The Adrian Peterson Hype (1 Viewer)

[JMJ]

3 out of Minnesota's 5 offensive lineman are STUDS!!!!!

Center Matt Birk, left guard Steve Hutchinson, and LT Bryant McKinnie are the single best trio on either side of any offensive line in the entire NFL.

Chester Taylor dominated last season running behind these guys. Chester "freaking" Taylor! Taylor had over 1,500 total yards running behind these guys last season and he is the definition of a JAG as a RB in the NFL.

From Center to LT there is nobody better in the entire NFL then Minnesota. I don't want to steal Adrian Peterson's thunder here 100%; he is a great back who runs with a unique blend of power, quickness, speed, and shiftiness ..... but Minnesota's OLine deserves 50% of this kid's credit. They are phenomenal!

Case in point right here:

Adrian Peterson is averaging 6.5 yards per carry on carries behind the left side of his OLine and 7.3 yards per carry on carries to the left sideline. This compares to 5.4 yards on carries behind the right side of his OLine, but only 4.1 yards per carry to the right sideline.

People really need to give Birk, Hutch, and McKinnie their just credit here. My lord! 6.5 yards per carry and 7.3 yards per carry on the two different types of runs to their side? That is unreal!

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/player...playerId=10452

 

[Phlash]

I think people are giving the O-line the credit. He's getting huge holes to run through, but then again they are not making the jukes/breaking tackles/running faster than anyone on defense.

 

[Sabertooth]

Look at what Chester has done with the same line. That's your baseline as Chester is an average NFL starter. Adrian is much better than that baseline.

 

[King of the Jungle]

It is really getting old that people are still looking for ways to take away from what AP is doing. The dude is a stud. Period. Get over the fact that you did not draft him.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Before yesterday the offensive line, particularly the left side, should have been offering refunds on their contracts.

They were outstanding yesterday, but trust me, that's not how it's been all season.

 

[Gordon Keith]

Before yesterday the offensive line, particularly the left side, should have been offering refunds on their contracts. They were outstanding yesterday, but trust me, that's not how it's been all season.

 

[Pipes]

It is really getting old that people are still looking for ways to take away from what AP is doing. The dude is a stud. Period. Get over the fact that you did not draft him.

Because someone wants to give credit to the offensive line I agree there's been some AP bashing on this board but I don't think this is the case here. It's also gone the other way too with one poster calling AP "The best he's ever seen." I do think AP may be the best RB in the NFL right now but to say the best ever may be a bit premature.

 

[JMJ]

It is really getting old that people are still looking for ways to take away from what AP is doing. The dude is a stud. Period. Get over the fact that you did not draft him.

 

[thehornet]

the O-line is good.

But did you see how fast he gets to the oustside and then just bursts down the sideline. Just amazing stuff.

 

[428143]

Every starting back in the NFL would put up decent numbers behind the Minnesota run-blocking unit, as they are superb. However, it is clear that Peterson is not a run-of-the mill back, and can take full advantage of his surrounding talent. Now if they get a QB...move over Emmitt...

 

[plymkr]

Peterson is awesome. How they run for that many yards with no threat of a passing gane is amazing. Although I do think that no passing game contributes to the long TD runs because the secondary is cheating up to stop the run. When ADP jukes the safeties butts 8 yards past the LOS there is no one else back there to stop him.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Peterson is awesome. How they run for that many yards with no threat of a passing gane is amazing. Although I do think that no passing game contributes to the long TD runs because the secondary is cheating up to stop the run. When ADP jukes the safeties butts 8 yards past the LOS there is no one else back there to stop him.

This is true. It's the same thing that happened in the Bears game. He hits the hole so fast, that the eight in the box experience before they know what happened. And he's not going to get tackled by a safety going one on one in the open field.

 

[JMJ]

Every starting back in the NFL would put up decent numbers behind the Minnesota run-blocking unit, as they are superb. However, it is clear that Peterson is not a run-of-the mill back, and can take full advantage of his surrounding talent. Now if they get a QB...move over Emmitt...

This is EXACTLY the point of this thread. I wrote in my OP that I know he has an extremely unique blend of power, speed, quickness, vision, elusiveness, etc, etc.However, would he be doing this behind the Jets offensive line? I'm a Jets fan and I can give you the answer .... the answer is, "NO!" Thomas Jones is eluding (or attempting to elude) would-be tacklers as soon as he touches the ball in the backfield or at best no further then the line of scrimmage.ADP is blowing by linebackers and secondaries, yes, but that is because he is full speed ahead before he even reaches them. He rarely ever has to elude the first would-be tackler at the line of scrimmage. He is always at the 2nd or 3rd level when he reaches them.So with that said .... he is an AMAZING talent .... but his OLine needs just as much credit as him because he would still be great, but not doing anything close to what he is doing now if he was on 90% of the other teams in the NFL.He is the perfect back for the perfect situation as he and his OLine compliment each other ..... perfectly.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Would you guys please see if you can get copies of the performances of the o-line in games other than the one played yesterday.

Yesterday was an aberration compared to the rest of the season to date and AP was putting up numbers DESPITE their poor performances.

 

[by_tor]

3 out of Minnesota's 5 offensive lineman are STUDS!!!!!

