works against Crowell is his draft pedigree.

His team situation stinks and I don't like wasting roster spots on one dimensional players (AKA, guys who don't catch in the case of Crowell) who only touch the ball 11 to 17 times a game and betting on them for fantasy production. Guys like him may post a decent stat line one game while sitting on your bench and then you think you can reliably start him and he sticks you with 5 points for 3 games in row. He has use on a bad team's NFL roster but very little on a fantasy roster because you cannot rely on him. And that draft pedigree does work against him because that leash is very very short. There is nothing stopping the Browns from upgrading that position at any given moment, and certainly every year until they land an every down back. At best he's in a 3 way time share. At worst, he fumbles again and finds his seat on the bench. I can't find anything to like about him or his situation.

I don't disagree with most of your assessment, except for the best case scenario part. It's not inconceivable that he could stand out as the best RB they have early in the preseason and get a grasp of that job. And if their line holds up he could perform well enough that could be his job to lose. Of course it could turn into a Gurlry/Mason situation any time in the future but again I am trying to think of the best case scenario.

 

[georg013]

At this point, Crowell and West should be waiver wire fodder. Neither really did anything to establish themselves as reliable contributors to the Browns or your fantasy team. Why waste the roster spot?

6 team, family league, redraft mentality right here. Players who aren't all pro year one or in the perfect situation are waiver wire fodder. Can't hate though. Thats how I managed to acquire Alshon Jeffery off waivers after his terrible rookie season.

Haha....sure bud. I've been playing fantasy football for 25 years and strictly 12 team ppr dynasty for the past 12. How many champioships did you win with West or Crowell, or games for that matter with either of them in your lineup? I'll bet zero. Maybe you think they are just slowly developing these two guys and someday they will just explode...hahaha Good luck Champ.BTW, you must be in a family league if you found Jeffrey on the ww or play with total idiots. I wouldn't know what that's like and don't have anyone in any of my 10 leagues who would do something that stupid, but we play for money.

My point is simple. There are dumb-dumbs in every league who lack the patience to see guys through. In my league it was the ex-Alshon owner. In yours, it's the big numb nut banging his chest telling everyone to abandon Crowell (UFA) after an 8 TD season year one. (I nabbed the worthless piece of crap with the final pick of our rookie draft 3.12). A lottery ticket who will possibly have a chance to explore free agency before he hits 25. All the while he gains valuable experience and other teams get to see him. Get the picture? There is a HUGE forest beyond the tiny little tree you seem fixated on bud. Won't waste time tooting my own horn (laying out my "credentials"). Your argument just doesn't matter enough to me. Besides, what do I need to prove to a guy who whispers to rookies? Just kidding. But I'm serious. Let's see these guys fall flat year 2 before we jump ship. I liked your comment just in case this one comes off too harsh.

 

[Rookie_Whisperer]

So you don't like him because he only caught a few passes last year? And you think that the absolute best case is that he is in a three headed monster committee?

Am I to assume you disagree with Matt Waldman on Crowell? Here's what Matt had to say about Crowell a year ago.

.... If I based my evaluation of Crowells NFL potential solely on football skill, he is easily the best running back in this 2014 NFL Draft class....

Apparently I'm not the only person who disagreed with Waldman on Crowell or someone would have taken a late chance on his skill set. (See all 32 NFL teams that had a chance to draft him and chose not to. And I didn't hear about a bidding war for his services prior to signing with the talent deficient Browns) As much as I appreciate Waldman's thoughts on some things, he isn't always right, he doesn't work for an NFL team, and last year was one of the worst years for RBs in a while outside of Hill. I'm pretty sure Waldman doesn't think his skill set is better than Jermey Hill, does he? I get it though, you like him. Good luck, you are going to need it. And please enjoy those 4 and 7 point games he is going to to routinely stick you with. And better yet, enjoy the multiple TD game he might stumble across while sitting on your bench after he just burned you for the past 3 weeks you started him. Those are always fun. If I owned him, I would hope there is just one guy in my league who likes him as much as you so could I trade him to you.

