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***The Audible LIVE*** 5/10/2012 10PM ET (1 Viewer)

Hi guys, what's up? Love the show... :excited:

The Bears have new weapons on offense, but somehow did not invest in the offense line (which didn't look too good last year). How much can we really expect from Cutler and co. this year? How does the prognosis change if Forte holds out?

Keep up the good work. :thumbup:

Truly Yours

 
Hey guys, loyal audible fan here.

To say the WR situation in Miami is uninspiring would be an understatement. Who is the WR to own down there in ppr formats? Will Bess get back to 80-catch form or have we seen everything he's got? Is Hartline the sleeper of choice or does Gates learn to run routes? Perhaps one of their rookies?

Thanks guys, can't wait to download the show tomorrow morning for my drive into work!

 
So great to have you all back for 2 hours a week!

Who are you gonna be paying closest attention to in camp to see if there value explodes?

 
In the offseason 16 team survivor leagues (WSL,PDSL, SSL) I have been scooping up Peyton Hillis 5-6 rounds after Jamaal Charles goes off the board. Discuss how you see things shaking out between these two backs and if you think Hillis is a much better value later in the draft than taking Charles early.

Thanks for all you do!

 
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What is to be made of Mendenhall?

He should return towards the end of the year. Do you think he's out of Pittsburgh or will have a tough time regaining his starter role (ignoring factors of his injury).

More importantly, I use the general guideline that a RB suffering an injury such that Mendy did, it usually requires a full year of action returning from his injury to reach their pre-injury form. Is it safe to say it won't be until the end of next season that he reaches this?

I just feel it's time to sell now if you can get a decent value or wait for his return and trade him immediately. Thoughts?

 
Gentlemen,

Given the fact that Arizona didn't draft any RB, nor did they sign one in free agency, it looks like they are confident that Ryan Williams will return. What are your thoughts about his return and what kind of production do you think he'll have?

 
This Question is for The Professional Matt Waldman. Matt you're the mad scientist behind upside down drafting. walk me through a couple of your favorite strategies in rounds 1-3 or rounds 1-5 using this strategy (as it pertains of course to this year). don't be afraid to throw out some player names as well as positions. YOU GUYS ROCK MY FACE!

Side Note- in several mocks at the 9 spot i've been going QB/TE. will this work as muddy as the running backs are in the middle rounds?

 
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this question isn't for the show but i don't know where to put it. CECIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i'm here in denver, what in god's name happened to our boy jeremiah johnson????? every time he touched the ball last year you could tell there was a speed/agility difference between him and mcgahee. did he die? did it just not work out? throw me a J squared bone here my friend!

 
Last year put an exclamation mark on the fact that the NFL is now truly a passing league. But if you don't have one of the elite QBs, it'll be tough sledding to bring home a title. If you're looking at QBs in the 10-25 range, which (if any) do you think have the potential to make the jump to elite fantasy performer?

 
-Can you all make a short list of all potential 3 down RBs this season and factor in injuries...example do you really feel ADP will get 300-350 touches this season?

-Meachem, Lloyd, Manningham, receivers who landed in decent situations, which of these do you think will have the best season?

-Which QBs after the first 6-8 are gone...who stands the best chance to make a top5/top10 run?

-What players do you all feel are being overlooked? Not dark horses but who is obviously sorely undervalued right now?

-3 picks in the 1st round of a 12 team redraft that scare the crap out of you?

I don't expect all of them to be answered but this is what I am interested in right now. You guys do a great job, is there a direct link for those of us that might miss this live?

Edited:Looks like a link up top

 
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For Siggie.

Over at the Bleacher Report some one shared his take on the Browns QB situation and surmised his take thusly:

"The only thing I know about the Cleveland Browns quarterback situation is that they don't know what they're doing."

Over at the ESPN blogs Jamison Helmsly shared a more even-keeled take:

"I understand that the Browns want to make Weeden feel like he has to earn the job. But here's the reality of the situation: it's not his job to win. It's his job to lose."

Suppose for one second that you actually had an unbiased opinion of these two sentiments.

One says that an NFL franchise has no clue what they are doing at the QB position.

