Terrelle Pryor (2 Viewers)

[Raiderfan32904]

Terrific move by the Seachickens. Raiders will rue this day.

Disagree. This move was brilliant. A draft pick just fell out of the sky and Reggie picked it up off the floor like a shiny quarter.

False. Apparently there was a market and it was squandered by a front office that leaks every detail of their personal affairs like it is Guiding Light. You lost value by setting a deadline and teams knew he would be cut. I also think you guys underestimate the worth of an athlete because he was not a good QB. I understand why the Raiders and Pryor had to part but the chances of Pryor having an impact are much greater that the lowest of low 7th round picks. And like someone else stated if they would have let him play out his contract the compensatory pick may have been the same or higher value.

LOL @ Pryor giving us a comp pick. You know how comp picks work right? You honestly think he's some marquee day one free agent after his rookie deal ends? No NFL GM's think so. In fact his QB career is hanging on life support. His only real value is to convince him to concede to a position switch. He wasn't going to do that for the Raiders, but perhaps he will for a contender like Seattle. Raiders didn't let the cat of the bag here. Pryor was vocal about wanting out, and the voluntary workouts for the Raiders begin today. Something had to give. It wasn't some sort of "Guiding Light" secret. Reggie has been shopping Pryor for months. This has been out in the open for some time now. You seem to imply the Raiders are a bunch of rubes who can't keep a secret. And lets ignore he's been openly shopping him all the while. Only the Raiders get criticized like that. Because...."it's the Raiders!" duh!

 

[Raiderfan32904]

question, if they kept him and let him play out the contract, what would of been the comp pick for letting him walk away? Surely better than a 7th?

Possibly better than a 7th...but also that pick wouldn't come til next year. THis one gives them "something" now.

Comp pick for Pyror?

 

[Bronco Billy]

Wow. Some really odd posts here.

SEA saw better value in trading for Pryor than in their own last pick at the end of the draft (except for supplementals). That seems reasonable for a team with a very well stocked cupboard. A roll of the dice by Carroll & company - remember fat Mike Williams? Probably won't work but what the hey? Rehab project that's easy to cut. That's right in Carroll 's wheelhouse.

That SEA's offer was better than SF's? If SF was offering a future 7th rounder or a swap of 7th rounders or the pick was conditional that makes perfect sense.

That OAK got anything tangible is very good for them. It's been widely public news for a few months now that Pryor was going to be cut. Only a team like SEA with the lower waiver priority would offer anything for him if they thought he was worth spending some developmental time on.

And as far as I know, T Jax has some guaranteed money in his contract so he likely isn 't going anywhere and will likely remain SEA's QB2 unless Pryor really steps up his game.

The whole thing looks completely logical and reasonable from all sides.

 

[Hooper31]

And as far as I know, T Jax has some guaranteed money in his contract so he likely isn 't going anywhere and will likely remain SEA's QB2 unless Pryor really steps up his game.

If we've learned anything up here in Seattle its that Carroll and Schneider are very willing to bench money in order to put a better player on the field.

 

[Zaphod]

Wow. Some really odd posts here.

SEA saw better value in trading for Pryor than in their own last pick at the end of the draft (except for supplementals). That seems reasonable for a team with a very well stocked cupboard. A roll of the dice by Carroll & company - remember fat Mike Williams? Probably won't work but what the hey? Rehab project that's easy to cut. That's right in Carroll 's wheelhouse.

That SEA's offer was better than SF's? If SF was offering a future 7th rounder or a swap of 7th rounders or the pick was conditional that makes perfect sense.

That OAK got anything tangible is very good for them. It's been widely public news for a few months now that Pryor was going to be cut. Only a team like SEA with the lower waiver priority would offer anything for him if they thought he was worth spending some developmental time on.

And as far as I know, T Jax has some guaranteed money in his contract so he likely isn 't going anywhere and will likely remain SEA's QB2 unless Pryor really steps up his game.

The whole thing looks completely logical and reasonable from all sides.

What are you suggesting here? That this worked out to the benefit of all sides? That isn't an option on these boards. Pick a side, bash the other, refuse to listen to any cognitive discussions, trash rationale perspectives...

Become a "hater" or a "fanboy", your choice, but don't suggest this lunacy.

