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Texans-Moulds agree to deal (1 Viewer)

now that the Bills know the Texans want him, that should hopefully allow Levy to extract a decent draft pick. I guess a 4th round pick is the minimum and most likely price based on earlier reports, but I'd love to see them somehow nab a 3rd. Either way, Kubiak and the Texans are going to have a nice collection of skill position players this year...hope they get their line problems solved.

 
now that the Bills know the Texans want him, that should hopefully allow Levy to extract a decent draft pick. I guess a 4th round pick is the minimum and most likely price based on earlier reports, but I'd love to see them somehow nab a 3rd. Either way, Kubiak and the Texans are going to have a nice collection of skill position players this year...hope they get their line problems solved.
Texans 4th is as early as could be so I doubt they can raise the value. Worth a try though.Almost sounds like a shame though doesn't it? After all he's done he's only worth a 4th. A little weird

 
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now that the Bills know the Texans want him, that should hopefully allow Levy to extract a decent draft pick. I guess a 4th round pick is the minimum and most likely price based on earlier reports, but I'd love to see them somehow nab a 3rd. Either way, Kubiak and the Texans are going to have a nice collection of skill position players this year...hope they get their line problems solved.
Texans 4th is as early as could be so I doubt they can raise the value. Worth a try though.Almost sounds like a shame though doesn't it? After all he's done he's only worth a 4th. A little weird
:confused: Texans are paying for his future, not his past.

 
Texans are paying for his future, not his past.
I have a feeling he'll be more productive over the next few years than any player taken in the 4th round of this year's draft. Texans are getting a steal.
 
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not trying to hijack but where does this leave the iggles? the javon walker sweepstakes?? i agree w/ the value of carr at this point,get some o-line help and he could be real solid,also takes the doubles off of ajohnson and potentially opens lanes for bush...

 
Texans are paying for his future, not his past.
I have a feeling he'll be more productive over the next few years than any player taken in the 4th round of this year's draft. Texans are getting a steal.
I have a feeling he'll be INCREDIBLY more expensive than any 4th rounder in this years draft, with a much shorter career span.They arent getting a steal, they are way overpaying for an aging vet who would be cut.

 
Texans are paying for his future, not his past.
I have a feeling he'll be more productive over the next few years than any player taken in the 4th round of this year's draft. Texans are getting a steal.
I have a feeling he'll be INCREDIBLY more expensive than any 4th rounder in this years draft, with a much shorter career span.They arent getting a steal, they are way overpaying for an aging vet who would be cut.
sure he would, but you don't get to rollover the cap dollars you don't spend. if they have the cap space, they can afford to pay a veteran. who on that team makes big dollars anyway?Moulds will be worth the money.

 
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what a thread for a pass first team

 
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Texans are paying for his future, not his past.
I have a feeling he'll be more productive over the next few years than any player taken in the 4th round of this year's draft. Texans are getting a steal.
I have a feeling he'll be INCREDIBLY more expensive than any 4th rounder in this years draft, with a much shorter career span.They arent getting a steal, they are way overpaying for an aging vet who would be cut.
:goodposting: Totally agree. Moulds is on the downslide of a decent career that hasn't seen him post big number since that super stud :cough: Pierless Price left town. Aging WRs cannot replace speed, no matter how hard they train in the offseason.

The Bills are stealing from the Texans. The lowest 4th round pick for a guy who would be cut if the Bills found no takers? Highway robbery by Buffalo.

I like what the Texans are doing, but in football, it all starts up front. Carr or even a Tony Ragone for that matter could pick apart defenses if they could get 5 to 7 clicks on the clock, before the protection breaks down.

Without OL help, it won't matter. Carr will never have enough time to even think about a 2nd option before the opponent's DL and LBs are crashing ontop of him.

Thus making spending an early 4th on a WR about to be cut a moot point. Unless the Texans go Bush, OL, OL, defense, OL on draft day, I'm not touching Moulds with a 12th round pick on draft day.

 
Texans are paying for his future, not his past.
I have a feeling he'll be more productive over the next few years than any player taken in the 4th round of this year's draft. Texans are getting a steal.
I have a feeling he'll be INCREDIBLY more expensive than any 4th rounder in this years draft, with a much shorter career span.They arent getting a steal, they are way overpaying for an aging vet who would be cut.
That's about the size of it.
 
