The Birther Conspiracy Thread (1 Viewer)

[Mr. Retukes]

It's probably why he had to create an alternatate identity utilizing a SS number that he couldn't have acquired through normal channels

Birthers: WHY DOES OBAMA HAVE A CONNECTICUT SS NUMBER??

 

[Mr. Retukes]

You just keep on believing that will all your little heart. Race was not a "fill-in-the-blank", it was a check box selection, just as it is on government forms today.

There was no check box for "Other"?

 

[Bronco Billy]

You just keep on believing that will all your little heart. Race was not a "fill-in-the-blank", it was a check box selection, just as it is on government forms today.

There was no check box for "Other"?

Is "Other" a Hawaiian word for African?

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

The application forms back then have been shown to have "colored" as the choice of race for blacks, with a switch to "negro" around 1960/1961.

Link?
Update, August 26: We received responses to some of our questions from the Hawaii Department of Health. They couldn't tell us anything about their security paper, but they did answer another frequently-raised question: why is Obama's father's race listed as "African"? Kurt Tsue at the DOH told us that father's race and mother's race are supplied by the parents, and that "we accept what the parents self identify themselves to be." We consider it reasonable to believe that Barack Obama, Sr., would have thought of and reported himself as "African." It's certainly not the slam dunk some readers have made it out to be.

You just keep on believing that will all your little heart. Race was not a "fill-in-the-blank", it was a check box selection, just as it is on government forms today.

You have a link to the 1961 form that was available in Hawaii?Edit to add: Is WorldNut credible?

 

[Bronco Billy]

Edit to add: Is WorldNut credible?

Hey, you take Obama at his word with no proof whatsoever. I'd say the credibility issue lies with the President.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

Edit to add: Is WorldNut credible?

Hey, you take Obama at his word with no proof whatsoever. I'd say the credibility issue lies with the President.

Is the image that the WorldNet posted to demonstrate that there is more information on a "long form" and to raise other issues the form that would have been filled out for Obama, or not? If not, then please link the relevant form.

If so, then please show the check boxes on the "Race of Father" and "Race of Mother" portion of the linked "long form".

Demonstrate that your "Race was not a 'fill-in-the-blank', it was a check box selection" statement was credible in any way shape or form before you ask me to question anyone else's "word with no proof whatsoever".

Thanks

 

[matuski]

Why doesn't he just end all of the speculation and release his birth certificate?

He shouldn't have to. You don't play down to the lowest common denominator.

Why would he.. this is the best thing going for him right now. He doesn't have to do a thing, and the opposition looks the fool.

 

[Jewell]

Edit to add: Is WorldNut credible?

Most web news sites now are a conglomeration of independent contractors. Credibility varies between writers, but on the whole WND is not discerbibly worse than other cites.Take for instance this HuffPost link dropped above. I'm not sure if the author's credible. You tell me...

Birthers: WHY DOES OBAMA HAVE A CONNECTICUT SS NUMBER??

So the new new thing in Birtherism -- the hot conspiracy for interplanetary peyote-monkeys -- involves the complaint that President Barack Obama has a "Connecticut Social Security Number" -- which seems pretty pointless, unless I've been overlooking that section of the Constitution that renders people with such Social Security numbers ineligible to serve as President of the United States.

This whole matter came up in a White House briefing after Birther White House Correspondent Les Kinsolving peppered Robert Gibbs with questions about the matter that were raised by interplanetary peyote-monkey digest WorldNetDaily:

[author inserted cut-and-paste]

Because we are a great and generous nation, America will nevertheless continue to care for these interplanetary peyote-monkeys of the Birther movement, making sure they are fed and have shelter and continue to use the advanced indoor plumbing technology of our society to relieve themselves of their waste.

Good to give the full link, though. The Looney Tunes cartoon was a perfect accent and the Huff Post header gave it that air of credibility.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

Edit to add: Is WorldNut credible?

Most web news sites now are a conglomeration of independent contractors. Credibility varies between writers, but on the whole WND is not discerbibly worse than other cites.

All I am asking is whether the picture in that link is real or not? If so, then where are the check boxes that Bronco Billy authoritatively claims to be on the form?It is not that complicated.

 

[jon_mx]

The problem with WorldNetDaily is their founder tends to be one of the most unreliable of their sources. Most of their other sources tend to be far more credible.

 

[Jewell]

Edit to add: Is WorldNut credible?

Most web news sites now are a conglomeration of independent contractors. Credibility varies between writers, but on the whole WND is not discerbibly worse than other cites.