 

[MAC_32]

Terrific move by the Seachickens. Raiders will rue this day.

Disagree. This move was brilliant. A draft pick just fell out of the sky and Reggie picked it up off the floor like a shiny quarter.

Because Reggie has done so much with his draft picks.

 

[LawFitz]

Terrific move by the Seachickens. Raiders will rue this day.

Disagree. This move was brilliant. A draft pick just fell out of the sky and Reggie picked it up off the floor like a shiny quarter.

More like a scuffed and dirty penny. When was the last time Mr. Irrelevant became relevant?

The Raiders had a legit talent on their hands and gave him away for a bag of soggy fries. Watch now as a real coach and GM get the most out of Pryor's talents, at QB and elsewhere.

Pretty effing sad when a team as devoid of young talent as the Raiders loses the three young players that arguably flashed the most talent and potential on the entire roster (Pryor, Veldheer, Houston). It's beyond sad, actually. It's downright infuriating.

 

[lod01]

Terrific move by the Seachickens. Raiders will rue this day.

Disagree. This move was brilliant. A draft pick just fell out of the sky and Reggie picked it up off the floor like a shiny quarter.

and dumped a turd in the process.

 

[lod01]

‏@ProFootballTalk

Raiders trade Terrelle Pryor to the Seahawks, per league source.

LOL. What a bunch of saps. A ham sandwich is overpaying.

a joke franchise trades a player to the defending Super Bowl champs and they are the saps?I really read that?

You really wrote that?

Yeah I did. Anyone with any football knowledge at all knows that A. Pryor is garbage and B. they were going to cut him if they could find a sap to take the bum off their hands.

 

[lod01]

lod01 is a bottom of the barrel poster. Pryor is a great fit in SEA. No pressure, winning culture, strong leadership. He needs time to learn the pro game.

Apparently you have never seen this clown play. Otherwise you would have a different opinion.

Talk about a bottomfeeder. Everyone else is at a minimum, standing on your head.

 

[lod01]

If two of the best franschises in the league were trying to get him, even for a 7th rounder, then we should probably re-evaluate his value as a dynasty flyer.

No we really shouldn't.

 

[MAC_32]

‏@ProFootballTalk

Raiders trade Terrelle Pryor to the Seahawks, per league source.

LOL. What a bunch of saps. A ham sandwich is overpaying.

a joke franchise trades a player to the defending Super Bowl champs and they are the saps?I really read that?

You really wrote that?

Yeah I did. Anyone with any football knowledge at all knows that A. Pryor is garbage and B. they were going to cut him if they could find a sap to take the bum off their hands.

Yep, the Seahawks are sunk because they traded pick #267

OHMYGOD

 

[mr roboto]

lod01 is a bottom of the barrel poster. Pryor is a great fit in SEA. No pressure, winning culture, strong leadership. He needs time to learn the pro game.

Apparently you have never seen this clown play. Otherwise you would have a different opinion.Talk about a bottomfeeder. Everyone else is at a minimum, standing on your head.

I have seen him play. He's not very good. But if SF and SEA were both interested as a project, I'm going to trust their judgment over yours. Sorry.

 

[lod01]

This guy could be the black Tim Tebow. He's that awful. Drop back, primary is covered, run. 2nd down and 8. drop back, primary is covered, run. 3rd and 5. drop back throw a horrible pass to primary, punt. Wash, rinse, repeat.

Anyone who thinks this guy is anything even close to an NFL QB has no ability to evaluate. Thinking that just because a team won the SB, that they are all knowing is laughable.

 

[lod01]

lod01 is a bottom of the barrel poster. Pryor is a great fit in SEA. No pressure, winning culture, strong leadership. He needs time to learn the pro game.

Apparently you have never seen this clown play. Otherwise you would have a different opinion.Talk about a bottomfeeder. Everyone else is at a minimum, standing on your head.

I have seen him play. He's not very good. But if SF and SEA were both interested as a project, I'm going to trust their judgment over yours. Sorry.

Go ahead, you will find that I am right and they were wrong. Once again, lets just look at Tebow. Teams thought he was something even after he showed he had no clue. These guys in the NFL didn't get some PHD in talent evaluation from Harvard.

 

[sho nuff]

question, if they kept him and let him play out the contract, what would of been the comp pick for letting him walk away? Surely better than a 7th?

