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The 2020 Presidential Debates (the elephant in the room) (1 Viewer)
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johnnycakes
Footballguy
This went :whoosh:"Take away your guns, take away your Second Amendment. No religion, no anything. Hurt the Bible. Hurt God. He’s against God. He’s against guns. He’s against energy."
Debate drinking game.
Every time Biden says..."C'mon maaaan"
Every time Biden loses his train of thought and attempts to cover it by saying...."No...I shouldn't say it...No, I'm not going to say that...I was going to say something that I probably shouldn't say...."
I know that he's forward looking to proving his fillness!
Every time Biden says..."C'mon maaaan"
Every time Biden loses his train of thought and attempts to cover it by saying...."No...I shouldn't say it...No, I'm not going to say that...I was going to say something that I probably shouldn't say...."
I know that he's forward looking to proving his fillness!
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The Commish
Footballguy
Drinking Game: Every time one of the "sides" brings up a perceived "weakness" of the opponent that is as big of a problem (or bigger) of their own guy DRINK!!!
2 shots if Biden makes another racist remark
2 round skip if Biden claims that he finished college at the top of his class and with three degrees.....again.
Eat a piece of bread if you catch Biden plagiarizing (again) and you can name the original source!
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Lutherman2112
Footballguy
CPD Statement
August 6, 2020
Hon. Rudolph W. Giuliani
Donald J. Trump for President, Inc. 1300 N. 17th Street
14th Floor
Arlington, VA 22209
Dear Mayor Giuliani:
Thank you for your letter dated August 5. We are pleased that President Trump and Vice President Biden both have agreed to participate in the debates the Commission on Presidential Debates will sponsor on September 29 (Cleveland), October 15 (Miami-Town Hall), and October 22 (Nashville). We also look forward to the vice presidential debate scheduled for October 7 in Salt Lake City. Debate invitations will be extended after the major parties have formally nominated their respective candidates and after application of the Commission’s Non-Partisan Candidate Selection Criteria, as required by applicable law.
In your letter, you express the Trump campaign’s interest in a presidential debate in early September. You state that such a debate is necessary because some states begin sending out mail-in ballots before the first scheduled debate. There is a difference between ballots having been issued by a state and those ballots having been cast by voters, who are under no compulsion to return their ballots before the debates. In 2016, when the debate schedule was similar, only .0069% of the electorate had voted at the time of the first debate. While more people will likely vote by mail in 2020, the debate schedule has been and will be highly publicized. Any voter who wishes to watch one or more debates before voting will be well aware of that opportunity.
The Commission has found that three 90-minute debates work well to fulfill the voter education purposes the debates are intended to serve. If the candidates were to agree that they wished to add to that schedule, the Commission would consider that request but remains committed to the schedule of debates it has planned as reflected in the attached release.
You inquire about the possibility of logistical changes being necessary as a result of the pandemic. The Commission has been and remains highly focused on the possible impact of the pandemic on the debates. We have retained Cleveland Clinic as Health Security Advisor for the debates, and we are working closely with the Clinic on all aspects of debate planning potentially affected by the pandemic. The Commission will be ready for any contingency that is necessary as a result of the pandemic.
Finally, the Commission will adhere to our longstanding procedure of selecting the debate moderators. It will do so with great care, as always, to ensure that the selected moderators are qualified and fair.
Sincerely,
Frank J. Fahrenkopf, Jr. Dorothy S. Ridings Kenneth Wollack
August 6, 2020
Hon. Rudolph W. Giuliani
Donald J. Trump for President, Inc. 1300 N. 17th Street
14th Floor
Arlington, VA 22209
Dear Mayor Giuliani:
Thank you for your letter dated August 5. We are pleased that President Trump and Vice President Biden both have agreed to participate in the debates the Commission on Presidential Debates will sponsor on September 29 (Cleveland), October 15 (Miami-Town Hall), and October 22 (Nashville). We also look forward to the vice presidential debate scheduled for October 7 in Salt Lake City. Debate invitations will be extended after the major parties have formally nominated their respective candidates and after application of the Commission’s Non-Partisan Candidate Selection Criteria, as required by applicable law.
