The Birther Conspiracy Thread (3 Viewers)

[The Commish]

In these days of short news cycles, its entertaining to see a story with legs and seeing everyone posting saying they want this to go away.

I wouldn't say everyone. As a matter of fact, I'd say more want it to stay around than go at this point. This is better than trying to watch LHUCKS remove his foot from his butt.

 

[DawgPoundNJ]

Hillary raised the issue first.

You keep saying this. It is wrong.Hillary did not start it. Lunatics started it. They happened to be supporters of Hillary.

You are right, I don't know who or how it was raised.OTOH issues are raised by supporters all the time. Many times the candidates do not want to raise the issue directly so they order there supporters to do it. Who knows, but it wasn't the right wing who first raised the issue.

But it WAS the right wing that took it this far. What distinction do you think you're making?

wrong - look who populates this thread. Almost all libs.This is a lib issue.

Top posters:timschochet 189 jon_mx 149 Sam Quentin 149 bigbottom 119 bueno 87 Bronco Billy 76 Statorama 71 "Almost all libs" indeed

I can't believe I didn't make this list.

 

[bigbottom]

C'mon now. I think we all should be able to agree that both the right and the left have played a role in hyping this issue.

 

[pantagrapher]

C'mon now. I think we all should be able to agree that both the right and the left have played a role in hyping this issue.

The Birthers of the right hyped the issue of the birth certificate. The left hyped the fact that a large percentage of conservatives are Birthers.

 

[CBusAlex]

This is news story fueled by the left not the right.

Oh The issue is an issue because the left wants it be.

Last time I will say this.

This story was started by the left, and by and large, being fueled by the left. The right does not like this story and wishes it would go away.

You know that real life doesn't work like Beetlejuice, right?

 

[Road Dogg]

I wish he had released this the day he left office and not before

let lunatics keep pooping on themselves

 

[Mr. Pickles]

In other news, it's time to release Trig Palin's birth certificate. Enough with the obfuscation. America needs to move on.

I demand satisfaction!

I, for one, would settle for the short form.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

C'mon now. I think we all should be able to agree that both the right and the left have played a role in hyping this issue.

Does incredulity qualify as "hype?"

 

[urbanhack]

The only "hyping" the left is done on this issue is to overtly expose the idiots like Trump who've been acting like complete idiots.

 

[bigbottom]

The only "hyping" the left is done on this issue is to overtly expose the idiots like Trump who've been acting like complete idiots.

Sure.

 

[Christo]

Update? Are jon and Trump the only ones left?

add one more: tin hat/brock middlbrook/sam quentin

As for me, I stated many pages ago that I don't doubt that he was born in Hawaii.One thing that amazes me is the anti-birthers total lack of intellectual curiosity about the long form birth certificate documenting an historic birth. Their defensiveness and name-calling and protectiveness almost leads me to believe that they actually fear the release of such a document just a little bit -- which kind of makes them birthers of a different stripe.

Intellectual curiosity

 

[urbanhack]

The only "hyping" the left is done on this issue is to overtly expose the idiots like Trump who've been acting like complete idiots.

Sure.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Yeah, the claim of an "exception" to release the form is bizarre. Obama could have requested it and released it himself at any point. He simply chose not to until now.

Do you have a link supporting this? It goes against what the officials from the Hawaii Department of Health have stated.

Update: Here's the correspondence between the White House and the Hawaii Department of Health on this issue. An ordinary citizen cannot get the document Obama just posted; he had to pull some strings to get an exception.

 

[bigbottom]

The only "hyping" the left is done on this issue is to overtly expose the idiots like Trump who've been acting like complete idiots.

Sure.

That was meant as "sure, you're right."

 

[Christo]

Here it is

I wanna know more about that doctor!

 

[Sarnoff]

Update: Here's the correspondence between the White House and the Hawaii Department of Health on this issue.

