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GRIDIRON ASSASSIN

Footballguy
TONS of rumors swirling around that Terrell Owens had dinner with Bears GM Jerry Angelo yesterday....I have zero interest.Just an FYI.

 

UFO

Footballguy
If Grossman could stay healthy with Muhammad's downfield blocking and Berrian as a deep threat #3, the Bears could actually turn into a decent offense.I would taher see TO w/Grossman than Vick or Feuroote personally.

 

Your Mom

Footballguy
please don't bring TO to chicago. The guy has serious problems and I don't want to see him destroy my teams locker room.

 

3nOut

Footballguy
please don't bring TO to chicago. The guy has serious problems and I don't want to see him destroy my teams locker room.
...let alone on my television EVERY night. Don't need to see him locally.
 

BoulderBob

Footballguy
Who gives a damn about the locker room! The Bears have the defense in place for a Super Bowl run and the need offense asap...

 

Demons

Footballguy
Ship him to the Raiders. How much worse could it get in Oakland, and we would have 24/7 entertainment!

 

Keys Myaths

Pokerguy
Who gives a damn about the locker room! The Bears have the defense in place for a Super Bowl run and the need offense asap...
Because signing the #1 WR of 2004 worked wonders for that offense.You still need someone that can throw the ball.

 

midwaymonster

Footballguy
True about Mushin, but he did not help the cause with all the drops he had (please do not make me dig up those stats again). I know I am in the minority, but I think the risk/reward with TO is worth it if they do it right. Owens is a different receiver than Mushin, ie can take a 5 yard slant, break tackles, and get to the house. Hate to see a problem in the locker room with a young OB like Grossman, but do you think the Bears really have enough on O to take it further? I for one would love to see them take a shot with a move like this. Instantly upgrades the O with a D that is locked up for next year. Could be flat out scary.

 

Rounders

Footballguy
Any link Grid? I can't seem to find anything? I have not listened to local sports radio in a couple of days (travelling out of town).I would love to read something, thanks!

 

Limp Ditka

Footballguy
Who gives a damn about the locker room!  The Bears have the defense in place for a Super Bowl run and the need offense asap...
Because signing the #1 WR of 2004 worked wonders for that offense.You still need someone that can throw the ball.
They have someone who can throw the ball, he just happened to play only 10 quarters of football this year
 

BassNBrew

IBL Representative
True about Mushin, but he did not help the cause with all the drops he had (please do not make me dig up those stats again). I know I am in the minority, but I think the risk/reward with TO is worth it if they do it right. Owens is a different receiver than Mushin, ie can take a 5 yard slant, break tackles, and get to the house. Hate to see a problem in the locker room with a young OB like Grossman, but do you think the Bears really have enough on O to take it further? I for one would love to see them take a shot with a move like this. Instantly upgrades the O with a D that is locked up for next year. Could be flat out scary.
Your team already gets drunk, fires weapons, and rearranges each other's faces...yeah, add TO to that mix, gently stir, and then stand back.
 

FUBAR

Footballguy
Who gives a damn about the locker room! The Bears have the defense in place for a Super Bowl run and the need offense asap...
Because signing the #1 WR of 2004 worked wonders for that offense.You still need someone that can throw the ball.
They have someone who can throw the ball, he just happened to play only 10 quarters of football this year
Yeah, that Playoff performance really "wowed" us. ;) 17/41 isn't going to work with TO.

 

Joe Bryant

Guide
Staff member
Who gives a damn about the locker room!  The Bears have the defense in place for a Super Bowl run and the need offense asap...
Because signing the #1 WR of 2004 worked wonders for that offense.You still need someone that can throw the ball.
They have someone who can throw the ball, he just happened to play only 10 quarters of football this year
Yeah, that Playoff performance really "wowed" us. ;) 17/41 isn't going to work with TO.
I'm no Rex Grossman fan. I used to get lots of hate mail from Florida fans when I called him Injury Prone his rookie year. I don't get as much now.But Rex Grossman is not 17/41 in that game if Terrell Owens is on the field. He would help the Bears in a big big way and he'd do it right now. Would he burn out in 12 months? Probably. But with that defense they could be scary with Owens / Moose / Jones / Benson.