In your letter, you express the Trump campaign’s interest in a presidential debate in early September. You state that such a debate is necessary because some states begin sending out mail-in ballots before the first scheduled debate. There is a difference between ballots having been issued by a state and those ballots having been cast by voters, who are under no compulsion to return their ballots before the debates. In 2016, when the debate schedule was similar, only .0069% of the electorate had voted at the time of the first debate. While more people will likely vote by mail in 2020, the debate schedule has been and will be highly publicized. Any voter who wishes to watch one or more debates before voting will be well aware of that opportunity.
The Commission has found that three 90-minute debates work well to fulfill the voter education purposes the debates are intended to serve. If the candidates were to agree that they wished to add to that schedule, the Commission would consider that request but remains committed to the schedule of debates it has planned as reflected in the attached release.
You inquire about the possibility of logistical changes being necessary as a result of the pandemic. The Commission has been and remains highly focused on the possible impact of the pandemic on the debates. We have retained Cleveland Clinic as Health Security Advisor for the debates, and we are working closely with the Clinic on all aspects of debate planning potentially affected by the pandemic. The Commission will be ready for any contingency that is necessary as a result of the pandemic.
Finally, the Commission will adhere to our longstanding procedure of selecting the debate moderators. It will do so with great care, as always, to ensure that the selected moderators are qualified and fair.
Sincerely,
Frank J. Fahrenkopf, Jr. Dorothy S. Ridings Kenneth Wollack
The topic was lying....glass houses and all.
...and Biden isn't the opponent....he's the suit put up by the DNC
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sho nuff
Footballguy
You mean the claim about his degrees that he made sometime about 1987 and apparently hasn't repeated since then...that Trump rolled out this spring?
Also...he was voted in as the opponent...in a fair election...that is not in dispute.
Lutherman2112
Footballguy
Let's not forget that last December Trump was tweeting he will skip the debates because the commission "is stacked with Trump Haters & Never Trumpers."
Trump will skip a debate or two.
Trump will skip a debate or two.
the moops
Footballguy
There are degrees of lying, wouldn't you agree? Listen, there are plenty of things to attack Biden on. But when the opponent is Trump, I don't think accusing Biden of lying about what appears to be some minor things, is a good move.
Lutherman2112
Footballguy
sho nuff
Footballguy
Umm...ok, but not sure what that had to do with my comment or what I replied to...this wasn't about 2016 or Hillary. So just a deflection away from the ridiculous push by Trump about a comment from 1987 and a bogus throw in about Biden just being a suit?
sho nuff
Footballguy
And add in...lying about it in 1987 (not repeating it after that and discussing it later rather than continuing to lie about it...)
the moops
Footballguy
OK cool. Biden should be terminated from his job in the senate. Should we move onto the president and his "lying on a job application"?
The Commish
Footballguy
Again....you'd get WAY more drunk WAY faster if you applied this to Trump....these "games" are bizarre
Lutherman2112
Footballguy
A good read from January:
Trump campaign complains to debate commission about fairness
WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump’s campaign raised concerns to the nonpartisan presidential debate commission about fairness and the selection of moderators for the 2020 general election cycle, the campaign and the Commission on Presidential Debates confirmed Friday.
Trump campaign manager Brad Parscale and senior adviser Michael Glassner last month met with Frank Fahrenkopf, the co-founder and co-chairman of the Commission on Presidential Debates, to echo the president’s complaints about the upcoming debates.
“I look very much forward to debating whoever the lucky person is who stumbles across the finish line in the little watched Do Nothing Democrat Debates,” Trump tweeted last month.
“The problem,” Trump claimed, “is that the so-called Commission on Presidential Debates is stacked with Trump Haters & Never Trumpers. 3 years ago they were forced to publicly apologize for modulating my microphone in the first debate against Crooked Hillary. As President, the debates are up to me, and there are many options, including doing them directly & avoiding the nasty politics of this very biased Commission.”
In actuality, the commission acknowledged after the September 2016 debate at Hofstra University in New York that “there were issues regarding Donald Trump’s audio that affected the sound level in the debate hall,” but it did not apologize.
The Trump campaign indicated to the commission in the Dec. 19 meeting that it planned to have the president participate in the debates but wanted reassurances about the fairness of the process and floated the idea of skipping them.
The campaign has held internal discussions about going around the Commission on Presidential Debates this cycle in organizing debates with other organizations, officials said. But it acknowledged the logistical and legal hurdles that would have to be surmounted for that to happen and expressed the preference of working through the commission’s process.