 

[Sabertooth]

I don't love him. But writing a guy off after "only" an 8 touchdown rookie season is not smart.

Everyone knows he slid for character reasons.

 

[georg013]

...because every team in every league is able to completely fill his roster with Adrian Peterson and Eddie Lacy types! There apparently isn't any in between anymore. If you don't explode like ODB year one, you are a bust! No time to grow or develop...

Lucky for me, here is where Isaiah Crow Shyt sits on my roster:

Eddie Lacy

Jeremy Hill

Todd Gurley

---------------------

Jay Ajayi

Joseph Randle

Isaiah Crow

The POS(s) below the line are my prospective holds. Guys I don't have to count on but would like to monitor for a month/year (or two) to see what becomes of them. We have nice, big rosters (30) so we can acquire guys BEFORE Rotoworld gets a hold of them and they become hyped. I do the same for WRs as well.

Calvin Johnson

DT

Alshon Jeffery

Sammy Watkins

Keenan Allen

-----------------

Kevin White

Josh Gordon

It's the piece of crap guys that owners give up on early that allows teams like mine to draft guys like Gurley and White despite finishing second overall. These speculative adds increase in value as the season progresses and teams get desperate. I may not have any intention of starting any of them. Rather, I look to sell them for picks to keep my team young and fresh with players I do like. See Joseph Randle. Don't like him. Didn't like him. Picked him up right before Twitter exploded with Randle Love. Now, I could possibly be sitting on the next Dallas starter. Will I play him? Who knows. Will I depend on him? Nope. Big picture, I give my self a shot at drafting Chubb in 2017 after I've collected a title this year and next. If Crow doesn't pan out, it cost me last year's 3.12, boo hoo.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

...because every team in every league is able to completely fill his roster with Adrian Peterson and Eddie Lacy types! There apparently isn't any in between anymore. If you don't explode like ODB year one, you are a bust! No time to grow or develop...

Lucky for me, here is where Isaiah Crow Shyt sits on my roster:

Eddie Lacy

Jeremy Hill

Todd Gurley

---------------------

Jay Ajayi

Joseph Randle

Isaiah Crow

The POS(s) below the line are my prospective holds. Guys I don't have to count on but would like to monitor for a month/year (or two) to see what becomes of them. We have nice, big rosters (30) so we can acquire guys BEFORE Rotoworld gets a hold of them and they become hyped. I do the same for WRs as well.

Calvin Johnson

DT

Alshon Jeffery

Sammy Watkins

Keenan Allen

-----------------

Kevin White

Josh Gordon

It's the piece of crap guys that owners give up on early that allows teams like mine to draft guys like Gurley and White despite finishing second overall. These speculative adds increase in value as the season progresses and teams get desperate. I may not have any intention of starting any of them. Rather, I look to sell them for picks to keep my team young and fresh with players I do like. See Joseph Randle. Don't like him. Didn't like him. Picked him up right before Twitter exploded with Randle Love. Now, I could possibly be sitting on the next Dallas starter. Will I play him? Who knows. Will I depend on him? Nope. Big picture, I give my self a shot at drafting Chubb in 2017 after I've collected a title this year and next. If Crow doesn't pan out, it cost me last year's 3.12, boo hoo.

Is this in the 6 team family league?

 

[georg013]

...because every team in every league is able to completely fill his roster with Adrian Peterson and Eddie Lacy types! There apparently isn't any in between anymore. If you don't explode like ODB year one, you are a bust! No time to grow or develop...

Lucky for me, here is where Isaiah Crow Shyt sits on my roster:

Eddie Lacy

Jeremy Hill

Todd Gurley

---------------------

Jay Ajayi

Joseph Randle

Isaiah Crow

The POS(s) below the line are my prospective holds. Guys I don't have to count on but would like to monitor for a month/year (or two) to see what becomes of them. We have nice, big rosters (30) so we can acquire guys BEFORE Rotoworld gets a hold of them and they become hyped. I do the same for WRs as well.

