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[Team Legacy]

Great receivers, a new stud rb, new digs and Kurt Warner.

That's about where the similarities end.

Throw in a new stadium and a hungry city for wins...

Could Edge surprise many and repeat last year's performance???

Will Boldin and Fitz continue to put up Holt and Bruce numbers???

Can they shock the world and go all the way, possibly with Leinart if Kurt goes down???

 

[smcindoe]

... a new stud rb ...

Which team did that RB come from?

 

[pinequick]

... a new stud rb ...

Which team did that RB come from?

Oh very good!

 

[trader jake]

if denny green cries i'll start to worry...

 

[Jous]

they're a lot alike....except the 99 Rams had a better o-line, better RB (Faulk definetly > Edge), a better defense, and a better QB. Warner now < Warner when he first became a starting QB.

 

[gang-wars]

they're a lot alike....except the 99 Rams had a better o-line, better RB (Faulk definetly > Edge), a better defense, and a better QB. Warner now < Warner when he first became a starting QB.

I'm not so sure the Rams D was better. Zone had a top 10 D with NO rushing game (close to top 10 in 2004 also). Imagine if the O can stay on the field some more, control the clock, put together some huge drives, score some TDs, get the lead.The D was awesome with an offense that did them NO favors.

At worst, the Rams D of 99 and the Zona D is a toss up. I could see Zona having a top 5 D this year.

 

[Jous]

If Arizona has a top 5 D next year I'll cut off my left testicle and mail it to your 3rd cousin.

I think the Rams had an underrated defense in 99 and 01 when they went to their Superbowls. In 99 they actually had a very fierce rushing defense, ranking #1 in the NFL and only allowing 3.52 YPC. (thank you profootballreference.com) They also had an oppurtunistic pass defense, picking up 29 INT's. People remember the Rams having a fantastic offense, but assume that they struggled defensively. They did in 2000, but that usually wasn't the cas ein 99 and 01.

 

[The Jerk]

Interesting thoughts. Certainly stranger things have happened.

However, the 1999 season was pretty bizarre in that all four conference championship game participants imploded at the start of the season leaving a huge power vacuum.

Denver (defending champ): Elway retired, then Terrell Davis tore up his knee

Atlanta (SB loser): Jamal Anderson blew out his knee in Week 2

N.Y. Jets: Vinny tore his achilles (I think) in Week 1

Minnesota: no one incident comes to mind, but they struggled early and Jeff George replaced Randall Cunningham either due to injury or ineffectiveness

If anyone can help with the details, especially on the Vikings, please have at it.

Anyway, my whole point is to emphasize that unless a similar power vacuum develops, I think the Cardinals will be hard-pressed to even make the playoffs. But... we already see Ben getting in his wreck, Colts lose Edge, Pats lose a few more players, Palmer is recovering, so it can happen.

The other thing that really helped the 1999 Rams is their 5th place schedule. The 1999 Rams faced the easiest cumulative schedule of any Super Bowl champion, barely edging out the 1972 Dolphins:

1999 Rams opponents: 93-163 (.363)

1972 Dolphins opponents: 70-122-4 (.367)

In fact, these two teams and the 1974 Steelers are the only three SB winners to have not defeated a playoff team during the regular season.

 

[BlueDredSo]

they're a lot alike....except the 99 Rams had a better o-line, better RB (Faulk definetly > Edge), a better defense, and a better QB. Warner now < Warner when he first became a starting QB.

I'm not so sure the Rams D was better. Zone had a top 10 D with NO rushing game (close to top 10 in 2004 also). Imagine if the O can stay on the field some more, control the clock, put together some huge drives, score some TDs, get the lead.The D was awesome with an offense that did them NO favors.

At worst, the Rams D of 99 and the Zona D is a toss up. I could see Zona having a top 5 D this year.

Are you serious?

 

[SammyJankis]

they're a lot alike....except the 99 Rams had a better o-line, better RB (Faulk definetly > Edge), a better defense, and a better QB. Warner now < Warner when he first became a starting QB.

Don't sleep on this D. The Cards have a ton of talent on the other side of the ball.That being said, I've had high hopes in the past, so I'm not going to make any outlandish predictions. This Cardinals team has great potential. Will they realize it? Well, like Berman says, "That's why they play the games."

 

[SammyJankis]

If Arizona has a top 5 D next year I'll cut off my left testicle and mail it to your 3rd cousin.