This would be TERRIBLE news for Vikings and Packers fans.

J

 

zoonation

Footballguy
Who gives a damn about the locker room!  The Bears have the defense in place for a Super Bowl run and the need offense asap...
Because signing the #1 WR of 2004 worked wonders for that offense.You still need someone that can throw the ball.
They have someone who can throw the ball, he just happened to play only 10 quarters of football this year
Yeah, that Playoff performance really "wowed" us. ;) 17/41 isn't going to work with TO.
I'm no Rex Grossman fan. I used to get lots of hate mail from Florida fans when I called him Injury Prone his rookie year. I don't get as much now.But Rex Grossman is not 17/41 in that game if Terrell Owens is on the field. He would help the Bears in a big big way and he'd do it right now. Would he burn out in 12 months? Probably. But with that defense they could be scary with Owens / Moose / Jones / Benson.

This would be TERRIBLE news for Vikings and Packers fans.

J
:goodposting:
 

fatness

against the grain
He would help the Bears in a big big way and he'd do it right now. Would he burn out in 12 months? Probably. But with that defense they could be scary with Owens / Moose / Jones / Benson.

This would be TERRIBLE news for Vikings and Packers fans.

J
Would be burn out in 10 months?Would he burn out in 8 months?

Those things kill a season and leave a team worse off than if they had never signed him.

 

redman

Footballguy
He would help the Bears in a big big way and he'd do it right now. Would he burn out in 12 months? Probably. But with that defense they could be scary with Owens / Moose / Jones / Benson.

This would be TERRIBLE news for Vikings and Packers fans.

J
Would be burn out in 10 months?Would he burn out in 8 months?

Those things kill a season and leave a team worse off than if they had never signed him.
Exactly. TO was already harrassing McNabb on the sidelines midway through the 2004 season. What was that, six months after signing with them? What happened after the Super Bowl was simply the deal breaker. It's funny because there's not a team in the league that can't make a good argument about NOT signing TO.

The teams on the bottom of the heap wouldn't want him to hurt the confidence of young players trying to get their footing in the NFL as the team rebuilds.

Teams on top don't want him to destroy the unity and focus of the team while it contends for playoff berths and championships.

 

zoonation

Footballguy
He would help the Bears in a big big way and he'd do it right now. Would he burn out in 12 months? Probably. But with that defense they could be scary with Owens / Moose / Jones / Benson.

This would be TERRIBLE news for Vikings and Packers fans.

J
Would be burn out in 10 months?Would he burn out in 8 months?

Those things kill a season and leave a team worse off than if they had never signed him.
Exactly. TO was already harrassing McNabb on the sidelines midway through the 2004 season. What was that, six months after signing with them? What happened after the Super Bowl was simply the deal breaker. It's funny because there's not a team in the league that can't make a good argument about NOT signing TO.

The teams on the bottom of the heap wouldn't want him to hurt the confidence of young players trying to get their footing in the NFL as the team rebuilds.

Teams on top don't want him to destroy the unity and focus of the team while it contends for playoff berths and championships.
Pure conjecture. I mean honestly, aside from what you see on TV what do you really know about it? Nothing. Philly had their most dominant year ever with TO while they were "contending" and running away with a playoff birth and conference title.
 