The other says the rookie QB won't be handed the starting job but he'd have to fall flat on his face before the job was given back to the previous owner.

Which take is the most reasonable take?

 
From the FBG news wire:

Texans | Agree to deal with John Beck Thu May 10, 01:47 AM The Houston Texans agreed to a deal with free-agent QB John Beck (Redskins) Wednesday, May 9.

Our view: Why? We like Undrafted Free Agent Case Keenum more than Beck. He's failed to impress with three different teams (Miami, Baltimore, Washington) and is unlikely to do much for Houston if he even makes the team.

The answer to your question must have something to do with the ongoing health of Matt Schaub. I am no fan of Beck & I like TJ Yates but Beck has more experience than any other QB on the roster so in that sense the acquisition makes sense. What I would like to hear you guys discuss (esp the good Doctor) is Matt Schaub and what you know about his comeback from the Lisfranc injury and perhaps from Jene on what are the serious to worst case scenarios for an injury like this.

 
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I wanna know is a lot of people out there who like to drink VODKA and AWWWRANGE JOOOOCE

but what I really wanna know is.....

Is Peade really the next guy in St. Louis or are they just stupid and justifying that pick?. Could he really be a 3 down back who does not get bogged down in some godforsaken RBBC?

 
Good evening, fellas. Thanks for all the help. Always looking to get better everyday. Thats why I listen.

Please discuss trading rookie picks for active players. Having trouble gauging rookie picks trade value.

For conversation sake, using a 2 round rookie draft.

What is a rookie 1.1 worth? 1.2? 1.3? mid 1st rounders? Late 1st rounders? Please give us some examples.

Moving up in the draft, what should it cost?

Moving back, what whould I ask for?

Feel free to use 2011 or 2012 rookies as draft scale. To give use some context.

Finally, talk about trading future 1st rounders.

You guys have been very helpful to shaping my fantasy mind set.

 
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'Bracie Smathers said:
For Siggie.

Over at the Bleacher Report some one shared his take on the Browns QB situation and surmised his take thusly:

"The only thing I know about the Cleveland Browns quarterback situation is that they don't know what they're doing."

Over at the ESPN blogs Jamison Helmsly shared a more even-keeled take:

"I understand that the Browns want to make Weeden feel like he has to earn the job. But here's the reality of the situation: it's not his job to win. It's his job to lose."

Suppose for one second that you actually had an unbiased opinion of these two sentiments.

One says that an NFL franchise has no clue what they are doing at the QB position.

The other says the rookie QB won't be handed the starting job but he'd have to fall flat on his face before the job was given back to the previous owner.

Which take is the most reasonable take?
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ill admit i got a little blustery with my take there... im just a bit baffled with all the browns approach to fixing their QB situation this year. I think Weeden starts and has a rough year... potentially setting up the Browns to have to take another QB early next year and admit that they arent really sold on Weeden as THE answer...
 
'pwakefield77 said:
this question isn't for the show but i don't know where to put it. CECIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i'm here in denver, what in god's name happened to our boy jeremiah johnson????? every time he touched the ball last year you could tell there was a speed/agility difference between him and mcgahee. did he die? did it just not work out? throw me a J squared bone here my friend!
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JJ's still on the roster (for now)....going to rookie minicamp tomorrow and I'll report who is at camp. I know JJ didn't impress on limited touches in the regular season, tried to do too much, had some ball security issues and trouble gathering in pitches from Timmy.
 
'Sigmund Bloom said:
'Bracie Smathers said:
For Siggie.

Over at the Bleacher Report some one shared his take on the Browns QB situation and surmised his take thusly:

"The only thing I know about the Cleveland Browns quarterback situation is that they don't know what they're doing."

Over at the ESPN blogs Jamison Helmsly shared a more even-keeled take:

"I understand that the Browns want to make Weeden feel like he has to earn the job. But here's the reality of the situation: it's not his job to win. It's his job to lose."

Suppose for one second that you actually had an unbiased opinion of these two sentiments.

One says that an NFL franchise has no clue what they are doing at the QB position.

The other says the rookie QB won't be handed the starting job but he'd have to fall flat on his face before the job was given back to the previous owner.

