The Birther Conspiracy Thread (3 Viewers)

[Thorn]

So why now. This could have been put to bed a long time ago?

Again....free comedy. That and we are actually at war as a country, job situation is bleak and so is the economy. Yes, the President releasing proof of his birth again should be above all that.

I agree. I have not commented much on this issue until now. There are much more important issues on the table. But Obama could have played one less golf game or one less game of basketball and put this issue to rest. This should not take much time at all. So why did he let it drag out. Was it political calculation?Was it that he wanted to fry his enemy on a non-issue?If you think about it the reason the issue is consuming the press is that it hasn't been put to bed until now. IMO this should have been put to bed a long time ago rather than wasting energy and time on such a trivial issue. The President and left wing have only themselves to blame on how much wasted time and energy have been wasted on this non-issue.

What "issue"? That's the point...it's a non-issue. There is nothing to put to bed. Because I believe Obama is a robot, doesn't mean it's an issue. It means I'm a lunatic.

But it would be so easy for them to prove he's not a robot. Their inaction on the issue is telling.

 

[The Commish]

Chris Mathews more than anyone is the one obsessed with this issue.

Disagree with "more than anyone". Besides, we all love a good trainwreck right? I don't think you understand how crazy this whole birther thing is. I applaud the Left for getting a good laugh at it and exposing the birthers for what they are.

This story line of birther's and right wing extremist benefits the left not the right. Most people on the right wish this issue would just go away. The left is using this issue to bang the right, that is is why is dominates the news - because it benefits the left.

You don't think FoxNews isn't benefiting from this "theory"? Really?

Fox news spends a lot time trying to put this story to bed - They believe Obama is a U.S. citizen and that the issue is a non-issue. MSNBC is the one benefiting from the issue - not Fox. They can't talk about the bang up job Obama has done on anything.

Ok....keep fighting the good fight

 

[Thorn]

Now that this is behind us

I've spotted some oddities in the document. The typewritten lines aren't parallel; they're jumping all over the place. The department of health numbers all curved in an arch, The “II” in his name is low, the year in his birth date is low, the 'm' in P.M. is off for whatever reason, the date in box 22 (AUG) slants at a diagonal. We either have the world’s worst typist in ’61, or something else. Even with old typewriters, having text appear evenly on the same horizontal line was easy enough.

Dear God

I think this was an attempt at parody that failed because the author doesn't realize that most of his posts come across this way. It's like if Charlie Sheen tried to make fun of egotistical cocaine-fueled rants.

have you read his sig, posty?

 

[MasterofOrion]

Fox news spends a lot time trying to put this story to bed

At this point though, they should put this story to bed. It's been making the Right look a bit crazy.

Wrong again.The right wing does not think this is a big issue. You can tell in pains the Fox news anchors to go over this issue again and again and again.....It is the left wanting to paint the right wing as extremist that fuels the issue.

 

[Jewell]

Now that this is behind us

I've spotted some oddities in the document. The typewritten lines aren't parallel; they're jumping all over the place. The department of health numbers all curved in an arch, The “II” in his name is low, the year in his birth date is low, the 'm' in P.M. is off for whatever reason, the date in box 22 (AUG) slants at a diagonal. We either have the world’s worst typist in ’61, or something else. Even with old typewriters, having text appear evenly on the same horizontal line was easy enough.

Dear God

I think this was an attempt at parody that failed because the author doesn't realize that most of his posts come across this way. It's like if Charlie Sheen tried to make fun of egotistical cocaine-fueled rants.

It's hard to tell whether it's real or schtick. Stat?

 

[Homer J Simpson]

You know, just the other day I was wondering why MoO wasn't gracing this thread with his levelheaded, rational presence. All I can say now is, better late than never.

 

[Chunky Soup]

Hillary raised this issue over 2 1/2 years ago and he releases the long form now. This should have taken less than one basketball game to do. Why put off disclosing document until now? Obama has only himself to blame for this lasting this long.OTOH- he may have wanted the issue to linger because it benefits him.

Has any other president/presidential candidate had to do this? Why should President Obama listen to ridiculous accusations and give into them, especially when there is absolutely no precedent to do so?

No.Why- because supplying a long form birth certificate is no big deal. It takes less than one golf game to produce this document. Pick up the phone, tell them to release the document. That should take 15 seconds. Look how much time he spends saying that the document isn't necessary - Hours- days- months.... Which is more efficacious - 15 seconds putting the issue the rest or years stating it is non-issue?

