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'Jaysus said:
XPN's "top five at 5" yesterday was top five worst Beatles songs... I missed it, but it looks like they only played 4:The Beatles - Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da - 1967-1970 BuyThe Beatles - Why Don't We Do It In The Road? - The Beatles (White Album) BuyThe Beatles - Rocky Racoon - White Album BuyThe Beatles - Octopus' Garden - Abbey Road BuyComments?
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We all know what the fifth song was.
 
'Jaysus said:
XPN's "top five at 5" yesterday was top five worst Beatles songs... I missed it, but it looks like they only played 4:The Beatles - Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da - 1967-1970 BuyThe Beatles - Why Don't We Do It In The Road? - The Beatles (White Album) BuyThe Beatles - Rocky Racoon - White Album BuyThe Beatles - Octopus' Garden - Abbey Road BuyComments?
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Yeah. That person is an idiot.
 
'saintsfan said:
'Jaysus said:
XPN's "top five at 5" yesterday was top five worst Beatles songs... I missed it, but it looks like they only played 4:The Beatles - Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da - 1967-1970 BuyThe Beatles - Why Don't We Do It In The Road? - The Beatles (White Album) BuyThe Beatles - Rocky Racoon - White Album BuyThe Beatles - Octopus' Garden - Abbey Road BuyComments?
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I can't say I hate any of those.Revolution 9 and Wild Honey Pie are awful.
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I'd go with Revolution 9, Wild Honey Pie, Maxwell's Silver Hammer and any two of the songs that heavily feature a sitar personally.
 
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'Leroy Hoard said:
'saintsfan said:
Revolution 9 and Wild Honey Pie are awful.
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2 of the best reasons to agree with George Martin that a single white album might have been a better idea.
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I used to think this way, Leroy, but not anymore.First, I think it would have been very tough to condense that into a single album. There were a lot of really good songs.Second, if they had condensed it, it would have been, IMO, very similar to Revolver, but not as good because the White Album wasn't very group like.IMO, a double album and the sprawling nature of the album makes it a unique album and is part of it's charm. It also started a rock and roll cliche after which EVERY group would have their "White Album", a double album of odd, quirky songs with no rhyme or reason. The examples are obvious, but the White Album started yet another trend in rock music, just as every masterpiece in rock is called somebody's "Sgt Pepper".In other words, if it wasn't the album it was, it wouldn't have been unique and I don't believe it would have been as remembered as it ended up being.IMO Wild Honey Pie is a bad song, but it's tolerable because it was short. If Revolution 9 had only been a minute and a half, it would be fine too. Not a good song, but a song that fits on the insanity that is the White Album. In fact, that's what I did. Took Revolution 9 and faded it out after about a minute, that way the album is still complete, but you don't have to sit for 8 minutes and listen to that crap.
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Well, a compromise might be to jettison some of the worst stuff and add in the non-albums singles from the same period. In fact, years ago, I got all geeky and did just that: took that Beatles Recording Session book, all of the albums, and Past Masters - with the "rule" that I HAD to place all of the legit PM singles (not the German stuff) on a corresponding album. Harder than it sounds at first blush.Yeah - I had too much time on my hands.
 
'NJDawgPound said:
George had a catalog of music stored up for All Things Must Pass, and the other three did their own thing and went in somewhat different directions music wise. What I have been wondering recently was what did each think of the others' solo stuff. Anything documented out there?
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"How Do You Sleep" had John sneering at Paul's solo records.
 
