If memory serves me correclty, he did not play all that well in the preseson. It was not until the last preseason game that he earned the starting job, and that may have only been because of Rivers long holdout. There was still talk of Rivers entering the season as the starter up until that final week before the season started.
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Brees averaged 9.6 yards per attempt during the preseason, completing 68.9% of his passes. If he'd kept that up during the regular season, he might be the league MVP this year instead of Manning.
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Air Coryell
Footballguy
WHen the Chargers lost week 3 and were 1-2, talk heated up about putting RIvers in. THe Chargers exploded against Tenn the following week and really never looked back.If Rothlisberger was a charger theres still a good chance he would have held out for first pick money like RIvers did. The holdout gave Brees a shot since Rivers was not ready to step in.
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I'm just saying there was an awful lot of talk about Rivers starting the season at QB (and I'am not talking about on these boards by owners). If he had been playing all that well....why all the talk?(just posing the question)....and you know as well as the rest of us do, the stats alone, do not tell the whole story.
BassNBrew
Footballguy
Ouch...bet that smarts.Kaeding - yes, he's a kicker but he is accurate and has a big leg. Kickers like Kaeding don't come around every year and the Chargers now have a dependable kicker for years to come.The Chargers have essentially traded Manning for Rivers who hasn't played a snap, a kicker, and some draft choices that may or may not pan out. They may get the better end of the deal yet, but going into the playoffs I'd rather have some firepower on the field contributing now then a backup QB sucking up salary cap space.
Rook couldn't take the pressure.... Thank you Eli!Signed,A thrilled Jets fanOuch...bet that smarts.Kaeding - yes, he's a kicker but he is accurate and has a big leg. Kickers like Kaeding don't come around every year and the Chargers now have a dependable kicker for years to come.The Chargers have essentially traded Manning for Rivers who hasn't played a snap, a kicker
cstu
Footballguy
Kaeding was a big part of the Chargers success this year and came up with some big kicks. It was a tough kick in the rain and you have to expect these things from a rookie. I can't be too disappointed since my hope was that the Chargers finish 8-8 this year. Things are looking good for the future in SD.Rook couldn't take the pressure.... Thank you Eli!Signed,A thrilled Jets fanOuch...bet that smarts.Kaeding - yes, he's a kicker but he is accurate and has a big leg. Kickers like Kaeding don't come around every year and the Chargers now have a dependable kicker for years to come.The Chargers have essentially traded Manning for Rivers who hasn't played a snap, a kicker
Air Coryell
Footballguy
You can't seriously be down on Kaeding cause of one missed FG. Wouldn't that be like defining Peyton by his early playoff performances.
TheLaw
Footballguy
I still dont get why they ran right, as opposed to up the middle.Kaeding was a big part of the Chargers success this year and came up with some big kicks. It was a tough kick in the rain and you have to expect these things from a rookie. I can't be too disappointed since my hope was that the Chargers finish 8-8 this year. Things are looking good for the future in SD.Rook couldn't take the pressure.... Thank you Eli!Signed,A thrilled Jets fanOuch...bet that smarts.Kaeding - yes, he's a kicker but he is accurate and has a big leg. Kickers like Kaeding don't come around every year and the Chargers now have a dependable kicker for years to come.The Chargers have essentially traded Manning for Rivers who hasn't played a snap, a kicker
Air Coryell
Footballguy
Kaeding asked for it to be on the right hash. Coach gave him what he wanted.I still dont get why they ran right, as opposed to up the middle.Kaeding was a big part of the Chargers success this year and came up with some big kicks. It was a tough kick in the rain and you have to expect these things from a rookie. I can't be too disappointed since my hope was that the Chargers finish 8-8 this year. Things are looking good for the future in SD.Rook couldn't take the pressure.... Thank you Eli!Signed,A thrilled Jets fanOuch...bet that smarts.Kaeding - yes, he's a kicker but he is accurate and has a big leg. Kickers like Kaeding don't come around every year and the Chargers now have a dependable kicker for years to come.The Chargers have essentially traded Manning for Rivers who hasn't played a snap, a kicker
Guzalot
Footballguy
The irony is that Nate Kaeding, the kicker that missed the potential game-winner in OT, was drafted using one of the picks the Chargers got fron the Giants in the Manning trade. So the Chargers got a QB they don't really need and kicker that chokes in the clutch. That's an oversimplification, of course, but it still strikes me as funny.