You're missing the point here. It's a stupid allegation. How about we prove he's old enough to be President. I want blood samples, x-rays and timestamped pictures of when he came out of the womb, etc. Starting to get the point?

 

[apalmer]

Now that this is behind us

I've spotted some oddities in the document. The typewritten lines aren't parallel; they're jumping all over the place. Obviously, you never tried to line up a preprinted form in a typewriter. When the preprinted lines don't match up with where the keys will strike, you had to release the paper bail and adjust the paper. Sometimes you got it perfectly straight, sometimes you didn't.

The department of health numbers all curved in an arch,Ever see the typical government file-stamp device where you have to "roll" the next mumber into place?

The "II" in his name is low, So they typed in his info, pulled the form from the typewriter, proofread it and discovered the forgot the "II" and had to re-insert it?

the year in his birth date is low, the 'm' in P.M. is off for whatever reason, the "M" is pre-printed on the form (the font matches the rest of the pre-printed words). You type in either an "A" or a "P"

the date in box 22 (AUG) slants at a diagonal. Again, ever see anyone use a date-stamp device? Hitting the box at all is a miracle, let alone expecting it to be straight.

We either have the world's worst typist in '61, or something else. Even with old typewriters, having text appear evenly on the same horizontal line was easy enough.

On the off chance that you're not fishing.

 

[The Commish]

But it would be so easy for them to prove he's not a robot. Their inaction on the issue is telling.

Of course it's telling. It's telling that he didn't have to put forth any sort of effort AT ALL to keep a large part of the "conservative base" focused on a non-issue while the important stuff passed them by. It's a situation all politicians long for And yes, VERY easy to put it to bed, but what is the benefit to him to do so?

 

[urbanhack]

Chris Mathews more than anyone is the one obsessed with this issue.

Disagree with "more than anyone". Besides, we all love a good trainwreck right? I don't think you understand how crazy this whole birther thing is. I applaud the Left for getting a good laugh at it and exposing the birthers for what they are.

This story line of birther's and right wing extremist benefits the left not the right. Most people on the right wish this issue would just go away. The left is using this issue to bang the right, that is is why is dominates the news - because it benefits the left.

You don't think FoxNews isn't benefiting from this "theory"? Really?

Fox news spends a lot time trying to put this story to bed

 

[Homer J Simpson]

Fox news spends a lot time trying to put this story to bed

At this point though, they should put this story to bed. It's been making the Right look a bit crazy.

Wrong again.The right wing does not think this is a big issue. You can tell in pains the Fox news anchors to go over this issue again and again and again.....It is the left wanting to paint the right wing as extremist that fuels the issue.

 

[ceo3west]

So all of a sudden this issue was never really an issue to FOX News, but it was to MSNBC?

This place really is comedy gold sometimes.

 

[JZilla]

Hillary raised this issue over 2 1/2 years ago and he releases the long form now. This should have taken less than one basketball game to do. Why put off disclosing document until now? Obama has only himself to blame for this lasting this long.OTOH- he may have wanted the issue to linger because it benefits him.

Has any other president/presidential candidate had to do this? Why should President Obama listen to ridiculous accusations and give into them, especially when there is absolutely no precedent to do so?

No.Why- because supplying a long form birth certificate is no big deal. It takes less than one golf game to produce this document. Pick up the phone, tell them to release the document. That should take 15 seconds. Look how much time he spends saying that the document isn't necessary - Hours- days- months.... Which is more efficacious - 15 seconds putting the issue the rest or years stating it is non-issue?

You're missing the point here. It's a stupid allegation. How about we prove he's old enough to be President. I want blood samples, x-rays and timestamped pictures of when he came out of the womb, etc. Starting to get the point?

Too bad we can't count on science to reliably tell us how old things are.

 

[Chunky Soup]

Wrong again.The right wing does not think this is a big issue. You can tell in pains the Fox news anchors to go over this issue again and again and again.....It is the left wanting to paint the right wing as extremist that fuels the issue.

The right wing is now saying this. It'd be painful for me to keep reporting this too if I was just slapped with truth from Obama's long-form birth certificate.

 

[CBusAlex]

The issue has not been a big issue for me. Like everyone else is stating there are more important issues on the table. That being stated, by and large the left wing media is the one fueling issue.