Which take is the most reasonable take?
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ill admit i got a little blustery with my take there... im just a bit baffled with all the browns approach to fixing their QB situation this year. I think Weeden starts and has a rough year... potentially setting up the Browns to have to take another QB early next year and admit that they arent really sold on Weeden as THE answer...
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Maybe a smidge blustery.My take on how things have developed with the Browns QB situation.

Once upon a time...

45 minutes before the 2012 NFL draft...

A trade was made.

A trade that never should have happened.

A trade where the Cleveland Browns gave up 4 draft picks to move-up one slot in the draft.

Note, note very ernestly that the trade took place 45 minutes BEFORE the draft started, a full HOUR before the Vikings were scheduled to be on the clock.

Now let me ask you.

If you are the GM of the Minnesota Vikings and had multiple offers sitting on the table from ALL SORTS OF TEAMS beating on your door.

Why on God's green earth would you EVER accept three late draft picks to move down ONE spot if you REALLY HONESTLY were EVER going to consider tradind your pick?

Do you think the Vikings would EVER trade out of position to get OLT Ryan Kahlil?

HONESTLY?

I don't.

I think it was the worst F'ng trade in NFL history. One team gave up four picks to get the same guy that they were going to get with one pick. WORST TRADE IN NFL HISTORY.

Why did this happen? A few reasons.

Mike Holmgren who is 64 years old. The Washington Redskins moved ahead of the Browns to nab RG III. Mike Holmgren panicked and forced Browns GM Tom Heckertt to make a trade if he heard ANY RUMORS, even moronic absurd ridiculous rumors, that the Vikings would trade-down and miss out on the one-guy that they had to get.

Heck if the Vikings dared to trade down for someone to choose Richardson and they foolishly left Kahlil on the board the Browns phone would be ringing off the hook. They would have traded down with the Rams in a New York second for a high second round draft pick and gotten Justin Blackmon and still would have been perfectly positioned to get, QB Brandon Weeden, RB Doug Martin, AND ORT Mitchell Schwartz.

Richardson is the guy they wanted but Minnesota would NEVER had moved down because they know Kahlil would be gone. So if the Browns had those three extra choices come into play, especially with the selection of Weeden at #22.

You are right. The Browns wanted WR Kendell Wright who went off the board two picks ahead of the Browns second-first round pick at #20 to the Titans.

OK, this is the part you seem puzzled about. :confused: You seem to be asking, what was the original idea?

It seems they would have been content to go with, RB Trent Richardson and WR Kendall Wright, with the first two picks. So the original idea was not to take QB Brandon Weeden at #22. It seems they would have been content to wait and take him at #37 or package together some of those LATE DRAFT PICKS THAT WERE BLOWN ON THE ILL ADVISED MOVE UP 45 MINUTES PRIOR TO THE DRAFT to move up to get Weeden at the end of the first round or earlier in the second round.

The fact that the Browns got jumped on the RG III deal forced Holmgren to panic and make the horrible trade-up for T-Rich and then that panic move got compounded at #22 when Kendall Wright got snatched from their grasp so they once again PANICKED and took Weeden too high.

In the second round they had ORT Schwartz rated far higher than any WR prospect.

Then in the third rouund the other bad moves caught up with them and they really blew-it by moving down from the top of the third round where a handful of relatively 'decent' WRs were still on the board but they moved to the end of the third round to acquire more late round picks that were BLOWN on the T-RICH trade, that never should have happened. Oh and they wound up with DT John Hughes.

Ofcouse now that Phil Taylor got injured and will be out of action for much of the season Hughes could turn into a far greater need than orignally interpreted but the story of the Browns QB situation boils down to the following:

- They tried to put together a package for RG III and would have made the best offer that St. Louis could get but the Skins timed their 'best' offer to when Heckertt was recuperating from surgery and the Browns were caught off-guard. I really do believe he would be with the Browns had the Browns had a fair shot to beat the Skins 'best' offer. That didn't pan out so they went to plan-B.

- Plan-B. Take Richardson and Kendall Wright and move-up for Weeden if they felt he wouldn't drop. The panic move for Richardson and Kendall Wright being taken right before #22 forced them to panic once again to take Weeden too high.

That is how I see it.

You think he's doomed.