As an autograph collector, I would pay five to maybe even low-six figures for the original document with Obama's original signature (if not done via auto-pen) requesting the BC.

 

[MasterofOrion]

Look at the difference how the left and right view this issue.

townhall

versus

Daily Kos

Notice that the right wing blog mentions the story but isn't obsessed with it.

Notice the left wing blog is obsessed with the story.

QED

 

[urbanhack]

Look at the difference how the left and right view this issue.

townhall

versus

Daily Kos

Notice that the right wing blog mentions the story but isn't obsessed with it.

Notice the left wing blog is obsessed with the story.

QED

I hate this issue. I wish it would go away.

 

[MasterofOrion]

Look at the difference how the left and right view this issue.

townhall

versus

Daily Kos

Notice that the right wing blog mentions the story but isn't obsessed with it.

Notice the left wing blog is obsessed with the story.

QED

I hate this issue. I wish it would go away.

Hey Pickles - it's in the news today.

 

[MasterofOrion]

Huffington post vs red state

Huffinton Post is obsessed with the issue. Red State mentions it.

Who is hyping the issue? The left.

 

[Christo]

So why now. This could have been put to bed a long time ago?

Again....free comedy. That and we are actually at war as a country, job situation is bleak and so is the economy. Yes, the President releasing proof of his birth again should be above all that.

I agree. I have not commented much on this issue until now. There are much more important issues on the table. But Obama could have played one less golf game or one less game of basketball and put this issue to rest. This should not take much time at all. So why did he let it drag out. Was it political calculation?Was it that he wanted to fry his enemy on a non-issue?If you think about it the reason the issue is consuming the press is that it hasn't been put to bed until now. IMO this should have been put to bed a long time ago rather than wasting energy and time on such a trivial issue. The President and left wing have only themselves to blame on how much wasted time and energy have been wasted on this non-issue.

This has to be shtick.If I was Obama, I would have made my appearance on Oprah this morning and told the audience that I have my long form birth certificate in my pocket but then refuse to show it.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

Look at the difference how the left and right view this issue.

townhall

versus

Daily Kos

Notice that the right wing blog mentions the story but isn't obsessed with it.

Notice the left wing blog is obsessed with the story.

QED

Here's what I see:link

 

[Sam Quentin]

Oh the political games people play. The issue is an issue because the left wants it be. In a way that is exactly what I have been saying all along.

Are you under the impression that the World Net Daily is a leftist rag? Is Orly Taitz a Democrat?

WorldNetDaily is out to make a fast buck off of the most partisan folks it can find. I'm don't think they they even belive some of the stuff the publish

WND = Daily KozPlaying to the extremist.

In different ways...Daily Kos is just extremely partisan. WND is always trying to cynically hawk its merchandise to the truest believers.

 

[ElGatoLoco]

Chris Mathews more than anyone is the one obsessed with this issue.

Disagree with "more than anyone". Besides, we all love a good trainwreck right? I don't think you understand how crazy this whole birther thing is. I applaud the Left for getting a good laugh at it and exposing the birthers for what they are.

This story line of birther's and right wing extremist benefits the left not the right. Most people on the right wish this issue would just go away. The left is using this issue to bang the right, that is is why is dominates the news - because it benefits the left.

You don't think FoxNews isn't benefiting from this "theory"? Really?

Fox news spends a lot time trying to put this story to bed - They believe Obama is a U.S. citizen and that the issue is a non-issue. MSNBC is the one benefiting from the issue - not Fox. They can't talk about the bang up job Obama has done on anything.

Really?

 

[Statorama]

If I was Obama, I would have made my appearance on Oprah this morning and told the audience that I have my long form birth certificate in my pocket but then refuse to show it.

Someone sent me an old Georgia Championship Wrestling clip that had what was obviously Tommy Rich in a wrestling mask. Rich had lost a loser leave town match and was using a false identity to illegally wrestle in whatever town it was. During the interview he lifted the mask up just a *little bit* then pulled it back down and said "NAWWWW"(those are the kinds of random things I'll just blurt out at the old folks home. carry on.)

