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Texans RB Jonathan Grimes - "Grime Time Revisited" (1 Viewer)
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tdhartis
Footballguy
I don't think he is worth the add. Greene is uninjured and will obviously get the bulk of the carries. We know relatively little about Grimes other than the fact that he was behing Greene, Powell, and McKnight on the depth chart - not the best indication of promise. He is also new to the team and I doubt he has a complete grasp on the play book and will likely not see third down duty with that likely placed on Shonn. Lastly, the Pats have been pretty good against the run and will no doubt be much better than the trash Indy threw out there last week. Nothing to see here.
Captain Hook
Footballguy
may be a decent spec stash but won't have much value in Week 7 against the Patriots
TLEF316
Footballguy
I know nothing about Grimes, but Greene is notoriously brittle. Always getting little nicks that take him out of games.
I'm sure the Jets will try to control the clock with the running game on sunday, so whoever is carrying the ball could have plenty of opportunities.
That being said, I expect the Jets to fall back to earth this week after an easy win against Indy. Unfortunately, I think NE will be up big early, forcing the Jets to throw.
I'm sure the Jets will try to control the clock with the running game on sunday, so whoever is carrying the ball could have plenty of opportunities.
That being said, I expect the Jets to fall back to earth this week after an easy win against Indy. Unfortunately, I think NE will be up big early, forcing the Jets to throw.
grimes looked good in Houston preseason. Don't think Powell (seperated shoulder) or McK (high ankle?) make quick returns to the lineup.
Not saying instant pickup but in a deep 12 team league he's a lottery ticket. also keep in mind greene is not in the team's long term plans. Grimes is a very interesting name indeed.
Not saying instant pickup but in a deep 12 team league he's a lottery ticket. also keep in mind greene is not in the team's long term plans. Grimes is a very interesting name indeed.
cstu
Footballguy
Here's what Bloom wrote about him before the season.I'm not expecting him to be worth starting considering the Pats run defense but if he plays well he could carve out a bigger role.
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
Opportunity is half of the equation.
zamboni
Footballguy
This is true.He may be an unknown, but he's now a Greene injury away from being the starting RB on a team that loves to run the ball.
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Banger
Footballguy
How banged up are Powell / McKnight ? If it's a one week thing grimes likely isn't worth a pickup if it's 2-4 week type things it may be worth taking a flyer.
zamboni
Footballguy
News coming out is that Powell has a separated shoulder and could be back for week 8. But seems unlikely that if it's really separated that he could come back that quickly.As for McKnight, he's got a high ankle sprain, so who knows on him. And for a guy that relies on shiftiness, that's not a good thing.IMO, if Grimes does show something, he could very well slip into the clear backup spot and stay there. It's not like Powell or McKnight have been world beaters themselves.
donkshow
Footballguy
This is my thinking as well. If McKnight and/or Powell are out long enough for Grimes to get a chance at doing anything, he could grab the back-up job as they have done nothing to deserve to keep it when they come back.
Banger
Footballguy
I guess the problem I have with the whole situation is that Powell was outplaying Greene all year and yet has barely got a sniff. Now Greene has his best game in maybe his career so that will cement his role for at least 2-3 more weeks, especially with a practice squad rookie behind him. If the backups haven't gotten any play with how Greene was running and how the Jets were playing, I don't see what will change to make them all the sudden give carries to a guy that doesn't even have an NFL carry.
zamboni
Footballguy
Agreed - Greene will likely get just about all the carries, with Grimes maybe a handful to give Greene a breather. They also have only two weeks until the bye, so either Powell or McKnight could be back for week 10.Bottom line is that it will probably take a Greene injury to make Grimes valuable, but same could be said for most backups out there.
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kentric
Footballguy
If he was potentially so good, why wasn't he drafted? Why isn't he still with Houston? A 4.55/40 isn't exactly what you'd want to hang your hat on for a RB.
zamboni
Footballguy
Draft pedigree means little - especially for RBs. Foster, Fred Jackson, Green-Ellis are among those guys that undrafted, and Bradshaw went in the 6th. There are others that I'm missing as well, I'm sure.Grimes may just be another scrub, but sometimes scouts just miss guys. As for Houston, they already have two quality RBs in Foster and Tate.
