Texans at Lions (1 Viewer)

[Cookiemonster]

Even 15 yards is too stiff for the invalid challenge. 5 yards for delay of game.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

I guess its ok for them to hit a sliding Stafford in the head.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Wayne State repping

 

[Loan Sharks]

Here's an idea.

If you're a coach and one of your players scores an important TD, but you're worried it might be overturned on review? Throw the challenge flag. A 15 yard penalty in exchange for making it a non-reviewable play is a great trade.

XPlays are still reviewed. It's just that the team that made the challenge can't benefit from the review. (The other team still can.)

I like the rule. Don't throw the flag. Throwing the flag on a play that was going to be reviewed anyway does nothing but show up the refs. So don't throw it.

I couldn't agree more, your rational about showing up the refs is on point. I also think we should start assessing penalties when a coach calls a time out when when the refs have already stopped the clock for an injury, end of quarter or the other team has already called a time out. Just so these uppity coaches to show up the refs. As a matter of fact, if you try to call timeout when the clock has expired to change ends of field not only should you not get the automatic clock stop they should also speed up time to punish you for over lapping the refs efforts.

 

[CrazyFox]

What happened to the Texans Defense?

 

[Beerguzzler]

No Leshore TD sigh.....

 

[massraider]

WOW...REFs should be fired over this one.

Jim Schwartz too for not knowing the rule.

Schwartz knew the rule. (He immediately took the blame, pointing to himself and saying "my fault, that's on me" several times.)He just thew the flag to "be a man" and let the refs know that he's not going to stand for their error, and he didn't think about the rule in the heat of the moment.

Exactly. Threw the flag in a macho display. Like to think your coach is a bit more cerebral than that.

 

[gradin123]

Houston defense is vastly overrated. They badly miss Cushing. This team is going nowhere.

 

[Beerguzzler]

What happened to the Texans Defense?

Yea killin me for starting them. They have fallen off a cliff.

 

[mad sweeney]

Thats idiotic. What benefit to you gain from a review that was going to be reviewed anyway? That being said, how do you not know that every TD will be reviewed automatically? AND if you're the guy in charge of the flag how do you not know that throwing it illegally will cost you a review? Idiot.

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!Couldn't happen to a better guy! This is the same ######## who was shouting "Know the rules!" across the field at Harbaugh last year.

Was he really screaming that? Lol too funny.

Hey, Schwartz, don't sit there shaking your head like you can't believe how these refs are screwing you. You Effed up.It's a bad rule. But there was no reason why he should have thrown that flag.

He was walking up and down the sideline right afterwards tapping his chest and saying "my fault" quite a bit. He knew what had happened and that he'd screwed up.

 

[renesauz]

I came into this game routing for the Texans. After watching two of the worst calls of the year go against the Lions, I really hope Detroit can take the W here.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

WOW...REFs should be fired over this one.

Jim Schwartz too for not knowing the rule.

Schwartz knew the rule. (He immediately took the blame, pointing to himself and saying "my fault, that's on me" several times.)He just thew the flag to "be a man" and let the refs know that he's not going to stand for their error, and he didn't think about the rule in the heat of the moment.

Should have thrown his clipboard, Gatorade cooler or 3rd-string QB in hindsight.

 

[gradin123]

What happened to the Texans Defense?

Not the same without Cushing. They had that one good week vs Baltimore without him but otherwise they have been below average since he has been out.

 

[mbuehner]

WOW...REFs should be fired over this one.

Jim Schwartz too for not knowing the rule.

Schwartz knew the rule. (He immediately took the blame, pointing to himself and saying "my fault, that's on me" several times.)He just thew the flag to "be a man" and let the refs know that he's not going to stand for their error, and he didn't think about the rule in the heat of the moment.

Exactly. Threw the flag in a macho display. Like to think your coach is a bit more cerebral than that.

True, but who cares? Do we want the game decided on the field, or do we want to make sure the coaches dont get away with outbursts? Throw him out of the game if you want, but don't change the results on the field that dramatically.

 

[CrazyFox]

What happened to the Texans Defense?

Yea killin me for starting them. They have fallen off a cliff.

They look awful on some of these plays....on that last play there was a hole so big you could drive a truck through it.

 

[renesauz]

I guess its ok for them to hit a sliding Stafford in the head.

Defender had completely stopped his own momentum and Staffords slide brought him into the defender. Their helmets barely even touched. Would have been (almost) as bad a call as the TD fiasco.