I think the Rams had an underrated defense in 99 and 01 when they went to their Superbowls. In 99 they actually had a very fierce rushing defense, ranking #1 in the NFL and only allowing 3.52 YPC. (thank you profootballreference.com) They also had an oppurtunistic pass defense, picking up 29 INT's. People remember the Rams having a fantastic offense, but assume that they struggled defensively. They did in 2000, but that usually wasn't the cas ein 99 and 01.

Hope you can warm up to the nickname "cyclops".Speaking of underrated defenses...... You act as if a top 5 defense would be completely out of reach. Where do you think the cards ranked in total D last year? Answer: 8th.

That was without 2004 NFC sack lead Bert Berry for much of the year and without Antrell Rolle.

Bert Berry, Darnell Dockett, Karlos Dansby, Adrian Wilson, Antrele Rolle. This team has some playmakers on D.

 

[gang-wars]

they're a lot alike....except the 99 Rams had a better o-line, better RB (Faulk definetly > Edge), a better defense, and a better QB. Warner now < Warner when he first became a starting QB.

I'm not so sure the Rams D was better. Zone had a top 10 D with NO rushing game (close to top 10 in 2004 also). Imagine if the O can stay on the field some more, control the clock, put together some huge drives, score some TDs, get the lead.The D was awesome with an offense that did them NO favors.

At worst, the Rams D of 99 and the Zona D is a toss up. I could see Zona having a top 5 D this year.

Are you serious?

A defense moving up 3 slots from last year blows your mind?

 

[gang-wars]

If Arizona has a top 5 D next year I'll cut off my left testicle and mail it to your 3rd cousin.

I think the Rams had an underrated defense in 99 and 01 when they went to their Superbowls. In 99 they actually had a very fierce rushing defense, ranking #1 in the NFL and only allowing 3.52 YPC. (thank you profootballreference.com) They also had an oppurtunistic pass defense, picking up 29 INT's. People remember the Rams having a fantastic offense, but assume that they struggled defensively. They did in 2000, but that usually wasn't the cas ein 99 and 01.

They had the 8th ranked D, with a number of key injuries, and a horrible offense.I don't know about you, but I don't offer to cut my nuts off if a defense moves up 3 spots from the previous year.

 

[David Yudkin]

I think the Cards are more similar to the 98 Vikings, but I doubt they go 15-1.

 

[cracKer]

(Faulk definetly > Edge)

 

[Phlash]

(Faulk definetly > Edge)

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=248275

 

[Blackjacks]

I believe the Rams defense in 98 was in the top 5 in the NFL

 

[Lightning Fast Whip]

Here's one for all those writing off Edge because the Cardinals couldn't run last year.

1998 Rams top three RBs by attempts averaged 2.94 per carry

2005 Cardinals Top 3 RBs by attempts averaged 2.98 per carry

Nearly equally pathetic

1999 Marshall Faulk came from Indy where he had ran for 1319 yards at 4.1 per carry..would it have been easy to predict a decline in his rushing yards and rush average because the 1998 Rams were so inept rushing the ball? Well he finished with 1381 yards at 5.5 average. Both increases. Credit Martz OK. But also acknowledge Faulk raised the running game over the scrubs they had in 1998 too

2006 Edge comes from Indy after rushing for 1506 yards at 4.2 a carry (both better than Marshalls 1998). Easy to jump to the conclusion he will suffer....in both yards and average per carry. It may not happen if Warner lights it up with Boldin Fitz and having Edge and a Real Offensive line coach is much better than having a line coach without a clue (even Warner called him out IN SEASON) and a rookie Arrington

Rams O-line (except Pace) was consider junk pre Marshall. A RB can make an O-Line look better than it really is. Arizonas may still be considered junk right now...but with some coaching and Edge they wont be considered as junky by next offseason.

 

[Lightning Fast Whip]

And for those going to say how good/great the Indy O-Line is . Just remember how they look when Peyton doesn't run Edge enough (start getting some pass rush). Or when a RB besides Edge carried the ball last year for them. Hint: Other Indy RBS 60 carries for 151 yards 2.52 per carry. Remind you of Arizona type average per carry? Good RBs can cover some Warts..it's that simple.