All I am asking is whether the picture in that link is real or not? If so, then where are the check boxes that Bronco Billy authoritatively claims to be on the form?It is not that complicated.

Ooops. My bad.They all look real... but I don't know for sure. If they are real you're right about the open field rather than check box for race.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

The problem with WorldNetDaily is their founder tends to be one of the most unreliable of their sources. Most of their other sources tend to be far more credible.

Pat Boone, Chuck Norris, Ellis Washington and Victoria Jackson? Yes, a lineup of impeccable credibility. (Have you read anything by Victoria Jackson? She's consistently awesome if you're a fan of stupid and crazy.)

 

[Bronco Billy]

Why doesn't he just end all of the speculation and release his birth certificate?

He shouldn't have to. You don't play down to the lowest common denominator.

Why would he.. this is the best thing going for him right now. He doesn't have to do a thing, and the opposition looks the fool.

The opposition would look like fools if he could produce the document. As it stands, the majority of the country thinks the problem is with him and not with the birthers. If hiding his documentation is the best thing he has going for him, that pretty much sums up his tenure as Prez so far.

 

[JZilla]

(Have you read anything by Victoria Jackson? She's consistently awesome if you're a fan of stupid and crazy.)

I still think it's shtick.

 

[shader]

I think this controversy is so funny. I wouldn't be surprised if it's a big trap. Let trump and others get on board, sink their teeth in, buy into this 100%, and then the Obama guys release the birth certificate and reputations are ruined.

 

[Bronco Billy]

I think this controversy is so funny. I wouldn't be surprised if it's a big trap. Let trump and others get on board, sink their teeth in, buy into this 100%, and then the Obama guys release the birth certificate and reputations are ruined.

That would be cool - IF he can do it. Something tells me he would have done that already if he could have. He loves the attention too much.You can't help but ask why it's such a joke for any America citizen to ask such a simple thing from their President. Once the first person asked, he should have complied gladly - just like McCain did when asked. I also can't help but think that if he actually does have it - which I doubt - that after such a prolonged period of denial and sending out his team of lawyers and the Justice department across the country to derail lawsuits that the tables will be turned and the joke will end up being on him.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

I think this controversy is so funny. I wouldn't be surprised if it's a big trap. Let trump and others get on board, sink their teeth in, buy into this 100%, and then the Obama guys release the birth certificate and reputations are ruined.

Ever heard the term "October Surprise"?

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

That would be cool - IF he can do it. Something tells me he would have done that already if he could have. He loves the attention too much.

So you can't find the check boxes either?

 

[Bronco Billy]

That would be cool - IF he can do it. Something tells me he would have done that already if he could have. He loves the attention too much.

So you can't find the check boxes either?

African

 

[Bronco Billy]

It really is amazing though. Some people think it's damned funny, and some think it's courageous.

But let's not lose sight of the facts. Obama is President of the United States. Not just of the Dems, but of all of us. He works for all of us. He has repeatedly denied some Americans their day in court when all they want to do is check for compliance with the Constitution of the country. Whether those people are right or wrong, they have every right as citizens to ask for proof of that compliance.

This is the same President who until recently wanted to give terrorists their day in the United States court system but continues to deny it to citizens for something, that if it exists, that is so easy to produce.

This is the same President who could have prevented an 18 year decorated veteran doctor with an unblemished military record from receiving a 6 month sentence in Leavenworth by simply providing his birth certificate when requested. A simple act, no question, if he in fact possesses the document. I don't agree at all with Dr. Lakin's tactics, but with a simple act Obama could have prevented the whole scenario from playing out.

So call it courage, or call it hilarity as it pleases you. To me it's sickening that this has dragged out the way it has. And if Obama actually has that document and has allowed this to play out so far, it's even more so. At least if he is running a grand con game, he has a good excuse for his actions. There's no excuse for letting this go so far if he does have proper documentation.

 

[datonn]

As mentioned earlier in this thread, the laws in 1961 required BOTH parents to be citizens if a child was born outside the U.S.A.

Besides, at this point most birthers are way past "he was born in Kenya!" and have moved on to "he's hiding something on his birth certificate!!" (i.e., he's listed as a Muslim).