 

[ffldrew]

TD's from Forsett and Bell - gotta love fantasy football on days like today when you are at the family get together with the idiot Brother in law who is playing one of those guys and you have either Foster and Leshoure

 

[dgreen]

The more I think about it, the more I like the rule.

We don't want coaches throwing flags every time they want a TD or turnover reviewed. They'll just throw the flag to slow things down so they can yell at the refs and hope the extra time convinces the replay booth to challenge the call.

 

[gsmayes]

See, this is why Kevin Smith hardly sees the field, fanboys.

 

[trader jake]

How many Foster owners are in here crying about his lack of carries?

The guy can't touch the ball 30 times EVERY SINGLE GAME or he'll look like Michael Turner when the postseason rolls around.

He has 60 yards and a TD starting the 4th, calm down.

 

[Eradicator]

No Leshore TD sigh.....

Yeah, awesome. I played Leshore because Bell basically didn't play last week; thought Leshore would be safe. Back to the 'closer' role....sigh x 2

 

[mbuehner]

The more I think about it, the more I like the rule.We don't want coaches throwing flags every time they want a TD or turnover reviewed. They'll just throw the flag to slow things down so they can yell at the refs and hope the extra time convinces the replay booth to challenge the call.

By that logic why not just make it a forfeit. That would be a great incentive not to throw the flag. Is this issue REALLY so important that we are willing to essentially award points over it? A coach could run off the sideline and tackle a player headed for the endzone and the penalty wouldn't be 7 free points.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

A coach could run off the sideline and tackle a player headed for the endzone and the penalty wouldn't be 7 free points.

Yes it would.

 

[jon_mx]

WOW...REFs should be fired over this one.

Jim Schwartz too for not knowing the rule.

Schwartz knew the rule. (He immediately took the blame, pointing to himself and saying "my fault, that's on me" several times.)He just thew the flag to "be a man" and let the refs know that he's not going to stand for their error, and he didn't think about the rule in the heat of the moment.

I think he knew it was a penalty when he pointed to himself. I am not sure if he knew he made the play in reviewable. First te I have seen the rule applied.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

How many Foster owners are in here crying about his lack of carries? The guy can't touch the ball 30 times EVERY SINGLE GAME or he'll look like Michael Turner when the postseason rolls around.He has 60 yards and a TD starting the 4th, calm down.

When Foster has 11 carries and there is 12 minutes left, I'd say the play calling is pretty bad...especially since the Texans have 10 days off after this game.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

WOW...REFs should be fired over this one.

Jim Schwartz too for not knowing the rule.

Schwartz knew the rule. (He immediately took the blame, pointing to himself and saying "my fault, that's on me" several times.)He just thew the flag to "be a man" and let the refs know that he's not going to stand for their error, and he didn't think about the rule in the heat of the moment.

I think he knew it was a penalty when he pointed to himself. I am not sure if he knew he made the play in reviewable. First te I have seen the rule applied.

That was my take also when it happened.

 

[zandbak]

Why let a coach's bad decision stop you from doing your job and getting a call correct?

 

[massraider]

WOW...REFs should be fired over this one.

Jim Schwartz too for not knowing the rule.

Schwartz knew the rule. (He immediately took the blame, pointing to himself and saying "my fault, that's on me" several times.)He just thew the flag to "be a man" and let the refs know that he's not going to stand for their error, and he didn't think about the rule in the heat of the moment.

Exactly. Threw the flag in a macho display. Like to think your coach is a bit more cerebral than that.

True, but who cares? Do we want the game decided on the field, or do we want to make sure the coaches dont get away with outbursts? Throw him out of the game if you want, but don't change the results on the field that dramatically.

I agree with you as well. The game shouldn't be decided like that. But the rule is the rule. Everyone and their mother knows all TDs are reviewable, the coach should be over on the sideline saying, 'take it easy everyone, this one goes to the booth....'Yes, awful rule. And I hope they change it. But these are two different things. The rule is indefensible. And Schwartz' actions are indefensible. 'Heat of the moment'? Keep your cool. Maybe I am just not a Scwartz guy. His teams look undisciplined. I am a Raiders fan, I know what that looks like.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

No Leshore TD sigh.....

Yeah, awesome. I played Leshore because Bell basically didn't play last week; thought Leshore would be safe. Back to the 'closer' role....sigh x 2

I started Leshoure in one league and I am overjoyed that he has done anything at all against the Texans.

 

[dgreen]

A coach could run off the sideline and tackle a player headed for the endzone and the penalty wouldn't be 7 free points.

Yes it would.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

WOW...REFs should be fired over this one.

Jim Schwartz too for not knowing the rule.