-OZ-

Footballguy
Who gives a damn about the locker room! The Bears have the defense in place for a Super Bowl run and the need offense asap...
Because signing the #1 WR of 2004 worked wonders for that offense.You still need someone that can throw the ball.
They have someone who can throw the ball, he just happened to play only 10 quarters of football this year
Yeah, that Playoff performance really "wowed" us. ;) 17/41 isn't going to work with TO.
I'm no Rex Grossman fan. I used to get lots of hate mail from Florida fans when I called him Injury Prone his rookie year. I don't get as much now.But Rex Grossman is not 17/41 in that game if Terrell Owens is on the field. He would help the Bears in a big big way and he'd do it right now. Would he burn out in 12 months? Probably. But with that defense they could be scary with Owens / Moose / Jones / Benson.

This would be TERRIBLE news for Vikings and Packers fans.

J
I've agree with you on Rex all along, although he has shown a little more potential than I gave him credit for. But, TO only caught 51% of McNabb's passes this year, and IIRC 2004 wasn't much better. TO is a playmaker when he gets the ball, but is far from the most sure-handed WR in the NFL. TO would open up Moose quite a bit, and sure the offense would improve greatly, but do you really think Owens would be happy with Rex? Great news for Lions fans, as the Bears would self-destruct in 07. ;)

 

redman

Footballguy
He would help the Bears in a big big way and he'd do it right now. Would he burn out in 12 months? Probably. But with that defense they could be scary with Owens / Moose / Jones / Benson.

This would be TERRIBLE news for Vikings and Packers fans.

J
Would be burn out in 10 months?Would he burn out in 8 months?

Those things kill a season and leave a team worse off than if they had never signed him.
Exactly. TO was already harrassing McNabb on the sidelines midway through the 2004 season. What was that, six months after signing with them? What happened after the Super Bowl was simply the deal breaker. It's funny because there's not a team in the league that can't make a good argument about NOT signing TO.

The teams on the bottom of the heap wouldn't want him to hurt the confidence of young players trying to get their footing in the NFL as the team rebuilds.

Teams on top don't want him to destroy the unity and focus of the team while it contends for playoff berths and championships.
Pure conjecture. I mean honestly, aside from what you see on TV what do you really know about it? Nothing. Philly had their most dominant year ever with TO while they were "contending" and running away with a playoff birth and conference title.
Conjecture? So I didn't in fact see TO in McNabb's face during the Pittsburgh game in '04 - not coincidentally their first loss of the season - with McNabb clearly trying to calmly walk away? I agree. I don't know anything besides what I see and read. Neither do you.

What we DO know is that TO has alienated two different franchises for the same set of reasons: 1) open and viciously personal criticism of the QB; 2) yearly complaints about his contract; 3) criticism of the coaching staff; 4) his love of publicity first and foremost over any teammate.

The fact that Philly had their "most dominant year ever" with McNabb misses the point, or at least looks at this only like a fantasy footballer would. I'm not talking about stats or fantasy football. I'm talking about a guy who is such a narcissist that he simply can't help but destroy anyone around him, even if he needs those people to be successful.

That's not conjecture. That's fact.

 
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valhallan

Footballguy
TO's ego makes it imperative that he lands in a large market. Chicago definitely has to be considered one of the frontrunners, IMO.

 

mbuehner

Footballguy
Hmm, TO going to a defensive team that loves to run the ball with an inexperienced QB. I dont see anything that could potentially go wrong here.

 

Hear-the-Footsteps

Footballguy
Ship him to the Raiders. How much worse could it get in Oakland, and we would have 24/7 entertainment!
It'd be pretty tough for him to go to the Raiders.TO loves BIG $$$.

The Raiders are the team most over the cap going into 2006 (around $30 mil over I believe). They need to do loads of restructuring and/or cutting. They can't afford to add another big name.