Where Obama was born isn't that big a deal to me. But the amount of effort and money to suppress looking at the document raises red flags. Sorry, but a birth certificate is about as benign a documented as you can get. I know I wouldn't care if you saw my birth certificate.

Wrong question. Why would a Governor and state officials even care about a birth certificate? Seriously it is just a birth certificate.

Being a citizen in a requirement of being POUSA.

Hell the government is taking my medical records and putting them in a national data base. That is a lot more invasive and has more personal information than a birth certificate.

The argument is, it isn't worth the Presidents time? Being a citizen is a requirement of the POTUS. Opening up your birth certificate should stop the "crazies" (your term not mine) in their tracks and even give you a campaign issue.

How much effort is it really to open up you birth certificate compared to the effort they are going in suppressing it? To me, from a time stand point, it would be far more efficacious to open up the birth certificate.

Great quotes.

" Limbaugh said. "How many of us could get away with saying, 'Yeah there's a little notation somewhere there in the archives, but we can't find the birth certificate.

"In fact, most government officials have apparently done their best to seal it all off," he said. "Whatever there is, they've sealed it all off, and they've tried to pooh-pooh any interest in it. And they have attempted to impugn those who have interest in it."

But now, in the wake of Abercrombie's apparent admissions, Obama supporters, he said, still cannot produce the proof.

"This is stunning to me," Limbaugh said. "(They) still can't prove it."

How to win and argument: Deflect and go on the offensive. That is the birther strategy. Rather than address the issue you deflect and then call the other side names for asking a legitimate question. Somehow birther has negative connotations like being a racist. Why? The deflect and go on the offensive is a tactic that the guilty use. If they had a legitimate birth certificate they would have produced it. The tactic smells like he has something to hide.

My daughter is living in Argentina. She needs to be Authenticated by our State Department to open bank accounts ect...

Part of the process is to send a valid birth certificate to the State Department to be authenticated. Suppling a valid birth certificate is no big deal for most people. If it is a big deal then that raises red flags.

 

[Sam Quentin]

but bit but CNN told me that he couldn't release the long form eben if he wanted to

 

[urbanhack]

but bit but CNN told me that he couldn't release the long form eben if he wanted to

drinking already?

 

[MasterofOrion]

Hillary raised this issue over 2 1/2 years ago and he releases the long form now. This should have taken less than one basketball game to do. Why put off disclosing document until now? Obama has only himself to blame for this lasting this long.OTOH- he may have wanted the issue to linger because it benefits him.

Has any other president/presidential candidate had to do this? Why should President Obama listen to ridiculous accusations and give into them, especially when there is absolutely no precedent to do so?

No.Why- because supplying a long form birth certificate is no big deal. It takes less than one golf game to produce this document. Pick up the phone, tell them to release the document. That should take 15 seconds. Look how much time he spends saying that the document isn't necessary - Hours- days- months.... Which is more efficacious - 15 seconds putting the issue the rest or years stating it is non-issue?

You're missing the point here. It's a stupid allegation. How about we prove he's old enough to be President. I want blood samples, x-rays and timestamped pictures of when he came out of the womb, etc. Starting to get the point?

It wasn't stupid when they asked John McCain the same question.What is stupid is that it would take only 15 seconds to give permission to release the document. Now we are talking about in almost 3 years later. Seriously. Obama, and his cronies in the left wing media, are playing a political game with this and you blame the right wing? Look in the mirror. This should have been a non issue from the start.

 

[Road Dogg]

But...

jon MX was SURE

SURE

 

[Jayrod]

Is it too early to nominate for thread of the year?

 

[JZilla]

Man, golddigger, you sure are a glutton for punishment

 

[ceo3west]

The issue has not been a big issue for me. Like everyone else is stating there are more important issues on the table. That being stated, by and large the left wing media is the one fueling issue.

Where Obama was born isn't that big a deal to me. But the amount of effort and money to suppress looking at the document raises red flags. Sorry, but a birth certificate is about as benign a documented as you can get. I know I wouldn't care if you saw my birth certificate.

Wrong question. Why would a Governor and state officials even care about a birth certificate? Seriously it is just a birth certificate.

Being a citizen in a requirement of being POUSA.

Hell the government is taking my medical records and putting them in a national data base. That is a lot more invasive and has more personal information than a birth certificate.