Possibly better than a 7th...but also that pick wouldn't come til next year. THis one gives them "something" now.

Comp pick for Pyror?

Was just giving in to his possibility. Its not probable at all. But possible.

And in the end...a 7th this year is better than a 6th next.

 

[mr roboto]

lod01 is a bottom of the barrel poster. Pryor is a great fit in SEA. No pressure, winning culture, strong leadership. He needs time to learn the pro game.

Apparently you have never seen this clown play. Otherwise you would have a different opinion.Talk about a bottomfeeder. Everyone else is at a minimum, standing on your head.

I have seen him play. He's not very good. But if SF and SEA were both interested as a project, I'm going to trust their judgment over yours. Sorry.

Go ahead, you will find that I am right and they were wrong.

Wrong about what? That he's worth a flier at this point? A 7th round pick is nothing. They've risked nothing.

 

[lod01]

lod01 is a bottom of the barrel poster. Pryor is a great fit in SEA. No pressure, winning culture, strong leadership. He needs time to learn the pro game.

Apparently you have never seen this clown play. Otherwise you would have a different opinion.Talk about a bottomfeeder. Everyone else is at a minimum, standing on your head.

I have seen him play. He's not very good. But if SF and SEA were both interested as a project, I'm going to trust their judgment over yours. Sorry.

Go ahead, you will find that I am right and they were wrong.

Wrong about what? That he's worth a flier at this point? A 7th round pick is nothing. They've risked nothing.

Wrong about their judgment on Pryor. they will now waste time and energy on this loser instead of trying to groom a real QB as a backup.

 

[mr roboto]

lod01 is a bottom of the barrel poster. Pryor is a great fit in SEA. No pressure, winning culture, strong leadership. He needs time to learn the pro game.

Apparently you have never seen this clown play. Otherwise you would have a different opinion.Talk about a bottomfeeder. Everyone else is at a minimum, standing on your head.

I have seen him play. He's not very good. But if SF and SEA were both interested as a project, I'm going to trust their judgment over yours. Sorry.

Go ahead, you will find that I am right and they were wrong.

Wrong about what? That he's worth a flier at this point? A 7th round pick is nothing. They've risked nothing.

Wrong about their judgment on Pryor. they will now waste time and energy on this loser instead of trying to groom a real QB as a backup.

Fair enough. If they think he's their #2 and not just a project it's kind of a risk I suppose. But if you lose your starter you aren't winning the SB anyway most likely.

 

[MAC_32]

He showed promise last season until he got a big head and reverted back to his old bad habits. I think that trend will continue, but if anywhere is going to get him to flip the light switch on it would be a place like Seattle.

 

[Nucker101]

Terrific move by the Seachickens. Raiders will rue this day.

Disagree. This move was brilliant. A draft pick just fell out of the sky and Reggie picked it up off the floor like a shiny quarter.

This.

 

[MAC_32]

The same player as Pryor is going to get drafted on day two next month, so the 'Seattle is dumb' camp better come up with some creative adjectives for whoever picks Logan Thomas and Tom Savage.

TIA

 

[Raiderfan32904]

The same player as Pryor is going to get drafted on day two next month, so the 'Seattle is dumb' camp better come up with some creative adjectives for whoever picks Logan Thomas and Tom Savage.

TIA

Both of these player comps still have more upside at the QB position than Pryor. HTH

 

[MAC_32]

The same player as Pryor is going to get drafted on day two next month, so the 'Seattle is dumb' camp better come up with some creative adjectives for whoever picks Logan Thomas and Tom Savage.

TIA

Both of these player comps still have more upside at the QB position than Pryor. HTH

Savage is a different tale because his skill set is so much different than Pryor's. He's closest to Weeden, so whether that's worse or not I don't know, but I do know it's a failure.

Logan Thomas though? Same player.

FWIW, I think taking them day two would be just as dumb as Al taking Pryor with the equivalent to a day two pick, but if you're going to take Oakland's side here and still get behind Thomas and Savage day two I think you're nuts.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

The same player as Pryor is going to get drafted on day two next month, so the 'Seattle is dumb' camp better come up with some creative adjectives for whoever picks Logan Thomas and Tom Savage.