Center Matt Birk, left guard Steve Hutchinson, and LT Bryant McKinnie are the single best trio on either side of any offensive line in the entire NFL.

Chester Taylor dominated last season running behind these guys. Chester "freaking" Taylor! Taylor had over 1,500 total yards running behind these guys last season and he is the definition of a JAG as a RB in the NFL.

From Center to LT there is nobody better in the entire NFL then Minnesota. I don't want to steal Adrian Peterson's thunder here 100%; he is a great back who runs with a unique blend of power, quickness, speed, and shiftiness ..... but Minnesota's OLine deserves 50% of this kid's credit. They are phenomenal!

Case in point right here:

Adrian Peterson is averaging 6.5 yards per carry on carries behind the left side of his OLine and 7.3 yards per carry on carries to the left sideline. This compares to 5.4 yards on carries behind the right side of his OLine, but only 4.1 yards per carry to the right sideline.

People really need to give Birk, Hutch, and McKinnie their just credit here. My lord! 6.5 yards per carry and 7.3 yards per carry on the two different types of runs to their side? That is unreal!

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/player...playerId=10452

O-line's get the same credit that personal assistants, secretaries, and steve tasker get- the beneficiaries of their tremendous efforts know that it can't be done without them and those who analyze the big picture will recognize too... -but right now? the vikes o-line is not being overlooked so much as AD is being properly praised (as were JLewis/CDillon on their big days)

 

[beergut]

He is the perfect back for the perfect situation as he and his OLine compliment each other ..... perfectly.

This is exactly right!

 

[JMJ]

Would you guys please see if you can get copies of the performances of the o-line in games other than the one played yesterday.

Yesterday was an aberration compared to the rest of the season to date and AP was putting up numbers DESPITE their poor performances.

Taken directly from the OP. Are you sure you would say that yesterday was an abberation and guys like Birk, Hutchinson, and McKinnie (all multiple time Pro Bowlers before AP) have not been playing well this year?

Adrian Peterson is averaging 6.5 yards per carry on carries behind the left side of his OLine and 7.3 yards per carry on carries to the left sideline. This compares to 5.4 yards on carries behind the right side of his OLine, but only 4.1 yards per carry to the right sideline.

Edited to add:McKinnie might not have went to a pro bowl yet but is a top 5-7 LT in all of football and massive, MASSIVE run blocker.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Would you guys please see if you can get copies of the performances of the o-line in games other than the one played yesterday.

Yesterday was an aberration compared to the rest of the season to date and AP was putting up numbers DESPITE their poor performances.

Taken directly from the OP. Are you sure you would say that yesterday was an abberation and guys like Birk, Hutchinson, and McKinnie (all multiple time Pro Bowlers before AP) have not been playing well this year?

Adrian Peterson is averaging 6.5 yards per carry on carries behind the left side of his OLine and 7.3 yards per carry on carries to the left sideline. This compares to 5.4 yards on carries behind the right side of his OLine, but only 4.1 yards per carry to the right sideline.

Edited to add:McKinnie might not have went to a pro bowl yet but is a top 5-7 LT in all of football and massive, MASSIVE run blocker.

Yes, I would say that yesterday was an aberration and guys like Birk, Hutchinson, and McKinnie (all multiple time Pro Bowlers before AP) have not been playing well this year.

 

[craigboy]

Would you guys please see if you can get copies of the performances of the o-line in games other than the one played yesterday.

Yesterday was an aberration compared to the rest of the season to date and AP was putting up numbers DESPITE their poor performances.

Taken directly from the OP. Are you sure you would say that yesterday was an abberation and guys like Birk, Hutchinson, and McKinnie (all multiple time Pro Bowlers before AP) have not been playing well this year?

Adrian Peterson is averaging 6.5 yards per carry on carries behind the left side of his OLine and 7.3 yards per carry on carries to the left sideline. This compares to 5.4 yards on carries behind the right side of his OLine, but only 4.1 yards per carry to the right sideline.

Edited to add:McKinnie might not have went to a pro bowl yet but is a top 5-7 LT in all of football and massive, MASSIVE run blocker.

Ask any Viking fan about McKinnie and they will tell you he's been stealing a pay check almost all year.The is no doubt Hutch is one of the top 5 OLinemen in the game (Look at SA since he left) and Birk is way above average, but McKinnie is an average tackle at best

 

[OU#1]

Yeah he clearly sucks and would only have 400 yards instead of 1000 without that O-Line.

At OU his line was average at best (unlike this year) and he put up these performances more often than not. I wonder how many yards he would have if he would have stayed for his senior season because OU's line this year is one of the best in Division I.

His freshman year he ran for 1900 yards and didn't start till after the Texas game. He did most of that on raw talent alone, just like he did in his first few NFL games. You are seeing what he can do now that he has settled in to the NFL game and his O-Line has really been clicking since the bye week. He's also starting, getting 30 carries per game, and Chili is not abandoning the run like he did in the first four games.