 

-OZ-

Footballguy
TO's ego makes it imperative that he lands in a large market. Chicago definitely has to be considered one of the frontrunners, IMO.
True.
Hmm, TO going to a defensive team that loves to run the ball with an inexperienced QB. I dont see anything that could potentially go wrong here.
Completely agreed.If he wants a media market - and keep in mind he and his agent are working the deal right now, why not the Giants? If they could afford him. Imagine TO, Plax and Shockey with Eli - the media would have a field day. Coughlin might kill himself, but it would be fun to watch. :popcorn:

 

Sheriff66

Footballguy
Who gives a damn about the locker room!  The Bears have the defense in place for a Super Bowl run and the need offense asap...
Because signing the #1 WR of 2004 worked wonders for that offense.You still need someone that can throw the ball.
They have someone who can throw the ball, he just happened to play only 10 quarters of football this year
Yeah, that Playoff performance really "wowed" us. ;) 17/41 isn't going to work with TO.
I'm no Rex Grossman fan. I used to get lots of hate mail from Florida fans when I called him Injury Prone his rookie year. I don't get as much now.But Rex Grossman is not 17/41 in that game if Terrell Owens is on the field. He would help the Bears in a big big way and he'd do it right now. Would he burn out in 12 months? Probably. But with that defense they could be scary with Owens / Moose / Jones / Benson.

This would be TERRIBLE news for Vikings and Packers fans.

J
Chicago had a defense on the field playing last week??? :confused: :mellow:
 

glock

"Don't grumble, give a whistle!"
He would help the Bears in a big big way and he'd do it right now. Would he burn out in 12 months? Probably. But with that defense they could be scary with Owens / Moose / Jones / Benson.

This would be TERRIBLE news for Vikings and Packers fans.

J
Would be burn out in 10 months?Would he burn out in 8 months?

Those things kill a season and leave a team worse off than if they had never signed him.
Exactly. TO was already harrassing McNabb on the sidelines midway through the 2004 season. What was that, six months after signing with them? What happened after the Super Bowl was simply the deal breaker. It's funny because there's not a team in the league that can't make a good argument about NOT signing TO.

The teams on the bottom of the heap wouldn't want him to hurt the confidence of young players trying to get their footing in the NFL as the team rebuilds.

Teams on top don't want him to destroy the unity and focus of the team while it contends for playoff berths and championships.
Pure conjecture. I mean honestly, aside from what you see on TV what do you really know about it? Nothing. Philly had their most dominant year ever with TO while they were "contending" and running away with a playoff birth and conference title.
Conjecture? So I didn't in fact see TO in McNabb's face during the Pittsburgh game in '04 - not coincidentally their first loss of the season - with McNabb clearly trying to calmly walk away? I agree. I don't know anything besides what I see and read. Neither do you.

What we DO know is that TO has alienated two different franchises for the same set of reasons: 1) open and viciously personal criticism of the QB; 2) yearly complaints about his contract; 3) criticism of the coaching staff; 4) his love of publicity first and foremost over any teammate.

The fact that Philly had their "most dominant year ever" with McNabb misses the point, or at least looks at this only like a fantasy footballer would. I'm not talking about stats or fantasy football. I'm talking about a guy who is such a narcissist that he simply can't help but destroy anyone around him, even if he needs those people to be successful.

That's not conjecture. That's fact.
Let me get this straight. Are you really a behavioral psychologist?...or did you just stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night?

:popcorn:

 

ericttspikes

Footballguy
Who gives a damn about the locker room! The Bears have the defense in place for a Super Bowl run and the need offense asap...
Because signing the #1 WR of 2004 worked wonders for that offense.You still need someone that can throw the ball.
They have someone who can throw the ball, he just happened to play only 10 quarters of football this year
Yeah, that Playoff performance really "wowed" us. ;) 17/41 isn't going to work with TO.
I'm no Rex Grossman fan. I used to get lots of hate mail from Florida fans when I called him Injury Prone his rookie year. I don't get as much now.But Rex Grossman is not 17/41 in that game if Terrell Owens is on the field. He would help the Bears in a big big way and he'd do it right now. Would he burn out in 12 months? Probably. But with that defense they could be scary with Owens / Moose / Jones / Benson.

This would be TERRIBLE news for Vikings and Packers fans.

