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The Apple iPhone Thread (3 Viewers)

:wall: Could the Apple haters possibly be any more predictable? Awesome to see them all pile in here within the first page of being released to post whatever negative reports they can dig up.I mean, christ, have we completely abandoned even attempts at subtlety at this point? The sad thing is we won't have a mod in here to keep the conversation on track (unlike the Evo thread). T-minus 2 pages before the name calling...
So ignore it. Responding like this only feeds it.
He can't....moth to a flame. Does the same thing (other side) EVO hater etc....
 
Really? That's all you got? And we expected so much more from you (sigh).

I'd give you my cell number so we could talk about this man to man but I know you wouldn't be able to because you have the new IPhone. Must be why you're posting instead.
:thumbup: RIF
Really? You're not concerned about the antenna issue (that's YOUR fault, BTW) at all?
Where did I say I wasn't concerned?See, the reason why I have a problem with you, is about what you're saying, but rather how.

You come in here, offer absolutely nothing to the thread, post a series of sarcastic comments, then follow it up with more sarcasm and finish of with an embarrassing attempt at being an internet tough guy.

Yes I'm concerned about the antenna issue, I also still would like the rest of the positive features of the phone, ya know, the ones we're trying to discuss in between you, Goggins and similar ilk.

 
So the antenna issue is only showing up in practice with people who talk using their left hand/ear?
No - it's only showing up when you use your hands. Otherwise, the reception is flawless. To get the non-hands-free version of the new IPhone you have to pay an extra $30 bucks for a special "Reception Enhancer" to fit around the phone itself.And, to be honest, this really isn't Apple's fault. It's your fault because you're using your hands to answer your phone - so what's an extra $30?
Link.
Boo-hoo - we can trash Microsoft all we want but posters who bash Apple are trolls. Would you like some warm milk to make you feel better?
Tosberg out and about
Harry Manback on way to pick up new IBrick 4.0
 
Harry Manback on way to pick up new IBrick 4.0
LOL that only took you 30 minutes, congratulatons.I'm sure you had to spend some 'alone' time with yourself, a kleenex and that photo before posting it, huh?
Listen - I'm always up for a good laugh. You Apple guys can't jump all over Microsoft and then get all offended when someone jumps all over Apple ( :thumbup: ). Maybe not you specifically (but I bet you have), but in general you guys trounce MS any chance you get. Turnabout is fair play, so don't take it personally. You started with the links. I only continued it.But tell me you didn't think that link wasn't funny? I bet you giggled like a school girl when you clicked my link. :)

I just find it funny - and if someone can't post a link with some humor then you really are a Apple fanatic. Sit back, relax and enjoy the banter.

And by the way, I would like to be referred to as the ITroll. :)

 
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http://www.macrumors.com/2010/06/27/steve-...sue-stay-tuned/

One MacRumors reader emailed Steve Jobs in a followup about the widely publicized iPhone 4 signal issues that have been reported across the web. In particular, rfbandit was asking about Apple's policy on giving free bumper cases to alleviate the issue. "I love everything about the phone except my signal issues", he wrote.

Steve Jobs reportedly replied immediately with:

There are no reception issues. Stay Tuned.

The response is notable in that it is not simply a copy/paste of the official statement from Apple. Steve Jobs had previously been replying to all signal inquiries on Friday with the same generic statement published Thursday:

Gripping any phone will result in some attenuation of its antenna performance, with certain places being worse than others depending on the placement of the antennas. This is a fact of life for every wireless phone. If you ever experience this on your iPhone 4, avoid gripping it in the lower left corner in a way that covers both sides of the black strip in the metal band, or simply use one of many available cases.

That public statement from Apple essentially described the issue as a normal phenomenon. Today's email provides users some hope that a fix might somehow be on the way. In fact, one report even claimed an iOS update as early as Monday might be able to relieve the issue due to a lag in the iPhone 4's ability to switch between frequencies causing the loss in signal.