The commission has already selected venues and dates for the cycle, cross-referencing religious holidays, the sports calendar and venue availability to select nights for three debates between the presidential nominees and one for the vice presidential nominees. The moderators won’t be selected until August, but the Trump campaign is seeking to influence their selection in advance.
“We want to have debates that are fair and are more geared toward informing the American people than to boosting the careers of the moderators,” said Tim Murtaugh, the Trump campaign’s communications director.
Trump’s advisers have seen no downside in pushing the commission, believing that there is an opportunity to work the refs for a friendly moderator now, before the Democrats select a nominee.
Trump’s distrust of the commission began even before the first general election debate in 2016, when he worried that the nonpartisan organization made up of longtime political insiders would be out to get him. He believed those fears were confirmed when he experienced audio issues in the debate hall in his first contest with Democrat Hillary Clinton. The television feed was unaffected.
The Trump campaign and the commission clashed ahead of the second debate, when the Trump campaign, in a surprise move, sought to use tickets reserved for family to seat women who accused Clinton’s husband, former President Bill Clinton, of sexual misconduct in the front of the debate hall. The campaign ultimately relented, having the women sit elsewhere in the hall.
Trump also repeatedly complained about Megyn Kelly, the-then Fox News host who was one of the moderators for the first Republican primary debate in 2015, believing her questions to him in the non-Commission on Presidential Debates event were unfair.
In the meeting, Fahrenkopf walked the Trump officials through the neutrality requirements for commission board members. The campaign’s meeting with the commission was first reported by The New York Times and The Washington Post.
It’s not unusual for campaigns to begin discussions with the Commission on Presidential Debates well before the quadrennial nominating conventions, as they seek to negotiate specific rules and influence the selection of moderators. To the commission, the Trump campaign effort is just a continuation of that tradition.
Trump campaign complains to debate commission about fairness
WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump’s campaign raised concerns to the nonpartisan presidential debate commission about fairness and the selection of moderators for the 2020 general election cycle, the campaign and the Commission on Presidential Debates confirmed Friday.
Trump campaign manager Brad Parscale and senior adviser Michael Glassner last month met with Frank Fahrenkopf, the co-founder and co-chairman of the Commission on Presidential Debates, to echo the president’s complaints about the upcoming debates.
“I look very much forward to debating whoever the lucky person is who stumbles across the finish line in the little watched Do Nothing Democrat Debates,” Trump tweeted last month.
“The problem,” Trump claimed, “is that the so-called Commission on Presidential Debates is stacked with Trump Haters & Never Trumpers. 3 years ago they were forced to publicly apologize for modulating my microphone in the first debate against Crooked Hillary. As President, the debates are up to me, and there are many options, including doing them directly & avoiding the nasty politics of this very biased Commission.”
In actuality, the commission acknowledged after the September 2016 debate at Hofstra University in New York that “there were issues regarding Donald Trump’s audio that affected the sound level in the debate hall,” but it did not apologize.
The Trump campaign indicated to the commission in the Dec. 19 meeting that it planned to have the president participate in the debates but wanted reassurances about the fairness of the process and floated the idea of skipping them.
The campaign has held internal discussions about going around the Commission on Presidential Debates this cycle in organizing debates with other organizations, officials said. But it acknowledged the logistical and legal hurdles that would have to be surmounted for that to happen and expressed the preference of working through the commission’s process.
The commission has already selected venues and dates for the cycle, cross-referencing religious holidays, the sports calendar and venue availability to select nights for three debates between the presidential nominees and one for the vice presidential nominees. The moderators won’t be selected until August, but the Trump campaign is seeking to influence their selection in advance.
“We want to have debates that are fair and are more geared toward informing the American people than to boosting the careers of the moderators,” said Tim Murtaugh, the Trump campaign’s communications director.
Trump’s advisers have seen no downside in pushing the commission, believing that there is an opportunity to work the refs for a friendly moderator now, before the Democrats select a nominee.
Trump’s distrust of the commission began even before the first general election debate in 2016, when he worried that the nonpartisan organization made up of longtime political insiders would be out to get him. He believed those fears were confirmed when he experienced audio issues in the debate hall in his first contest with Democrat Hillary Clinton. The television feed was unaffected.