J
I agree. Do I think TO is a arrogant jerk, yes. But he is the best WR in the game. If he is able to control himself and play a whole year, pencil him in for 1500 yards and 10+ TDs no matter who is QB. TO is a YAC machine, unlike Mushy who seems content to hopefully catch the ball and fall down. I'd take a TO experiment, as this team needs production from the offense.
 

Joe Bryant

Guide
Staff member
Teams on top don't want him to destroy the unity and focus of the team while it contends for playoff berths and championships.
Hi red,I don't disagree there. Chicago is so new to the "top" lately, I don't really think of them as a team on the top like a New England or Indy.

I put them as a team with great potential still missing a key part. For them, it's obviously a boost in the passing game. I don't know of a player in the game that has the potential to boost the passing game more than Owens.

Obviously, there are risks involved. But people are kidding themselves if they don't think there are huge positives in the balance as well.

I'll say again, if I'm a Vikings or Packers fan, my worst nightmare is T.O. to Chicago.

J

 

Joe Bryant

Guide
Staff member
Interesting. This would give the Bears two W.R.'s both 33 years old.
Agreed DW.One word though. Winrightnow.

Another word. Windowofopportunity.

Two strong factors in T.O.'s favor I think.

J

 

Aaron Rudnicki

Keep Walking™
Staff member
I think whoever signs TO this time around is going to get a great bargain. His past actions will allow a team to sign him to a 1 or 2 year incentive laden contract that will help keep him in line and keep him motivated to produce.This report was discussed in depth on ESPN Radio yesterday. The Bears denied it by saying that "it would be considered tampering". But, the Eagles have already given permission to Owens and Drew Rosenhaus to seek a trade, so the meeting would be perfectly permissible. Everybody who the station called to try and confirm the report (including the restaurant where they were seen), responded that they "could not confirm or deny" it. So, it certainly seems like this definitely happened, but its also likely that Owens is having these kinds of meetings with GMs all over the league right now.I'm not sure he'd be a great fit in Chicago personality wise, but he would certainly give the Bears a much more explosive offense. And, if he ever got out of line, I'm sure Olin Kreutz could smack him around a little bit.

 

Bankerguy

Footballguy
It's going to be a long off season if we get a thread everytime TO "talks' to someone.

This just in....TO took a dump at Jerry Jones ranch. Let the speculation begin. For a while, I was OK with TO coming to Dallas, but now, I'm OUT.

 
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dotman

Footballguy
T.O. so far has ripped on 2 pro bowl QB's. And now he will have Grossman or Orton throwing to him? :lmao: This should be interesting.

 

redman

Footballguy
I think whoever signs TO this time around is going to get a great bargain. His past actions will allow a team to sign him to a 1 or 2 year incentive laden contract that will help keep him in line and keep him motivated to produce.
The response, of course, is that with but little variation, this was exactly what the reasoning (rationalization?) was for Philly two years ago.
 

redman

Footballguy
He would help the Bears in a big big way and he'd do it right now. Would he burn out in 12 months? Probably. But with that defense they could be scary with Owens / Moose / Jones / Benson.

This would be TERRIBLE news for Vikings and Packers fans.

J
Would be burn out in 10 months?Would he burn out in 8 months?

Those things kill a season and leave a team worse off than if they had never signed him.
Exactly. TO was already harrassing McNabb on the sidelines midway through the 2004 season. What was that, six months after signing with them? What happened after the Super Bowl was simply the deal breaker. It's funny because there's not a team in the league that can't make a good argument about NOT signing TO.

The teams on the bottom of the heap wouldn't want him to hurt the confidence of young players trying to get their footing in the NFL as the team rebuilds.

Teams on top don't want him to destroy the unity and focus of the team while it contends for playoff berths and championships.
Pure conjecture. I mean honestly, aside from what you see on TV what do you really know about it? Nothing. Philly had their most dominant year ever with TO while they were "contending" and running away with a playoff birth and conference title.
Conjecture? So I didn't in fact see TO in McNabb's face during the Pittsburgh game in '04 - not coincidentally their first loss of the season - with McNabb clearly trying to calmly walk away? I agree. I don't know anything besides what I see and read. Neither do you.