 
So the antenna issue is only showing up in practice with people who talk using their left hand/ear?
No - it's only showing up when you use your hands. Otherwise, the reception is flawless. To get the non-hands-free version of the new IPhone you have to pay an extra $30 bucks for a special "Reception Enhancer" to fit around the phone itself.And, to be honest, this really isn't Apple's fault. It's your fault because you're using your hands to answer your phone - so what's an extra $30?
Link.
LokiKx = Tosberg34And a ####ty attempt at an alias at best.

 
So the antenna issue is only showing up in practice with people who talk using their left hand/ear?
No - it's only showing up when you use your hands. Otherwise, the reception is flawless. To get the non-hands-free version of the new IPhone you have to pay an extra $30 bucks for a special "Reception Enhancer" to fit around the phone itself.And, to be honest, this really isn't Apple's fault. It's your fault because you're using your hands to answer your phone - so what's an extra $30?
Link.
LokiKx = Tosberg34And a ####ty attempt at an alias at best.
Okay, crazy one. Isn't it time to take your meds?
 
So the antenna issue is only showing up in practice with people who talk using their left hand/ear?
No - it's only showing up when you use your hands. Otherwise, the reception is flawless. To get the non-hands-free version of the new IPhone you have to pay an extra $30 bucks for a special "Reception Enhancer" to fit around the phone itself.And, to be honest, this really isn't Apple's fault. It's your fault because you're using your hands to answer your phone - so what's an extra $30?
Link.
LokiKx = Tosberg34And a ####ty attempt at an alias at best.
why does the guy need an alias? Nobody pays attention to either f'n name
 
Why do people have to be such #### about technology? Seriously, do you think in the olden days people fought each other over their rotary phones?

Shut the #### up and save this thread to people that want information about the iphone. Jesus.

 
Love my new iPhone 4. Stood in line on the first day to get it to upgrade from my 3G. The speed of the 4 compared to the 3G is a huge improvement. So much faster opening apps, scrolling pages, unlocking, etc. The HD camcorder is very nice and functional (took some sweet video of my buddy's dance exploits at a wedding over the weekend). Love the front facing camera and the 3 megapixel rear facing camera with digital zoom and flash. Just a phenomenal phone.

Only complaint is the issue with reception that has been talked about in here. Hopefully there's an OS fix that takes care of this, if not, I'll get a Bumper when they come out with other colors in a couple weeks like I was planning on doing.

 
So the antenna issue is only showing up in practice with people who talk using their left hand/ear?
No - it's only showing up when you use your hands. Otherwise, the reception is flawless. To get the non-hands-free version of the new IPhone you have to pay an extra $30 bucks for a special "Reception Enhancer" to fit around the phone itself.And, to be honest, this really isn't Apple's fault. It's your fault because you're using your hands to answer your phone - so what's an extra $30?
Link.
Boo-hoo - we can trash Microsoft all we want but posters who bash Apple are trolls. Would you like some warm milk to make you feel better?
Tosberg out and about
Jesus F Christ I am going to have nightmares about this. : (
 
OMG Multitasking!

...haven't used it once.
My kids don't always watch Disney Channel in HD they are happy with whichever one they select on the Satellite. Just because someone can't figure out how to use a feature doesn't mean it's not a good one to have :rolleyes:
 


Apple today announced sales of over 1.7 million iPhone 4s through Saturday, covering just the first three days of sales.

Apple today announced that it has sold over 1.7 million of its iPhone 4 through Saturday, June 26, just three days after its launch on June 24. The new iPhone 4 features FaceTime, which makes video calling as easy as one tap, and Apple's new Retina display, the highest resolution display ever built into a phone, resulting in stunning text, images and video.

"This is the most successful product launch in Apple's history," said Steve Jobs, Apple's CEO. "Even so, we apologize to those customers who were turned away because we did not have enough supply."

Saturday marked the end of Apple's third fiscal quarter (and second calendar quarter), and thus sales from Sunday forward will be included in Apple's next fiscal quarter, due to end in late September.

For both the iPhone 3GS and iPhone 3G, Apple announced sales of over one million for their respective launch weekends. It took 74 days for the original iPhone to move one million units.