The argument is, it isn't worth the Presidents time? Being a citizen is a requirement of the POTUS. Opening up your birth certificate should stop the "crazies" (your term not mine) in their tracks and even give you a campaign issue.

How much effort is it really to open up you birth certificate compared to the effort they are going in suppressing it? To me, from a time stand point, it would be far more efficacious to open up the birth certificate.

Great quotes.

" Limbaugh said. "How many of us could get away with saying, 'Yeah there's a little notation somewhere there in the archives, but we can't find the birth certificate.

"In fact, most government officials have apparently done their best to seal it all off," he said. "Whatever there is, they've sealed it all off, and they've tried to pooh-pooh any interest in it. And they have attempted to impugn those who have interest in it."

But now, in the wake of Abercrombie's apparent admissions, Obama supporters, he said, still cannot produce the proof.

"This is stunning to me," Limbaugh said. "(They) still can't prove it."

How to win and argument: Deflect and go on the offensive. That is the birther strategy. Rather than address the issue you deflect and then call the other side names for asking a legitimate question. Somehow birther has negative connotations like being a racist. Why? The deflect and go on the offensive is a tactic that the guilty use. If they had a legitimate birth certificate they would have produced it. The tactic smells like he has something to hide.

My daughter is living in Argentina. She needs to be Authenticated by our State Department to open bank accounts ect...

Part of the process is to send a valid birth certificate to the State Department to be authenticated. Suppling a valid birth certificate is no big deal for most people. If it is a big deal then that raises red flags.

MoO seriously pwned. Shocking.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

Thanks to Trump for taking this issue off of the table well ahead of November 2012

 

[LHUCKS]

worst thread title in the history of the FFA?

are there really 20 people in this thread right now...

 

[Joe Summer]

Now that this is behind us

I've spotted some oddities in the document. The typewritten lines aren't parallel; they're jumping all over the place. The department of health numbers all curved in an arch, The “II” in his name is low, the year in his birth date is low, the 'm' in P.M. is off for whatever reason, the date in box 22 (AUG) slants at a diagonal. We either have the world’s worst typist in ’61, or something else. Even with old typewriters, having text appear evenly on the same horizontal line was easy enough.

- long form still says "Certificate Of Live Birth" (COLB is not the same as a birth certificate)- father's race listed as "African" (African is not a race)

- birth certificate not signed until 4 days later (plenty of time for mother to fly from Kenya to Hawaii)

- father's birth place listed as "Kenya, East Africa" ("East Africa" is not a place name. Also, Kenya is technically in the southeast quadrant of the continent)

- discrepancy between mother's name on long form (printed as "STANLEY ANN DUNHAM" but signed as "Ann Dunham Obama" (possible forgery issues)

- hospital listed as "Kapiolani" instead of "Kapi'olani"

- questions about whether the name "Kapiolani Hospital" was even used prior to 1978

- long form claims that mother's address is inside Honolulu city limits (it is not)

- discrepancy in spelling of Obama's name on short form vs. long form (short form says "BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA II", "BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA, II"

- long form is dated April 25, 2011 (who knows if the original 1961 LFBC contained the same data as the 2011 version)

This isn't over, folks. Not by a long shot.

/statorama

 

[MasterofOrion]

54% of Trump's money goes to Democrats

 

[ceo3west]

worst thread title in the history of the FFA?

What are Jim11's thoughts on this?

 

[Statorama]

but bit but CNN told me that he couldn't release the long form eben if he wanted to

drinking already?

I was reading it thinking of mush mouth from Fat Albert

 

[MasterofOrion]

Now that this is behind us

I've spotted some oddities in the document. The typewritten lines aren't parallel; they're jumping all over the place. The department of health numbers all curved in an arch, The "II" in his name is low, the year in his birth date is low, the 'm' in P.M. is off for whatever reason, the date in box 22 (AUG) slants at a diagonal. We either have the world's worst typist in '61, or something else. Even with old typewriters, having text appear evenly on the same horizontal line was easy enough.