What we DO know is that TO has alienated two different franchises for the same set of reasons: 1) open and viciously personal criticism of the QB; 2) yearly complaints about his contract; 3) criticism of the coaching staff; 4) his love of publicity first and foremost over any teammate.

The fact that Philly had their "most dominant year ever" with McNabb misses the point, or at least looks at this only like a fantasy footballer would. I'm not talking about stats or fantasy football. I'm talking about a guy who is such a narcissist that he simply can't help but destroy anyone around him, even if he needs those people to be successful.

That's not conjecture. That's fact.
Let me get this straight. Are you really a behavioral psychologist?...or did you just stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night?

:popcorn:
I'm no more of a behavioral psychologist than you were here on the very same subject. :bye:
 

tattoofan

Footballguy
Who gives a damn about the locker room!  The Bears have the defense in place for a Super Bowl run and the need offense asap...
Because signing the #1 WR of 2004 worked wonders for that offense.You still need someone that can throw the ball.
They have someone who can throw the ball, he just happened to play only 10 quarters of football this year
Yeah, that Playoff performance really "wowed" us. ;) 17/41 isn't going to work with TO.
I'm no Rex Grossman fan. I used to get lots of hate mail from Florida fans when I called him Injury Prone his rookie year. I don't get as much now.But Rex Grossman is not 17/41 in that game if Terrell Owens is on the field. He would help the Bears in a big big way and he'd do it right now. Would he burn out in 12 months? Probably. But with that defense they could be scary with Owens / Moose / Jones / Benson.

This would be TERRIBLE news for Vikings and Packers fans.

J
I agree. Do I think TO is a arrogant jerk, yes. But he is the best WR in the game. If he is able to control himself and play a whole year, pencil him in for 1500 yards and 10+ TDs no matter who is QB. TO is a YAC machine, unlike Mushy who seems content to hopefully catch the ball and fall down. I'd take a TO experiment, as this team needs production from the offense.
So the best WR in the game has missed time over the past two seasons due to injury. Yet some on this board say Moss is greatly indecline? Owens is overrated. He will never justify a high price tag, because IMHO he will not produce like he did at his peak. 2nd tier WR at best.

 

Aaron Rudnicki

Keep Walking™
Staff member
I think whoever signs TO this time around is going to get a great bargain. His past actions will allow a team to sign him to a 1 or 2 year incentive laden contract that will help keep him in line and keep him motivated to produce.
The response, of course, is that with but little variation, this was exactly what the reasoning (rationalization?) was for Philly two years ago.
but Philly hadn't happened then. I don't think he's going to do the same thing all over again. It certainly didn't work out the way he thought it would this time.
 

redman

Footballguy
I think whoever signs TO this time around is going to get a great bargain. His past actions will allow a team to sign him to a 1 or 2 year incentive laden contract that will help keep him in line and keep him motivated to produce.
The response, of course, is that with but little variation, this was exactly what the reasoning (rationalization?) was for Philly two years ago.
but Philly hadn't happened then. I don't think he's going to do the same thing all over again. It certainly didn't work out the way he thought it would this time.
Hadn't he done much the same thing in San Francisco? If you want to take the Philly episode into account, fine, but doesn't that mean he's trending downhill given that he was even more outlandish and bizarre in Philly than he had been in SF? Indeed, the fact that Philly was a dominant team with him undercuts some of his SF complaints about him acting out because he was supposedly sick of playing for a bad team. If I thought he had the common sense and humility to learn from his mistakes I might think like you do, but he's shown me the opposite. Everything is someone else's fault. It'll be no different this time, and in fact the ability of this man-child to get another payday as a FA is just going to reinforce (in his mind) that he's on the right track.

 

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