Texans WR2 (1 Viewer)

[msommer]

Is jerome Mathis ready or will they go after a free agent (doubt TO or Keyshawn will sign there unless the money is really good)

IIRC Mathis was a bit of a project last year - lots of speed but the rest should be coached. 5/65/1 for the year and he was primarily used as a kick returner (54/1542/2)

They also have Derrick Armstrong who I know practically nothing about.

 

[ArcticEdge]

Are you in a 18 team league? Who's gonna be the WR2 for Texas? Who cares.......

 

[msommer]

Are you in a 18 team league? Who's gonna be the WR2 for Texas? Who cares.......

As a matter of fact one of the leagues I am in is a 32 team league.Thanks for asking - now run along and play

 

[The Mechanic]

Maybe Kevin Curtis, who is a free agent, might be considering it now that they resigned Bruce again...

 

[noneother]

the texans have the 33rd pick? they'll prolly get one of the four rookie WRs, Holmes, Jackson, Williams, Moss... I could see moulds ending there after the smoke clears and the bills remove the broom stick from his posterior

 

[AnonymousBob]

Maybe Kevin Curtis, who is a free agent, might be considering it now that they resigned Bruce again...

I did not know Curtis was a FA. Thanks for that tidbit.

 

[Beaumont]

They certainly are not giving Carr a whole lot of toys to play with ... and considering the enormous pressure he will have to live up to (be better than Leinart, Cutler and Young), he is doomed to failure if they don't get him a few new WRs and a legitimate pass catching TE ...

 

[The Mechanic]

Maybe Kevin Curtis, who is a free agent, might be considering it now that they resigned Bruce again...

I did not know Curtis was a FA. Thanks for that tidbit.

Your Welcome.... He's a ZZZZZZWould be a better fit for the team than Moulds. Youth + Speed + Opp = WOW!

 

[sib]

Reggie Bush..there's your RB1 and WR2 in one package

 

[Chaka]

They certainly are not giving Carr a whole lot of toys to play with ... and considering the enormous pressure he will have to live up to (be better than Leinart, Cutler and Young), he is doomed to failure if they don't get him a few new WRs and a legitimate pass catching TE ...

It's not like Bradford and Jar-Jar were worth playing with either. I think Kubiak has a plan and pretty much anyone he selects will be an upgrade over the two schlubs who got away.

 

[coolnerd]

I did a review of this under another thread...I will link or copy/paste in a few moments.

Notes: Curtis is RFA and would require a 1st round pick if the Rams did not match (not happening even though he is quality player)

They have tendered Walters from Bengals and waiting to see if Cinny is going to match.

 

[coolnerd]

I did a review of this under another thread...I will link or copy/paste in a few moments.

Notes: Curtis is RFA and would require a 1st round pick if the Rams did not match (not happening even though he is quality player)

They have tendered Walters from Bengals and waiting to see if Cinny is going to match.

On the Houston WR situationAndre Johnson- clear number 1, the question is do they get him the ball enough or in situation to make the big play. 2005 actually got him enough 63 catches missing 3 entire games and leaving in the 1st quarter of 2 others, but barely 10 yards a catch. 2004 yards per catch excellent, but probably not enough catches at 79. Have not used him effectively in the Red Zone at all.

Jabar Gaffney- UFA

Corey Bradford- UFA

Derrick Armstrong- RFA (tender not announced, but was undrafted) has shown flashes. Catches well, may not get open enough.

Jerome Mathis-runs like the wind, but has actually shown little to no real WR skill (getting open, route running, catching).

WR is actually a high level need just by the fact that the team literally does not have a guy who has even been a regular number 3 on thier roster. I expect to see the Texans sign one or two relatively cheap boring guys in FA.

This post has been edited by coolnerd: Mar 5 2006, 08:57 AM

 

[msommer]

Kevin Curtis is an RFA and IIRC STL tendered him at the highest level.

That probably takes him out of contention

 

[Patoons]

Derrick Armstrong- RFA (tender not announced, but was undrafted) has shown flashes. Catches well, may not get open enough.