Exactly how many yards would Reggie Bush get behind this line? I'm thinking he'd be dancing around back there instead of hitting the holes hard like ADP does. So do you think Thomas Jones, or Cedric Benson, or Rudi Johnson is going to get 296 yards yesterday behind that line? The only person that I think could do that is LT, and even then I don't know if he has the speed or power to finish runs like ADP does. Actually LT probably would have ran out of bounds on a couple of those long runs. FWP maybe? Addai perhaps? Portis ran for 196 yesterday so maybe him? I think they all come up short but that's my opinion.

His line is probably the best in the NFL but don't kid yourself into believing that ADP is just another good NFL running back. He will rewrite history time and time again if he can stay healthy.

 

[JMJ]

Would you guys please see if you can get copies of the performances of the o-line in games other than the one played yesterday.

Yesterday was an aberration compared to the rest of the season to date and AP was putting up numbers DESPITE their poor performances.

Taken directly from the OP. Are you sure you would say that yesterday was an abberation and guys like Birk, Hutchinson, and McKinnie (all multiple time Pro Bowlers before AP) have not been playing well this year?

Adrian Peterson is averaging 6.5 yards per carry on carries behind the left side of his OLine and 7.3 yards per carry on carries to the left sideline. This compares to 5.4 yards on carries behind the right side of his OLine, but only 4.1 yards per carry to the right sideline.

Edited to add:McKinnie might not have went to a pro bowl yet but is a top 5-7 LT in all of football and massive, MASSIVE run blocker.

Ask any Viking fan about McKinnie and they will tell you he's been stealing a pay check almost all year.The is no doubt Hutch is one of the top 5 OLinemen in the game (Look at SA since he left) and Birk is way above average, but McKinnie is an average tackle at best

Run blocking?

 

[JMJ]

Yeah he clearly sucks and would only have 400 yards instead of 1000 without that O-Line.

At OU his line was average at best (unlike this year) and he put up these performances more often than not. I wonder how many yards he would have if he would have stayed for his senior season because OU's line this year is one of the best in Division I.

His freshman year he ran for 1900 yards and didn't start till after the Texas game. He did most of that on raw talent alone, just like he did in his first few NFL games. You are seeing what he can do now that he has settled in to the NFL game and his O-Line has really been clicking since the bye week. He's also starting, getting 30 carries per game, and Chili is not abandoning the run like he did in the first four games.

Exactly how many yards would Reggie Bush get behind this line? I'm thinking he'd be dancing around back there instead of hitting the holes hard like ADP does. So do you think Thomas Jones, or Cedric Benson, or Rudi Johnson is going to get 296 yards yesterday behind that line? The only person that I think could do that is LT, and even then I don't know if he has the speed or power to finish runs like ADP does. Actually LT probably would have ran out of bounds on a couple of those long runs. FWP maybe? Addai perhaps? Portis ran for 196 yesterday so maybe him? I think they all come up short but that's my opinion.

His line is probably the best in the NFL but don't kid yourself into believing that ADP is just another good NFL running back. He will rewrite history time and time again if he can stay healthy.

Who said that?

 

[OU#1]

Yeah he clearly sucks and would only have 400 yards instead of 1000 without that O-Line.

At OU his line was average at best (unlike this year) and he put up these performances more often than not. I wonder how many yards he would have if he would have stayed for his senior season because OU's line this year is one of the best in Division I.

His freshman year he ran for 1900 yards and didn't start till after the Texas game. He did most of that on raw talent alone, just like he did in his first few NFL games. You are seeing what he can do now that he has settled in to the NFL game and his O-Line has really been clicking since the bye week. He's also starting, getting 30 carries per game, and Chili is not abandoning the run like he did in the first four games.

Exactly how many yards would Reggie Bush get behind this line? I'm thinking he'd be dancing around back there instead of hitting the holes hard like ADP does. So do you think Thomas Jones, or Cedric Benson, or Rudi Johnson is going to get 296 yards yesterday behind that line? The only person that I think could do that is LT, and even then I don't know if he has the speed or power to finish runs like ADP does. Actually LT probably would have ran out of bounds on a couple of those long runs. FWP maybe? Addai perhaps? Portis ran for 196 yesterday so maybe him? I think they all come up short but that's my opinion.

His line is probably the best in the NFL but don't kid yourself into believing that ADP is just another good NFL running back. He will rewrite history time and time again if he can stay healthy.

Who said that?

I did...you quoted me saying it.

 

[shakeybarn]

good post/points... however, if you want to give credited to an o-line.... gotta give it to New England. i know that get some mentions, but not enough, IMHO.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

McKinnie is an average tackle at best

Run blocking?

Even his run blocking has been average. Not dominant.

 

[JMJ]

Yeah he clearly sucks and would only have 400 yards instead of 1000 without that O-Line.

At OU his line was average at best (unlike this year) and he put up these performances more often than not. I wonder how many yards he would have if he would have stayed for his senior season because OU's line this year is one of the best in Division I.

His freshman year he ran for 1900 yards and didn't start till after the Texas game. He did most of that on raw talent alone, just like he did in his first few NFL games. You are seeing what he can do now that he has settled in to the NFL game and his O-Line has really been clicking since the bye week. He's also starting, getting 30 carries per game, and Chili is not abandoning the run like he did in the first four games.

