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Terrell Suggs isn't listed as DE anymore on ESPN? (1 Viewer)
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massraider
Footballguy
It's an illegal roster, not sure how they handle it, but he won't be able to stay in that spot.
exactly and this is why espn sucks for early draft leagues. one plans the strategy and then drafts according to whom espn ranks by eligibility and then they bait and switch. of course one knows going in that suggs is really an lb but then don't list him as a dual player.
and also, why aren't they doing this with taylor and orakpo and a multitude of others. they seem to pick and choose. i agree it's not fair and that's the thought process behind yahoo where they figure someone drafted him according to our rankings and it's not fair to pull the rug out from under them.
anyway, i hear/read that the ravens plan to use a 4-3 alot this so his numbers are going to suffer anyway should this be true.
still espn is bogus for pulling such manuveurs. know what you're doing before you rank the players in the first place. very J.V.
and also, why aren't they doing this with taylor and orakpo and a multitude of others. they seem to pick and choose. i agree it's not fair and that's the thought process behind yahoo where they figure someone drafted him according to our rankings and it's not fair to pull the rug out from under them.
anyway, i hear/read that the ravens plan to use a 4-3 alot this so his numbers are going to suffer anyway should this be true.
still espn is bogus for pulling such manuveurs. know what you're doing before you rank the players in the first place. very J.V.
HockeyScotty
Footballguy
Both ESPN and Yahoo they dropped alot of LB/DE hybrids down to just one position.It seems pretty random, so not sure what their methodology was.I disagree with Suggs' production going down with more 4-3 base defense in Baltimore. I think someone referenced that his highest sack totals came during the season they ran more 4-3 base and won the SuperBowl.I would also bump up Trevor Pryce and Ray Lewis if that is what they are doing. Ed Reed might lose some tackles in that situation, but might have more pick opportunities.
johnnyboy8102
Footballguy
Neither is Woodley. I have him in one of my DL spots. If I just leave him there, what would happen?
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
Dumervil is a LB
massraider
Footballguy
OK, I think this has gone far enough.
I play in an ESPN league, and I draft in about two hours. The last few years, I have had players like Suggs and Calvin Pace at DE, along with Ware, and had Thomas Davis at safety, and Madieu Williams at CB.
Those were all wrong. But, the guys I drafted with never wanted to change to MFL, so I took advantage of ESPN's stupid designations. My attitude was, if you are going to play on this amateur site, I will take advantage of it.
But if, at some point, ESPN wised up and changed Davis to LB, where he should be, I really don't have much to complain about, do I?
ESPN can change the designations before the season, it has happened before. Owners should know this, and know that taking a player with LB/DE options can change. Especially if the player in question is NOT a DE.
You wanna get slick and line up Woodley and Suggs at DE this year? AND draft early? Well, that's the chance you take.
And now some of you are in here complaining about the designations being changed (to CORRECT) and wondering what happens if you leave the player at DE. In other words, if you CHEAT, through some software loophole, will you still get points for Suggs at DE?
Gosh, I feel really bad for you. What a dilemma.
I play in an ESPN league, and I draft in about two hours. The last few years, I have had players like Suggs and Calvin Pace at DE, along with Ware, and had Thomas Davis at safety, and Madieu Williams at CB.
Those were all wrong. But, the guys I drafted with never wanted to change to MFL, so I took advantage of ESPN's stupid designations. My attitude was, if you are going to play on this amateur site, I will take advantage of it.
But if, at some point, ESPN wised up and changed Davis to LB, where he should be, I really don't have much to complain about, do I?
ESPN can change the designations before the season, it has happened before. Owners should know this, and know that taking a player with LB/DE options can change. Especially if the player in question is NOT a DE.
You wanna get slick and line up Woodley and Suggs at DE this year? AND draft early? Well, that's the chance you take.
And now some of you are in here complaining about the designations being changed (to CORRECT) and wondering what happens if you leave the player at DE. In other words, if you CHEAT, through some software loophole, will you still get points for Suggs at DE?
Gosh, I feel really bad for you. What a dilemma.
the point is especially for players using espn for the first time is that the proper rankings should be made to begin with, especially in cases like suggs and ware etc who have been doing the same things for years. then there will only be a need for those rare "corrections". those who have been playing on yahoo are used to sites ranking the players where they rank the players and that's the end of it for that season. as far as cheating everybody in the draft sees the same rankings.as far as your pontifications, nobody really cars about when you draft or who you will or did draft and how great and "professional" you are as compared to us amateurs. i know for one that i couldn't care less whether you feel bad or not, or in fact whatever you have to say. talk into the mirror. there'll you find a willing recipient of your self adoring verbage.
massraider
Footballguy
Actually, no, that isn't the point. because other sites change designations. there's a massive list in the IDP forum about all the changes just made. It happens, and people need to be aware. If they just assumed that the players were going to stay where they were in mid-July, then they haven't been paying attention.