- long form still says "Certificate Of Live Birth" (COLB is not the same as a birth certificate)- father's race listed as "African" (African is not a race)

- birth certificate not signed until 4 days later (plenty of time for mother to fly from Kenya to Hawaii)

- father's birth place listed as "Kenya, East Africa" ("East Africa" is not a place name. Also, Kenya is technically in the southeast quadrant of the continent)

- discrepancy between mother's name on long form (printed as "STANLEY ANN DUNHAM" but signed as "Ann Dunham Obama" (possible forgery issues)

- hospital listed as "Kapiolani" instead of "Kapi'olani"

- questions about whether the name "Kapiolani Hospital" was even used prior to 1978

- long form claims that mother's address is inside Honolulu city limits (it is not)

- discrepancy in spelling of Obama's name on short form vs. long form (short form says "BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA II", "BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA, II"

- long form is dated April 25, 2011 (who knows if the original 1961 LFBC contained the same data as the 2011 version)

This isn't over, folks. Not by a long shot.

/statorama

Did they do this on purpose to fuel the controversy?

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

but bit but CNN told me that he couldn't release the long form eben if he wanted to

CNN got that wrong, or Obama pulled some strings not available to everybody else.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

I love that this guy can't get enough of being on television.I mean really, all he had to do was send out one of his minions with the long form and a url where it can be viewed. No one in the universe is tougher on Obama than I am, and even I feel this presser was beneath him. But he lovvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvves hims some microphones and cameras. My favorite part is at the beginning, when he says that the networks wouldn't have covered his presser if he talked about the serious issues. So given the choice, Obama selects the subject that will get him press coverage even if it's nonsense.Dance clown, Dance!

You're not cracking the Power Rankings. Sorry.

 

[Statorama]

Now that this is behind us

I've spotted some oddities in the document. The typewritten lines aren't parallel; they're jumping all over the place. Obviously, you never tried to line up a preprinted form in a typewriter. When the preprinted lines don't match up with where the keys will strike, you had to release the paper bail and adjust the paper. Sometimes you got it perfectly straight, sometimes you didn't.

The department of health numbers all curved in an arch,Ever see the typical government file-stamp device where you have to "roll" the next mumber into place?

The "II" in his name is low, So they typed in his info, pulled the form from the typewriter, proofread it and discovered the forgot the "II" and had to re-insert it?

the year in his birth date is low, the 'm' in P.M. is off for whatever reason, the "M" is pre-printed on the form (the font matches the rest of the pre-printed words). You type in either an "A" or a "P"

the date in box 22 (AUG) slants at a diagonal. Again, ever see anyone use a date-stamp device? Hitting the box at all is a miracle, let alone expecting it to be straight.

We either have the world's worst typist in '61, or something else. Even with old typewriters, having text appear evenly on the same horizontal line was easy enough.

I don't know man, I typed out a lot of term papers in college and somehow managed to keep things even.

 

[Sammy3469]

Thanks to Trump for taking this issue off of the table well ahead of November 2012

It wouldn't shock me if Trump and Obama were in cohoots to trump up interest in this story by the liberal media to make conservatives look bad.

 

[Statorama]

I love that this guy can't get enough of being on television.I mean really, all he had to do was send out one of his minions with the long form and a url where it can be viewed. No one in the universe is tougher on Obama than I am, and even I feel this presser was beneath him. But he lovvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvves hims some microphones and cameras. My favorite part is at the beginning, when he says that the networks wouldn't have covered his presser if he talked about the serious issues. So given the choice, Obama selects the subject that will get him press coverage even if it's nonsense.Dance clown, Dance!

You're not cracking the Power Rankings. Sorry.

Dang, thought I could sneak out a wild card spot.

 

[MasterofOrion]

Now that this is behind us

I've spotted some oddities in the document. The typewritten lines aren't parallel; they're jumping all over the place. The department of health numbers all curved in an arch, The "II" in his name is low, the year in his birth date is low, the 'm' in P.M. is off for whatever reason, the date in box 22 (AUG) slants at a diagonal. We either have the world's worst typist in '61, or something else. Even with old typewriters, having text appear evenly on the same horizontal line was easy enough.

- long form still says "Certificate Of Live Birth" (COLB is not the same as a birth certificate)- father's race listed as "African" (African is not a race)

- birth certificate not signed until 4 days later (plenty of time for mother to fly from Kenya to Hawaii)

- father's birth place listed as "Kenya, East Africa" ("East Africa" is not a place name. Also, Kenya is technically in the southeast quadrant of the continent)

- discrepancy between mother's name on long form (printed as "STANLEY ANN DUNHAM" but signed as "Ann Dunham Obama" (possible forgery issues)

- hospital listed as "Kapiolani" instead of "Kapi'olani"

- questions about whether the name "Kapiolani Hospital" was even used prior to 1978

- long form claims that mother's address is inside Honolulu city limits (it is not)

- discrepancy in spelling of Obama's name on short form vs. long form (short form says "BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA II", "BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA, II"

- long form is dated April 25, 2011 (who knows if the original 1961 LFBC contained the same data as the 2011 version)

This isn't over, folks. Not by a long shot.