Exactly how many yards would Reggie Bush get behind this line? I'm thinking he'd be dancing around back there instead of hitting the holes hard like ADP does. So do you think Thomas Jones, or Cedric Benson, or Rudi Johnson is going to get 296 yards yesterday behind that line? The only person that I think could do that is LT, and even then I don't know if he has the speed or power to finish runs like ADP does. Actually LT probably would have ran out of bounds on a couple of those long runs. FWP maybe? Addai perhaps? Portis ran for 196 yesterday so maybe him? I think they all come up short but that's my opinion.

His line is probably the best in the NFL but don't kid yourself into believing that ADP is just another good NFL running back. He will rewrite history time and time again if he can stay healthy.

Who said that?

I did...you quoted me saying it.

By saying, "Yeah," first it insinuates you're agreeing with someone who said it previously. Who said it previously?

 

[craigboy]

Would you guys please see if you can get copies of the performances of the o-line in games other than the one played yesterday.

Yesterday was an aberration compared to the rest of the season to date and AP was putting up numbers DESPITE their poor performances.

Taken directly from the OP. Are you sure you would say that yesterday was an abberation and guys like Birk, Hutchinson, and McKinnie (all multiple time Pro Bowlers before AP) have not been playing well this year?

Adrian Peterson is averaging 6.5 yards per carry on carries behind the left side of his OLine and 7.3 yards per carry on carries to the left sideline. This compares to 5.4 yards on carries behind the right side of his OLine, but only 4.1 yards per carry to the right sideline.

Edited to add:McKinnie might not have went to a pro bowl yet but is a top 5-7 LT in all of football and massive, MASSIVE run blocker.

Ask any Viking fan about McKinnie and they will tell you he's been stealing a pay check almost all year.The is no doubt Hutch is one of the top 5 OLinemen in the game (Look at SA since he left) and Birk is way above average, but McKinnie is an average tackle at best

Run blocking?

Yup, he's never been known for his run blocking. Even coming out of Miami he was always known for his pass blocking.

 

[OU#1]

Yeah he clearly sucks and would only have 400 yards instead of 1000 without that O-Line.

At OU his line was average at best (unlike this year) and he put up these performances more often than not. I wonder how many yards he would have if he would have stayed for his senior season because OU's line this year is one of the best in Division I.

His freshman year he ran for 1900 yards and didn't start till after the Texas game. He did most of that on raw talent alone, just like he did in his first few NFL games. You are seeing what he can do now that he has settled in to the NFL game and his O-Line has really been clicking since the bye week. He's also starting, getting 30 carries per game, and Chili is not abandoning the run like he did in the first four games.

Exactly how many yards would Reggie Bush get behind this line? I'm thinking he'd be dancing around back there instead of hitting the holes hard like ADP does. So do you think Thomas Jones, or Cedric Benson, or Rudi Johnson is going to get 296 yards yesterday behind that line? The only person that I think could do that is LT, and even then I don't know if he has the speed or power to finish runs like ADP does. Actually LT probably would have ran out of bounds on a couple of those long runs. FWP maybe? Addai perhaps? Portis ran for 196 yesterday so maybe him? I think they all come up short but that's my opinion.

His line is probably the best in the NFL but don't kid yourself into believing that ADP is just another good NFL running back. He will rewrite history time and time again if he can stay healthy.

Who said that?

I did...you quoted me saying it.

By saying, "Yeah," first it insinuates you're agreeing with someone who said it previously. Who said it previously?

Perhaps not in this post. Obviously you covered your bases by saying "He does this and that and he's great" so you didn't say it. Search around all the ADP posts and read up on the many (STILL) non-believers. It seems many here don't believe in ADP and want to deny his rare talent. Posts like this are just ways of trying to justify that denial. Folks keep trying to find reasons why ADP is doing his thing other than the obvious reason that ADP is actually a very good RB.

 

[JMJ]

Would you guys please see if you can get copies of the performances of the o-line in games other than the one played yesterday.

Yesterday was an aberration compared to the rest of the season to date and AP was putting up numbers DESPITE their poor performances.

Taken directly from the OP. Are you sure you would say that yesterday was an abberation and guys like Birk, Hutchinson, and McKinnie (all multiple time Pro Bowlers before AP) have not been playing well this year?

Adrian Peterson is averaging 6.5 yards per carry on carries behind the left side of his OLine and 7.3 yards per carry on carries to the left sideline. This compares to 5.4 yards on carries behind the right side of his OLine, but only 4.1 yards per carry to the right sideline.

Edited to add:McKinnie might not have went to a pro bowl yet but is a top 5-7 LT in all of football and massive, MASSIVE run blocker.

Ask any Viking fan about McKinnie and they will tell you he's been stealing a pay check almost all year.The is no doubt Hutch is one of the top 5 OLinemen in the game (Look at SA since he left) and Birk is way above average, but McKinnie is an average tackle at best

Run blocking?

Yup, he's never been known for his run blocking. Even coming out of Miami he was always known for his pass blocking.

The dude is 6'8'', 335 lbs. and more athletic then you or I in our prime.2007 Scouting Report - Scouts Inc.