St Louis pre Marshall couldn't pass block...It was sack city with guys like Banks putting up Carr like sack numbers and fumbling when hit. Arizona couldn't pass block when all they have is JJ Arrington as a threat either. Talent on O-Line matters..but Coaching is important too (Loney addresses that for Zona)..as is having a RB who the defense has to respect (where having a proven 4 time 1500 yard rusher fits in).

 

[-OZ-]

Speaking of underrated defenses...... You act as if a top 5 defense would be completely out of reach. Where do you think the cards ranked in total D last year? Answer: 8th.

That was without 2004 NFC sack lead Bert Berry for much of the year and without Antrell Rolle.

Bert Berry, Darnell Dockett, Karlos Dansby, Adrian Wilson, Antrele Rolle. This team has some playmakers on D.

This goes back to a side topic in the Manning vs. brady thread and a few others. How exactly do you rank a defense? Sure AZ was #8 in yardage allowed, but they were 27th in scoring, with 24.2 points allowed per game. 12th in passing D, 10th in rush D. I didn't see many AZ games, just the one in Mexico, so maybe others can answer this better, but those stats seem to indicate a total lack of red zone defense, the kind of D that breaks down at key times.A lack of a running game would account for some of that, as would a high octane offense (AZ's O scores more, so their opponent has to score more instead of running out the clock). So maybe Edge makes the difference and those stats get more consistent.

If AZ is to improve, the key will be turnovers. 21 INTs, 16 fumbles. Edge will help with this. And this might explain the difference between yardage allowed and scoring, but which way?

I've had this conversation a couple times, I think AZ can make the playoffs, maybe even win the West, but I can't compare them to the 99 Rams.

 

[Gopher State]

Cards should go 8-8 or maybe 9-7. They have one of the worst o-lines in the NFL and that will drag them down. They are an improved team no doubt.

 

[Assani Fisher]

If Arizona has a top 5 D next year I'll cut off my left testicle and mail it to your 3rd cousin.

I think the Rams had an underrated defense in 99 and 01 when they went to their Superbowls. In 99 they actually had a very fierce rushing defense, ranking #1 in the NFL and only allowing 3.52 YPC. (thank you profootballreference.com) They also had an oppurtunistic pass defense, picking up 29 INT's. People remember the Rams having a fantastic offense, but assume that they struggled defensively. They did in 2000, but that usually wasn't the cas ein 99 and 01.

Come on, man. I know that you realize that having a great offense means other teams will pass to catch up against you, and that results in good rushing D and lots of INTs. Arizona's D is every bit as good as the Rams' was.

 

[Assani Fisher]

Interesting thoughts. Certainly stranger things have happened.

However, the 1999 season was pretty bizarre in that all four conference championship game participants imploded at the start of the season leaving a huge power vacuum.

Denver (defending champ): Elway retired, then Terrell Davis tore up his knee

Atlanta (SB loser): Jamal Anderson blew out his knee in Week 2

N.Y. Jets: Vinny tore his achilles (I think) in Week 1

Minnesota: no one incident comes to mind, but they struggled early and Jeff George replaced Randall Cunningham either due to injury or ineffectiveness

If anyone can help with the details, especially on the Vikings, please have at it.

Anyway, my whole point is to emphasize that unless a similar power vacuum develops, I think the Cardinals will be hard-pressed to even make the playoffs. But... we already see Ben getting in his wreck, Colts lose Edge, Pats lose a few more players, Palmer is recovering, so it can happen.

The other thing that really helped the 1999 Rams is their 5th place schedule. The 1999 Rams faced the easiest cumulative schedule of any Super Bowl champion, barely edging out the 1972 Dolphins:

1999 Rams opponents: 93-163 (.363)

1972 Dolphins opponents: 70-122-4 (.367)

In fact, these two teams and the 1974 Steelers are the only three SB winners to have not defeated a playoff team during the regular season.

great posting. This is why I ranked the Rams so low on my list of ranking the last 20 SB champs.

 

[Assani Fisher]

I believe the Rams defense in 98 was in the top 5 in the NFL

26th out of 30 in points allowed5th out of 30 in passing yardage allowed

25th out of 30 in rushing yardage allowed

11th out of 30 in total yards allowed

Where are you getting this from?

 

[Assani Fisher]

Here's one for all those writing off Edge because the Cardinals couldn't run last year.

