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The Birther Conspiracy Thread (2 Viewers)
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Why are liberals like Alan Keyes keeping this issue alive? Just to rub it in the faces of conservatives?
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Considering that he's been "involved" in this from day one, he probably needed and was expected to make a statement, lest he be criticized for not acknowledging it.
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Joe Summer
Footballguy
Ah yes, the famous Washington v. Wellington case.
Sam Quentin
Footballguy
IOW, your hunt for comments to re-post from the first 60ish pages of this thread was a huge bust...
timschochet
Footballguy
It was a bust because I got bored and grabbed stuff too quickly, Sam. If anyone wants to go back and look, there's some pretty embarrassing stuff there.
Sam Quentin
Footballguy
whatever
Toads
Footballguy
They'll "rub the face" when the Republican budget proposal, as drawn-up, is placed to vote in the House....that will be priceless.
Shtaym Syek
Footballguy
wat
Mr. Pickles
Footballguy
How.. convenient.
The Commish
Footballguy
His choices were brutal.....no one should question that. Even he acknowledges that
So, is this issue put to rest for you now?
Sam Quentin
Footballguy
Budget Barry Sorbet (Very Red)
Johnny Rock
Footballguy
What are my kids going to do when they run for President? The new birth certificates in MN are completely computer generated. Yes, they're on multi-colored, watermarked paper, but there are no "live" signatures or any other unique identifying marks. Just laser printed text. Steal a stack of that paper and Arnold could be President.
the moops
Footballguy
Are your kids white? Do you have an ethnic sounding last name?
flufhed
Footballguy
Are they white, with white American parents, and do they look American?If so, you should be ok.
Sam Quentin
Footballguy
define "ethnic-sounding last name"
urbanhack
Fight The Power!
the moops
Footballguy
Use your imagination
Sam Quentin
Footballguy
Do you think if Jesse Jackson or Condoleeezza Rice ran for president, we'd have seen a similar request for assurance that they are eligible?Are they white, with white American parentsIf so, you should be ok.
timschochet
Footballguy
Changed the title. I have a feeling this bird has flown. We'll see what the polling says, though.
Sam Quentin
Footballguy
nah, I'm not really sure what you mean here...
Phil Elliott
Footballguy
Svenson
urbanhack
Fight The Power!
I know lot's of the whites with the names Rice and Jackson.Do you think if Jesse Jackson or Condoleeezza Rice ran for president, we'd have seen a similar request for assurance that they are eligible?Are they white, with white American parentsIf so, you should be ok.
timschochet
Footballguy
No, and I made this point earlier. Obama's skin color is only part of it- the main part behind THIS conspiracy is Obama's last name and his father's nationality. However, if Jesse Jackson had been elected president there would have developed some kind of conspiracy designed to delegitimize him, but it wouldn't have involved his place of birth.Do you think if Jesse Jackson or Condoleeezza Rice ran for president, we'd have seen a similar request for assurance that they are eligible?Are they white, with white American parentsIf so, you should be ok.
Sam Quentin
Footballguy
so?I know lot's of the whites with the names Rice and Jackson.Do you think if Jesse Jackson or Condoleeezza Rice ran for president, we'd have seen a similar request for assurance that they are eligible?Are they white, with white American parentsIf so, you should be ok.
Phil Elliott
Footballguy
One of my best friends has a last name of Rice.I know lot's of the whites with the names Rice and Jackson.Do you think if Jesse Jackson or Condoleeezza Rice ran for president, we'd have seen a similar request for assurance that they are eligible?Are they white, with white American parentsIf so, you should be ok.
timschochet
Footballguy
In truth, there are a lot of factors that have led to the popularity of THIS conspiracy. Obama's name, his father's nationality, the fact that Obama as a child lived in Indonesia, the fact that he was born in Hawaii (outside of the mainland U.S.A.) all helps people who are already inclined to dislike Obama to believe that he is an outsider, a foreigner.