What's he hiding? No, I mean that sincerely. What...is...he...hiding?! The fact that he is a "secret Muslim?!" So what if he was? He's not, but so what if he was? Ever heard of freedom of religion? Or, what I also believe was equally important to the Founding Fathers: Freedom FROM religion? I'm a Christian. I believe in God...believe that Jesus came to Earth to die for our sins and give us the opportunity at eternal life if we accept him/God as our Lord and Savior. That said, I also believe that people have the right NOT to be Christian, not to believe in any form of deity. I'd prefer that they would...and that they would come to learn/see over time that there is eternal life and a loving God who is waiting for us to accept his gift/grace! However, the racism, elitism, and the complete opposite of "judge not, lest ye be judged" is absolutely abhorrent in modern society! Seriously, I'm not sure how most so-called Christians can stand to look themselves in the mirror most days. Yet they're out there...beating, shaming, defaming and __________ anyone and everyone who doesn't subscribe to their world view. I'm so tired of it...and it has driven me away from the Church as a result. Not from my faith and not from God, but from all the small-minded idiots who are WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY too "Old Testament" in their words/deeds, and not enough "New Testament."

The Republican Party no longer exists. It's the Theocratic Party...trying to foist its world-view and religion upon the rest of society and the world...much like all those "radical Muslims" in other nations that they rail against...all the while radicalizing more and more Moderates/Agnostics/Atheists with their polarizing and offensive words/deeds. Shame on Christianity. God has to be embarrassed at what his Church has become.

Yep, between you and Jewell (combined), that's all you can come up with. Excellent rebuttal to my "small-minded" assertions, BTW.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

...There's no excuse for letting this go so far if he does have proper documentation.

link
The certificate has all the elements the State Department requires for proving citizenship to obtain a U.S. passport: "your full name, the full name of your parent(s), date and place of birth, sex, date the birth record was filed, and the seal or other certification of the official custodian of such records." The names, date and place of birth, and filing date are all evident on the scanned version, and you can see the seal above.

 

[SeveredHorseHeads]

It really is amazing though. Some people think it's damned funny, and some think it's courageous.But let's not lose sight of the facts. Obama is President of the United States. Not just of the Dems, but of all of us. He works for all of us. He has repeatedly denied some Americans their day in court when all they want to do is check for compliance with the Constitution of the country. Whether those people are right or wrong, they have every right as citizens to ask for proof of that compliance.This is the same President who until recently wanted to give terrorists their day in the United States court system but continues to deny it to citizens for something, that if it exists, that is so easy to produce. This is the same President who could have prevented an 18 year decorated veteran doctor with an unblemished military record from receiving a 6 month sentence in Leavenworth by simply providing his birth certificate when requested. A simple act, no question, if he in fact possesses the document. I don't agree at all with Dr. Lakin's tactics, but with a simple act Obama could have prevented the whole scenario from playing out. So call it courage, or call it hilarity as it pleases you. To me it's sickening that this has dragged out the way it has. And if Obama actually has that document and has allowed this to play out so far, it's even more so. At least if he is running a grand con game, he has a good excuse for his actions. There's no excuse for letting this go so far if he does have proper documentation.

 

[Bronco Billy]

...There's no excuse for letting this go so far if he does have proper documentation.

link
The certificate has all the elements the State Department requires for proving citizenship to obtain a U.S. passport: "your full name, the full name of your parent(s), date and place of birth, sex, date the birth record was filed, and the seal or other certification of the official custodian of such records." The names, date and place of birth, and filing date are all evident on the scanned version, and you can see the seal above.

Fact Check?

African?



If Obama were 10, he couldn't get into Little League with that document.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

African?

Still waiting for the link to the check boxes.

 

[Thunderlips]

Please keep the theories coming....I'm dying laughing here!

 

[matuski]

There's no excuse for letting this go so far if he does have proper documentation.

Birthers have given him every incentive he could ever dream of to milk this for another 5 years.

 

[jon_mx]

There's no excuse for letting this go so far if he does have proper documentation.

Birthers The media have given him every incentive all the cover he could ever dream of to milk skate this for another 5 years.

Fixed

 

[Brock Middlebrook]

...There's no excuse for letting this go so far if he does have proper documentation.

link
The certificate has all the elements the State Department requires for proving citizenship to obtain a U.S. passport: "your full name, the full name of your parent(s), date and place of birth, sex, date the birth record was filed, and the seal or other certification of the official custodian of such records." The names, date and place of birth, and filing date are all evident on the scanned version, and you can see the seal above.

Next time I apply for a passport then, I'll bring in my iPad to show copies of my documents

 

[Brock Middlebrook]

Perhaps Obama taking the same approach with this as Kerry took with his service records, Bush took with the defending the war decision and Dukkakis took with Willie Horton is best.....

 

[matuski]

There's no excuse for letting this go so far if he does have proper documentation.