1998 Rams top three RBs by attempts averaged 2.94 per carry

2005 Cardinals Top 3 RBs by attempts averaged 2.98 per carry

Nearly equally pathetic

1999 Marshall Faulk came from Indy where he had ran for 1319 yards at 4.1 per carry..would it have been easy to predict a decline in his rushing yards and rush average because the 1998 Rams were so inept rushing the ball? Well he finished with 1381 yards at 5.5 average. Both increases. Credit Martz OK. But also acknowledge Faulk raised the running game over the scrubs they had in 1998 too

2006 Edge comes from Indy after rushing for 1506 yards at 4.2 a carry (both better than Marshalls 1998). Easy to jump to the conclusion he will suffer....in both yards and average per carry. It may not happen if Warner lights it up with Boldin Fitz and having Edge and a Real Offensive line coach is much better than having a line coach without a clue (even Warner called him out IN SEASON) and a rookie Arrington

Rams O-line (except Pace) was consider junk pre Marshall. A RB can make an O-Line look better than it really is. Arizonas may still be considered junk right now...but with some coaching and Edge they wont be considered as junky by next offseason.

Big difference is that the 2005 Colts offense was a lot better than the 1998 Colts, so its less likely that the RB leaving will go to a better situation.

 

[David Yudkin]

I believe the Rams defense in 98 was in the top 5 in the NFL

26th out of 30 in points allowed5th out of 30 in passing yardage allowed

25th out of 30 in rushing yardage allowed

11th out of 30 in total yards allowed

Where are you getting this from?

Maybe he meant 1999 instead . . .4th in points allowed

7th in yardage allowed

1st in rushing yards allowed

 

[ChampBailey24]

Here's one for all those writing off Edge because the Cardinals couldn't run last year.

1998 Rams top three RBs by attempts averaged 2.94 per carry

2005 Cardinals Top 3 RBs by attempts averaged 2.98 per carry

Nearly equally pathetic

1999 Marshall Faulk came from Indy where he had ran for 1319 yards at 4.1 per carry..would it have been easy to predict a decline in his rushing yards and rush average because the 1998 Rams were so inept rushing the ball? Well he finished with 1381 yards at 5.5 average. Both increases. Credit Martz OK. But also acknowledge Faulk raised the running game over the scrubs they had in 1998 too

2006 Edge comes from Indy after rushing for 1506 yards at 4.2 a carry (both better than Marshalls 1998). Easy to jump to the conclusion he will suffer....in both yards and average per carry. It may not happen if Warner lights it up with Boldin Fitz and having Edge and a Real Offensive line coach is much better than having a line coach without a clue (even Warner called him out IN SEASON) and a rookie Arrington

Rams O-line (except Pace) was consider junk pre Marshall. A RB can make an O-Line look better than it really is. Arizonas may still be considered junk right now...but with some coaching and Edge they wont be considered as junky by next offseason.

Big difference is that the 2005 Colts offense was a lot better than the 1998 Colts, so its less likely that the RB leaving will go to a better situation.

Colts' Oline is overrated. Tarik Glenn is supposedly solid (can't sya much about him though...in the 2-3 games I've seen from him he was awful), Jeff Saturday is overrated and the rest of the line isn't anything special. I don't see why people keep saying that Edge will suck in Arizona, the line might not be as good but it's not by far.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

If Arizona has a top 5 D next year I'll cut off my left testicle and mail it to your 3rd cousin.

I think the Rams had an underrated defense in 99 and 01 when they went to their Superbowls. In 99 they actually had a very fierce rushing defense, ranking #1 in the NFL and only allowing 3.52 YPC. (thank you profootballreference.com) They also had an oppurtunistic pass defense, picking up 29 INT's. People remember the Rams having a fantastic offense, but assume that they struggled defensively. They did in 2000, but that usually wasn't the cas ein 99 and 01.

Come on, man. I know that you realize that having a great offense means other teams will pass to catch up against you, and that results in good rushing D and lots of INTs. Arizona's D is every bit as good as the Rams' was.

Except that the '99 Rams ranked 7th overall in passing YPA. Teams were passing a lot to try to catch up, but the defense made this hard for the opposing team.

 

[Lightning Fast Whip]

Here's one for all those writing off Edge because the Cardinals couldn't run last year.