This might be good for Andre? When you think about the fact Andre has never really had a true receiver as a teammate Moulds could go a long way in developing Andre FINALLY. But I will contnue to do what I have always done. Stay away from Houston offense entirely.

And that includes Reggie Bush! Now if they ever get a line together there are gonna be a lot of good fantasy players sudenly appear in that Houston offense that have never been much useful before outside of DD. But still the wealth will be spread around among so many. Just another reason Bush is not the lock on number one rookie pick IMO. Not that it really matters to me with 9th pick my best rookie this year. lol

 
Well, I guess it really was all about the money for Moulds and not about going to a winning team. It's sad seeing one of my favorite players leave the Bills, but IMO $7M a year for Moulds at this point in his career is way too much and with a clearly rebuilding Bills team would have hindered their overall plan.

I hope he finds happiness.

 
Houston could be decent this year if they pass on Bush, trade down in the top five and take De'BrickHouseShawWhatever Hisnameis. Gives them the OL help they need, and they come out with more picks. This allows Kub to start forming the team the way he wants...

Kub comes from Denver and they very rarely took first round backs. I think he feels he can either get another year out of dom or draft a back in the 3rd/4th round and have success.

 
Can the Bills not pull a Jets right now. Are they not in the drivers seat to get a 3rd rounder for him. Just because a contract is agree too does not really mean anything. Can another team now knowing the parameters not jump in ala Seattle especially if the contract is nice financially. Eagles could give up there 3rd and try to make the move still or any of the other teams.

I can see a 3rd right now if other teams think like Seattle which I thought was brillant. They got the compensation in place first which put huge pressure on Altanta since the contract parameters are now set.

 
Texans are paying for his future, not his past.
I have a feeling he'll be more productive over the next few years than any player taken in the 4th round of this year's draft. Texans are getting a steal.
I have a feeling he'll be INCREDIBLY more expensive than any 4th rounder in this years draft, with a much shorter career span.They arent getting a steal, they are way overpaying for an aging vet who would be cut.
sure he would, but you don't get to rollover the cap dollars you don't spend. if they have the cap space, they can afford to pay a veteran. who on that team makes big dollars anyway?Moulds will be worth the money.
but you can roll over the cash which will allow you to sign other (perhaps younger) players in years to come without damaging your company which according to McNair has a high debt burden for the stadium
 
Just because the Bills know that HOU wants him doesn't immediately translate to power. The Bills will be forced to release Moulds and therefore have ZERO power in all of this. Anything they can get would be gravy. Unless another suitor shows up wanting Mr. Mould's service and creates a bidding war, I would be surprised to see Kubiak and Co. offer more than a 6th.

 
I forgot to add Jeb Putzier to the weapons at Carr's disposal.....wow, this could be very interesting.....
Don't forget Kevin Walter.The folks in HOU are going to see a whole new deal as far as having it together in the passing game.

Carr gets to go to school with KUBS and that's a plus for all parties. The team is going to take on it's own personality and it's going to be a treat to watch it happen. By the season's second half, these guys could doing a Miami type turn-around.

:popcorn:

 
Texans are paying for his future, not his past.
I have a feeling he'll be more productive over the next few years than any player taken in the 4th round of this year's draft. Texans are getting a steal.
I have a feeling he'll be INCREDIBLY more expensive than any 4th rounder in this years draft, with a much shorter career span.They arent getting a steal, they are way overpaying for an aging vet who would be cut.
sure he would, but you don't get to rollover the cap dollars you don't spend. if they have the cap space, they can afford to pay a veteran. who on that team makes big dollars anyway?Moulds will be worth the money.
The Texans will have 3 top 5 picks and have awarded large dollar deals average at best players like Todd Wade, Robere Smith and Morlon Greenwood. In fact, the OL has been in the Top 10, if not Top 5 in cost. Same with the DL. Overall, they are still in decent cap shape, but have made poor use of money they have spent. The who on that team SHOULD be making big dollars is a better question.