Schwartz knew the rule. (He immediately took the blame, pointing to himself and saying "my fault, that's on me" several times.)He just thew the flag to "be a man" and let the refs know that he's not going to stand for their error, and he didn't think about the rule in the heat of the moment.

I think he knew it was a penalty when he pointed to himself. I am not sure if he knew he made the play in reviewable. First te I have seen the rule applied.

It was during the crowd's collective astonishment that the play was not reviewable because the flag was thrown. That's what he was saying "may fault" about. And he didn't look surprised or upset. He just looked like he knew he messed up.

 

[mad sweeney]

I'd love it if J Force got the Iron Man Trophy!!!

 

[mbuehner]

A coach could run off the sideline and tackle a player headed for the endzone and the penalty wouldn't be 7 free points.

Yes it would.

How so?

 

[Anthony Borbely]

Face facts...the rule is BS. The object should ALWAYS be to get the call right.

 

[renesauz]

A penalty makes sense. I understand and agree with the logic of a penalty. A 15 yard penalty is excessive in and of itself though, because the act is really just a simple "delay of game" type infraction. But to nullify the review as well is beyond stupid...it essentially becomes a double penalty....totaling over 70 yards in this case. The punishment does not even remotely fit the crime.

 

[BigDave]

Why did they abandon AJ in the 2nd half?

80 yards in the first and 7 in the 2nd so far

Keeps defenses like Detroit guessing and opens up the middle for play action WTF?

 

[letter_j]

A coach could run off the sideline and tackle a player headed for the endzone and the penalty wouldn't be 7 free points.

Yes it would.

http://quirkyresearch.blogspot.ca/2009/12/blogging-nfl-rule-book-palpably-unfair.html

 

[BobbyLayne]

That sack took them out of FG range

 

[Lash]

We can take a stand

Football fans across america need to vote Forsett for Phil Simms iron award

Embarrass the NFL with a Forsett win on natl TV

 

[renesauz]

No Leshore TD sigh.....

Yeah, awesome. I played Leshore because Bell basically didn't play last week; thought Leshore would be safe. Back to the 'closer' role....sigh x 2

I started Leshoure in one league and I am overjoyed that he has done anything at all against the Texans.

Was praying for 10 points.

 

[dgreen]

Face facts...the rule is BS. The object should ALWAYS be to get the call right.

Overall, I agree. I'd get rid of challenges altogether.

 

[mbuehner]

A coach could run off the sideline and tackle a player headed for the endzone and the penalty wouldn't be 7 free points.

Yes it would.

http://quirkyresearch.blogspot.ca/2009/12/blogging-nfl-rule-book-palpably-unfair.html

Right, but the team was going to get a touchdown anyway. The only 'penalty' would be the personal foul and ejection. In the case we're looking at it gave 7 points to a team that would never have gotten those points.

 

[Loan Sharks]

I'd love it if J Force got the Iron Man Trophy!!!

I literally just came here to post I just voted for Forsett at cbssports I can't wait for that interview. "So here's you Iron shaped like a turkey for getting credit for that ####, how do you feel?"

 

[mad sweeney]

Face facts...the rule is BS. The object should ALWAYS be to get the call right.

 

[renesauz]

Face facts...the rule is BS. The object should ALWAYS be to get the call right.

Overall, I agree. I'd get rid of challenges altogether.

Prefer the way most college conferances do it. Another official in the booth stops play, AND HE MAKES THE CALL. Kind of dumb that the same guy who missed it the first time gets to decide the second time.

 

[jon_mx]

I wish coaches would call more plays to maximize my fantasy team's points.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

WOW...REFs should be fired over this one.

Jim Schwartz too for not knowing the rule.

Schwartz knew the rule. (He immediately took the blame, pointing to himself and saying "my fault, that's on me" several times.)He just thew the flag to "be a man" and let the refs know that he's not going to stand for their error, and he didn't think about the rule in the heat of the moment.

I think he knew it was a penalty when he pointed to himself. I am not sure if he knew he made the play in reviewable. First te I have seen the rule applied.

It was during the crowd's collective astonishment that the play was not reviewable because the flag was thrown. That's what he was saying "may fault" about. And he didn't look surprised or upset. He just looked like he knew he messed up.

Thanks for posting the rule Maurile -- glad it's not quite as bad as it seems.Schwartz told his coaches and players 'that's on me' several times after he realized what he'd done.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Six 3 and outs forced by the Lions today

 

[death of the cool]

Ok how many times have the texans play actioned on 1st down?

I own a glorified decoy

 

[renesauz]

Don't like that call either.