Comment: McKinnie has developed into a premier NFL left tackle. McKinnie is enormous with the combination of tremendous wingspan and outstanding feet that can dominate even elite pass rushers when protecting the quarterback's backside. McKinnie has dramatically improved his run blocking ablity to become a better knee bender getting his pad level lower to use his long arms on defenders with enough power to drive them off the line of scrimmage. At the point of attack, McKinnie will engulf defenders when he gets his hands on them. McKinnie has a quick first step and he also has improved his comfort level, understanding of angles and quickness in getting the backside cut off blocks as well as his range moving to the second level to block linebackers. In pass protection, McKinnie continues to refine his technique able to remain in good body control facing high arc speed rushers as well as the quickness of double move rushers while still able to anchor down versus a power bull rusher. The ability to handle any style of pass rusher is rare but McKinnie has the size, strength and athletic ability to do just that. McKinnie's continued development matched with his massive size and impressive athleticism will move him to the elite category among NFL left tackles.

Also,

ADP is averaging 7.3 yards per carry on runs to the left sideline. How is McKinnie's run blocking there?

 

[JMJ]

Yeah he clearly sucks and would only have 400 yards instead of 1000 without that O-Line.

At OU his line was average at best (unlike this year) and he put up these performances more often than not. I wonder how many yards he would have if he would have stayed for his senior season because OU's line this year is one of the best in Division I.

His freshman year he ran for 1900 yards and didn't start till after the Texas game. He did most of that on raw talent alone, just like he did in his first few NFL games. You are seeing what he can do now that he has settled in to the NFL game and his O-Line has really been clicking since the bye week. He's also starting, getting 30 carries per game, and Chili is not abandoning the run like he did in the first four games.

Exactly how many yards would Reggie Bush get behind this line? I'm thinking he'd be dancing around back there instead of hitting the holes hard like ADP does. So do you think Thomas Jones, or Cedric Benson, or Rudi Johnson is going to get 296 yards yesterday behind that line? The only person that I think could do that is LT, and even then I don't know if he has the speed or power to finish runs like ADP does. Actually LT probably would have ran out of bounds on a couple of those long runs. FWP maybe? Addai perhaps? Portis ran for 196 yesterday so maybe him? I think they all come up short but that's my opinion.

His line is probably the best in the NFL but don't kid yourself into believing that ADP is just another good NFL running back. He will rewrite history time and time again if he can stay healthy.

Who said that?

I did...you quoted me saying it.

By saying, "Yeah," first it insinuates you're agreeing with someone who said it previously. Who said it previously?

Perhaps not in this post. Obviously you covered your bases by saying "He does this and that and he's great" so you didn't say it. Search around all the ADP posts and read up on the many (STILL) non-believers. It seems many here don't believe in ADP and want to deny his rare talent. Posts like this are just ways of trying to justify that denial. Folks keep trying to find reasons why ADP is doing his thing other than the obvious reason that ADP is actually a very good RB.

He is not a very good RB ...... he is an EXCELLENT RB. But, answer the question I posed earlier:Would he be doing what he is doing now if he were running behind the NY Jets OLine?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

The dude is 6'8'', 335 lbs. and more athletic then you or I in our prime.

2007 Scouting Report - Scouts Inc.

Comment: McKinnie has developed into a premier NFL left tackle. McKinnie is enormous with the combination of tremendous wingspan and outstanding feet that can dominate even elite pass rushers when protecting the quarterback's backside. McKinnie has dramatically improved his run blocking ablity to become a better knee bender getting his pad level lower to use his long arms on defenders with enough power to drive them off the line of scrimmage. At the point of attack, McKinnie will engulf defenders when he gets his hands on them. McKinnie has a quick first step and he also has improved his comfort level, understanding of angles and quickness in getting the backside cut off blocks as well as his range moving to the second level to block linebackers. In pass protection, McKinnie continues to refine his technique able to remain in good body control facing high arc speed rushers as well as the quickness of double move rushers while still able to anchor down versus a power bull rusher. The ability to handle any style of pass rusher is rare but McKinnie has the size, strength and athletic ability to do just that. McKinnie's continued development matched with his massive size and impressive athleticism will move him to the elite category among NFL left tackles.

Also,

ADP is averaging 7.3 yards per carry on runs to the left sideline. How is McKinnie's run blocking there?

That report describes a different player from what we've been seeing in Minnesota this year.Why is it so hard to believe that AP has been doing a lot of this on his own. LT was also dominant when his line stunk four years ago.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Would he be doing what he is doing now if he were running behind the NY Jets OLine?

No. But there are probably a dozen other teams in the league that he would be.Cherry picking the worst line in the league to prove your point doesn't prove your point.

 

[NatronIsMean]

Lets consider this as well:

Team like SD and CHI are selling out to stop the run, as Minnesota can barely pass the ball. So while the oline has been impressive, the defenses are game-planning to stop AP. A good measure might be to look at how many long runs Taylor had last year behind that line.

On every long run, Peterson has had a broken tackle, superb cut back, very sharp cut, etc. That followed by insane speed is the answer to why he's doing what he's doing. The line is a key factor, but this simply isn't happening with Chester Taylor back there in his place.

 

[JMJ]

Would he be doing what he is doing now if he were running behind the NY Jets OLine?

No. But there are probably a dozen other teams in the league that he would be.Cherry picking the worst line in the league to prove your point doesn't prove your point.