However, to answer Sam Quentin's point, if Obama had the last name of Jackson and was born in Alabama, there would still be a conspiracy theory that would be quite popular, it would just be very different. The root of the birther conspiracy is that the people who bought into it really don't want Obama to be POTUS.
However, to answer Sam Quentin's point, if Obama had the last name of Jackson and was born in Alabama, there would still be a conspiracy theory that would be quite popular, it would just be very different. The root of the birther conspiracy is that the people who bought into it really don't want Obama to be POTUS.
urbanhack
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If Obama had the last name of Jackson and was born in Alabama, he would not have been elected POTUS. :fact:
Sam Quentin
Footballguy
No matter who is elected President, people will develop conspiracies to delegitimize themAs far as "natural born citizenship," his father's nationality is actually material information in that determination. Is the requirement outdated? I say yes, but it is there.No, and I made this point earlier. Obama's skin color is only part of it- the main part behind THIS conspiracy is Obama's last name and his father's nationality. However, if Jesse Jackson had been elected president there would have developed some kind of conspiracy designed to delegitimize him, but it wouldn't have involved his place of birth.Do you think if Jesse Jackson or Condoleeezza Rice ran for president, we'd have seen a similar request for assurance that they are eligible?Are they white, with white American parentsIf so, you should be ok.
timschochet
Footballguy
Based on what?
Sam Quentin
Footballguy
If he ran as a Democrat, he'd have no shot at being nominated
Phil Elliott
Footballguy
Wasn't Hillary the root of this back in the primary? True, she did not want Obama to be POTUS.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
So the GOP birthers had to steal the idea from someone else. Stupid + unoriginal.
timschochet
Footballguy
Hillary had nothing to do with this. The conspiracy was started by pissed off Hillary supporters after she conceded- she never played a part. It never gained any popularity among liberals. It''s popularity has been limited strictly to conservatives who were seeking for a way to get rid of Obama.
Jackstraw
Footballguy
He was black and from Alabama?
Sam Quentin
Footballguy
waiting for Moops to respond hereHere's some random last names...which ones "sound ethnic?"Limbaugh, O'Reilly, Bueno, Jindal, Washington, Obama, Stein, Cuomo, Giuliani, Shochet, Quentin, Jackson, Utley, Zobrist, Jeter, Sanchez, Braun, Pujols, Svenson, Hoek, Travers, Scott, Schrute, Halpert, Beasley, Jefferson, McDonald
Statorama
Footballguy
Part of Obama's allure was that he was an outsider, that he was different. I bought into it, so did a lot of other people. I was looking forward to Obama ushering in a new era of transparency. If he would have initiated putting bills online for three days before signing them into law, future presidents would have felt pressure to do the same.Turns out he was just the emptiest suit ever, and more like Bush than any of us wanted to believe.
Statorama
Footballguy
Only one main factor though. Obama's refusal to release the long form until now.
glumpy
breeze
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
If someone started a rumor in your community that you were giving everyone herpes, would you say that the main reason the rumor persisted was because you refused to submit to an STD test? Or would you maybe think that the person who started the rumor was a gigantic doosh who shouldn't go around spreading nonsense and then demanding that you take action to address it?
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Good comment below:"Gawd, there's a lot of psychos who fight reality at every corner."
Mr. Pickles
Footballguy
Hmm... terrorist?
JZilla
Footballguy
Seems like a pretty viable GOP candidate to me
Statorama
Footballguy
If I were President of the United States and there was a constitutional mandate that the President of the United States NOT have herpes, I would have no problem releasing a clean STD medical test.Apples and Apples.
matuski
Footballguy
What? I can't find it. You took a month to work on it so I was expecting a long and well researched post.Your whole premise was that Hawaii would give a BC to anyone, so why is it pointless now? The BC proves nothing, anyone can get one! You need to get back on this horse and ride as far as you can.
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Mr. Pickles
Footballguy
While I admire his verve, O'Donnell just isn't very good at this.
Jewell
Footballguy
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Mr. Pickles
Footballguy
O'Donnell was right: the swift boat book was a steaming pile of crap.
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