Apple continues to note that iPhone 4 will move beyond the initial launch countries of the United States, UK, France, Germany, and Japan into an additional 18 countries by the end of July: Australia, Austria, Belgium, Canada, Denmark, Finland, Hong Kong, Ireland, Italy, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Norway, New Zealand, Singapore, South Korea, Spain, Sweden and Switzerland.



 
That public statement from Apple essentially described the issue as a normal phenomenon. Today's email provides users some hope that a fix might somehow be on the way. In fact, one report even claimed an iOS update as early as Monday might be able to relieve the issue due to a lag in the iPhone 4's ability to switch between frequencies causing the loss in signal.
Interesting, so they are sticking with the "it's a software glitch, not a hardware problem". This would make a lot more sense and make me feel quite a bit better about getting this phone.
 
That public statement from Apple essentially described the issue as a normal phenomenon. Today's email provides users some hope that a fix might somehow be on the way. In fact, one report even claimed an iOS update as early as Monday might be able to relieve the issue due to a lag in the iPhone 4's ability to switch between frequencies causing the loss in signal.
Interesting, so they are sticking with the "it's a software glitch, not a hardware problem". This would make a lot more sense and make me feel quite a bit better about getting this phone.
Touching the antenna has nothing to do with the software. All the software will do is change how it interprets the data and displays it on the screen. So now you see the bars drop to one where the "fix" the software will simply not show it drop if you touch the antenna. Not fixing the hardware issue but masking the issue through the software.
 
Walton Goggins said:
Harry Manback said:
Walton Goggins said:
That public statement from Apple essentially described the issue as a normal phenomenon. Today's email provides users some hope that a fix might somehow be on the way. In fact, one report even claimed an iOS update as early as Monday might be able to relieve the issue due to a lag in the iPhone 4's ability to switch between frequencies causing the loss in signal.
Interesting, so they are sticking with the "it's a software glitch, not a hardware problem". This would make a lot more sense and make me feel quite a bit better about getting this phone.
Touching the antenna has nothing to do with the software. All the software will do is change how it interprets the data and displays it on the screen. So now you see the bars drop to one where the "fix" the software will simply not show it drop if you touch the antenna. Not fixing the hardware issue but masking the issue through the software.
:goodposting:Is that seriously what you gleened from that article? :yawn:
 
Walton Goggins said:
Harry Manback said:
Walton Goggins said:
That public statement from Apple essentially described the issue as a normal phenomenon. Today's email provides users some hope that a fix might somehow be on the way. In fact, one report even claimed an iOS update as early as Monday might be able to relieve the issue due to a lag in the iPhone 4's ability to switch between frequencies causing the loss in signal.
Interesting, so they are sticking with the "it's a software glitch, not a hardware problem". This would make a lot more sense and make me feel quite a bit better about getting this phone.
Touching the antenna has nothing to do with the software. All the software will do is change how it interprets the data and displays it on the screen. So now you see the bars drop to one where the "fix" the software will simply not show it drop if you touch the antenna. Not fixing the hardware issue but masking the issue through the software.
:lmao:Is that seriously what you gleened from that article? :lmao:
Do you honestly think the antenna problem is a software issue? :lmao:
 
Walton Goggins said:
Harry Manback said:
Walton Goggins said:
That public statement from Apple essentially described the issue as a normal phenomenon. Today's email provides users some hope that a fix might somehow be on the way. In fact, one report even claimed an iOS update as early as Monday might be able to relieve the issue due to a lag in the iPhone 4's ability to switch between frequencies causing the loss in signal.
Interesting, so they are sticking with the "it's a software glitch, not a hardware problem". This would make a lot more sense and make me feel quite a bit better about getting this phone.
Touching the antenna has nothing to do with the software. All the software will do is change how it interprets the data and displays it on the screen. So now you see the bars drop to one where the "fix" the software will simply not show it drop if you touch the antenna. Not fixing the hardware issue but masking the issue through the software.
It could be a software "bug". What could be happening: Grounding the antenna causes interference. The software sees this interference and attempts to use another tower. The other tower is too far away and is not capable of providing a decent signal.
 