I'm a Jets fan and have to suffer the misery of watching them attempt to run block each week. I apologize if I can't get the view out of my head. Honestly though, Minnesota and ADP were made for each other at this point in time. Again, what other line in the NFL has a top 3 that can rival Hutch, Birk, and McKinnie?I can't think of one ..... can you?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Would he be doing what he is doing now if he were running behind the NY Jets OLine?

No. But there are probably a dozen other teams in the league that he would be.Cherry picking the worst line in the league to prove your point doesn't prove your point.

I'm a Jets fan and have to suffer the misery of watching them attempt to run block each week. I apologize if I can get the view out of my head. Honestly though, Minnesota and ADP were made for each other at this point in time. Again, what other line in the NFL has a top 3 that can rival Hutch, Birk, and McKinnie?I can't think of one ..... can you?

No. My only point was that up until yesterday, AP had been making a lot of his success on his own. If the line can consistently play like they did yesterday, they will be a dangerous team.

 

[NatronIsMean]

Would he be doing what he is doing now if he were running behind the NY Jets OLine?

No. But there are probably a dozen other teams in the league that he would be.Cherry picking the worst line in the league to prove your point doesn't prove your point.

I'm a Jets fan and have to suffer the misery of watching them attempt to run block each week. I apologize if I can get the view out of my head. Honestly though, Minnesota and ADP were made for each other at this point in time. Again, what other line in the NFL has a top 3 that can rival Hutch, Birk, and McKinnie?I can't think of one ..... can you?

Granted, but their offensive (lack of) balance doesn't do him any favors, either. I think the oline vs miserable offensive support equals out in his favor, but not by a lot.

 

[Donnybrook]

Would he be doing what he is doing now if he were running behind the NY Jets OLine?

No. But there are probably a dozen other teams in the league that he would be.Cherry picking the worst line in the league to prove your point doesn't prove your point.

I'm a Jets fan and have to suffer the misery of watching them attempt to run block each week. I apologize if I can get the view out of my head. Honestly though, Minnesota and ADP were made for each other at this point in time. Again, what other line in the NFL has a top 3 that can rival Hutch, Birk, and McKinnie?I can't think of one ..... can you?

Granted, but their offensive (lack of) balance doesn't do him any favors, either. I think the oline vs miserable offensive support equals out in his favor, but not by a lot.

I always thought that the "need balance" arguments were overstated. Did Kansas City have a great passing game when their O-line was dominate and Larry Johnson was tearing it up? Did Baltimore have a passing game when Jamal Lewis was setting rushing records?

 

[gianmarco]

Would he be doing what he is doing now if he were running behind the NY Jets OLine?

No. But there are probably a dozen other teams in the league that he would be.Cherry picking the worst line in the league to prove your point doesn't prove your point.

I'm a Jets fan and have to suffer the misery of watching them attempt to run block each week. I apologize if I can get the view out of my head. Honestly though, Minnesota and ADP were made for each other at this point in time. Again, what other line in the NFL has a top 3 that can rival Hutch, Birk, and McKinnie?I can't think of one ..... can you?

Granted, but their offensive (lack of) balance doesn't do him any favors, either. I think the oline vs miserable offensive support equals out in his favor, but not by a lot.

I always thought that the "need balance" arguments were overstated. Did Kansas City have a great passing game when their O-line was dominate and Larry Johnson was tearing it up? Did Baltimore have a passing game when Jamal Lewis was setting rushing records?

Yes, they did. During those years when Priest was so successful, T. Green was putting up 4000 yd seasons. Their WR's were average at best, but KC definitely had a pass game, even if it was mostly Gonzo. Minn doesn't even have that, as much fun as it is to say Shiancoe's name. Less so for Balt, but they still had Heap and he had the benefit of playing the Browns twice that year, where he gained 1/4th of his season's total in 2 games.

 

[ratpfink]

Would you guys please see if you can get copies of the performances of the o-line in games other than the one played yesterday.

Yesterday was an aberration compared to the rest of the season to date and AP was putting up numbers DESPITE their poor performances.

Taken directly from the OP. Are you sure you would say that yesterday was an abberation and guys like Birk, Hutchinson, and McKinnie (all multiple time Pro Bowlers before AP) have not been playing well this year?

Adrian Peterson is averaging 6.5 yards per carry on carries behind the left side of his OLine and 7.3 yards per carry on carries to the left sideline. This compares to 5.4 yards on carries behind the right side of his OLine, but only 4.1 yards per carry to the right sideline.

Edited to add:McKinnie might not have went to a pro bowl yet but is a top 5-7 LT in all of football and massive, MASSIVE run blocker.

McKinnie has never, never been a dominate run blocker.The Vikes o-line has been overrated for a couple of seasons now, probably by people that never watch them play.

 

[jurrassic]

All I know is I drafted Palmer over Peterson. That will never happen again.

 

[Donnybrook]

Would he be doing what he is doing now if he were running behind the NY Jets OLine?

No. But there are probably a dozen other teams in the league that he would be.Cherry picking the worst line in the league to prove your point doesn't prove your point.

I'm a Jets fan and have to suffer the misery of watching them attempt to run block each week. I apologize if I can get the view out of my head. Honestly though, Minnesota and ADP were made for each other at this point in time. Again, what other line in the NFL has a top 3 that can rival Hutch, Birk, and McKinnie?I can't think of one ..... can you?