 
*Houston still needs to upgrade their O line or these skill position moves are a moot point.

*I think we can all agree that if the Houston O line does improves than there are no more excuses for David Carr. He has the weapons and it's now time to prove he can actually play. While I fully understand he has been in a subpar situation I have not been impressed at all with him. In many ways this is a make or break year for him and the franchise. A combination of passing on Leinart or Young and Carr turning into Tim Couch will have devastating effects on this franchise. Carr needs to step up.

*Looks like Moulds was most concerned about the money which he has every right to do. He had an opportunity to be a "missing piece" type of player for a good team but in all likihood those type of teams weren't willing to break the bank on a productive but aging WR.

 
Just because the Bills know that HOU wants him doesn't immediately translate to power. The Bills will be forced to release Moulds and therefore have ZERO power in all of this. Anything they can get would be gravy. Unless another suitor shows up wanting Mr. Mould's service and creates a bidding war, I would be surprised to see Kubiak and Co. offer more than a 6th.
Why will the Bills be forced to release Moulds? The Bills have ALL the leverage here. They can fit Moulds under the cap right now. It would be beneficial to the team if he took a paycut but he isn't putting them over the cap. He can run his mouth and sit out all he wants, the Bills own him and can sit on their hands if they want to. If another team wants him, they're going to have to pay to get him.
 
Texans are paying for his future, not his past.
I have a feeling he'll be more productive over the next few years than any player taken in the 4th round of this year's draft. Texans are getting a steal.
I have a feeling he'll be INCREDIBLY more expensive than any 4th rounder in this years draft, with a much shorter career span.They arent getting a steal, they are way overpaying for an aging vet who would be cut.
sure he would, but you don't get to rollover the cap dollars you don't spend. if they have the cap space, they can afford to pay a veteran. who on that team makes big dollars anyway?Moulds will be worth the money.
if you have a creative front office, you can rollover cap dollars by using bonuses which qualify as "likely to be earned" and must be included in the current cap- but which are designed to be not be met.Philly has done this for years by adding clauses late in the year to soak up unused cap space and essentially roll it over to the next year.

 
Well, I guess it really was all about the money for Moulds and not about going to a winning team. It's sad seeing one of my favorite players leave the Bills, but IMO $7M a year for Moulds at this point in his career is way too much and with a clearly rebuilding Bills team would have hindered their overall plan.

I hope he finds happiness.
:no: The Bills only had 5 wins last year. I don't think they are on the edge of a super bowl either. At least the Texans have comitted to a QB.

 
This would be a good move by the Texans. But pardon me if I beat a dead horse. OL is their biggest need, and has been since they got burned by Tony Boselli back in 2002. You can have all the talent in the world in the backfield and at receiver, and it won't matter if you don't give your QB time to throw or give the backs a hole to run...

Should they not have gone after some of the OL that have been available this offseason? There have been a few quality ones that would have immediately beefed up that pathetic line.

 
Just because the Bills know that HOU wants him doesn't immediately translate to power. The Bills will be forced to release Moulds and therefore have ZERO power in all of this. Anything they can get would be gravy. Unless another suitor shows up wanting Mr. Mould's service and creates a bidding war, I would be surprised to see Kubiak and Co. offer more than a 6th.
Why will the Bills be forced to release Moulds? The Bills have ALL the leverage here. They can fit Moulds under the cap right now. It would be beneficial to the team if he took a paycut but he isn't putting them over the cap. He can run his mouth and sit out all he wants, the Bills own him and can sit on their hands if they want to. If another team wants him, they're going to have to pay to get him.
Do the Bills have enough cap room to sign the rookies (#8 overall requires a million dollar signing bonus), and any free agents that they want? If they deal Moulds, they will have more flexibility to do both rather than be forced out of the offseason game.
 
Kubiak and Casserly are getting things done...Mike Flanagan was a very solid addition to the offensive line and Kubiak's presence alone will improve the play there IMHO. Also, people presume that if the Texans pass on Brick they aren't addressing their line? It's not as though there aren't going to be guys that can compete for starting jobs on that line in the 2nd round and later. Plus, if Kubiak is successful installing his offense, the Texans will be able to target lineman that other teams wouldn't necessarily covet [i.e., smaller but more athletic].