/statorama

Did they do this on purpose to fuel the controversy?

I hate this issue. There are more important things to talk about. But this has become a hammer by the left to label the right wing as lunatics. We are dragged into threads like this kicking and screaming. I wish it would go away.

 

[ericttspikes]

Trump/Sheen 2012#winning

I'd vote for that ticket

 

[urbanhack]

Now that this is behind us

I've spotted some oddities in the document. The typewritten lines aren't parallel; they're jumping all over the place. The department of health numbers all curved in an arch, The "II" in his name is low, the year in his birth date is low, the 'm' in P.M. is off for whatever reason, the date in box 22 (AUG) slants at a diagonal. We either have the world's worst typist in '61, or something else. Even with old typewriters, having text appear evenly on the same horizontal line was easy enough.

- long form still says "Certificate Of Live Birth" (COLB is not the same as a birth certificate)- father's race listed as "African" (African is not a race)

- birth certificate not signed until 4 days later (plenty of time for mother to fly from Kenya to Hawaii)

- father's birth place listed as "Kenya, East Africa" ("East Africa" is not a place name. Also, Kenya is technically in the southeast quadrant of the continent)

- discrepancy between mother's name on long form (printed as "STANLEY ANN DUNHAM" but signed as "Ann Dunham Obama" (possible forgery issues)

- hospital listed as "Kapiolani" instead of "Kapi'olani"

- questions about whether the name "Kapiolani Hospital" was even used prior to 1978

- long form claims that mother's address is inside Honolulu city limits (it is not)

- discrepancy in spelling of Obama's name on short form vs. long form (short form says "BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA II", "BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA, II"

- long form is dated April 25, 2011 (who knows if the original 1961 LFBC contained the same data as the 2011 version)

This isn't over, folks. Not by a long shot.

/statorama

Did they do this on purpose to fuel the controversy?

I hate this issue. There are more important things to talk about. But this has become a hammer by the left to label the right wing as lunatics. We are dragged into threads like this kicking and screaming. I wish it would go away.

ARE YOU FOR REAL????

 

[Mr. Pickles]

Now that this is behind us

I've spotted some oddities in the document. The typewritten lines aren't parallel; they're jumping all over the place. The department of health numbers all curved in an arch, The "II" in his name is low, the year in his birth date is low, the 'm' in P.M. is off for whatever reason, the date in box 22 (AUG) slants at a diagonal. We either have the world's worst typist in '61, or something else. Even with old typewriters, having text appear evenly on the same horizontal line was easy enough.

- long form still says "Certificate Of Live Birth" (COLB is not the same as a birth certificate)- father's race listed as "African" (African is not a race)

- birth certificate not signed until 4 days later (plenty of time for mother to fly from Kenya to Hawaii)

- father's birth place listed as "Kenya, East Africa" ("East Africa" is not a place name. Also, Kenya is technically in the southeast quadrant of the continent)

- discrepancy between mother's name on long form (printed as "STANLEY ANN DUNHAM" but signed as "Ann Dunham Obama" (possible forgery issues)

- hospital listed as "Kapiolani" instead of "Kapi'olani"

- questions about whether the name "Kapiolani Hospital" was even used prior to 1978

- long form claims that mother's address is inside Honolulu city limits (it is not)

- discrepancy in spelling of Obama's name on short form vs. long form (short form says "BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA II", "BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA, II"

- long form is dated April 25, 2011 (who knows if the original 1961 LFBC contained the same data as the 2011 version)

This isn't over, folks. Not by a long shot.

/statorama

Did they do this on purpose to fuel the controversy?

Oh.. What have we here? golddigger wants in? Seems like the party is pretty much over, but we do have some cake and punch in the back if you're interested.

 

[badmojo1006]

Now that this is behind us

I've spotted some oddities in the document. The typewritten lines aren't parallel; they're jumping all over the place. The department of health numbers all curved in an arch, The "II" in his name is low, the year in his birth date is low, the 'm' in P.M. is off for whatever reason, the date in box 22 (AUG) slants at a diagonal. We either have the world's worst typist in '61, or something else. Even with old typewriters, having text appear evenly on the same horizontal line was easy enough.