I think this guy is a nice sleeper at this point in dynasty format. Showed some flashes two years ago and the #2 spot was too crowded last year for him to do much. Still fairly young at 27. If they get an O-line to give Carr some time to throw the ball, he could be a nice #3/#4.

 

[The Mechanic]

Kevin Curtis is an RFA and IIRC STL tendered him at the highest level.

That probably takes him out of contention

DOH!What does IIRC mean?

 

[glumpy]

Kevin Curtis is an RFA and IIRC STL tendered him at the highest level.

That probably takes him out of contention

DOH!What does IIRC mean?

"if I remember correctly"

 

[AnonymousBob]

Kevin Curtis is an RFA and IIRC STL tendered him at the highest level.

That probably takes him out of contention

DOH!What does IIRC mean?

If I recall/remember correctly. That is of course IIRC.

 

[diesel7982]

Only 1 post of 17 mentions the starter quality money given to WR Kevin Walter from Cincy?

Very little chance Cinci matches it.

Curtis is tendered at a round 1 level...very doubtful he'll be an option.

 

[msommer]

Thanks Diesel - that completely slipped my mind

 

[beto]

Only 1 post of 17 mentions the starter quality money given to WR Kevin Walter from Cincy?

Very little chance Cinci matches it.

Curtis is tendered at a round 1 level...very doubtful he'll be an option.

Kevin Walter tendered at starter quality money.There, I mentioned it, what do I win?

 

[Bri]

Only 1 post of 17 mentions the starter quality money given to WR Kevin Walter from Cincy?

Very little chance Cinci matches it.

Curtis is tendered at a round 1 level...very doubtful he'll be an option.

they should trade with the Stihlers to move up one spot(1st/2nd to last/1st). Curtis is far better than any WR in the draft but not worth the #1 overall pick.

 

[diesel7982]

Only 1 post of 17 mentions the starter quality money given to WR Kevin Walter from Cincy?

Very little chance Cinci matches it. 

Curtis is tendered at a round 1 level...very doubtful he'll be an option.

they should trade with the Stihlers to move up one spot(1st/2nd to last/1st). Curtis is far better than any WR in the draft but not worth the #1 overall pick.

Teams signing an RFA player have to give up a pick equal to or better than the pick they earned by their record.

 

[Bri]

Only 1 post of 17 mentions the starter quality money given to WR Kevin Walter from Cincy?

Very little chance Cinci matches it. 

Curtis is tendered at a round 1 level...very doubtful he'll be an option.

they should trade with the Stihlers to move up one spot(1st/2nd to last/1st). Curtis is far better than any WR in the draft but not worth the #1 overall pick.

Teams signing an RFA player have to give up a pick equal to or better than the pick they earned by their record.

I'm not sure about that wording.I think it's "round" equal to or better and not exact pick 26th, 18th, or whatever. If they had the last 1st round pick it'd still be a first. It'd be kinda hard for the NFL to expect teams to match the exact pick.

What was the Rams record when he was drafted...just checked 7-9, one year earlier it'd probably be close.

 

[GregR_2]

As others have mentioned, Derrick Armstrong has great hands, but the Texans never seemed to give him much opportunity other than in preseason. I can't say from personal observation that he fails to get open enough, but that is about the only reason we in the stands could come up with for why he wasn't used more.

He's looked good enough in the preseason games it was a frequent topic of conversation in the stands.

 

[Couch Potato]

Only 1 post of 17 mentions the starter quality money given to WR Kevin Walter from Cincy?

Very little chance Cinci matches it.