 
Kubiak and Casserly are getting things done...Mike Flanagan was a very solid addition to the offensive line and Kubiak's presence alone will improve the play there IMHO. Also, people presume that if the Texans pass on Brick they aren't addressing their line? It's not as though there aren't going to be guys that can compete for starting jobs on that line in the 2nd round and later. Plus, if Kubiak is successful installing his offense, the Texans will be able to target lineman that other teams wouldn't necessarily covet [i.e., smaller but more athletic].
While I understand what you are saying aren't you giving Kubiak a lot of the credit that should go to Alex Gibbs for creating the Denver O line factory?
 
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what a thread for a pass first team
I for one am happy he is not going to be an Eagle. Not all iggle fans are on Moulds' jock.

 
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Kubiak and Casserly are getting things done...Mike Flanagan was a very solid addition to the offensive line and Kubiak's presence alone will improve the play there IMHO. Also, people presume that if the Texans pass on Brick they aren't addressing their line? It's not as though there aren't going to be guys that can compete for starting jobs on that line in the 2nd round and later. Plus, if Kubiak is successful installing his offense, the Texans will be able to target lineman that other teams wouldn't necessarily covet [i.e., smaller but more athletic].
While I understand what you are saying aren't you giving Kubiak a lot of the credit that should go to Alex Gibbs for creating the Denver O line factory?
Not just Kubiak...Kubiak plus Mike Sherman, whose background was as an offensive line coach prior to getting the GB HC job. :yes:
 
http://www.click2houston.com/randysblog/index.html

David Carr could suddenly be a really good value QB to get .... Bush, Domanick David, Andre Johnson and Moulds are all great receiving options

Wow.....if they hit on a OL in the 2nd round of the draft.....watch out.
Can't believe I saw the words "wow" and "watch out" while reading about the Texans. :lmao:

Seriously, instead of being the worst team in the league, now they're second worst. What an accomplishment. Call me when they have a winning record.

 
http://www.click2houston.com/randysblog/index.html

David Carr could suddenly be a really good value QB to get .... Bush, Domanick David, Andre Johnson and Moulds are all great receiving options

Wow.....if they hit on a OL in the 2nd round of the draft.....watch out.
Can't believe I saw the words "wow" and "watch out" while reading about the Texans. :lmao:

Seriously, instead of being the worst team in the league, now they're second worst. What an accomplishment. Call me when they have a winning record.
Why would you assume the Texans are still a horrible team? The preseason is far from over. Plenty of FA moves and the draft still to help shape how all 32 teams look heading into 2006.
 
Just because the Bills know that HOU wants him doesn't immediately translate to power. The Bills will be forced to release Moulds and therefore have ZERO power in all of this. Anything they can get would be gravy. Unless another suitor shows up wanting Mr. Mould's service and creates a bidding war, I would be surprised to see Kubiak and Co. offer more than a 6th.
Why will the Bills be forced to release Moulds? The Bills have ALL the leverage here. They can fit Moulds under the cap right now. It would be beneficial to the team if he took a paycut but he isn't putting them over the cap. He can run his mouth and sit out all he wants, the Bills own him and can sit on their hands if they want to. If another team wants him, they're going to have to pay to get him.
Do the Bills have enough cap room to sign the rookies (#8 overall requires a million dollar signing bonus), and any free agents that they want? If they deal Moulds, they will have more flexibility to do both rather than be forced out of the offseason game.
Last I heard the Bills still had about $7.3M in cap space (including Moulds). I think $3.5-4M of that usually gets allocated to rookies so you're looking at $3.8-4.3M left. So they don't have a whole lot of money left, but I think they're mostly done anyway. They're certainly not going to be making any big moves, especially since there's not really any big name players left that would fit their needs right now.
 