Birthers The media have given him every incentive all the cover he could ever dream of to milk skate this for another 5 years.

Fixed

This may be the worst attempt at strikethrough schtick ive seen. From jon, of course.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

...There's no excuse for letting this go so far if he does have proper documentation.

link
The certificate has all the elements the State Department requires for proving citizenship to obtain a U.S. passport: "your full name, the full name of your parent(s), date and place of birth, sex, date the birth record was filed, and the seal or other certification of the official custodian of such records." The names, date and place of birth, and filing date are all evident on the scanned version, and you can see the seal above.

Next time I apply for a passport then, I'll bring in my iPad to show copies of my documents

If you click on the link you will see that those coming to that conclusion actually visited the campaign headquarters of Obama'08 and touch and felt the birth certificate to come to that conclusion. But since when did the majority of the GOP ever bother to let silly things like facts get in the way anyway?

 

[The Future Champs]

(Have you read anything by Victoria Jackson? She's consistently awesome if you're a fan of stupid and crazy.)

I still think it's shtick.

Agreed. I think she's lampooning the stupid and crazy, as there's a few tipoffs in the stories.

 

[Sarnoff]

...There's no excuse for letting this go so far if he does have proper documentation.

link
The certificate has all the elements the State Department requires for proving citizenship to obtain a U.S. passport: "your full name, the full name of your parent(s), date and place of birth, sex, date the birth record was filed, and the seal or other certification of the official custodian of such records." The names, date and place of birth, and filing date are all evident on the scanned version, and you can see the seal above.

So why doesn't Obama give permission for Hawaii to release his birth certificate?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110122/ap_on_re_us/us_obama_birth_certificate

Hawaii law bars release of Obama birth info

By MARK NIESSE, Associated Press Mark Niesse, Associated Press – Sat Jan 22, 4:56 am ET

HONOLULU – A privacy law that shields birth certificates has prompted Democratic Gov. Neil Abercrombie to abandon efforts to dispel claims that President Barack Obama was born outside Hawaii, his office says.

State Attorney General David Louie told the governor that privacy laws bar him from disclosing an individual's birth documentation without the person's consent, Abercrombie spokeswoman Donalyn Dela Cruz said Friday.

"There is nothing more that Gov. Abercrombie can do within the law to produce a document," said Dela Cruz. "Unfortunately, there are conspirators who will continue to question the citizenship of our president."

Abercrombie, who was a friend of Obama's parents and knew him as a child, launched an investigation last month into whether he can release more information about the president's Aug. 4, 1961 birth. The governor said at the time he was bothered by people who questioned Obama's birthplace for political reasons.

But Abercrombie's attempt reached a dead end when Louie told him the law restricted his options.

Hawaii's privacy laws have long barred the release of a certified birth certificate to anyone who doesn't have a tangible interest.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

So why doesn't Obama give permission for Hawaii to release his birth certificate?

So the ANTI-Obama people (see McCain/Palin/TeaBagged rallies) will continue to be be stuck on this spin cycle. Just like you are now.

 

[bigbottom]

If Obama were 10, he couldn't get into Little League with that document.

Sure he could. Little League is a pretty big deal in Hawaii. One of their teams recently made it all the way to the World Series championship game.

 

[cubd8]

There's no excuse for letting this go so far if he does have proper documentation.

Birthers have given him every incentive he could ever dream of to milk this for another 5 years.

Agreed. Obama would be crazy to release anything that ends this, if anything he should keep this going throughout the election cycle.

 

[Brock Middlebrook]

...There's no excuse for letting this go so far if he does have proper documentation.

link
The certificate has all the elements the State Department requires for proving citizenship to obtain a U.S. passport: "your full name, the full name of your parent(s), date and place of birth, sex, date the birth record was filed, and the seal or other certification of the official custodian of such records." The names, date and place of birth, and filing date are all evident on the scanned version, and you can see the seal above.

Next time I apply for a passport then, I'll bring in my iPad to show copies of my documents

If you click on the link you will see that those coming to that conclusion actually visited the campaign headquarters of Obama'08 and touch and felt the birth certificate to come to that conclusion. But since when did the majority of the GOP ever bother to let silly things like facts get in the way anyway?

intersting

http://www.therightsideoflife.com/2009/11/24/eligibility-update-factcheck-org-doesnt-do-forensics-nh-sos-and-certificates-british-policeman-on-eligibility/

 

[matuski]

...There's no excuse for letting this go so far if he does have proper documentation.

link
The certificate has all the elements the State Department requires for proving citizenship to obtain a U.S. passport: "your full name, the full name of your parent(s), date and place of birth, sex, date the birth record was filed, and the seal or other certification of the official custodian of such records." The names, date and place of birth, and filing date are all evident on the scanned version, and you can see the seal above.