Calvin Johnson

DT

Alshon Jeffery

Sammy Watkins

Keenan Allen

-----------------

Kevin White

Josh Gordon

It's the piece of crap guys that owners give up on early that allows teams like mine to draft guys like Gurley and White despite finishing second overall. These speculative adds increase in value as the season progresses and teams get desperate. I may not have any intention of starting any of them. Rather, I look to sell them for picks to keep my team young and fresh with players I do like. See Joseph Randle. Don't like him. Didn't like him. Picked him up right before Twitter exploded with Randle Love. Now, I could possibly be sitting on the next Dallas starter. Will I play him? Who knows. Will I depend on him? Nope. Big picture, I give my self a shot at drafting Chubb in 2017 after I've collected a title this year and next. If Crow doesn't pan out, it cost me last year's 3.12, boo hoo.

Is this in the 6 team family league?

Yes! And I finished second!!!!!

 

[Alex P Keaton]

...because every team in every league is able to completely fill his roster with Adrian Peterson and Eddie Lacy types! There apparently isn't any in between anymore. If you don't explode like ODB year one, you are a bust! No time to grow or develop...

Lucky for me, here is where Isaiah Crow Shyt sits on my roster:

Eddie Lacy

Jeremy Hill

Todd Gurley

---------------------

Jay Ajayi

Joseph Randle

Isaiah Crow

The POS(s) below the line are my prospective holds. Guys I don't have to count on but would like to monitor for a month/year (or two) to see what becomes of them. We have nice, big rosters (30) so we can acquire guys BEFORE Rotoworld gets a hold of them and they become hyped. I do the same for WRs as well.

Calvin Johnson

DT

Alshon Jeffery

Sammy Watkins

Keenan Allen

-----------------

Kevin White

Josh Gordon

It's the piece of crap guys that owners give up on early that allows teams like mine to draft guys like Gurley and White despite finishing second overall. These speculative adds increase in value as the season progresses and teams get desperate. I may not have any intention of starting any of them. Rather, I look to sell them for picks to keep my team young and fresh with players I do like. See Joseph Randle. Don't like him. Didn't like him. Picked him up right before Twitter exploded with Randle Love. Now, I could possibly be sitting on the next Dallas starter. Will I play him? Who knows. Will I depend on him? Nope. Big picture, I give my self a shot at drafting Chubb in 2017 after I've collected a title this year and next. If Crow doesn't pan out, it cost me last year's 3.12, boo hoo.

Is this in the 6 team family league?

Yes! And I finished second!!!!!

Hope you got a runner up trophy. Kudos.

 

[fredsavage]

Browns are going to run the ball a record amount of times this year. Should be a good line. I'm buying on everyone including Duke at their market price.

 

[Sabertooth]

They are cheap. That's for sure.

 

[Warpig]

I've been offered Terrence West for my 5.01 rookie pick. This is a 16 team PPR/IDP league with salary cap and 40+ man rosters. I'm thinking about pulling the trigger. The only thing giving me pause is his contract of 6.5 mil. He was the 1.16 rookie pick last year.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

I've been offered Terrence West for my 5.01 rookie pick. This is a 16 team PPR/IDP league with salary cap and 40+ man rosters. I'm thinking about pulling the trigger. The only thing giving me pause is his contract of 6.5 mil. He was the 1.16 rookie pick last year.

Looks like I need to send some offers for West. Can't imagine anything like that being accepted, but you never know.

 

[Faust]

Isaiah Crowell holds edge over Terrance West entering 2015

 

[B Maverick]

Were Gurley and Crowell at UGA together?

I believe Crowell left after his frosh season which opened the door for Gurley and Marshall to come in and get the carries. I dont think they overlapped but I could be off by a year.