- long form still says "Certificate Of Live Birth" (COLB is not the same as a birth certificate)- father's race listed as "African" (African is not a race)

- birth certificate not signed until 4 days later (plenty of time for mother to fly from Kenya to Hawaii)

- father's birth place listed as "Kenya, East Africa" ("East Africa" is not a place name. Also, Kenya is technically in the southeast quadrant of the continent)

- discrepancy between mother's name on long form (printed as "STANLEY ANN DUNHAM" but signed as "Ann Dunham Obama" (possible forgery issues)

- hospital listed as "Kapiolani" instead of "Kapi'olani"

- questions about whether the name "Kapiolani Hospital" was even used prior to 1978

- long form claims that mother's address is inside Honolulu city limits (it is not)

- discrepancy in spelling of Obama's name on short form vs. long form (short form says "BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA II", "BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA, II"

- long form is dated April 25, 2011 (who knows if the original 1961 LFBC contained the same data as the 2011 version)

This isn't over, folks. Not by a long shot.

/statorama

Did they do this on purpose to fuel the controversy?

I hate this issue. There are more important things to talk about. But this has become a hammer by the left to label the right wing as lunatics. We are dragged into threads like this kicking and screaming. I wish it would go away.

You could always just Let it go

 

[MasterofOrion]

Thanks to Trump for taking this issue off of the table well ahead of November 2012

It wouldn't shock me if Trump and Obama were in cohoots to trump up interest in this story by the liberal media to make conservatives look bad.

Trump could be Obama's Ross Perot. Used to split the Republican vote.

 

[JZilla]

I hate this issue. There are more important things to talk about. But this has become a hammer by the left to label the right wing as lunatics. We are dragged into threads like this kicking and screaming. I wish it would go away.

How to win and argument: Deflect and go on the offensive.

 

[D_House]

but bit but CNN told me that he couldn't release the long form eben if he wanted to

CNN got that wrong, or Obama pulled some strings not available to everybody else.

Hawaii authorities apparently made an exception for Obama:

...the White House decided to release copies of President Barack Obama’s “long form birth certificate,” in an attempt to quiet conspiracy theorists who believe the president was born elsewhere. The president had already released a version certified by the state of Hawaii, but because of the “volume of requests” for the birth certificate, the president asked the state to make an exception and release the original document.

more stuff here about communication between the White House and the Hawaii Dept. of Health

 

[Statorama]

I hate this issue. There are more important things to talk about. But this is become a hammer by the left to label the right wing as lunatics. We are dragged into threads like this kicking and screaming. I wish it would go away.

It will. I'm actually kind of surprised Obama did this now. It seems like it would have been more politically beneficial if he had released it closer to the primaries.On to the real issues (Pigford, Gunwalker, etc)

 

[Sammy3469]

Thanks to Trump for taking this issue off of the table well ahead of November 2012

It wouldn't shock me if Trump and Obama were in cohoots to trump up interest in this story by the liberal media to make conservatives look bad.

Trump could be Obama's Ross Perot. Used to split the Republican vote.

Agreed

 

[MasterofOrion]

Now that this is behind us

I've spotted some oddities in the document. The typewritten lines aren't parallel; they're jumping all over the place. The department of health numbers all curved in an arch, The "II" in his name is low, the year in his birth date is low, the 'm' in P.M. is off for whatever reason, the date in box 22 (AUG) slants at a diagonal. We either have the world's worst typist in '61, or something else. Even with old typewriters, having text appear evenly on the same horizontal line was easy enough.

- long form still says "Certificate Of Live Birth" (COLB is not the same as a birth certificate)- father's race listed as "African" (African is not a race)

- birth certificate not signed until 4 days later (plenty of time for mother to fly from Kenya to Hawaii)

- father's birth place listed as "Kenya, East Africa" ("East Africa" is not a place name. Also, Kenya is technically in the southeast quadrant of the continent)

- discrepancy between mother's name on long form (printed as "STANLEY ANN DUNHAM" but signed as "Ann Dunham Obama" (possible forgery issues)

- hospital listed as "Kapiolani" instead of "Kapi'olani"

- questions about whether the name "Kapiolani Hospital" was even used prior to 1978

- long form claims that mother's address is inside Honolulu city limits (it is not)

- discrepancy in spelling of Obama's name on short form vs. long form (short form says "BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA II", "BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA, II"

- long form is dated April 25, 2011 (who knows if the original 1961 LFBC contained the same data as the 2011 version)

This isn't over, folks. Not by a long shot.