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tdhartis
Footballguy
Draft pedigree does mean something. There are expections to every rule, and just because you can name three current players where that is not the case doesn't mean there is "little" value to draft position or the fact that someone was drafted at all. If anything, it would be more accurate to say draft pedigree is "overrated." That I would agree with.Not every running back the Texans scout and give praise to is the second coming of Arian Foster. Foster becoming was he has is a freak event and no one at this point is even sure of how much success he would have outside of the organization. He is obviously a great fit what their system though. It's comparable to the Denver situation when Shannahan (and Kubiak) were there, in which they could plug in any Joe Schmoe like Rueben Droughns and garner themselves a 1,000 yard rusher. The Jets do not have such a system in place, Rex is committed to Greene (as stubborn as it may seem), the offense will be behind often, the kid is new to the offense, Powell's injury does not sound serious, and we just flat out don't know how he would perform at this level. The fact that he was undrafted and then let go by the Texans for Justin Forsett is something of significance. I understand grasping for straws if you're desperate this season, but I don't think he is even worth the roster spot unless you are in a very deep league without small benches and are banking on Shonn getting injured in the next 2-3 weeks. By that point Powell will be back by all indications and the point will be mute.
zamboni
Footballguy
Then overrated it is. I just named three, but there are plenty of other undrafted or late round picks that are starting now or in recent years.The thing about RBs is that NFL teams generally don't view the position that highly, unless you have unique talents like AP, Richardson, etc. RBs tend to fall and fall in the draft, and sometimes are taken late for depth or not at all.
Again, I don't expect Grimes to do anything outside of a Greene injury the next two weeks. Just not dismissing him because he wasn't drafted or couldn't latch onto a RB-crowded situation in Houston.
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tdhartis
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For every Victor Cruz anomaly that slipped past scouts there are plenty of FCS players that are taken in the draft, and some highly. See: Vladimir Ducasse, Andre Roberts, John Skelton, Armanti Edwards, Author Moats, Austen Lane, and many others. Fact is, many of these don't pan out. It's just like those that are taken in the draft, there may be the Tom Bradys taken late that end up being world beaters, but the odds are higher than high round picks have a better chance to succeed. The extent to which this is true is blown of proportion - but it's the truth.
I understand your interest and where you're coming from, but I am just stating my opinion on the situation and I find it interesting you can't even admit the cards are stacked against him in more ways than one. Sure, point out that that Forsett can return punts, but if the coaching staff were incredibly high on him, as in thinking he was NFL starter material-high, they probably wouldn't have risked letting him a.) go through waivers & b.) be signed off the practice squad. Surely when Grimes was being courted by the Jets he made the Texans aware so that they may be able to match or exceed the offer. Why weren't they willing to go through that length to keep him which would likely have meant pennies and dimes in the grand scheme of things.
Opportunity is everything in the NFL, and if this wasn't the Jets and I hadn't seen Rex's relunctance to remove Greene from his starting position I would take the value his opportunity much more. Powell has already shown more than Greene has this season and was on his way to stealing more and more touches. I can't see Rex supplanting Greene with the undrafted rookie that has been on the team for weeks after the possibility of a decent game or two before Powell comes back. Not to mention it is unlikley he gets an amount of carries significant enough to prove anything. Just too far of a longshot for me, and I am all about storing backup RBs with opportunity at this point in the season. Best of luck.
I understand your interest and where you're coming from, but I am just stating my opinion on the situation and I find it interesting you can't even admit the cards are stacked against him in more ways than one. Sure, point out that that Forsett can return punts, but if the coaching staff were incredibly high on him, as in thinking he was NFL starter material-high, they probably wouldn't have risked letting him a.) go through waivers & b.) be signed off the practice squad. Surely when Grimes was being courted by the Jets he made the Texans aware so that they may be able to match or exceed the offer. Why weren't they willing to go through that length to keep him which would likely have meant pennies and dimes in the grand scheme of things.
Opportunity is everything in the NFL, and if this wasn't the Jets and I hadn't seen Rex's relunctance to remove Greene from his starting position I would take the value his opportunity much more. Powell has already shown more than Greene has this season and was on his way to stealing more and more touches. I can't see Rex supplanting Greene with the undrafted rookie that has been on the team for weeks after the possibility of a decent game or two before Powell comes back. Not to mention it is unlikley he gets an amount of carries significant enough to prove anything. Just too far of a longshot for me, and I am all about storing backup RBs with opportunity at this point in the season. Best of luck.