TIA

Both of these player comps still have more upside at the QB position than Pryor. HTH

Savage is a different tale because his skill set is so much different than Pryor's. He's closest to Weeden, so whether that's worse or not I don't know, but I do know it's a failure.

Logan Thomas though? Same player.

FWIW, I think taking them day two would be just as dumb as Al taking Pryor with the equivalent to a day two pick, but if you're going to take Oakland's side here and still get behind Thomas and Savage day two I think you're nuts.

Don't put words in my mouth. Never said anything about endorsing Logan Thomas or Savage as day two picks. What I did say is that Pryor doesn't have their upside at the QB position.

 

[Vector]

Terrific move by the Seachickens. Raiders will rue this day.

Disagree. This move was brilliant. A draft pick just fell out of the sky and Reggie picked it up off the floor like a shiny quarter.

More like a scuffed and dirty penny. When was the last time Mr. Irrelevant became relevant?

The Raiders had a legit talent on their hands and gave him away for a bag of soggy fries. Watch now as a real coach and GM get the most out of Pryor's talents, at QB and elsewhere.

Pretty effing sad when a team as devoid of young talent as the Raiders loses the three young players that arguably flashed the most talent and potential on the entire roster (Pryor, Veldheer, Houston). It's beyond sad, actually. It's downright infuriating.

2009 (256) Kansas City Chiefs

Ryan Succop, K South Carolina

 

[SwampDawg]

No big loss for the Seahawks and the Raiders got something for Tebow light who will be out of football in a season or two.

 

[Hooper31]

Wow. Some really odd posts here.

SEA saw better value in trading for Pryor than in their own last pick at the end of the draft (except for supplementals). That seems reasonable for a team with a very well stocked cupboard. A roll of the dice by Carroll & company - remember fat Mike Williams? Probably won't work but what the hey? Rehab project that's easy to cut. That's right in Carroll 's wheelhouse.

That SEA's offer was better than SF's? If SF was offering a future 7th rounder or a swap of 7th rounders or the pick was conditional that makes perfect sense.

That OAK got anything tangible is very good for them. It's been widely public news for a few months now that Pryor was going to be cut. Only a team like SEA with the lower waiver priority would offer anything for him if they thought he was worth spending some developmental time on.

And as far as I know, T Jax has some guaranteed money in his contract so he likely isn 't going anywhere and will likely remain SEA's QB2 unless Pryor really steps up his game.

The whole thing looks completely logical and reasonable from all sides.

What are you suggesting here? That this worked out to the benefit of all sides? That isn't an option on these boards. Pick a side, bash the other, refuse to listen to any cognitive discussions, trash rationale perspectives...

Become a "hater" or a "fanboy", your choice, but don't suggest this lunacy.

Not a . This is a great ####### post.

 

[DocHolliday]

No big loss for the Seahawks and the Raiders got something for Tebow light who will be out of football in a season or two.

This is correct.

The Raiders cannot try to build a team around such a big question mark. The Seahawks have a great QB and can roll the dice. It is really a great example of where both teams are right now. The Raiders are at the bottom and have to make sensible moves in order to get to the playoffs. The Seahawks are at the top and have to reload or come at teams with a few new wrinkles. Pryor could be a wrinkle. He is not a QB.

 

[DepthCharts]

my initial thoughts on the trade are this acquisition has nothing to do with Pryor seeing the field as a Seahawk, ever. I think this is the question that was answered with the trade:

What is the ONE team in the NFL who could use a backup QB who can run for 100+ yards but never/rarely throw for 200 yards and really not miss much of a beat in their offensive system........

S.F. 49ers

the move makes perfect sense.

 

[MAC_32]

The same player as Pryor is going to get drafted on day two next month, so the 'Seattle is dumb' camp better come up with some creative adjectives for whoever picks Logan Thomas and Tom Savage.

TIA

Both of these player comps still have more upside at the QB position than Pryor. HTH

Savage is a different tale because his skill set is so much different than Pryor's. He's closest to Weeden, so whether that's worse or not I don't know, but I do know it's a failure.

Logan Thomas though? Same player.

FWIW, I think taking them day two would be just as dumb as Al taking Pryor with the equivalent to a day two pick, but if you're going to take Oakland's side here and still get behind Thomas and Savage day two I think you're nuts.

