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Texans shifting focus to Mario Williams (1 Viewer)
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Chaos Commish
Footballguy
I agree. Bush's camp will have more leverage after the draft, and they're confident Houston will take him regardless of all the posturing. If they're wrong, so is Houston. The Texans will regret it much more than Reggie in the long run.
Mister CIA
Footballguy
Question:
Could a deal negotiated between Reggie Bush and the Texans, before the draft, be considered binding? ... or would it merely be a verbal agreement that either party could freely back out of?
Could a deal negotiated between Reggie Bush and the Texans, before the draft, be considered binding? ... or would it merely be a verbal agreement that either party could freely back out of?
EBF
Footballguy
And if you want a tinfoil hat theory:
ESPN ran this story. ESPN will be airing the draft on TV. It's in their best interest to generate controversy so that more viewers will tune in. If it's a foregone conclusion that Houston will take Bush, then less viewers will watch the draft (meaning less advertising revenue for ESPN).
I don't think ESPN would necessarily stoop to that level, but you never know these days.
ESPN ran this story. ESPN will be airing the draft on TV. It's in their best interest to generate controversy so that more viewers will tune in. If it's a foregone conclusion that Houston will take Bush, then less viewers will watch the draft (meaning less advertising revenue for ESPN).
I don't think ESPN would necessarily stoop to that level, but you never know these days.
crimsonrebel
Footballguy
this is the one case i do see the jets trading up to the #2 spot for. you know the titans would jump all over bush. Curtis Martin is probably in his last year, and that means reggie bush could be brought in a little more slowly this year. There will still be decent qb's left in the 2nd round for the jets.
Sidewinder
Footballguy
FWIW - about an hour ago John McClain of the Houston Chronicle was on SportsRadio 610am (in H-town). Said "he expects the Texans to take Mario Williams". Pretty well respected guy and not prone to spreading rumors.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
Rumors are flying that both Tenn and NYJ have contacted the Saints in the case Bush falls to them.
Mister CIA
Footballguy
Actually, I safely assume that ESPN would readily stoop too any level to make a buck, which, when I think about it, is the root of this conversation (stooping for a buck that is, not ESPN).
Sidewinder
Footballguy
Wadsworth
Footballguy
This could be an example of what I have long believed is a mistake many NFL front office people make. I would suspect that the Texans looked at past deals for the first pick overall and the famous draft value chart and set their price.
Of course the Texan want the best deal they can get. But the only thing that really matters is what is best for the franchise. If it doesn't match up on the value chart so what? They certianly could have traded down and gotten Williams, Hawk or Brick in the first and had multiple other picks. Maybe those other picks would not be great, maybe they would not equal the Vick or Eli deals, but they almost certainly would have been a better move for the franchise than paying Williams 1st pick money when they might have gotten him for much less and other picks in a trade down.
Of course the Texan want the best deal they can get. But the only thing that really matters is what is best for the franchise. If it doesn't match up on the value chart so what? They certianly could have traded down and gotten Williams, Hawk or Brick in the first and had multiple other picks. Maybe those other picks would not be great, maybe they would not equal the Vick or Eli deals, but they almost certainly would have been a better move for the franchise than paying Williams 1st pick money when they might have gotten him for much less and other picks in a trade down.
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
KFFL saying that FOXSports' Jay Glazer has said that Texans have told Williams people he is the no.1 pick.
Mister CIA
Footballguy
Jets fans must be going crazy, thinking about getting into position to draft Reggie Bush.
Makes perfect sense to work a deal where the Jets get Reggie, Houston gets D'Brickashaw, and the Saints get a handsome ransom for making it all work out.
Makes perfect sense to work a deal where the Jets get Reggie, Houston gets D'Brickashaw, and the Saints get a handsome ransom for making it all work out.
coolnerd
Footballguy
You can't make deals in a vacuum. History, both of the league in general and your own matter. Take some way under market deal in 2006, in 2008 when they want to make a trade they may have gained the reputation that they will take anything you offer. By not thinking short term (i.e. 2006 draft only), they are doing what's best for the franchise.
Texasmouth
Footballguy
The NFL Network is reporting the Texans have agreed to a contract with Mario Williams, it is flashing BREAKING NEWS all over the place.......
I dont know if this means anything but if they have all ready signed him.......
Does that mean they have to draft him now?
I dont know if this means anything but if they have all ready signed him.......
Does that mean they have to draft him now?
Sidewinder
Footballguy
WWL radio (New Orleans) just reported Mario Williams agreed to terms with Houston.
Why would/should the Saints not draft Bush? They do have a somewhat hard time luring name FA's and Bush would be bound to the franchise for many years to come.
I am not sold on whether McAllister can be a top 10 RB again...
I am not sold on whether McAllister can be a top 10 RB again...
myhousekey
Footballguy
Saints just signed Bennett this offseason already. Bush looks great but the # of picks the Saints should be able to get for Bush far outweigh taking him. Bush's contract value will be less now at the #2 so the offers should be flying in.