1998 Rams top three RBs by attempts averaged 2.94 per carry

2005 Cardinals Top 3 RBs by attempts averaged 2.98 per carry

Nearly equally pathetic

1999 Marshall Faulk came from Indy where he had ran for 1319 yards at 4.1 per carry..would it have been easy to predict a decline in his rushing yards and rush average because the 1998 Rams were so inept rushing the ball? Well he finished with 1381 yards at 5.5 average. Both increases. Credit Martz OK. But also acknowledge Faulk raised the running game over the scrubs they had in 1998 too

2006 Edge comes from Indy after rushing for 1506 yards at 4.2 a carry (both better than Marshalls 1998). Easy to jump to the conclusion he will suffer....in both yards and average per carry. It may not happen if Warner lights it up with Boldin Fitz and having Edge and a Real Offensive line coach is much better than having a line coach without a clue (even Warner called him out IN SEASON) and a rookie Arrington

Rams O-line (except Pace) was consider junk pre Marshall. A RB can make an O-Line look better than it really is. Arizonas may still be considered junk right now...but with some coaching and Edge they wont be considered as junky by next offseason.

Big difference is that the 2005 Colts offense was a lot better than the 1998 Colts, so its less likely that the RB leaving will go to a better situation.

True, But 2005 Cards were closer to 2005 Colts in Total offense than 1998 Rams were to 1998 Colts. 2005 Colts 5894 yards Cards 5861 yards

1998 Colts 5225 yards Rams 4766 Yards

Cards come with a ready made passing game. St Louis had Martz on the way to create theirs. That's pretty close with slight edge to Martz(with Hindsight only)Without the hindsight we now have of what Martz was going to do if you just gave those Total yards numbers it could be said Cardinals 2005/2006 were closer to being one new Coach and New RB away from RBs previous team than the 1998/1999 Rams were. I'm not going to go that far as I think Martz is huge...but Cardinal passing game already exists...so with addition of Loney I don't believe Edge should be getting ranked outside the Top 10 RBs just because Cardinals couldn't run last year. Being a thread comparing 1999 Rams to 2006 Cards I think it's appropriate to note many experts were ranking Marshall in much the same way in Summer of 1999. And he was on the brink of real improvment. I'm not saying Edge should crack Top 5 this year...but I am saying hold off on the automatic LARGE reductions in projections many are jumping to. I'm giving an argument that he is still in Top 10 and imo #6. Don't forgot his 1500+ last two years is with RESTING in last games of the year...his 2006 may have the Cardinals needing to ride him in last couple games this year if they are fighting for a wildcard...so even if his production slips in first 15 weeks he may catch up in say Week 16 vs San Francisco (which should bump him in rankings because are their 10 other RBs you'd rather start in your week 16 Superbowl than Edge vs SF?)

Offering a contrary view of Edge dropping out of Top 10 that seems to be spreading too quickly imo. Guys who have never shown they can carry a full load for a full season are getting ranked 6-10 ahead of a guy we know trains as hard as any RB and has provenhe can go 25 carries week in week out as long as his team doesn't rest him. And one more plus is Warner is more likely to get his Stud RB 16+ TDs than Peyton or at least try. If Arizona becomes a great offense I can see Edge averaging a TD per game...I would never project that with Peyton calling plays.

 

[Team Legacy]

so even if his production slips in first 15 weeks he may catch up in say Week 16 vs San Francisco (which should bump him in rankings because are their 10 other RBs you'd rather start in your week 16 Superbowl than Edge vs SF?)

 

[Mik789fl]

The biggest DIFFERENCE between that Rams team and this Cards team is on the sidelines. Denny underachieving Green will help keep the Cards at .500 or less.

 

[Lightning Fast Whip]

Looking at Dodds list of RBs....he has a guy like Westbrook in Top 10 instead of Edge. I like Westbrook when healthy and not being rested....but guys like Westbrook over a proven workhorse like Edge over the course of a full season? It may work out if Reid gets his wish that Westy can become Tiki like..but I say odds favor Edge even in Arizona

 

[Texasmouth]

Offensive lines can look a lot better with a solid running back. When the team has no running game and the defense knows it, they stack the box and send too many men to block. The addition of an immobile QB only makes this worse.

The defense wasn't too worried about the Cards beating them with the pass, even though Boldin and Fitz combined for over 200 receptions, the cards still only won 5 games.

 

[Mik789fl]

Offensive lines can look a lot better with a solid running back. When the team has no running game and the defense knows it, they stack the box and send too many men to block. The addition of an immobile QB only makes this worse.