Walton Goggins said:
Harry Manback said:
Walton Goggins said:
That public statement from Apple essentially described the issue as a normal phenomenon. Today's email provides users some hope that a fix might somehow be on the way. In fact, one report even claimed an iOS update as early as Monday might be able to relieve the issue due to a lag in the iPhone 4's ability to switch between frequencies causing the loss in signal.
Interesting, so they are sticking with the "it's a software glitch, not a hardware problem". This would make a lot more sense and make me feel quite a bit better about getting this phone.
Touching the antenna has nothing to do with the software. All the software will do is change how it interprets the data and displays it on the screen. So now you see the bars drop to one where the "fix" the software will simply not show it drop if you touch the antenna. Not fixing the hardware issue but masking the issue through the software.
:lmao:Is that seriously what you gleened from that article? :lmao:
Do you honestly think the antenna problem is a software issue? :lmao:
Well, unlike yourself, I'm not claiming anything to be fact in regards to this issue, I'm stupidly basing it on the article you linked that basically said the software should be compensating for the interference by switching it to another frequency, but pick and choose what you'd like, you already probably the least liked poster on these boards, and so few people take anything you say seriously it hardly matters.
 
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Walton Goggins said:
Harry Manback said:
Walton Goggins said:
That public statement from Apple essentially described the issue as a normal phenomenon. Today's email provides users some hope that a fix might somehow be on the way. In fact, one report even claimed an iOS update as early as Monday might be able to relieve the issue due to a lag in the iPhone 4's ability to switch between frequencies causing the loss in signal.
Interesting, so they are sticking with the "it's a software glitch, not a hardware problem". This would make a lot more sense and make me feel quite a bit better about getting this phone.
Touching the antenna has nothing to do with the software. All the software will do is change how it interprets the data and displays it on the screen. So now you see the bars drop to one where the "fix" the software will simply not show it drop if you touch the antenna. Not fixing the hardware issue but masking the issue through the software.
It could be a software "bug". What could be happening: Grounding the antenna causes interference. The software sees this interference and attempts to use another tower. The other tower is too far away and is not capable of providing a decent signal.
Well, it will be pretty easy to tell if it fixed the problem, or just masks it. When you put your finger over the gap and the signal fades, you can't load any data or anything. As soon as you take your finger off, it almost instantly starts loading will be real easy to test.
 
Walton Goggins said:
Harry Manback said:
Walton Goggins said:
That public statement from Apple essentially described the issue as a normal phenomenon. Today's email provides users some hope that a fix might somehow be on the way. In fact, one report even claimed an iOS update as early as Monday might be able to relieve the issue due to a lag in the iPhone 4's ability to switch between frequencies causing the loss in signal.
Interesting, so they are sticking with the "it's a software glitch, not a hardware problem". This would make a lot more sense and make me feel quite a bit better about getting this phone.
Touching the antenna has nothing to do with the software. All the software will do is change how it interprets the data and displays it on the screen. So now you see the bars drop to one where the "fix" the software will simply not show it drop if you touch the antenna. Not fixing the hardware issue but masking the issue through the software.
It could be a software "bug". What could be happening: Grounding the antenna causes interference. The software sees this interference and attempts to use another tower. The other tower is too far away and is not capable of providing a decent signal.
Well, it will be pretty easy to tell if it fixed the problem, or just masks it. When you put your finger over the gap and the signal fades, you can't load any data or anything. As soon as you take your finger off, it almost instantly starts loading will be real easy to test.
So now it may not definitely be a hardware problem, and Apple won't definitely be simply masking the problem? You mean to tell me that it could actually bema software issue? :shocked:
 
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So now it may not definitely be a hardware problem, and Apple won't definitely be simply masking the problem? You mean to tell me that it could actually bema software issue? :shocked:
I can't see how it's logically a software issue and with a software update it'll resolve the ant issue. Why don't you just buy one and get it over with?
 