A little followup on Walter signing the offer sheet with Hou. It looks like they are thinking 3rd WR and special teams with him:

Bengals notebookTexans make Walter offer; Wideout signs 4-year, $6.4M offer sheetBY MARK CURNUTTE | ENQUIRER STAFF WRITERThe Bengals face a difficult decision on wide receiver Kevin Walter.Walter, a restricted free agent, signed an offer sheet on a four-year, $6.4 million contract Sunday with the Houston Texans.The Bengals have seven days to decide if they will match and sign Walter to that contract.ADVERTISEMENT"We'll tell you that in six and a half or seven days," Bengals coach Marvin Lewis said Monday.The Bengals tendered Walter at the lowest level, one year for $712,000, which would entitle them to a seventh-round draft pick (Walter was the Giants' seventh-round pick in 2003) if the Bengals chose not to match Houston's offer.The Texans envision Walter as a No. 3 receiver."They wouldn't have offered him that kind of money if they didn't see him as a solid No. 3," Clifford Brady, Walter's agent, said Monday.Brady said the Bengals have not contacted him about their plans for Walter."Usually a team will call and ask what the player wants to do in a situation like this," he said.Brady also said Miami and Baltimore had expressed interest in Walter, a three-year veteran who has 30 career receptions, all with the Bengals. He had a single-season career best 19 catches and his first career touchdown reception in 2005 with the Bengals.At best, Walter rose to the Bengals' No. 4 wide receiver behind Chad Johnson, T.J. Houshmandzadeh and Chris Henry. Henry's legal problems strengthen Walter's position as a proven insurance policy for the Bengals.Walter has 37 career special teams tackles in three seasons with the Bengals but wants an opportunity to play more offensively, his agent said."In four years from now, he could be a 50-, 60-catch receiver," Brady said.Walter, his wife and Brady had dinner with new Texans coach Gary Kubiak on Saturday night in Houston. Kubiak, the former Denver offensive coordinator, kept comparing Walter to former Broncos receiver Ed McCaffrey.

 

[Bri]

As others have mentioned, Derrick Armstrong has great hands, but the Texans never seemed to give him much opportunity other than in preseason. I can't say from personal observation that he fails to get open enough, but that is about the only reason we in the stands could come up with for why he wasn't used more.

He's looked good enough in the preseason games it was a frequent topic of conversation in the stands.

He had his moments a year or two ago but I thought the attention he got equaled a little extra attention by the CBs which he couldn't handle.

 

[schooner44]

Are you in a 18 team league? Who's gonna be the WR2 for Texas? Who cares.......

I'm in a 12 team dynasty league and I care greatly since I have AJ.

 

[diesel7982]

Only 1 post of 17 mentions the starter quality money given to WR Kevin Walter from Cincy?

Very little chance Cinci matches it. 

Curtis is tendered at a round 1 level...very doubtful he'll be an option.

they should trade with the Stihlers to move up one spot(1st/2nd to last/1st). Curtis is far better than any WR in the draft but not worth the #1 overall pick.

Teams signing an RFA player have to give up a pick equal to or better than the pick they earned by their record.

I'm not sure about that wording.I think it's "round" equal to or better and not exact pick 26th, 18th, or whatever. If they had the last 1st round pick it'd still be a first. It'd be kinda hard for the NFL to expect teams to match the exact pick.

What was the Rams record when he was drafted...just checked 7-9, one year earlier it'd probably be close.

This is exactly wrong.The Texans cannot give up any pick besides the 1st for a 1st round RFA.

The Eagles can give up any pick 14th or higher in the first round for a 1st round RFA.

The Steelers can give up any pick in the first round for a 1st round RFA.

 

[diesel7982]

Only 1 post of 17 mentions the starter quality money given to WR Kevin Walter from Cincy?

Very little chance Cinci matches it. 