Don't put words in my mouth. Never said anything about endorsing Logan Thomas or Savage as day two picks. What I did say is that Pryor doesn't have their upside at the QB position.

Pryor's upside = Thomas' upside.

Both have all the physical tools and absolutely nothing else.

 

[ShaHBucks]

Are they trying him at WR?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

my initial thoughts on the trade are this acquisition has nothing to do with Pryor seeing the field as a Seahawk, ever. I think this is the question that was answered with the trade:

What is the ONE team in the NFL who could use a backup QB who can run for 100+ yards but never/rarely throw for 200 yards and really not miss much of a beat in their offensive system........

S.F. 49ers

the move makes perfect sense.

You know the 9ers are rather oddly hungry for QB projects these days, aren't they.

 

[massraider]

. And like someone else stated if they would have let him play out his contract the compensatory pick may have been the same or higher value.

Someone else stated something silly, then.

 

[BeauWa]

I've just inherited Terrelle Pryor in a new dynasty in which I took over a team. I have Aaron Rogers & Jay Cutler as my other QB's. So does anyone think I should hold on to Pryor just in case Seattle convinces him to switch positions?

 

[mr roboto]

I've just inherited Terrelle Pryor in a new dynasty in which I took over a team. I have Aaron Rogers & Jay Cutler as my other QB's. So does anyone think I should hold on to Pryor just in case Seattle convinces him to switch positions?

See if the Wilson owner has any interest at all.

 

[TwinTurbo]

Pryor seems like a great fit for the Hawks for a backup/3rd QB. He's young with some upside and his contract is cheap. The reality is most backup QBs suck (see Tavaris Jackson) and most teams are screwed if their starter goes down. Some teams don't even have a legit QB1. So it really doesn't make sense to invest a ton of money in a backup QB from a salary cap standpoint, especially if you are a contender.

 

[ffgiant]

I don't think Terrelle Pryor will ever be a starting NFL QB, but he can contribute in some other way. He got a good chance making Seahawk's final roster.

 

[squistion]

. And like someone else stated if they would have let him play out his contract the compensatory pick may have been the same or higher value.

Pryor is, IMHO a dynasty watch, not a hold.

Kids, I think that is the Cliff Notes version of whatever point Gordon was trying to make.

 

[Bri]

Pryor seems like a great fit for the Hawks for a backup/3rd QB. He's young with some upside and his contract is cheap. The reality is most backup QBs suck (see Tavaris Jackson) and most teams are screwed if their starter goes down. Some teams don't even have a legit QB1. So it really doesn't make sense to invest a ton of money in a backup QB from a salary cap standpoint, especially if you are a contender.

Did you mean does make sense?

 

[Bri]

Not on our rival always has some hidden value in sports. Even with the small cost, the Hawks already received a reward.

I'm of the opinion that a "hot" coach can do no wrong...until he's not. If Pete wants him, let's see how it works out.

He's an extremely curious player. In such a short time, I've watched many people here completely change their opinion of this guy.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Terrific move by the Seachickens. Raiders will rue this day.

Disagree. This move was brilliant. A draft pick just fell out of the sky and Reggie picked it up off the floor like a shiny quarter.

More like a scuffed and dirty penny. When was the last time Mr. Irrelevant became relevant?

The Raiders had a legit talent on their hands and gave him away for a bag of soggy fries. Watch now as a real coach and GM get the most out of Pryor's talents, at QB and elsewhere.

Pretty effing sad when a team as devoid of young talent as the Raiders loses the three young players that arguably flashed the most talent and potential on the entire roster (Pryor, Veldheer, Houston). It's beyond sad, actually. It's downright infuriating.

2009 (256) Kansas City Chiefs

Ryan Succop, K South Carolina

"OH YEAH!!!"

 

[TwinTurbo]

Pryor seems like a great fit for the Hawks for a backup/3rd QB. He's young with some upside and his contract is cheap. The reality is most backup QBs suck (see Tavaris Jackson) and most teams are screwed if their starter goes down. Some teams don't even have a legit QB1. So it really doesn't make sense to invest a ton of money in a backup QB from a salary cap standpoint, especially if you are a contender.

Did you mean does make sense?

It does not make sense to pay Tarvaris Jackson $1.25 million this season when Pryor only costs $700k. Russell will actually be paid less than both in 2014 on his rookie deal.