'saintsfan said:
'Leroy Hoard said:
'saintsfan said:
Revolution 9 and Wild Honey Pie are awful.
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2 of the best reasons to agree with George Martin that a single white album might have been a better idea.
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I used to think this way, Leroy, but not anymore.First, I think it would have been very tough to condense that into a single album. There were a lot of really good songs.Second, if they had condensed it, it would have been, IMO, very similar to Revolver, but not as good because the White Album wasn't very group like.IMO, a double album and the sprawling nature of the album makes it a unique album and is part of it's charm. It also started a rock and roll cliche after which EVERY group would have their "White Album", a double album of odd, quirky songs with no rhyme or reason. The examples are obvious, but the White Album started yet another trend in rock music, just as every masterpiece in rock is called somebody's "Sgt Pepper".In other words, if it wasn't the album it was, it wouldn't have been unique and I don't believe it would have been as remembered as it ended up being.IMO Wild Honey Pie is a bad song, but it's tolerable because it was short. If Revolution 9 had only been a minute and a half, it would be fine too. Not a good song, but a song that fits on the insanity that is the White Album. In fact, that's what I did. Took Revolution 9 and faded it out after about a minute, that way the album is still complete, but you don't have to sit for 8 minutes and listen to that crap.
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Fair enough, but it is still the Beatles album I skip over songs the most.btw, "Glass Onion" rules.
 
John openly criticized some of Paul's solo stuff. Other eyewitness reports, however, says that John kind of admired Paul for starting another band and going out on the road, so who knows. John tended to fluctuate between one interview and the next.

The others were, IMO, too polite to openly criticize one another's solo career. I haven't read a whole lot from any of them, except John, where he talks about Paul's solo work. The others, it seems, didn't say much. If Godsbrother knows differently, I'd love to read about it.

 
'Jaysus said:
I should add that those were all Facebook requests and not XPN picks, still it was interesting, I would have liked to have been able to listen to it. I suppose I could check their face book for commentary.
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Here is a link to the Facebook post with discussion on the topic.ETA: Judging by the discussion it looks like Revolution 9 was the 5th and they didn't play it because, well, because they are a radio station ;)

 
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saintsfan said:
The Cavern and Brian EpsteinThis part of the story also begins in Hamburg. During the first Hamburg trip, the Beatles played with a guy named Tony Sheridan, who was a British singer and guitarist. During the Beatles second Hamburg trip in 1961, Tony asked the Beatles to be his backup band on a recording session in Germany. The recordings were issued as Tony Sheridan and the Beat Brothers because it was thought that the word Beatles would sound a bit too much like the German word for penis. Anyway, the recordings that came out of this session would be a track called My Bonnie, with Sheridan on lead vocal and lead guitar, Ain't She Sweet, featuring John Lennon on lead vocal and an instrumental called Cry For A Shadow, which kind of sounded like Cliff Richard and the Shadows, a famous group in England at the time.When the Beatles first returned from Hamburg, they started playing in a club in England called the Cavern. The Cavern had been a jazz club, but the popularity of rock and roll in Liverpool at the time caused the owners of the Cavern to start booking rock bands. One of the bands they booked were billed as "The Fabulous Beatles Directly from Hamburg." This caused some confusion as the Liverpool teenagers remarked that the Beatles "spoke great English". Others in the audience, however, recognized the boys as being the Quarrymen. However, in the time since they had last heard the band, a transformation had taken place. No longer a bunch of rank amateurs who could barely play, the Beatles were now a good, stomping rock band. Their popularity continued to grow. The Cavern became the Beatles main place to play from this time forward. They would play lunch time shows during the week and on weekends. The Cavern was underground. It was small, sweaty , and crowded, in other words, the perfect place to play a rock and roll show.It was around this time that a local record store called North End Music Stores started getting requests from teenagers for a record called My Bonnie by the Beatles. The manager of the store, a guy named Brian Epstein had never heard of the group. After searching for a bit, someone finally told him that the group plays lunchtime shows right down the street at a place called the Cavern. Brian decided to go and check them out. What he saw amazed him. He loved the Beatles beat, their sense of humor on stage, and their charisma. Brian was also a homosexual and probably liked other things. He, especially, took a liking to John Lennon. All that stuff is more on the "National Enquirer" side of the Beatles story and not part of this, so I will skip it for now. In any event, the Beatles were impressed that Brian owned a music store and Brian was impressed by the Beatles sound and charisma. He asked if he could manage them and they said yes.A quick word about one of the many "fifth Beatles", Stuart Sutcliffe. You will remember that Stuart decided to stay in Germany with Astrid after the first Hamburg tour ended. Soon after, Stuart dropped out of the Beatles for good. Instead of replacing him, Paul bought a Hofner 500/1 bass guitar, yes THAT bass guitar, and became the Beatles bass player making the Beatles a quartet. Stuart died of a cerebral brain hemorrhage in 1962. John, especially, was devastated. Stuart was probably John's best friend at this point. Stuart never remained far away from the Beatles thoughts. He even appears on the cover of Sgt. Pepper. Those watching the Free As A Bird video from Anthology 1 will notice Stuart appearing briefly. I will leave Stuart's bass playing "challenges" to others as it has already been mentioned. Stuart was not the most intuitive of musicians and Stuart, knowing this, left the Beatles. As he was John's friend, he would not have left any other way for as long as John was in the Beatles, I believe so would Stuart.Next...Brian's influence and the infamous Decca audition
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great thread, started it earlier but rereading it...