The Trump campaign and the commission clashed ahead of the second debate, when the Trump campaign, in a surprise move, sought to use tickets reserved for family to seat women who accused Clinton’s husband, former President Bill Clinton, of sexual misconduct in the front of the debate hall. The campaign ultimately relented, having the women sit elsewhere in the hall.
Trump also repeatedly complained about Megyn Kelly, the-then Fox News host who was one of the moderators for the first Republican primary debate in 2015, believing her questions to him in the non-Commission on Presidential Debates event were unfair.
In the meeting, Fahrenkopf walked the Trump officials through the neutrality requirements for commission board members. The campaign’s meeting with the commission was first reported by The New York Times and The Washington Post.
It’s not unusual for campaigns to begin discussions with the Commission on Presidential Debates well before the quadrennial nominating conventions, as they seek to negotiate specific rules and influence the selection of moderators. To the commission, the Trump campaign effort is just a continuation of that tradition.
The General
Footballguy
Shutout
Footballguy
You were warned. Should have listened. A couple of you called it "shtick". Said it looked silly to say. What say you now?
sho nuff
Footballguy
Shutout
Footballguy
You don't understand the conversation or you're trolling. Either way, fine, let me explain since you either don't remember or didn't take the time to educate yourself by actually reading the discussion. I said clearly almost two years ago that Joe Biden was cognitively slipping. He was and it's obvious now tomthe point it's dangerous for our country. Deny till you die if you want but we have a problem here.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Yeah. If I say something like that,I believe it. I don’t trill for reaction. And I understand the discussion and you brought up the debates where he was fine. And if you want to being something more than some partial stuttering clips as evidence of cognitive decline…please bring it rather than those weak attempts at insulting me.
squistion
Footballguy
Shutout
Footballguy
You live in denial if you don't see it. No need to argue it.That you didn't know what you were talking about then and still don't now IMO.
Shutout
Footballguy
I post in here maybe once or two nights in a course of three months and each and every time you immediately act like a troll. I look at other people's responses to you and they say time and again and again the same as I do. You practically live on a forum board 24/7 and post ad naseum in a combative way to things that consistently are proven to be logical, common sense, and supported heavily.
I know what this is. You have a need for validation and a need to have a voice and no set of facts or common sense are going to stop you from getting an audience. I told you a long time ago I wasn't here to feed trolls like you. It's very fitting you're the first thing I see that pops it's head out from under the political bridge when I show up.
Think as you want. Troll how you want. But, as it always is with you, as soon as I ask you to put forth a logical discussion, you revert to this childish stuff. You'd think after all these years, you would have grown in some way.
Real simple, if you truly think that what you see out of how the president acts is just simple stuttering, then offer up why he refuses to take a cognitive test, why the WH refuses to even discuss with any press ANY questions asked about his medical status. Explain why none of this is anything to be concerned about and we will let it sit right here and let time sort it out.
You'll see. Knowing you, you'll deny it and never own it but you will know it.
sho nuff
Footballguy
You have done little more than make personal shots at me and call me childish? For questioning your post?
Have a nice night man…I have zero tome for that type of crap.
Shutout
Footballguy
I posted, YOU replied. YOU took the shot at me, not only here but in the one and only other thread I posted in today. YOU sought me out. But you just keep on playing the victim, my man. It suits you.
I would say have a good night to you and call it that but I can see even as I type this reply you have already posted yet another snotty reply in the other thread.
As I have asked you several times in the past, please leave me alone and just simp,y ignore my comments if theytrouble you so and I will gladly do the same to you.
squistion
Footballguy
Shutout
Footballguy
Sit back and watch. You will see if you are fair and unbiased. You probably already know on some level but I understand that doesn't jive with your desire to jump in with a quick one-liner intended to draw attention to yourself. The only thing missing was Kelsey saying "Buuuurn!!!"
squistion
Footballguy
You bump a thread that has been dormant for over a year to say "I told you so!" and at the same time you accuse others of attention seeking with no apparent sense of irony.
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Shutout
Footballguy
His response was not about the discussion. He missed the point. He has a long history with me (and apparently others) to love to play the contrarian protagonist.
I simply asked him to understand the post before replying or to just not stir the spot to get a reaction. This has been asked several times in the past.
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