Next time I apply for a passport then, I'll bring in my iPad to show copies of my documents

If you click on the link you will see that those coming to that conclusion actually visited the campaign headquarters of Obama'08 and touch and felt the birth certificate to come to that conclusion. But since when did the majority of the GOP ever bother to let silly things like facts get in the way anyway?

intersting

http://www.therights...on-eligibility/

Now the birthers will question the "document forensics" of those who have seen it? This gets better everyday.

 

[Thunderlips]

There's no excuse for letting this go so far if he does have proper documentation.

Birthers have given him every incentive he could ever dream of to milk this for another 5 years.

Agreed. Obama would be crazy to release anything that ends this, if anything he should keep this going throughout the election cycle.

That right there is reason enough to keep it going.

 

[The Commish]

There's no excuse for letting this go so far if he does have proper documentation.

Birthers have given him every incentive he could ever dream of to milk this for another 5 years.

Agreed. Obama would be crazy to release anything that ends this, if anything he should keep this going throughout the election cycle.

While I generally try and hold the president to a higher standard than most, I don't have much of a problem with him screwing with the lunatics. These people have lost it

 

[Bronco Billy]

Next time I apply for a passport then, I'll bring in my iPad to show copies of my documents

If you click on the link you will see that those coming to that conclusion actually visited the campaign headquarters of Obama'08 and touch and felt the birth certificate to come to that conclusion. But since when did the majority of the GOP ever bother to let silly things like facts get in the way anyway?

Link

Hawaii governor claims record of Obama's birth 'exists in archives' but can't produce the vital document

By Daily Mail Reporter

Last updated at 3:32 PM on 20th January 2011

Governor Neil Abercrombie is facing renewed pressure over Obama's Hawaiin origins

Pressure was mounting on Hawaii Governor Neil Abercrombie today amid increasing confusion over whether President Obama was born there.

Abercrombie said on Tuesday that an investigation had unearthed papers proving Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961.

He told Honolulu's Star-Advertiser: 'It actually exists in the archives, written down,' he said.

But it became apparent that what had been discovered was an unspecified listing or notation of Obama's birth that someone had made in the state archives and not a birth certificate.

And in the same interview Abercrombie suggested that a long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate for Barack Obama may not exist within the vital records maintained by the Hawaii Department of Health.

He said efforts were still being made to track down definitive vital records that would prove Obama was born in Hawaii.

 

[Brock Middlebrook]

...There's no excuse for letting this go so far if he does have proper documentation.

link
The certificate has all the elements the State Department requires for proving citizenship to obtain a U.S. passport: "your full name, the full name of your parent(s), date and place of birth, sex, date the birth record was filed, and the seal or other certification of the official custodian of such records." The names, date and place of birth, and filing date are all evident on the scanned version, and you can see the seal above.

Next time I apply for a passport then, I'll bring in my iPad to show copies of my documents

If you click on the link you will see that those coming to that conclusion actually visited the campaign headquarters of Obama'08 and touch and felt the birth certificate to come to that conclusion. But since when did the majority of the GOP ever bother to let silly things like facts get in the way anyway?

intersting

http://www.therights...on-eligibility/

Now the birthers will question the "document forensics" of those who have seen it? This gets better everyday.

Bottomfeeder points to this blog's review of the docuument as some big test, but it really was only looked at by two political hacks with not even enough expertise to check ids at a college bar.

It's really not a convincing process

 

[Brock Middlebrook]

There's no excuse for letting this go so far if he does have proper documentation.

Birthers have given him every incentive he could ever dream of to milk this for another 5 years.

Agreed. Obama would be crazy to release anything that ends this, if anything he should keep this going throughout the election cycle.

This worked awesomely for Kerry and his service records

 

[Jewell]

...There's no excuse for letting this go so far if he does have proper documentation.

link
The certificate has all the elements the State Department requires for proving citizenship to obtain a U.S. passport: "your full name, the full name of your parent(s), date and place of birth, sex, date the birth record was filed, and the seal or other certification of the official custodian of such records." The names, date and place of birth, and filing date are all evident on the scanned version, and you can see the seal above.