What are the implications of this signing for Andre Johnson? I'm thinking that it could go viewed positively (less double coverage) or negatively (a shared #1 WR role), but am not sure which way to lean.

 
http://www.click2houston.com/randysblog/index.html

David Carr could suddenly be a really good value QB to get .... Bush, Domanick David, Andre Johnson and Moulds are all great receiving options

Wow.....if they hit on a OL in the 2nd round of the draft.....watch out.
Can't believe I saw the words "wow" and "watch out" while reading about the Texans. :lmao:

Seriously, instead of being the worst team in the league, now they're second worst. What an accomplishment. Call me when they have a winning record.
Why would you assume the Texans are still a horrible team? The preseason is far from over. Plenty of FA moves and the draft still to help shape how all 32 teams look heading into 2006.
I know, I know, everyone loves their team on draft day. :boxing: Let's just say I need to see more than an overpaid, rapidly-declining WR signing to believe.

And before you go into a "Reggie Bush is the savior of the franchise" story, remember these two words... Ki-Jana Carter.

 
Texans are paying for his future, not his past.
I have a feeling he'll be more productive over the next few years than any player taken in the 4th round of this year's draft. Texans are getting a steal.
I have a feeling he'll be INCREDIBLY more expensive than any 4th rounder in this years draft, with a much shorter career span.
I'd bet Moulds is still in the league when half of those 4th rounders are starting their next careers.
 
http://www.click2houston.com/randysblog/index.html

David Carr could suddenly be a really good value QB to get .... Bush, Domanick David, Andre Johnson and Moulds are all great receiving options

Wow.....if they hit on a OL in the 2nd round of the draft.....watch out.
Can't believe I saw the words "wow" and "watch out" while reading about the Texans. :lmao:

Seriously, instead of being the worst team in the league, now they're second worst. What an accomplishment. Call me when they have a winning record.
Why would you assume the Texans are still a horrible team? The preseason is far from over. Plenty of FA moves and the draft still to help shape how all 32 teams look heading into 2006.
I know, I know, everyone loves their team on draft day. :boxing: Let's just say I need to see more than an overpaid, rapidly-declining WR signing to believe.

And before you go into a "Reggie Bush is the savior of the franchise" story, remember these two words... Ki-Jana Carter.
:confused: Ki-Jana Carter tore his knee up before he ever had a chance to make his mark
 
http://www.click2houston.com/randysblog/index.html

David Carr could suddenly be a really good value QB to get .... Bush, Domanick David, Andre Johnson and Moulds are all great receiving options

Wow.....if they hit on a OL in the 2nd round of the draft.....watch out.
Can't believe I saw the words "wow" and "watch out" while reading about the Texans. :lmao:

Seriously, instead of being the worst team in the league, now they're second worst. What an accomplishment. Call me when they have a winning record.
Why would you assume the Texans are still a horrible team? The preseason is far from over. Plenty of FA moves and the draft still to help shape how all 32 teams look heading into 2006.
I know, I know, everyone loves their team on draft day. :boxing:
Hey man, Houston is tied for first right now so be quiet! :boxing:
 
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http://www.click2houston.com/randysblog/index.html

David Carr could suddenly be a really good value QB to get .... Bush, Domanick David, Andre Johnson and Moulds are all great receiving options

Wow.....if they hit on a OL in the 2nd round of the draft.....watch out.
Can't believe I saw the words "wow" and "watch out" while reading about the Texans. :lmao:

Seriously, instead of being the worst team in the league, now they're second worst. What an accomplishment. Call me when they have a winning record.
Why would you assume the Texans are still a horrible team? The preseason is far from over. Plenty of FA moves and the draft still to help shape how all 32 teams look heading into 2006.
I know, I know, everyone loves their team on draft day. :boxing: Let's just say I need to see more than an overpaid, rapidly-declining WR signing to believe.

And before you go into a "Reggie Bush is the savior of the franchise" story, remember these two words... Ki-Jana Carter.
:confused: Ki-Jana Carter tore his knee up before he ever had a chance to make his mark
And so may Bush, GD forbid.Edited to add: I'm not saying Texans fans shouldn't have reason for optimism. It seems your team is heading in the right direction... finally. But I'll temper my enthusiasm for their season until I see the product on the field, not on a message board in March.

 
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I do see some similarities between Eric Oulds and Andre Johnson

One takes ever other season off

the other takes ever other play off.

 
I might wait for confirmation from another source before drawing any conclusions. This seems to be based on a report from the WIP.

Eh, those Philly radio guys have been wrong before.