Well, you certainly show no bias. :unsure:

Come clean.

Did you predict Andy Dalton would get to the playoffs and the Bengals would get two-first round picks for Carson Palmer last year?

 
terrific take there Bracie. I think we are seeing some of the same flailing in different chains of events...

as far as Dalton goes, I was encouraged by how much Gruden wanted him pre-draft, and felt he could harness Green's talent. Playoffs and a first and second for Palmer... LOL - even i am not that crazy

 
'Sigmund Bloom said:
terrific take there Bracie. I think we are seeing some of the same flailing in different chains of events...

as far as Dalton goes, I was encouraged by how much Gruden wanted him pre-draft, and felt he could harness Green's talent. Playoffs and a first and second for Palmer... LOL - even i am not that crazy
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You are consistent as you had Dalton rated #36 on your Bloom 100 last year:Bloom 100 2011 NFL rankings

Bloom Top 100 (Postdraft)

May 2nd, 2011

36. Andy Dalton, QB, CIN - There is something intriguing about Dalton coming in with a game-changing receiver and playing for an offensive coordinator that was drooling over him before the draft. Jay Gruden has the potential to make the most out of Dalton's strengths while not exposing his deficiencies. He's a great BPA in the early 4th.

This year you do not even bother to have Weeden on your top-100 list:

2012 Bloom top--100

You obviously don't like him and it shows in every report on Weeden, even when you are, ugh, forced to post positive observations like yesterday's mini-camp where every reporter who was actually there gave a positive report of what they saw.

But you remain consistently negative.

By Sigmund Bloom(NFL Draft Lead Blogger) on May 11, 2012

The nightmare scenario for the Browns is Weeden not outperforming McCoy in training camp and forcing them to admit that they misjudged his ability to start right away.

My take is on the NFL draft, not on Weeden's ability.

The NFL draft is a game within a game and I feel the Browns blew a golden opportunity to maximize an extra first-round selection and additional later round picks.

I actually like Weeden's ability in the pocket, something that you and Matt and Cecil rip him for. I actully don't like Tannenhill because of his hesitency to pull the trigger.

True, Weeden can't run but he slides up in the pocket effectively. I think if he can learn to set-up under center and get up to speed with those timed WCO drops that we will find the Browns recieving corps can run effective crossing patterns and take the middle of the field.

You know that even short crossing patterns take time to develop and that the WCO drops for short crosses use a hitch-step and that is the most difficult thing for any QB to master let alone a guy coming in form a spread who never lined up in a pro-set and took an exchange.

First day of mini-camp had a few blown snap exchanges.

I think the exchange is the first step, then he'll have to master those drops.

It will take time so I have no problem with the coaches putting off naming a starter at this point because the guy they want to name starter isn't ready yet.

 
I do actually have Weeden 43rd, i just dont see him breaking the fantasy top 15-20 QBs, not sure what thats worth really.

 
'Sigmund Bloom said:
I do actually have Weeden 43rd, i just dont see him breaking the fantasy top 15-20 QBs, not sure what thats worth really.
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Oops, you do have him at #4343. Brandon Weeden, QB, CLE - I can't get excited about him. Let someone else take Weeden.

I did not see him there.

I don't know what he will do but I think he has potential to do better than what the FBG consensus has reported on him to date.

He should get a shot to start early in the season if not by opening day. If he is able to have a working knowledge of the WCO he should improve over time. I am guessing you think he will fail or not be productive.

I don't know what he will do but I think he will get plugged into the starting lineup and that he will do do good nuff to stick around and then maybe next year he'll get a legit #1 WR to work with.

I think he will improve over the course of the season because I think that even though he may not have the WCO mastered at the start of the season, that the coaches wil go with him due to physical skills he brings to the table that Colt and Senneca lack.

Pat Shurmur (On if Weeden’s arm strength will allow the offense to open up more)- “He does have a strong arm, so we will be able to do some things, maybe, that we didn’t do a year ago. But I do think that the quarterbacks that we do have on our roster have enough arm, Colt (McCoy), Seneca (Wallace) and Thad (Lewis), to throw any ball.”

You know that by mere mention that he's paying lip service to Colt and Senneca.

 
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