excerpted from above...

"The recordings were issued as Tony Sheridan and the Beat Brothers because it was thought that the word Beatles would sound a bit too much like the German word for penis."

did not know this. it does sort of the beg the question, after later stand alone success on a massive scale, did this fact hurt sales in germany (i could see it hurting a US band with that name in the '60s)? :)

 
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Leroy Hoard said:
'saintsfan said:
'Leroy Hoard said:
'saintsfan said:
Revolution 9 and Wild Honey Pie are awful.
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2 of the best reasons to agree with George Martin that a single white album might have been a better idea.
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I used to think this way, Leroy, but not anymore.First, I think it would have been very tough to condense that into a single album. There were a lot of really good songs.Second, if they had condensed it, it would have been, IMO, very similar to Revolver, but not as good because the White Album wasn't very group like.IMO, a double album and the sprawling nature of the album makes it a unique album and is part of it's charm. It also started a rock and roll cliche after which EVERY group would have their "White Album", a double album of odd, quirky songs with no rhyme or reason. The examples are obvious, but the White Album started yet another trend in rock music, just as every masterpiece in rock is called somebody's "Sgt Pepper".In other words, if it wasn't the album it was, it wouldn't have been unique and I don't believe it would have been as remembered as it ended up being.IMO Wild Honey Pie is a bad song, but it's tolerable because it was short. If Revolution 9 had only been a minute and a half, it would be fine too. Not a good song, but a song that fits on the insanity that is the White Album. In fact, that's what I did. Took Revolution 9 and faded it out after about a minute, that way the album is still complete, but you don't have to sit for 8 minutes and listen to that crap.
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Fair enough, but it is still the Beatles album I skip over songs the most.btw, "Glass Onion" rules.
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Also a huge fan of Savoy Truffle

 
mccartney video circa band on the run, 50 minute rehearsal at EMI/abbey road...

 
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Wrigley said:
Any good books about the Beatles?
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I have read a ton of them and these are three of my favorites:The Complete Beatles Recording Sessions by Mark Lewisohn

http://www.amazon.com/The-Complete-Beatles-Recording-Sessions/dp/0600612074

Notes every Beatles recording session for EMI. Lots of pics and very interesting.

Here, There, and Everywhere: My Life Recording the Music of the Beatles by Geoff Emerick

http://www.amazon.com/Here-There-Everywhere-Recording-Beatles/dp/1592402690/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1365698643&sr=1-1&keywords=geoff+emerick.+here.+there+and+everywhere+my+life+recording+the+music+of+the+beatles

The legendary recoding engineer tells his rise as a 15 year old assistant at EMI to chief recording engineer for the Beatles. He has an extremely interesting insider's take on the Beatles as musicians and personalities.

The Beatles Anthology by The Beatles

http://www.amazon.com/Beatles-Anthology/dp/0811836363/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1365698612&sr=1-1&keywords=the+beatles+anthology+hardback

The Beatles' own account of their story. Tons of pictures.