The defense wasn't too worried about the Cards beating them with the pass, even though Boldin and Fitz combined for over 200 receptions, the cards still only won 5 games.

Don't teams "stack" the box when there IS a good running game?

 

[Texasmouth]

Offensive lines can look a lot better with a solid running back. When the team has no running game and the defense knows it, they stack the box and send too many men to block. The addition of an immobile QB only makes this worse.

The defense wasn't too worried about the Cards beating them with the pass, even though Boldin and Fitz combined for over 200 receptions, the cards still only won 5 games.

Don't teams "stack" the box when there IS a good running game?

Right, they bring a safety up to help out with stopping the run but then you can't cover the receivers. I think what I meant to say was the opposing defenses were stacking the box and bringing the blitz package. You can't blitz like that now with Edge back there and if defenses stack the box now, with Boldin, Fitz, Johnson, Pope, etc they will get burned not to mention Edge being able to catch out of the back field. Having Edge in the backfield completely changes the way defenses will play Az.

 

[BoltBacker]

Speaking of underrated defenses...... You act as if a top 5 defense would be completely out of reach. Where do you think the cards ranked in total D last year? Answer: 8th.

That was without 2004 NFC sack lead Bert Berry for much of the year and without Antrell Rolle.

Bert Berry, Darnell Dockett, Karlos Dansby, Adrian Wilson, Antrele Rolle. This team has some playmakers on D.

This goes back to a side topic in the Manning vs. brady thread and a few others. How exactly do you rank a defense? Sure AZ was #8 in yardage allowed, but they were 27th in scoring, with 24.2 points allowed per game. 12th in passing D, 10th in rush D. I didn't see many AZ games, just the one in Mexico, so maybe others can answer this better, but those stats seem to indicate a total lack of red zone defense, the kind of D that breaks down at key times.A lack of a running game would account for some of that, as would a high octane offense (AZ's O scores more, so their opponent has to score more instead of running out the clock). So maybe Edge makes the difference and those stats get more consistent.

If AZ is to improve, the key will be turnovers. 21 INTs, 16 fumbles. Edge will help with this. And this might explain the difference between yardage allowed and scoring, but which way?

I've had this conversation a couple times, I think AZ can make the playoffs, maybe even win the West, but I can't compare them to the 99 Rams.

Great post OZ and the defensive scoring allowed was the first stat I looked up when people starting running around calling ARZ's defense the 8th best in the league.You did a good job covering all the bases but I'd just add when you see a team that didn't give up all that many yards but a ton of points it points out two things to me:

a) The defense didn't stop a lot of drives, the opponent just ended up scoring to stop the drive.

b) The opponents offense was probably working with a short field most of the time. To me, Warner and a rookie QB behind THAT OL certainly has the potential to give up more than their fair share of TO's.

 

[Blackjacks]

I believe the Rams defense in 98 was in the top 5 in the NFL

26th out of 30 in points allowed5th out of 30 in passing yardage allowed

25th out of 30 in rushing yardage allowed

11th out of 30 in total yards allowed

Where are you getting this from?

Maybe he meant 1999 instead . . .4th in points allowed

7th in yardage allowed

1st in rushing yards allowed

Thanks, the '99 champs but they played in the '98 season.....my bad.

 

[MLBrandow]

Great receivers, a new stud rb, new digs and Kurt Warner.

That's about where the similarities end.

Throw in a new stadium and a hungry city for wins...

Could Edge surprise many and repeat last year's performance???

Will Boldin and Fitz continue to put up Holt and Bruce numbers???

Can they shock the world and go all the way, possibly with Leinart if Kurt goes down???

kurt warner quit throwing TDs around the time when he broke his trowing hand for the 11th time.6-10 would be a winning year. '07 with Leinart is when they make this run.

 

[CapnJB]

Man... who keeps bumping all these threads from last year?

 

[nygiants56]

Great receivers, a new stud rb, new digs and Kurt Warner.

That's about where the similarities end.

Throw in a new stadium and a hungry city for wins...

Could Edge surprise many and repeat last year's performance???

Will Boldin and Fitz continue to put up Holt and Bruce numbers???

Can they shock the world and go all the way, possibly with Leinart if Kurt goes down???

same offensive system, with a twist..hybrid of WCO and Don Coryell's system..