Air Coryell
Footballguy
This season from < 50 yds away Kaeding was 17 for 20(85%). His rookie season Vinatieri was 26 out of 33(79%). I call that pretty dependable. For a rookie kicker he had a great year.
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WeScoreMore
Footballguy
Not when Manning becomes a probowl QBManning for:Rivers
Kaeding
Oben
Merriman
Yeah, it was a good trade.
redman
Footballguy
I don't care one way or the other, but that's a silly response if Merriman turns out to be a stud and Rivers either becomes entrenched as a starter for years or they can trade him for good value. In trades involving young QB's, it's a bit tough to say who came out ahead until years later given how long they take to develop and given the longevity of their careers. I personally am skeptical about the Giants giving away so much in this trade, but the truth is we won't know this year or likely even next whether it was worth it.Not when Manning becomes a probowl QBManning for:Rivers
Kaeding
Oben
Merriman
Yeah, it was a good trade.
cstu
Footballguy
What happens to Eli really has no bearing on how this trade turns out unless both Brees and Rivers fail as QB's. The fact is that the Chargers are a much better team with the players they received that if they had kept Eli.I don't care one way or the other, but that's a silly response if Merriman turns out to be a stud and Rivers either becomes entrenched as a starter for years or they can trade him for good value. In trades involving young QB's, it's a bit tough to say who came out ahead until years later given how long they take to develop and given the longevity of their careers. I personally am skeptical about the Giants giving away so much in this trade, but the truth is we won't know this year or likely even next whether it was worth it.Not when Manning becomes a probowl QBManning for:Rivers
Kaeding
Oben
Merriman
Yeah, it was a good trade.
M
MLBrandow
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Rivers isn't worth anything. That's the problem. No one wants a QB who has spent 2 years in another system and hasn't done anything to prove he's NFL-worthy. He certainly hasn't stood out in the preseason either year, and the only team that was interested in him in the top 15 was the Chargers.They are discovering now that if they want the best bang for their buck, they will have to trade away Brees.What happens to Eli really has no bearing on how this trade turns out unless both Brees and Rivers fail as QB's. The fact is that the Chargers are a much better team with the players they received that if they had kept Eli.I don't care one way or the other, but that's a silly response if Merriman turns out to be a stud and Rivers either becomes entrenched as a starter for years or they can trade him for good value. In trades involving young QB's, it's a bit tough to say who came out ahead until years later given how long they take to develop and given the longevity of their careers. I personally am skeptical about the Giants giving away so much in this trade, but the truth is we won't know this year or likely even next whether it was worth it.Not when Manning becomes a probowl QBManning for:Rivers
Kaeding
Oben
Merriman
Yeah, it was a good trade.
Rivers might garner as high as a 3rd or 4th round pick, but no one will give up more than that for him.
Then two years from now you've got:
Giants: Manning
Chargers: Merriman, Kaeding, 3rd round pick (Oben will have retired).
I'm no head coach, but I'm just not sure that a rush linebacker and a good kicker is worth as much as a franchise QB.
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bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
YepIt will look even better when at the end of this year, they trade Brees/Rivers for even more picks/player to help this team out.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Your crazy. River isn't worth anything? You know nothing of this game we call football you new comer you.Rivers isn't worth anything. That's the problem. No one wants a QB who has spent 2 years in another system and hasn't done anything to prove he's NFL-worthy. He certainly hasn't stood out in the preseason either year, and the only team that was interested in him in the top 15 was the Chargers.They are discovering now that if they want the best bang for their buck, they will have to trade away Brees.What happens to Eli really has no bearing on how this trade turns out unless both Brees and Rivers fail as QB's. The fact is that the Chargers are a much better team with the players they received that if they had kept Eli.I don't care one way or the other, but that's a silly response if Merriman turns out to be a stud and Rivers either becomes entrenched as a starter for years or they can trade him for good value. In trades involving young QB's, it's a bit tough to say who came out ahead until years later given how long they take to develop and given the longevity of their careers. I personally am skeptical about the Giants giving away so much in this trade, but the truth is we won't know this year or likely even next whether it was worth it.Not when Manning becomes a probowl QBManning for:Rivers
Kaeding
Oben
Merriman
Yeah, it was a good trade.
Rivers might garner as high as a 3rd or 4th round pick, but no one will give up more than that for him.