Granted, but their offensive (lack of) balance doesn't do him any favors, either. I think the oline vs miserable offensive support equals out in his favor, but not by a lot.

I always thought that the "need balance" arguments were overstated. Did Kansas City have a great passing game when their O-line was dominate and Larry Johnson was tearing it up? Did Baltimore have a passing game when Jamal Lewis was setting rushing records?

Yes, they did. During those years when Priest was so successful, T. Green was putting up 4000 yd seasons. Their WR's were average at best, but KC definitely had a pass game, even if it was mostly Gonzo. Minn doesn't even have that, as much fun as it is to say Shiancoe's name. Less so for Balt, but they still had Heap and he had the benefit of playing the Browns twice that year, where he gained 1/4th of his season's total in 2 games.

I was referring to the Larry Johnson era rather than Priest era. There was less balance in 2005 and 2006 KC rushing attack but they did OK. Vikings have the benefit of having a decent defense. They have not been blown out this year and have not had to abandon the run. (Hopefully this does not jinx them.)

 

[gianmarco]

All I know is I drafted Palmer over Peterson. That will never happen again.

Not unless you plan on drafting Palmer #1 overall.

 

[gianmarco]

Would he be doing what he is doing now if he were running behind the NY Jets OLine?

No. But there are probably a dozen other teams in the league that he would be.Cherry picking the worst line in the league to prove your point doesn't prove your point.

I'm a Jets fan and have to suffer the misery of watching them attempt to run block each week. I apologize if I can get the view out of my head. Honestly though, Minnesota and ADP were made for each other at this point in time. Again, what other line in the NFL has a top 3 that can rival Hutch, Birk, and McKinnie?I can't think of one ..... can you?

Granted, but their offensive (lack of) balance doesn't do him any favors, either. I think the oline vs miserable offensive support equals out in his favor, but not by a lot.

I always thought that the "need balance" arguments were overstated. Did Kansas City have a great passing game when their O-line was dominate and Larry Johnson was tearing it up? Did Baltimore have a passing game when Jamal Lewis was setting rushing records?

Yes, they did. During those years when Priest was so successful, T. Green was putting up 4000 yd seasons. Their WR's were average at best, but KC definitely had a pass game, even if it was mostly Gonzo. Minn doesn't even have that, as much fun as it is to say Shiancoe's name. Less so for Balt, but they still had Heap and he had the benefit of playing the Browns twice that year, where he gained 1/4th of his season's total in 2 games.

I was referring to the Larry Johnson era rather than Priest era. There was less balance in 2005 and 2006 KC rushing attack but they did OK. Vikings have the benefit of having a decent defense. They have not been blown out this year and have not had to abandon the run. (Hopefully this does not jinx them.)

In 2005 they threw for 3800 yds. Last year, in 2006, their O-Line was no longer dominant as it had been the previous few years. LJ got a lot of what he did last year because of talent alone and the aid of 416 carries. I agree that the "need balance" arguments are sometimes overused and that there are exceptions to that, but when KC was putting up big rushing #'s behind that O-line, their passing game was also putting up some pretty big #'s as well. But, while it's not necessary to be successful at running the ball, a passing game does help open things up. Peterson is getting zero help in that area and won't for the remainder of the year. Scary to think that even the threat of passing game could make things even easier for him.

 

[30283]

Would you guys please see if you can get copies of the performances of the o-line in games other than the one played yesterday.

Yesterday was an aberration compared to the rest of the season to date and AP was putting up numbers DESPITE their poor performances.

Taken directly from the OP. Are you sure you would say that yesterday was an abberation and guys like Birk, Hutchinson, and McKinnie (all multiple time Pro Bowlers before AP) have not been playing well this year?

Adrian Peterson is averaging 6.5 yards per carry on carries behind the left side of his OLine and 7.3 yards per carry on carries to the left sideline. This compares to 5.4 yards on carries behind the right side of his OLine, but only 4.1 yards per carry to the right sideline.

Edited to add:McKinnie might not have went to a pro bowl yet but is a top 5-7 LT in all of football and massive, MASSIVE run blocker.

Ask any Viking fan about McKinnie and they will tell you he's been stealing a pay check almost all year.The is no doubt Hutch is one of the top 5 OLinemen in the game (Look at SA since he left) and Birk is way above average, but McKinnie is an average tackle at best

McKinnie is known as a very good pass protector, not so great as a run blocker

 

[corpcow]

Every starting back in the NFL would put up decent numbers behind the Minnesota run-blocking unit, as they are superb. However, it is clear that Peterson is not a run-of-the mill back, and can take full advantage of his surrounding talent. Now if they get a QB...move over Emmitt...

This is EXACTLY the point of this thread. I wrote in my OP that I know he has an extremely unique blend of power, speed, quickness, vision, elusiveness, etc, etc.However, would he be doing this behind the Jets offensive line? I'm a Jets fan and I can give you the answer .... the answer is, "NO!" Thomas Jones is eluding (or attempting to elude) would-be tacklers as soon as he touches the ball in the backfield or at best no further then the line of scrimmage.ADP is blowing by linebackers and secondaries, yes, but that is because he is full speed ahead before he even reaches them. He rarely ever has to elude the first would-be tackler at the line of scrimmage. He is always at the 2nd or 3rd level when he reaches them.So with that said .... he is an AMAZING talent .... but his OLine needs just as much credit as him because he would still be great, but not doing anything close to what he is doing now if he was on 90% of the other teams in the NFL.He is the perfect back for the perfect situation as he and his OLine compliment each other ..... perfectly.