I can't see how it's logically a software issue and with a software update it'll resolve the ant issue.
Because you're not an engineer and, frankly, you have no idea what you're talking about. Lots of folks in this thread seem to be suffering the same problem. I'm not defending Apple here. If it's a hardware flaw, it's ridiculous that it slipped through the cracks. It won't affect sales or anything else, but it's surprising to me. But it's not outside the realm of possibility that they can tweak power/receiver sensitivity/attenuation settings via software to address the issue. Antenna technology in these systems is highly complex. Wireless data transmission is highly complex. Lots of armchair engineers in here.
 
I can't see how it's logically a software issue and with a software update it'll resolve the ant issue.
Because you're not an engineer and, frankly, you have no idea what you're talking about. Lots of folks in this thread seem to be suffering the same problem. I'm not defending Apple here. If it's a hardware flaw, it's ridiculous that it slipped through the cracks. It won't affect sales or anything else, but it's surprising to me. But it's not outside the realm of possibility that they can tweak power/receiver sensitivity/attenuation settings via software to address the issue. Antenna technology in these systems is highly complex. Wireless data transmission is highly complex. Lots of armchair engineers in here.
Agreed...also possible that it is a hardware issue that a software tweak can fix or help.
 
AT&T getting rid of the unlimited data plan is such a "screw you, all" to their customers. They know they've got their customers by the balls...they just don't care and appear to be doing everything possible to cause people to turn their back on them and the iphone.

Think about it for a moment...you've got the choice of all these wonderful phones out there right now...the differences between them all is very slim...so, other things like data plan costs become a huge factor. So dumb.
You get to keep it if you already have it. :confused:
All new customers and those with family plans that plan on upgrading to the new iphone.How does that make sense? You've got new customers thinking about jumping into the smart phone waters and AT&T decides to jam the right from the beginning.
FWIW Verizon will eventually offer data tiers as well. They delayed going to the tiers in order to capitalize on AT&T's new policy change and to lure people to the droid X but it will happen sooner or later.
Link?
 
One said:
Harry Manback said:
tosberg34 said:
Leeroy Jenkins said:
So the antenna issue is only showing up in practice with people who talk using their left hand/ear?
No - it's only showing up when you use your hands. Otherwise, the reception is flawless. To get the non-hands-free version of the new IPhone you have to pay an extra $30 bucks for a special "Reception Enhancer" to fit around the phone itself.And, to be honest, this really isn't Apple's fault. It's your fault because you're using your hands to answer your phone - so what's an extra $30?
Link.
LokiKx = Tosberg34And a ####ty attempt at an alias at best.
Not even close.
 
If anyone got one of these on the upgrade program can you describe exactly what you did and how much you paid, etc. etc.

 
I can't see how it's logically a software issue and with a software update it'll resolve the ant issue.
Because you're not an engineer and, frankly, you have no idea what you're talking about. Lots of folks in this thread seem to be suffering the same problem. I'm not defending Apple here. If it's a hardware flaw, it's ridiculous that it slipped through the cracks. It won't affect sales or anything else, but it's surprising to me. But it's not outside the realm of possibility that they can tweak power/receiver sensitivity/attenuation settings via software to address the issue. Antenna technology in these systems is highly complex. Wireless data transmission is highly complex. Lots of armchair engineers in here.
I would think a firmware fix could at least bring into the fold a "being held on the antenna" mode into the mix. They implemented something similar though with the ipad early on and it didn't really seem to help, and the itouch has always had a similar problem.
 
I can't see how it's logically a software issue and with a software update it'll resolve the ant issue.
Because you're not an engineer and, frankly, you have no idea what you're talking about. Lots of folks in this thread seem to be suffering the same problem. I'm not defending Apple here. If it's a hardware flaw, it's ridiculous that it slipped through the cracks. It won't affect sales or anything else, but it's surprising to me. But it's not outside the realm of possibility that they can tweak power/receiver sensitivity/attenuation settings via software to address the issue. Antenna technology in these systems is highly complex. Wireless data transmission is highly complex.

Lots of armchair engineers in here.
:goodposting:
 
Funny thing I noticed, my 3GS actually has the same reception issue when I hold it in the way that causes the issues on the iPhone 4.

Leads me to believe it's more to do with os4 than the hardware itself.