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myhousekey
Footballguy
Nope, just mentioning it as he's a little bit of insurance for McAllister. If we can't get a good deal for Bush then by all means the Saints should take him. But if say SF were to offer their pair of #1's and a #1 next year for Bush I'd take it in a heart beat.You're using Bennett as a reason not to draft Bush?
myhousekey
Footballguy
Jets #4 (1800) + #35 (550) = 2350
Saints #2 (2600)
Jets need to give up more.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/8358748
Saints #2 (2600)
Jets need to give up more.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/8358748
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Wadsworth
Footballguy
If you take a RB second overall, you trade Duece. Or you really shouldn't be taking that RB second overall. You can get insurance for Duece in the 2nd or third round or later. At second overall you get his replacement.Nope, just mentioning it as he's a little bit of insurance for McAllister. If we can't get a good deal for Bush then by all means the Saints should take him. But if say SF were to offer their pair of #1's and a #1 next year for Bush I'd take it in a heart beat.You're using Bennett as a reason not to draft Bush?
I think the Texans are CRAZY if this is true, but if Bush winds up in New York because of this, things are going to get MIGHTY interesting with Bush as the heir-apparent to My Favorite Martin. 
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Sorry for the bump, but I'm wondering something a couple of others touched on.
If the Texans knew they wanted Mario, why not keep it quiet and take anything New Orleans was willing to give to move up to #1, knowing that there's no way the Saints would take Williams after all of the D-linemen they drafted in previous years?
If the Texans knew they wanted Mario, why not keep it quiet and take anything New Orleans was willing to give to move up to #1, knowing that there's no way the Saints would take Williams after all of the D-linemen they drafted in previous years?
jamil
Footballguy
who cares?
That's a great point. What I love is all the ridicule they got for it. This is like passing on Michael Jordan for whats his face. He looked like one of the best DEs in the league last year, and surely on the verge of stardom.
Bush...eh? 3.7 Yards a carry?
Not to call Bush a bust, but I think it's obvious the Texans didn't blow it in a historical proportion like EVERYONE was preaching back in the day.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Hardly. They didn't blow it at all. I think they've definitely been vindicated.
massraider
Footballguy
Pretty sure there's a Casserly quote where he called the Jets, and asked them if they were interested in the #1 pick. Response from Jets GM was something like, "Sure, what'll you give me to take it?"
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
It seemed at the time that Williams and not Bush was also on top of the Saints draft board.
coolnerd
Footballguy
See posts 40 and 65.In short, the NFL is not a fantasy league where if you wait long enough or work hard enough some team will make a trade. while it could still change, it looks like the Texans did what you are supposed to do with the number 1 pick, take the so-called best player available, unless some team offers a crazy package of picks and players.
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I've posted this in numerous Mario threads, it's an interesting read.Original articles:Raider Nation said:
Debunking myths around the #1 pick
Why Mario?
Tigerbot Hesh
Footballguy
There was always the chance that if Houston traded away the top pick (to New Orleans, to the Jets, etc.), someone else could have traded with them and got the top spot ansd drafted Williams. It sounds silly, I know, but it could have happened. If I was the Texans, and I loved Williams, why not stand pat and just take the guy I want? I'd hate to be in the Texans war room if they wheeled and dealed for more picks and then lost out on the guy they wanted because they got greedy.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Raider NationJon_Moorejamil said:
massraider
Bojang0301
coolnerd
Buckna
Tigerbot Hesh
I'll update the list for you as we go along.
HTH
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Thanks guys. I guess I really didn't believe that New Orleans would have taken Williams.
They drafted Darren Howard, Charles Grant, and Will Smith in previous drafts, so they seemed set at the position.
They drafted Darren Howard, Charles Grant, and Will Smith in previous drafts, so they seemed set at the position.
cstu
Footballguy
Not everyone.
GregR_2
Footballguy
One thing that could be ironic is that after the widespread criticism about how Houston blew their draft, they very possibly got not just one, but two of the elite players out of that draft class.Based on results to date, players from that class who probably warrant mention in a discussion of the uber elite players at their position today would probably be Mario Williams, Demeco Ryans, Antonio Cromartie, Marques Colston, and Marcus McNeil. I think it's fair to throw Devon Hester in there too for the impact he can bring to a game from kick returner. Obviously all of them can fall off going forward and not be worthy of that mention, but performance to date, those are the only ones I could come up with.
There are other players who could end up being considered amongst the top of their position, but I can't think of anyone else who has shown that yet. Vince Young, Cutler, and Leinart clearly have potential, but no one is going to throw their name out for serious consideration compared to Manning or Brady. AJ Hawk might get a mention someday but so far he hasn't broken the top 15 LBs in tackles. Addai and some of the other RBs are good, but I don't think anyone would seriously compare them to LT or ADP yet.