Then two years from now you've got:
Giants: Manning
Chargers: Merriman, Kaeding, 3rd round pick (Oben will have retired).
I'm no head coach, but I'm just not sure that a rush linebacker and a good kicker is worth as much as a franchise QB.
What is funny about all of this is that as it turns out, Eli was 100% right about the Charger front office being clueless, as evidenced by: -The recent drawn out Merriman negotiation.-The unattainable incentive laden offers to Rivers during those negotiations.-The foolish (and costly) posturing in dealing with Gates. -The total misread regarding Brees' talents, and the use of the pick on a QB, (not to mention the ongoing evaporation of what little trade value Rivers has/had).That is all post-Mannining (who amazingly seemed to have a better read on Brees' talents at the time than the Chargers did). It all just solidifies Manning's notion that the SD front office would have been hard to deal with, and that they might not know exactly what they are doing.
BoltzNBrew
Footballguy
Like building a playoff contender?
TheLaw
Footballguy
Looks to me that the Chargers were right on all their fronts. Everybody got into camp and got their contracts. Rivers has looked good when he has played. They went 12-4 last season. I am confused really on how the Chargers screwed up. I mean, if Gates had sat the season or Merriman, I could understand. But Rivers value hasnt gone down - Brees might by season's end - but as of now the Chargers are solid and have more options than the Giants.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
I think you guys are missing the point.Rivers has far more value than any qb drafted this year. And IF the chargers choose to move him. They WILL get a fair amount of value in return.
Construction Man Jim
Footballguy
It should be noted that the Giants were able to sign Plax, McKenzie and Pierce because they didn't have to spend first round money on a #1 draft pick this year. So the equation isn't as simple as: Rivers + Merriman + Keading + Oben = Eli...
cstu
Footballguy
Exactly. Holding the clipboard for years didn't hurt Hasselbeck or McNair. It is also good for whoever gets Rivers since they won't be on the books for his signing bonus. What are the other options for a team looking for a QB - draft a rookie and pay more money or take a chance on a journeyman?
cstu
Footballguy
Interesting point, but compare the contracts:Shawne Merriman - five-year, $11.33 million contract with $9 million guaranteed.
Burress - six-year, $25 million with $8.25 guaranteed.
If Merriman comes anywhere close to the expectations the Chargers have for him then he will have been a steal with that contract. Burress on the other hand is now one of the NFL's top paid WR's and needs to perform like it - a very risky signing for the Giants.
Perhaps you could look at it like:
Rivers + Merriman + Keading + Oben = Eli + Burress + $2 million a year.
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What makes you think Manning will be a franchise QB. I would say at this point neither Rivers or MANNING has proved their worth. Receiving franchise QB money does not make you a franchise QB. In fact until proving otherwise MANNING could be a franchise bust.Rivers isn't worth anything. That's the problem. No one wants a QB who has spent 2 years in another system and hasn't done anything to prove he's NFL-worthy. He certainly hasn't stood out in the preseason either year, and the only team that was interested in him in the top 15 was the Chargers.They are discovering now that if they want the best bang for their buck, they will have to trade away Brees.What happens to Eli really has no bearing on how this trade turns out unless both Brees and Rivers fail as QB's. The fact is that the Chargers are a much better team with the players they received that if they had kept Eli.I don't care one way or the other, but that's a silly response if Merriman turns out to be a stud and Rivers either becomes entrenched as a starter for years or they can trade him for good value. In trades involving young QB's, it's a bit tough to say who came out ahead until years later given how long they take to develop and given the longevity of their careers. I personally am skeptical about the Giants giving away so much in this trade, but the truth is we won't know this year or likely even next whether it was worth it.Not when Manning becomes a probowl QBManning for:Rivers
Kaeding
Oben
Merriman
Yeah, it was a good trade.
Rivers might garner as high as a 3rd or 4th round pick, but no one will give up more than that for him.
Then two years from now you've got:
Giants: Manning
Chargers: Merriman, Kaeding, 3rd round pick (Oben will have retired).
I'm no head coach, but I'm just not sure that a rush linebacker and a good kicker is worth as much as a franchise QB.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Or Favre or Culpepper It seems as if QB who wait maybe a year or two before being thrown to the wolves are better off. Rivers at the end of the year will have been through two season learning, practicing etc. at a high level.