 
AT&T getting rid of the unlimited data plan is such a "screw you, all" to their customers. They know they've got their customers by the balls...they just don't care and appear to be doing everything possible to cause people to turn their back on them and the iphone.

Think about it for a moment...you've got the choice of all these wonderful phones out there right now...the differences between them all is very slim...so, other things like data plan costs become a huge factor. So dumb.
You get to keep it if you already have it. :mellow:
All new customers and those with family plans that plan on upgrading to the new iphone.How does that make sense? You've got new customers thinking about jumping into the smart phone waters and AT&T decides to jam the right from the beginning.
FWIW Verizon will eventually offer data tiers as well. They delayed going to the tiers in order to capitalize on AT&T's new policy change and to lure people to the droid X but it will happen sooner or later.
Link?
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-06-1...g-update1-.htmlI agree that they will likely use their 4G rollout as an excuse to add tiers to their data plans. This will allow them to hedge against their worst-case utilization scenarios in much the same way that AT&T tied iPhone tethering directly to the tiered plans.

 
So, is the antennae issue limited to those using their left hands or not?

I can see that almost unanimously those who upgraded from the 3G to the 4 are pleased.

What about those who went from the 3Gs and downloaded OS4? Is it worth the upgrade?

 
As an existing customer who has been approved for an upgrade, when will I be able to get a new iPhone without having to wait in line?

 
I can't see how it's logically a software issue and with a software update it'll resolve the ant issue.
Because you're not an engineer and, frankly, you have no idea what you're talking about. Lots of folks in this thread seem to be suffering the same problem. I'm not defending Apple here. If it's a hardware flaw, it's ridiculous that it slipped through the cracks. It won't affect sales or anything else, but it's surprising to me. But it's not outside the realm of possibility that they can tweak power/receiver sensitivity/attenuation settings via software to address the issue. Antenna technology in these systems is highly complex. Wireless data transmission is highly complex.

Lots of armchair engineers in here.
:popcorn:
xI have a BS in computer engineering, master's level work in electrical engineering, and worked in industry as a software engineer programming and field testing cellular radios.

 
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-06-1...g-update1-.html

I agree that they will likely use their 4G rollout as an excuse to add tiers to their data plans. This will allow them to hedge against their worst-case utilization scenarios in much the same way that AT&T tied iPhone tethering directly to the tiered plans.
Nice. So this would probably mean that Sprint will not be to far behind or is the extra $10 for the 4g devices their way of covering the costs of using more data?
 
What about those who went from the 3Gs and downloaded OS4? Is it worth the upgrade?
I've been debating this even before the rollout if IP4, and after playing around with the Mrs new IP4, I'm pretty sure I don't need to upgrade. The only thing I'm missing is the improved cameras and a faster chip. But I'm not a big camera use and I think my 3GS is plenty fast, so I'm struggling to find a reason to spend $200 for the upgrade. If I do decide to upgrade to IP4, it will certainly be after they do something about antenna/reception issue.
 
So, is the antennae issue limited to those using their left hands or not?I can see that almost unanimously those who upgraded from the 3G to the 4 are pleased. What about those who went from the 3Gs and downloaded OS4? Is it worth the upgrade?
I assume you are talking about upgrading a 3GS from a hardware stand point, not simply upgrading to the software, and if so my answer would be "it depends".I'm tempted to keep my 3GS and wait for next years model to come out, however I am upgrading mainly because I want the extra hard drive space. It's definitely faster and has a better camera/display etc, but from a software standpoint a 3GS with the 4.0 software is a huge improvement in an of itself (assuming they fix this antenna issue).Had anyone else tried reproducing the drop in bars on their 3GS running 4.0 software?
 
Was going to post this in the other thread but looks like it was locked for some reason...

I stopped into my local ATT store over lunch today and here’s what they told me:

The ATT store will be opening its doors at 7:00am tomorrow and will have about 50 iPhones available on a first come, first served basis. Both 16GB and 32GB available but not sure how many of each. They will only sell one phone per person in line.

I may drive by a little before 7:00 and I’ll just keep going if the line is already long. Looks like my next option is the preorders that reopen tomorrow but they’re not sure when the phones would be available and shipping.

 

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