A little followup on Walter signing the offer sheet with Hou. It looks like they are thinking 3rd WR and special teams with him:
Bengals notebookTexans make Walter offer; Wideout signs 4-year, $6.4M offer sheetBY MARK CURNUTTE | ENQUIRER STAFF WRITERThe Bengals face a difficult decision on wide receiver Kevin Walter.Walter, a restricted free agent, signed an offer sheet on a four-year, $6.4 million contract Sunday with the Houston Texans.The Bengals have seven days to decide if they will match and sign Walter to that contract.ADVERTISEMENT"We'll tell you that in six and a half or seven days," Bengals coach Marvin Lewis said Monday.The Bengals tendered Walter at the lowest level, one year for $712,000, which would entitle them to a seventh-round draft pick (Walter was the Giants' seventh-round pick in 2003) if the Bengals chose not to match Houston's offer.The Texans envision Walter as a No. 3 receiver."They wouldn't have offered him that kind of money if they didn't see him as a solid No. 3," Clifford Brady, Walter's agent, said Monday.Brady said the Bengals have not contacted him about their plans for Walter."Usually a team will call and ask what the player wants to do in a situation like this," he said.Brady also said Miami and Baltimore had expressed interest in Walter, a three-year veteran who has 30 career receptions, all with the Bengals. He had a single-season career best 19 catches and his first career touchdown reception in 2005 with the Bengals.At best, Walter rose to the Bengals' No. 4 wide receiver behind Chad Johnson, T.J. Houshmandzadeh and Chris Henry. Henry's legal problems strengthen Walter's position as a proven insurance policy for the Bengals.Walter has 37 career special teams tackles in three seasons with the Bengals but wants an opportunity to play more offensively, his agent said."In four years from now, he could be a 50-, 60-catch receiver," Brady said.Walter, his wife and Brady had dinner with new Texans coach Gary Kubiak on Saturday night in Houston. Kubiak, the former Denver offensive coordinator, kept comparing Walter to former Broncos receiver Ed McCaffrey.

Id really be surprised if he can't win the #2 job there. But you are right, the contract does allow for them to add another WR for a #2.

 

[gman8343]

Are you in a 18 team league? Who's gonna be the WR2 for Texas? Who cares.......

showing off your vast intellect once again...

 

[Man in the yellow hat]

While Mathis is extremely raw, the guy is obviously very talented. I think he could really be molded into a very good WR.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/20...uting-wrs_x.htm

"Keep an eye on Hampton's Jerome Mathis, who blazed to an electronic 40-yard time of 4.32 seconds at the combine. Sure, Mathis had a built-in advantage as a two-time All-America sprinter. But his track record suggests he knows how to put his speed to work on the gridiron with much better route-running skills than most sprinters. In college, Mathis had 32 plays of at least 40 yards, including 21 TDs. He also claimed the NCAA mark for career kick-return TDs (six). ..."

http://www.blackathlete.net/artman/publish...cle_01009.shtml

“As I look at Jerome, I see a player with raw talent,” said Texans’ coach Dom Capers when Mathis was introduced to the media for the first time. “I think he can help us in multiple situations as a receiver and return specialist. He is the kind of player that when he gets his hands on the ball he has a chance to score anytime.”

 

[Bojang0301]

Mathis is certainly raw but he has special speed and moves. With the size of WR's becoming less of an issue I think he could develop into a #2 WR but it will take time.

 

[Chitown Mole]

While Mathis is extremely raw, the guy is obviously very talented. I think he could really be molded into a very good WR.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/20...uting-wrs_x.htm

"Keep an eye on Hampton's Jerome Mathis, who blazed to an electronic 40-yard time of 4.32 seconds at the combine. Sure, Mathis had a built-in advantage as a two-time All-America sprinter. But his track record suggests he knows how to put his speed to work on the gridiron with much better route-running skills than most sprinters. In college, Mathis had 32 plays of at least 40 yards, including 21 TDs. He also claimed the NCAA mark for career kick-return TDs (six). ..."

http://www.blackathlete.net/artman/publish...cle_01009.shtml

“As I look at Jerome, I see a player with raw talent,” said Texans’ coach Dom Capers when Mathis was introduced to the media for the first time. “I think he can help us in multiple situations as a receiver and return specialist. He is the kind of player that when he gets his hands on the ball he has a chance to score anytime.”

Jerome was brutal as a WR last year. He is at least another year away from being a solid WR2 or even perhaps wr3...he may never get there. He was not very impressive as a wide out last year.

 

[Bri]

Only 1 post of 17 mentions the starter quality money given to WR Kevin Walter from Cincy?

Very little chance Cinci matches it. 