 
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Godsbrother said:
Wrigley said:
Any good books about the Beatles?
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I have read a ton of them and these are three of my favorites:The Complete Beatles Recording Sessions by Mark Lewisohn

http://www.amazon.com/The-Complete-Beatles-Recording-Sessions/dp/0600612074

Notes every Beatles recording session for EMI. Lots of pics and very interesting.

Here, There, and Everywhere: My Life Recording the Music of the Beatles by Geoff Emerick

http://www.amazon.com/Here-There-Everywhere-Recording-Beatles/dp/1592402690/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1365698643&sr=1-1&keywords=geoff+emerick.+here.+there+and+everywhere+my+life+recording+the+music+of+the+beatles

The legendary recoding engineer tells his rise as a 15 year old assistant at EMI to chief recording engineer for the Beatles. He has an extremely interesting insider's take on the Beatles as musicians and personalities.

The Beatles Anthology by The Beatles

http://www.amazon.com/Beatles-Anthology/dp/0811836363/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1365698612&sr=1-1&keywords=the+beatles+anthology+hardback

The Beatles' own account of their story. Tons of pictures.
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Thanks

 
Just pulled up

for a listen- one of my underated guilty pleasure Beatles tunes... :wub:
 
Wrigley said:
Godsbrother said:
Wrigley said:
Any good books about the Beatles?
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I have read a ton of them and these are three of my favorites:The Complete Beatles Recording Sessions by Mark Lewisohn

http://www.amazon.com/The-Complete-Beatles-Recording-Sessions/dp/0600612074

Notes every Beatles recording session for EMI. Lots of pics and very interesting.

Here, There, and Everywhere: My Life Recording the Music of the Beatles by Geoff Emerick

http://www.amazon.com/Here-There-Everywhere-Recording-Beatles/dp/1592402690/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1365698643&sr=1-1&keywords=geoff+emerick.+here.+there+and+everywhere+my+life+recording+the+music+of+the+beatles

The legendary recoding engineer tells his rise as a 15 year old assistant at EMI to chief recording engineer for the Beatles. He has an extremely interesting insider's take on the Beatles as musicians and personalities.

The Beatles Anthology by The Beatles

http://www.amazon.com/Beatles-Anthology/dp/0811836363/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1365698612&sr=1-1&keywords=the+beatles+anthology+hardback

The Beatles' own account of their story. Tons of pictures.
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cool. Those kids are amazing :thumbup:

 
first hour or so of harrison's concert for bangladesh... i found out about all things must pass (first songs after beatles, around time of this concert, with some featured here) independently recently, but this thread reminded me about it... quickly becoming one of my favorites... spector may have overdone some things, but i thought the wall of sound worked great in this context...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fp8g2wlIswY

concert for george...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4ssMjOrd-E

mccartney going home bio-doc with concert footage from about '90 (?)...

 
maybe the best mccartney and wings concert footage, rockshow (1:42) circa '76, on the wings over america tour (from seattle, i think, may have broken attendance record at that time)... there was a lot of excitement as it was his first live appearance in the US in about a decade... this is reportedly being released in june after being OOP for a while...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TOw52kT4NI

wings over the world, a 73 minute doc that is to be included on some of the wings over america sets released next month...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9TQh-sAoSg

* both of these (as well as the band on the run video above) feature the late jimmy mccullough, who may have been the best guitarist the band ever had... he is on fire on some of these songs... some mccartney & wings material can be mellow, but in the early-mid '70s they had some pretty rocking shows...