Next time I apply for a passport then, I'll bring in my iPad to show copies of my documents

If you click on the link you will see that those coming to that conclusion actually visited the campaign headquarters of Obama'08 and touch and felt the birth certificate to come to that conclusion. But since when did the majority of the GOP ever bother to let silly things like facts get in the way anyway?

intersting

http://www.therights...on-eligibility/

Now the birthers will question the "document forensics" of those who have seen it? This gets better everyday.

It's standard legal procedure. It's called authenticating an expert. (See Fed. R. Evid. 702)

 

[mad sweeney]

...There's no excuse for letting this go so far if he does have proper documentation.

link
The certificate has all the elements the State Department requires for proving citizenship to obtain a U.S. passport: "your full name, the full name of your parent(s), date and place of birth, sex, date the birth record was filed, and the seal or other certification of the official custodian of such records." The names, date and place of birth, and filing date are all evident on the scanned version, and you can see the seal above.

Next time I apply for a passport then, I'll bring in my iPad to show copies of my documents

If you click on the link you will see that those coming to that conclusion actually visited the campaign headquarters of Obama'08 and touch and felt the birth certificate to come to that conclusion. But since when did the majority of the GOP ever bother to let silly things like facts get in the way anyway?

intersting

http://www.therights...on-eligibility/

Now the birthers will question the "document forensics" of those who have seen it? This gets better everyday.

Not only that, but he claims that the COLB is "bogus" anyways. This guy must have gone to the same school as mx when they taught vocabulary.

 

[Sam Quentin]

...There's no excuse for letting this go so far if he does have proper documentation.

link
The certificate has all the elements the State Department requires for proving citizenship to obtain a U.S. passport: "your full name, the full name of your parent(s), date and place of birth, sex, date the birth record was filed, and the seal or other certification of the official custodian of such records." The names, date and place of birth, and filing date are all evident on the scanned version, and you can see the seal above.

Next time I apply for a passport then, I'll bring in my iPad to show copies of my documents

If you click on the link you will see that those coming to that conclusion actually visited the campaign headquarters of Obama'08 and touch and felt the birth certificate to come to that conclusion. But since when did the majority of the GOP ever bother to let silly things like facts get in the way anyway?

intersting

http://www.therights...on-eligibility/

Now the birthers will question the "document forensics" of those who have seen it? This gets better everyday.

Not only that, but he claims that the COLB is "bogus" anyways. This guy must have gone to the same school as mx when they taught vocabulary.

That blog is biased(although I see a number of MSM articles with language equally as biased the other way), the bottom line is that there has been no critical review of the document.

 

[timschochet]

"There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawaii Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record.

“Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawaii, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.

“No state official, including Governor Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the State of Hawaii.”

- Hawaii State Director of Health Chiyome Fukino

According to Jewell, there's never been a "critical review" of this document. According to Bronco Billy and Brock Middleton, there may not even BE a document. Which means that either this state official is lying through her teeth, or somebody's got their facts wrong. Wonder who it could be?

 

[Parrothead]

"There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawaii Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record.

“Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawaii, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.

“No state official, including Governor Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the State of Hawaii.”

- Hawaii State Director of Health Chiyome Fukino

According to Jewell, there's never been a "critical review" of this document. According to Bronco Billy and Brock Middleton, there may not even BE a document. Which means that either this state official is lying through her teeth, or somebody's got their facts wrong. Wonder who it could be?

I am not one of these birthers, but my question is if the certificate does indeed exist, and has been examined by propert authorities, why is it still kept hidden? Why is it not a public document?

I really don't get the whole birther thing, and as bad as they make themselves look, the Obama defenders are just as funny..

 

[jon_mx]

The issue really isn't if the state of Hawaii legally recognizes Obama as being born in Hawaii, I think it is quite apparent they do. But does that mean he is a natural born citizen in accordance with the requirements to become President of the United States? They are two different things. Hawaiian rules are very lax and there are documents which can be filed such that the state does legally acknowledge someone being born in their state without it being so. I have never questioned the word of Hawaiian state officials or the authenticity of any of the documents. My only question has always been what document was filed to establish Obama was born there. Oddly, there seems to be no one alive who can recount the blessed date. No baby pictures. No friends who recall. No doctors or nurses who recall. Nothing, outside of this unseen document which establishes this fact. There is nothing whacky about insisting on seeing the actual proof. As citizens it is in fact our civic duty to verify it as it is the duty of Congress when they certify the election. All we have are second hand accounts by state officials who are legally obligated not to disclose specific facts. The COLB which the campaign produced is probably 100% accurate on what it portrays as the official Hawaiian position.