 
I might wait for confirmation from another source before drawing any conclusions. This seems to be based on a report from the WIP.

Eh, those Philly radio guys have been wrong before.
Yes, has this been confirmed yet??
 
Talks between the Bills and two teams are heating up to a point that an Eric Moulds trade could happen as early as Thursday.

Eric Moulds

Wide Receiver

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2005 SEASON STATISTICS

Rec Yds TD Avg Long YAC

81 816 4 10.1 55 229

The Texans and Eagles appear to have the lead and both teams are expecting quick decisions.

Bills general manager Marv Levy has talked with Moulds and even though he wants him to take a pay cut and stay, he's willing to part ways with the wide receiver in a trade.

Moulds will have to restructure his contract for the new teams and that doesn't appear to be a problem. He will probably make about $8 million over the first two years of a new deal, similar to what Keyshawn Johnson received from the Carolina Panthers.

Moulds, a 10-year veteran and the Bills' senior player, has two years left on his contract, but was scheduled to count about $10.8 million against the salary cap next year. The Bills deem that figure too expensive but have failed in their bid to have the receiver restructure his contract.

Moulds, who is scheduled to make $7.1 million next season, has rejected the Bills' demands, believing there are other teams willing to match the salary. Buffalo would save about $5.5 million in salary cap space by releasing Moulds.

Moulds was Buffalo's first-round pick in the 1996 draft and has been a full-time starter since his third season. In 154 games, he has 675 catches for 9,096 yards and 48 touchdowns. Only Andre Reed has more catches (941) and yards (13,095) among Bills receivers.

 
Texans are paying for his future, not his past.
I have a feeling he'll be more productive over the next few years than any player taken in the 4th round of this year's draft. Texans are getting a steal.
And TO was only worth a 2ndAnd Faulk was only worth a 2nd and 4th

And Edge could've been had for a 2nd

And SA could've been had for a 2nd

NFL GMs overvalue draft picks for some reason and undervalue established stars(except for QBs).

 
Chanel 2 in Houston has bought in to the story. They claim to have some contacts.

I just hope it is for a 5th. The first pick on the second day of the draft is too high for my tastes. I'd rather try to trade it for someone's 3 next year if we are not going to use it. Moulds or not.

Moulds Done Deal to Texans

Posted: March 29, 2006

Hi folks. Local 2 sports has been in contact with people close to the Eric Moulds negotiations with the Eagles. Late Wednesday afternoon The "WIP" sports radio station in Philly is reporting that Moulds and his agent have come to terms with the Texans on a contract extension. Now both the Texans and Bills are working out details on a trade that will get him to Houston.

More tonight on KPRC Local 2 Sports at 10

Randy Mc

randysrants@click2houston.com
http://www.click2houston.com/randysblog/index.html
 
This is not a good move by the Texans. :thumbdown:

When was the last time a WR changed teams and had an impact for his new team? When was the last time a WR changed teams and repeated or bettered his numbers from the previous season with his old team?
Just off the top of my head,Santana Moss (from Jets to Skins)

Kennan McKardell (from Jags to Bucs)

Joe Horn (from KC to N.O.)

Jerry Rice (from 49er's to Raiders)

Eddie Kennison (from Donkeys to KC)

Not as rare as most think, but point taken.

 
Texans are paying for his future, not his past.
I have a feeling he'll be more productive over the next few years than any player taken in the 4th round of this year's draft. Texans are getting a steal.
I have a feeling he'll be INCREDIBLY more expensive than any 4th rounder in this years draft, with a much shorter career span.They arent getting a steal, they are way overpaying for an aging vet who would be cut.
sure he would, but you don't get to rollover the cap dollars you don't spend. if they have the cap space, they can afford to pay a veteran. who on that team makes big dollars anyway?Moulds will be worth the money.
but you can roll over the cash which will allow you to sign other (perhaps younger) players in years to come without damaging your company which according to McNair has a high debt burden for the stadium
thanks to their new stadium, I believe the Texans rank in the top-10 of revenue generated each year. $5 mil/year or whatever Moulds agreed to is not going to hurt the Texans bottom line. Its a drop in the bucket.
 

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