 
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Godsbrother said:
Wrigley said:
Any good books about the Beatles?
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I have read a ton of them and these are three of my favorites:Here, There, and Everywhere: My Life Recording the Music of the Beatles by Geoff Emerick

http://www.amazon.com/Here-There-Everywhere-Recording-Beatles/dp/1592402690/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1365698643&sr=1-1&keywords=geoff+emerick.+here.+there+and+everywhere+my+life+recording+the+music+of+the+beatles

The legendary recoding engineer tells his rise as a 15 year old assistant at EMI to chief recording engineer for the Beatles. He has an extremely interesting insider's take on the Beatles as musicians and personalities.
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I have read every one in your list. This was good, very inside, as you said. However, what sticks out is Emerick's repeated digs at George and his ability. After reading this, I wondered if there was something personal between them.

 
the maysles bros. had lightning strike twice... they got to film beatles in historic first US visit (documented on DVD by that title), after getting a call just two hours prior, and the one taking call didn't even know about them (luckily his brother did)... they also shot the stones at altamont in gimme shelter...

there is such a wall of sound on awaiting you all from harrison's ATMP, i couldn't distinguish the lyrics... after reading them, didn't realize first line is, "don't need a be in (or a bed pan)", sounding like a shot at john/yoko...

 
not sure if this was already posted... the rutles all you need is cash (8 parts)...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fu3T_2GzXSo

hilarious send up of the beatles, actually pretty faithful to some of the key events in the 60s...

stars eric idle of python fame (george mortgaged his mansion to finance life of brian), and cameos by harrison, mick jagger, ron wood, michael palin, bill murray, dan aykroyd, john belushi, gilda radner, franken and davis, etc...

the spoofs of beatles songs (hard days rut, help becomes ouch, i am the walrus becomes piggy in the middle :) ) were so good, apple sued and won a judgement against musician/actor neil innes (he played ron nasty, ie - lennon), so all songs had to be credited to lennon/mccartney... some of them are uncannily like the beatles...

this was made in '78, six years before spinal tap, so maybe is the grand daddy of mockumentaries?

 
Encyclopedia Brown said:
Godsbrother said:
Wrigley said:
Any good books about the Beatles?
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I have read a ton of them and these are three of my favorites:Here, There, and Everywhere: My Life Recording the Music of the Beatles by Geoff Emerick

http://www.amazon.com/Here-There-Everywhere-Recording-Beatles/dp/1592402690/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1365698643&sr=1-1&keywords=geoff+emerick.+here.+there+and+everywhere+my+life+recording+the+music+of+the+beatles

The legendary recoding engineer tells his rise as a 15 year old assistant at EMI to chief recording engineer for the Beatles. He has an extremely interesting insider's take on the Beatles as musicians and personalities.
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I have read every one in your list. This was good, very inside, as you said. However, what sticks out is Emerick's repeated digs at George and his ability. After reading this, I wondered if there was something personal between them.
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I don't think they were digs at his ability as much as his problems nailing his guitar solos in the recording studio. A lot of the Beatles outtakes show some really bad attempts at guitar solos.

One of the interesting observations made in this book was that, although the Let It Be film showed an incident between Paul and George, it was really John that was on George's case the most during the Get Back/Let It Be sessions. Emerick also said that George, even more than Paul, was pissed at Yoko's presence in the studio.

 
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Bob Magaw said:
not sure if this was already posted... the rutles all you need is cash (8 parts)...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fu3T_2GzXSo

hilarious send up of the beatles, actually pretty faithful to some of the key events in the 60s...

stars eric idle of python fame (george mortgaged his mansion to finance life of brian), and cameos by harrison, mick jagger, ron wood, michael palin, bill murray, dan aykroyd, john belushi, gilda radner, franken and davis, etc...

the spoofs of beatles songs (hard days rut, help becomes ouch, i am the walrus becomes piggy in the middle :) ) were so good, apple sued and won a judgement against musician/actor neil innes (he played ron nasty, ie - lennon), so all songs had to be credited to lennon/mccartney... some of them are uncannily like the beatles...

this was made in '78, six years before spinal tap, so maybe is the grand daddy of mockumentaries?
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Actually it wasn't Apple that sued but rather ATV, the company that owned the rights to the Beatles songs that took legal action. John Lennon loved the film but warned Innes the songs sounded too similar and he should change them to avoid litigation from ATV.