Exactly. This is precisely the reason I was so high on him this year and grabbed him in any league I could. I've been saying this all summer - this is one of, if not the best, offensive line in the league especially on the left side. People were looking at Chester's numbers last year thinking that Chester would hold back Peterson, but Chester didn't create much last year and most of those numbers were the result of this line. Now you have a back who can actually create plays on his own behind this amazing line and you're setting records.

 

[Hinezer]

Would you guys please see if you can get copies of the performances of the o-line in games other than the one played yesterday.

Yesterday was an aberration compared to the rest of the season to date and AP was putting up numbers DESPITE their poor performances.

Taken directly from the OP. Are you sure you would say that yesterday was an abberation and guys like Birk, Hutchinson, and McKinnie (all multiple time Pro Bowlers before AP) have not been playing well this year?

Adrian Peterson is averaging 6.5 yards per carry on carries behind the left side of his OLine and 7.3 yards per carry on carries to the left sideline. This compares to 5.4 yards on carries behind the right side of his OLine, but only 4.1 yards per carry to the right sideline.

Edited to add:McKinnie might not have went to a pro bowl yet but is a top 5-7 LT in all of football and massive, MASSIVE run blocker.

Ask any Viking fan about McKinnie and they will tell you he's been stealing a pay check almost all year.The is no doubt Hutch is one of the top 5 OLinemen in the game (Look at SA since he left) and Birk is way above average, but McKinnie is an average tackle at best

McKinnie is known as a very good pass protector, not so great as a run blocker

That was true early in his career when he struggled in run blocking, but I think he's developed into a very good run blocker. What keeps McKinnie from being a great LT is his problems stopping speed rushers.The Vikings O-Line is built around run blocking. Yesterday they created some of biggest holes I've ever seen. But they still struggle at times protecting the QB.

 

[qimqam]

Show me a good running back that doesn't have a good offensive line.

Look at San Diego ... Is Michael Turner great? I promise you he would not Average 6 yards per carry on another team.

Look at LJ and SJ ...When their line was great they were great when their line sucked so did they.

It's what peterson does after he gets through the hole that makes makes him great. The Oline doesn't run 20, 40 or 70 yards down the field along side of Peterson.

 

[Dodge]

I just loved that in the beginning of October I traded to get him! Love it!

I traded Willie Parker/Deion Branch for Brett Favre/ADP! I love it.

 

[craigboy]

Would he be doing what he is doing now if he were running behind the NY Jets OLine?

No. But there are probably a dozen other teams in the league that he would be.Cherry picking the worst line in the league to prove your point doesn't prove your point.

I'm a Jets fan and have to suffer the misery of watching them attempt to run block each week. I apologize if I can get the view out of my head. Honestly though, Minnesota and ADP were made for each other at this point in time. Again, what other line in the NFL has a top 3 that can rival Hutch, Birk, and McKinnie?

I can't think of one ..... can you?

Granted, but their offensive (lack of) balance doesn't do him any favors, either. I think the oline vs miserable offensive support equals out in his favor, but not by a lot.

I always thought that the "need balance" arguments were overstated. Did Kansas City have a great passing game when their O-line was dominate and Larry Johnson was tearing it up? Did Baltimore have a passing game when Jamal Lewis was setting rushing records?

Yes, they did. During those years when Priest was so successful, T. Green was putting up 4000 yd seasons. Their WR's were average at best, but KC definitely had a pass game, even if it was mostly Gonzo. Minn doesn't even have that, as much fun as it is to say Shiancoe's name. Less so for Balt, but they still had Heap and he had the benefit of playing the Browns twice that year, where he gained 1/4th of his season's total in 2 games.

I was referring to the Larry Johnson era rather than Priest era. There was less balance in 2005 and 2006 KC rushing attack but they did OK. Vikings have the benefit of having a decent defense. They have not been blown out this year and have not had to abandon the run. (Hopefully this does not jinx them.)

While this is true they have not had too, Childress still did abandon the run in a few games. Folks here in MN have been bashing their heads because if this.

 

[gianmarco]

Show me a good running back that doesn't have a good offensive line. Look at San Diego ... Is Michael Turner great? I promise you he would not Average 6 yards per carry on another team.Look at LJ and SJ ...When their line was great they were great when their line sucked so did they. It's what peterson does after he gets through the hole that makes makes him great. The Oline doesn't run 20, 40 or 70 yards down the field along side of Peterson.

You seem to forget the Charger's team that LT ran on near the beginning of his career. And Detroit's O-Line when Sanders was around was hardly something to write home about. Yes, there are a few RB's that can succeed despite what their O-line is doing. Those guys are in the HOF or will be at some point (LT). And yes, AP is following in the same footsteps. The O-line he's running behind only makes what he can do even better. That's what is scary.