In general, I think it is not a good investment to tie up an above average salary for a backup QB, unless your QB1 is a fringe starter. Looking across the board at all teams, it seems the sweet spot would be $500k - $800k for the backup QB. And if you have a guy that costs more, chances are he's no better or worse than the cheaper group. Look at Kyle Orton. He's one of the highest paid backups in the league and it did Dallas no good last year when they needed him most. I think Matt Moore is the highest paid backup QB in the league at $4M per year. No thanks.

 

[KellysHeroes]

question, if they kept him and let him play out the contract, what would of been the comp pick for letting him walk away? Surely better than a 7th?

Possibly better than a 7th...but also that pick wouldn't come til next year. THis one gives them "something" now.

Comp pick for Pyror?

Was just giving in to his possibility. Its not probable at all. But possible.

And in the end...a 7th this year is better than a 6th next.

a 3rd round pick playing out his contract, yeah it was possible to get an extra pick out of that.

 

[seahawk 17]

my initial thoughts on the trade are this acquisition has nothing to do with Pryor seeing the field as a Seahawk, ever. I think this is the question that was answered with the trade:

What is the ONE team in the NFL who could use a backup QB who can run for 100+ yards but never/rarely throw for 200 yards and really not miss much of a beat in their offensive system........

S.F. 49ers

the move makes perfect sense.

Kap definitely has a tendency to have a huge amount of rush yards against the Hawk def. Pryor could run the scout team in order for Sea to better prepare. In addition, if Kap goes down they are still stuck with Gabbert. It's a solid theory.

 

[RaiderBones]

Terrific move by the Seachickens. Raiders will rue this day.

Disagree. This move was brilliant. A draft pick just fell out of the sky and Reggie picked it up off the floor like a shiny quarter.

More like a scuffed and dirty penny. When was the last time Mr. Irrelevant became relevant?

The Raiders had a legit talent on their hands and gave him away for a bag of soggy fries. Watch now as a real coach and GM get the most out of Pryor's talents, at QB and elsewhere.

Pretty effing sad when a team as devoid of young talent as the Raiders loses the three young players that arguably flashed the most talent and potential on the entire roster (Pryor, Veldheer, Houston). It's beyond sad, actually. It's downright infuriating.

I give you Veldheer and Houston that sucked but Pryor that I have to.

 

[RaiderBones]

This guy could be the black Tim Tebow. He's that awful. Drop back, primary is covered , run and sacked. 2nd down and 15 8. drop back, primary is covered, run and sacked again. 3rd and 20 5. drop back throw a horrible pass, interception to primary, punt. Wash, rinse, repeat.

Anyone who thinks this guy is anything even close to an NFL QB has no ability to evaluate. Thinking that just because a team won the SB, that they are all knowing is laughable.

Fixed.

 

[ShaHBucks]

Pryor seems like a great fit for the Hawks for a backup/3rd QB. He's young with some upside and his contract is cheap. The reality is most backup QBs suck (see Tavaris Jackson) and most teams are screwed if their starter goes down. Some teams don't even have a legit QB1. So it really doesn't make sense to invest a ton of money in a backup QB from a salary cap standpoint, especially if you are a contender.

Did you mean does make sense?

It does not make sense to pay Tarvaris Jackson $1.25 million this season when Pryor only costs $700k. Russell will actually be paid less than both in 2014 on his rookie deal.

In general, I think it is not a good investment to tie up an above average salary for a backup QB, unless your QB1 is a fringe starter. Looking across the board at all teams, it seems the sweet spot would be $500k - $800k for the backup QB. And if you have a guy that costs more, chances are he's no better or worse than the cheaper group. Look at Kyle Orton. He's one of the highest paid backups in the league and it did Dallas no good last year when they needed him most. I think Matt Moore is the highest paid backup QB in the league at $4M per year. No thanks.

Huh? This was arguably the only thing Jerry did right last year. Any Eagles fan will tell you this.

 

[Shawn]

Am I the only one that thinks it's unlikely Pryor makes the team?

if he doesn't make the team I will be sad. Such an athletic guy. There has to be some use for him...

 

[B-Deep]

I think this trade has gotten way too much coverage

pretty much a throw away deal, who cares