Actually, the 'cheating' comes from people wondering if they can keep Suggs at the DE spot, even tho he is NOT a DE. Basically, they are saying, "Hey, I already had him in my lineup as a DE, the ESPN software hasn't removed him, can I just leave him there, CHEAT, and get the points??"
Hit a nerve, did I?Here's a rule, every league I play in has it. The site sets the positions, and that's that.
He's listed as a DE on ESPN
HockeyScotty
Footballguy
Not that I want to get into the muck throwing, but why isn't Terrell Suggs a DE? As far as I can tell there are several TRUE DE/LB bybrids in the NFL, so why can't he be listed as DE. If he plays DE with some regularity, then he should be labeled as such. The Ravens are expecting to play more 4-3 base defense this season, and Suggs would be the DE.
Is it better for a site to "project" where that player will play in the upcoming season, or what he played in the past season? Why not both?
In my ESPN IDP league, if you filter the available players at DE: Suggs and Woodley are there even though it says only LB next to their name. Calvin Pace is labed a DE, but he appeared in the LB list.
Not sure what that means for their actual eligibility on the rosters. Kampman was labeled DE, and ranked in the DE but his "notes" say that he is listed as a linebacker.
Basically, my take is that the true hybrids will gain position eligibility at DE and LB at some point this season. Draft them based on what they are labeled as, with the upside that they should gain additional position later.
Is it better for a site to "project" where that player will play in the upcoming season, or what he played in the past season? Why not both?
In my ESPN IDP league, if you filter the available players at DE: Suggs and Woodley are there even though it says only LB next to their name. Calvin Pace is labed a DE, but he appeared in the LB list.
Not sure what that means for their actual eligibility on the rosters. Kampman was labeled DE, and ranked in the DE but his "notes" say that he is listed as a linebacker.
Basically, my take is that the true hybrids will gain position eligibility at DE and LB at some point this season. Draft them based on what they are labeled as, with the upside that they should gain additional position later.
I emailed ESPN asking this exact question because I have Suggs and Woodley and here was their reply
actually i did this and the only position eligibility for suggs is lb.
Oh man, you have Woodley as DL???? I wish MFL would do the same....
HockeyScotty
Footballguy
Woodley, Suggs, and Pace all are listed as DE/LB now in my ESPN league.
So now stop worrying about his position eligibility, and instead the heel injury that has kept him out of practice until yesterday.
So now stop worrying about his position eligibility, and instead the heel injury that has kept him out of practice until yesterday.
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check again. on ESPN they have restored the DE next to their name showing them as DE, LB.actually i did this and the only position eligibility for suggs is lb.
massraider
Footballguy
Yeah, that has literally changed in teh last two days. Day before my draft, Suggs was a LB. After I passed on him, and he was taken early, I see DE, LB. God, ESPN sucks.check again. on ESPN they have restored the DE next to their name showing them as DE, LB.actually i did this and the only position eligibility for suggs is lb.
Gosh, I feel really bad for you. What a dilemma.
massraider
Footballguy
What dilemma?
As commissioner, I take pains every year to point out that you take your own life in your hands when you draft such players. I'm not going to stop someone from drafting such a player at DL if he's listed there (I have no desire to get into judging every position listing on our service--I've done that in the past and it's a royal pain). You can take them if you want to, but you aren't allowed to cry if they get moved!
P.S. I drafted Suggs as a DL this year (2nd overall DL taken in our draft) and our service just changed him to LB. C'est la guerre. I have no one to blame but myself.
P.S. I drafted Suggs as a DL this year (2nd overall DL taken in our draft) and our service just changed him to LB. C'est la guerre. I have no one to blame but myself.
massraider
Footballguy
Yeah, if you look at their numbers from last year, Suggs goes from maybe #1 DE (In our league) to a good LB2. Obviously, it depends on the scoring, but if you look at how few top DEs there are, being able to put a Calvin Pace or Suggs at DE is a massive advantage.Knobs said:
massraider
Footballguy
You can still take advantage of it, my backup DEs are Bryan Thomas and Anthony Spencer. It's just different players.
Also:
Tyvon Branch--CB
Jermaine Phillips--S
Brian Williams--CB--if he goes to S, a nice value.
Also:
Tyvon Branch--CB
Jermaine Phillips--S
Brian Williams--CB--if he goes to S, a nice value.