Joe Summer
Footballguy
Good old Grimey.
cstu
Footballguy
Let's be honest - there's a 90% chance Grimes amounts to nothing. All I'm saying is that it's better to be ahead of the curve and pick him up now rather than try to get him after he does something. As for the Texans not trying to keep him, they probably did but they're also not going to break the bank for someone who is at best the 3rd most talented RB on their team. What I like about Grimes is primarily that I don't like Powell (3.9 YPC this year and longest run of 11 yards) or Greene - who despite what he did against a weak Colts defense is not a special RB. Undrafted or not, there's very little standing in front of Grimes and the worst case is you held onto him for a couple of weeks before dumping him.
GregR
Footballguy
I liked what I saw out of Grimes in the preseason enough that I picked him up as soon as the Jets signed him from the Texans practice squad. Unfortunately have had to cut him since for bye week fillers at other positions.
But I saw enough of him watching him play in the preseason I think he's a guy worth taking a flier on in a deep league. If your league only has enough bench to carry your own handcuffs and guys who definitely get touches, I don't know that I'd bother.
As CSTU just said, odds are he won't amount to anything. But I'd rather put my gamble down on a guy that drew my notice with his play on an NFL field as Grimes did. I really had hoped the Texans would be able to hang onto him.
But I saw enough of him watching him play in the preseason I think he's a guy worth taking a flier on in a deep league. If your league only has enough bench to carry your own handcuffs and guys who definitely get touches, I don't know that I'd bother.
As CSTU just said, odds are he won't amount to anything. But I'd rather put my gamble down on a guy that drew my notice with his play on an NFL field as Grimes did. I really had hoped the Texans would be able to hang onto him.
Sam Quentin
Footballguy
It seems Lex Hilliard is higher on the depth chart...
Ketamine Dreams
Footballguy
Did this bandwagon ever leave the gate?
Sam Quentin
Footballguy
it's still parked in cstu's backyard.....
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cstu
Footballguy
I like him long-term but I dropped him until he sees the field more.
Hilliard is the fullback.
Ketamine Dreams
Footballguy
Grimes: "But this was a contest for children!"
Lenny: "Yeah, and Homer beat their brains out."
I dropped him for Tanner.
Lenny: "Yeah, and Homer beat their brains out."
I dropped him for Tanner.
cstu
Footballguy
And I dropped him again for Dunbar. Both Tanner and Dunbar are good pickups, but I like Dunbar a little more since he's bound to take Felix's job at some point.
Jojo the circus boy
Footballguy
cstu is wrong...
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cstu
Footballguy
Do you think Grimes has a chance to take Forsett's job next year? With Tate being a FA in 2014 it would seem like a good idea.
GregR
Footballguy
Forsett is playing on a 1 year contract, which opens up the possibilities. Texans could decide they like Grimes better, or Forsett could try to sign with a different team where he'd slot in as the #2 RB.My view is still similar to what it was on the Jets. I liked what I saw from Grimes in preseason, not a world beater but someone who looked like he could be capable playing behind a decent line. He needs opportunity though and he will need luck to go his way (injuries ahead of him, garbage time, etc) to get that opportunity. So I'd only roster in extremely deep leagues. But I'd keep an eye on him.
AllVolUT
Footballguy
For those of us in deeper leagues still playing in Week 17, anything to see with Grimes this week? Seems Russell had good things to say about him in this thread, and here's a writeup on him by Bloom...
Bloom: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1278439-texans-look-to-strike-gold-again-with-undrafted-rookie-rb-jonathan-grimes
Bloom: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1278439-texans-look-to-strike-gold-again-with-undrafted-rookie-rb-jonathan-grimes
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Darryl Talley
Footballguy
5/23 against DEN
That's not bad considering 3.5 quarters it was a competitive game. And TEN gives up 2nd most pts to RB's.
That's not bad considering 3.5 quarters it was a competitive game. And TEN gives up 2nd most pts to RB's.
GoodLloydHaveMercy
Footballguy
Anybody else find it interesting that Grimes got first crack at RB last night?
Xue
Footballguy
He was running with the 1's during practice the past week or so. I've held onto him over the off-season in a few leagues and drafted him late in a few others this year.
https://twitter.com/MattHammondShow/status/496684765727449088
https://twitter.com/MattHammondShow/status/496684765727449088
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