/statorama

Did they do this on purpose to fuel the controversy?

I hate this issue. There are more important things to talk about. But this has become a hammer by the left to label the right wing as lunatics. We are dragged into threads like this kicking and screaming. I wish it would go away.

You could always just Let it go

I will and I have spent very little time on this issue. It is in the news today. MSNBC will be covering it for months as front line news. This is news story fueled by the left not the right.

 

[apalmer]

I hate this issue. There are more important things to talk about. But this is become a hammer by the left to label the right wing as lunatics. We are dragged into threads like this kicking and screaming. I wish it would go away.

It will. I'm actually kind of surprised Obama did this now. It seems like it would have been more politically beneficial if he had released it closer to the primaries.On to the real issues the right wing wackos weren't as confident of as they were of where Obama wasn't born (Pigford, Gunwalker, etc)

Fixed

 

[Jewell]

Trump/Sheen 2012

#winning

I'd vote for that ticket

Sure, why not? Afterall, Charlie's dad was the best U.S. President in over a decade now.

 

[Apes with Guns]

Now that this is behind us

I've spotted some oddities in the document. The typewritten lines aren't parallel; they're jumping all over the place. The department of health numbers all curved in an arch, The "II" in his name is low, the year in his birth date is low, the 'm' in P.M. is off for whatever reason, the date in box 22 (AUG) slants at a diagonal. We either have the world's worst typist in '61, or something else. Even with old typewriters, having text appear evenly on the same horizontal line was easy enough.

- long form still says "Certificate Of Live Birth" (COLB is not the same as a birth certificate)- father's race listed as "African" (African is not a race)

- birth certificate not signed until 4 days later (plenty of time for mother to fly from Kenya to Hawaii)

- father's birth place listed as "Kenya, East Africa" ("East Africa" is not a place name. Also, Kenya is technically in the southeast quadrant of the continent)

- discrepancy between mother's name on long form (printed as "STANLEY ANN DUNHAM" but signed as "Ann Dunham Obama" (possible forgery issues)

- hospital listed as "Kapiolani" instead of "Kapi'olani"

- questions about whether the name "Kapiolani Hospital" was even used prior to 1978

- long form claims that mother's address is inside Honolulu city limits (it is not)

- discrepancy in spelling of Obama's name on short form vs. long form (short form says "BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA II", "BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA, II"

- long form is dated April 25, 2011 (who knows if the original 1961 LFBC contained the same data as the 2011 version)

This isn't over, folks. Not by a long shot.

/statorama

Did they do this on purpose to fuel the controversy?

I hate this issue. There are more important things to talk about. But this has become a hammer by the left to label the right wing as lunatics. We are dragged into threads like this kicking and screaming. I wish it would go away.

that's some cool imagery right there. the long, slime-covered liberal tentacles reach out from this thread, grabbing the brave defenders of the faith down into the muck and mire...im getting a very cthulhu-ish feel here.

 

[The Commish]

It wasn't stupid when they asked John McCain the same question.What is stupid is that it would take only 15 seconds to give permission to release the document. Now we are talking about in almost 3 years later. Seriously. Obama, and his cronies in the left wing media, are playing a political game with this and you blame the right wing? Look in the mirror. This should have been a non issue from the start.

Yes, it was stupid when they asked John McCain too. You're getting close to the truth here but not quite. You're right...it should have been a non-issue from the start, but a "game" has at least two participants. Problem with your framing here is the "conservatives" started the game and Obama played along. It's classic bait and switch only the conservatives baited AND switched themselves.

 

[Statorama]

I hate this issue. There are more important things to talk about. But this is become a hammer by the left to label the right wing as lunatics. We are dragged into threads like this kicking and screaming. I wish it would go away.

It will. I'm actually kind of surprised Obama did this now. It seems like it would have been more politically beneficial if he had released it closer to the primaries.On to the real issues the right wing wackos weren't as confident of as they were of where Obama wasn't born (Pigford, Gunwalker, etc)

Fixed

So is that going to basically be the meme of the left now? That any investigation into issues related to Obama are meritless?Good grief people.