Curtis is tendered at a round 1 level...very doubtful he'll be an option.

they should trade with the Stihlers to move up one spot(1st/2nd to last/1st). Curtis is far better than any WR in the draft but not worth the #1 overall pick.

Teams signing an RFA player have to give up a pick equal to or better than the pick they earned by their record.

I'm not sure about that wording.I think it's "round" equal to or better and not exact pick 26th, 18th, or whatever. If they had the last 1st round pick it'd still be a first. It'd be kinda hard for the NFL to expect teams to match the exact pick.

What was the Rams record when he was drafted...just checked 7-9, one year earlier it'd probably be close.

This is exactly wrong.The Texans cannot give up any pick besides the 1st for a 1st round RFA.

The Eagles can give up any pick 14th or higher in the first round for a 1st round RFA.

The Steelers can give up any pick in the first round for a 1st round RFA.

where are you getting this info from?I'd be interested in reading up on this

 

[ArcticEdge]

Are you in a 18 team league?  Who's gonna be the WR2 for Texas? Who cares.......

As a matter of fact one of the leagues I am in is a 32 team league.Thanks for asking - now run along and play

32 team league eh.... Why stop there, you guys should go for 64 and alternate a starting QB with another team each week.

 

[massraider]

Only 1 post of 17 mentions the starter quality money given to WR Kevin Walter from Cincy?

Very little chance Cinci matches it. 

Curtis is tendered at a round 1 level...very doubtful he'll be an option.

they should trade with the Stihlers to move up one spot(1st/2nd to last/1st). Curtis is far better than any WR in the draft but not worth the #1 overall pick.

Teams signing an RFA player have to give up a pick equal to or better than the pick they earned by their record.

I'm not sure about that wording.I think it's "round" equal to or better and not exact pick 26th, 18th, or whatever. If they had the last 1st round pick it'd still be a first. It'd be kinda hard for the NFL to expect teams to match the exact pick.

What was the Rams record when he was drafted...just checked 7-9, one year earlier it'd probably be close.

This is exactly wrong.The Texans cannot give up any pick besides the 1st for a 1st round RFA.

The Eagles can give up any pick 14th or higher in the first round for a 1st round RFA.

The Steelers can give up any pick in the first round for a 1st round RFA.

where are you getting this info from?I'd be interested in reading up on this

Not sure where he got it from, but he's right.It's to prevent teams from trading down to the end of a round, THEN signing a RFA. I can't remember the player, but Al Davis did it several years ago. They closed the loophole after that season.

 

[jeter23]

The Texans won't likely have voids at receiver for long, though. They are still awaiting word on whether Cincinnati will match their offer sheet of $6.4 million over four years to Kevin Walter, a restricted free agent. The deadline is Sunday at midnight. Early next week, Minnesota Vikings restricted free agent Nate Burleson, 24, also will visit the Texans, whose offseason program starts Monday. Burleson is just two years removed from a 1,000-yard season. The Texans also will visit with former Denver Broncos tight end Jeb Putzier next week.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports...nt/3729617.html

 

[coolnerd]

The Texans won't likely have voids at receiver for long, though. They are still awaiting word on whether Cincinnati will match their offer sheet of $6.4 million over four years to Kevin Walter, a restricted free agent. The deadline is Sunday at midnight. Early next week, Minnesota Vikings restricted free agent Nate Burleson, 24, also will visit the Texans, whose offseason program starts Monday. Burleson is just two years removed from a 1,000-yard season. The Texans also will visit with former Denver Broncos tight end Jeb Putzier next week.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports...nt/3729617.html

per kffl.com

Texans | Team acquires Walter; Bengals fail to match offer sheet

Sat, 18 Mar 2006 13:29:29 -0800

Mark Curnutte, of the Cincinnati Enquirer, reports the Cincinnati Bengals have declined to match to offer sheet made by the Houston Texans to restricted free agent WR Kevin Walter. He signed an offer sheet on a four-year, $6.4 million contract with the Texans. The Texans will owe the Bengals a seventh-round draft pick as compensation.