One of my favorite parts of the film was George Harrison appearing as a reported in front of the Rutle Corps office:

http://www.myspace.com/video/ohnothimagen/george-harrison-39-s-cameo-in-quot-all-you-need-is-cash-quot-1978/20215076

 
I just finished reading this entire thread. Took several weeks, stopping and starting. Great stuff by all.

Love the Rutles. When I first got together with my wife I rented The Rutles and Spinal Tap on video to see how she reacted. Needless to say I married her, so it went well.

One of my work campradres presented me with The Rutles on cd as a birthday present a couple of years back. I have the album on vinyl as well as a rare radio station promo on yellow vinyl with the banana logo.

Cheese and Onions and Hold My Hand are brilliant satire, lovingly done.

 
the aforementioned yellow submarine sandwich, cheese and onions excerpt (also one of my favorites, especially for the pitch perfect animation - not sure if original animators did this?)...

hold my hand (i want to hold your hand, circa sullivan show era)...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDWDM0V7Nxo

 
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Godsbrother said:
Encyclopedia Brown said:
Godsbrother said:
Wrigley said:
Any good books about the Beatles?
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I have read a ton of them and these are three of my favorites:Here, There, and Everywhere: My Life Recording the Music of the Beatles by Geoff Emerick

http://www.amazon.com/Here-There-Everywhere-Recording-Beatles/dp/1592402690/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1365698643&sr=1-1&keywords=geoff+emerick.+here.+there+and+everywhere+my+life+recording+the+music+of+the+beatles

The legendary recoding engineer tells his rise as a 15 year old assistant at EMI to chief recording engineer for the Beatles. He has an extremely interesting insider's take on the Beatles as musicians and personalities.
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I have read every one in your list. This was good, very inside, as you said. However, what sticks out is Emerick's repeated digs at George and his ability. After reading this, I wondered if there was something personal between them.
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I don't think they were digs at his ability as much as his problems nailing his guitar solos in the recording studio. A lot of the Beatles outtakes show some really bad attempts at guitar solos.

One of the interesting observations made in this book was that, although the Let It Be film showed an incident between Paul and George, it was really John that was on George's case the most during the Get Back/Let It Be sessions. Emerick also said that George, even more than Paul, was pissed at Yoko's presence in the studio.
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Agreed. Paul was a meglomaniac, but everything I've read is that John was more dismissive of George's stuff.

George wasn't a "natural" lead guitarist like Clapton or Jimi. He was never satisfied with what he did on "Let It Be" (hence the two "official" versions) and it pissed him off to no end not to get what he wanted on "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" (hence Clapton, though maybe John or Paul could've done it; the official version is that George wanted to get both back in line by bringing someone else in). He had to bully his way through a lot of his soloes, as he didn't have the natural talent for it. All the more credit to him in my book, given the result.

 
Bob Magaw said:
file in things that could have been department...

most insane super group ever...

hendrix, miles davis, mccartney, tony williams!!!

mccartney said in interview (new york stadium DVD?) that hendrix was his favorite guitarist, before or since...

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/jimi-hendrix-sought-paul-mccartney-for-supergroup-with-miles-davis-20130510?utm_source=dailynewsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter
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Bob, was that part of Jimi's dream of an "Electric Sky Church"?. Been awhile, but my recollection is that Hendrix wanted to have - instead of self-contained groups - a revolving bunch of musicians who would come in and out for different sessions. I seem to remember Zappa being involved in it and maybe Stephen Stills(?).
 
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For those of you wondering what John Lennon and Paul McCartney would sound like if they ever worked together:

 
Uruk-Hai said:
Godsbrother said:
Encyclopedia Brown said:
Godsbrother said:
Wrigley said:
Any good books about the Beatles?
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I have read a ton of them and these are three of my favorites:Here, There, and Everywhere: My Life Recording the Music of the Beatles by Geoff Emerick

http://www.amazon.com/Here-There-Everywhere-Recording-Beatles/dp/1592402690/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1365698643&sr=1-1&keywords=geoff+emerick.+here.+there+and+everywhere+my+life+recording+the+music+of+the+beatles

The legendary recoding engineer tells his rise as a 15 year old assistant at EMI to chief recording engineer for the Beatles. He has an extremely interesting insider's take on the Beatles as musicians and personalities.
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I have read every one in your list. This was good, very inside, as you said. However, what sticks out is Emerick's repeated digs at George and his ability. After reading this, I wondered if there was something personal between them.
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I don't think they were digs at his ability as much as his problems nailing his guitar solos in the recording studio. A lot of the Beatles outtakes show some really bad attempts at guitar solos.

One of the interesting observations made in this book was that, although the Let It Be film showed an incident between Paul and George, it was really John that was on George's case the most during the Get Back/Let It Be sessions. Emerick also said that George, even more than Paul, was pissed at Yoko's presence in the studio.
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Agreed. Paul was a meglomaniac, but everything I've read is that John was more dismissive of George's stuff.

George wasn't a "natural" lead guitarist like Clapton or Jimi. He was never satisfied with what he did on "Let It Be" (hence the two "official" versions) and it pissed him off to no end not to get what he wanted on "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" (hence Clapton, though maybe John or Paul could've done it; the official version is that George wanted to get both back in line by bringing someone else in). He had to bully his way through a lot of his soloes, as he didn't have the natural talent for it. All the more credit to him in my book, given the result.
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IMO Paul was probably the best guitarist in the band technically, but George had a unique sound and Paul sounds like any random guitarist. One of the problems is that George didn't work real fast. He had to work it out and time was the one thing the early Beatles didn't have.

George put it best when he said that John and Paul wrote all their bad songs before they became famous. By the mid-late 60s George's contributions were critical and we all saw how great he was with All Things Must Pass.

 
Many musicians consider In My Life the best written tune ever. I don't know about that, but Lennon's lyrics are amazing...

There are places I remember
All my life, though some have changed
Some forever not for better
Some have gone and some remain
All these places have their moments
With lovers and friends I still can recall
Some are dead and some are living
In my life I've loved them all

But of all these friends and lovers
There is no one compares with you
And these memories lose their meaning
When I think of love as something new
Though I know I'll never lose affection
For people and things that went before
I know I'll often stop and think about them
In my life I love you more

Though I know I'll never lose affection
For people and things that went before
I know I'll often stop and think about them
In my life I love you more
In my life I love you more

 
Brunell4MVP said:
Many musicians consider In My Life the best written tune ever. I don't know about that, but Lennon's lyrics are amazing...

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When someone asks me whats the "best" pop song ever this is the answer without delay. I don't know if I've convinced myself or what, but I don't think there is a single note or syllable in the song that could be improved. I don't. And when someone tells me they don't like or don't "get" the Beatles, this is the song I ask them to listen to.

 
mccartney will be on the colbert show* tonight (sorry for short notice)...

one hour show, second ever (i think radiohead was other)...

* comedy central

8:30-9:30 PM, at least on west coast

 
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mark lewisohn book comes out 10-29-13...

titled tune in: the beatles: all these years

first in planned trilogy by probably the world's greatest authority on the group...

also, on air - live at the BBC vol 2 (and remastered vol 1) release 11-11-13...

* companion book to the BBC recordings by kevin howlett (i've seen his name on some of the liner notes) also comes out 10-29-13...

 
Godsbrother said:
Saints-Man said:
saintsfan said:
...Overall, the Capitol albums are far inferior to the British versions, which are classics. If you want to get into the Beatles and understand their albums and how they evolved over the years, the British albums are the ones you should have....
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I am not much of an audiofile, but I love the Beatles. Where do you purchase the British albums? Does Amazon sell them?Edited to add: You also have my undying love for this thread. Plus you are a Saints fan!!!!
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The individual CDs sold by Amazon and retail stores are the British versions. The first 8 American versions are only available in two boxed sets.
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