 

[Road Dogg]

Here it is

I wanna know more about that doctor!

If his family or sponsors, or whoever can pull strings to get his failing ### into havard, hey coud buy off a doctor.

 

[Statorama]

An ordinary citizen cannot get the document Obama just posted; he had to pull some strings to get an exception.

You were laughing when you typed this, right?

 

[Sam Quentin]

Yeah, the claim of an "exception" to release the form is bizarre. Obama could have requested it and released it himself at any point. He simply chose not to until now.

Do you have a link supporting this? It goes against what the officials from the Hawaii Department of Health have stated.

Update: Here's the correspondence between the White House and the Hawaii Department of Health on this issue. An ordinary citizen cannot get the document Obama just posted; he had to pull some strings to get an exception.

Fukino, herself stated that the document is avaialble to persons with a tangible inteest

CBusAlex posted the relevant Hawaii Statute that was consistent with that statement

People have posted copies of their long-form Hawaii Birth Certificate on the internet

 

[Jewell]

If I was Obama, I would have made my appearance on Oprah this morning and told the audience that I have my long form birth certificate in my pocket but then refuse to show it.

Someone sent me an old Georgia Championship Wrestling clip that had what was obviously Tommy Rich in a wrestling mask. Rich had lost a loser leave town match and was using a false identity to illegally wrestle in whatever town it was. During the interview he lifted the mask up just a *little bit* then pulled it back down and said "NAWWWW"(those are the kinds of random things I'll just blurt out at the old folks home. carry on.)

Was that against Buzz Sawyer?

 

[Christo]

If I was Obama, I would have made my appearance on Oprah this morning and told the audience that I have my long form birth certificate in my pocket but then refuse to show it.

Someone sent me an old Georgia Championship Wrestling clip that had what was obviously Tommy Rich in a wrestling mask. Rich had lost a loser leave town match and was using a false identity to illegally wrestle in whatever town it was. During the interview he lifted the mask up just a *little bit* then pulled it back down and said "NAWWWW"(those are the kinds of random things I'll just blurt out at the old folks home. carry on.)

Nothing like good theater.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

Afterbirthers demand to see Obama's placenta

 

[Mr. Pickles]

It really is a mystery why more blogs aren't prominently eating crow today. You'd think they'd be all, "OUR BAD."

 

[Road Dogg]

My intellectual curiosity demands a sperm count from trump

I also wand Jindal's birth certificate, no reason i want his, but I do

I'd like any psycholgical workups Palin has had done

HIPAA be damned, i am CURIOUS

one has to wonder why they would NOT give me these documents, simply to put the matter to rest

 

[Disc Shark]

Huffington post vs red state

Huffinton Post is obsessed with the issue. Red State mentions it.

Who is hyping the issue? The left.

Of course the right wing sound machine is downplaying the latest news. It puts the lie to years of racist idiocy regarding Obama's citizenship (again). Whoever was pushing the story, those who believed the birther stupidity were/are overwhelmingly Republican/conservative.

 

[MasterofOrion]

Chris Mathews more than anyone is the one obsessed with this issue.

Disagree with "more than anyone". Besides, we all love a good trainwreck right? I don't think you understand how crazy this whole birther thing is. I applaud the Left for getting a good laugh at it and exposing the birthers for what they are.

This story line of birther's and right wing extremist benefits the left not the right. Most people on the right wish this issue would just go away. The left is using this issue to bang the right, that is is why is dominates the news - because it benefits the left.

You don't think FoxNews isn't benefiting from this "theory"? Really?

Fox news spends a lot time trying to put this story to bed - They believe Obama is a U.S. citizen and that the issue is a non-issue. MSNBC is the one benefiting from the issue - not Fox. They can't talk about the bang up job Obama has done on anything.

Really?

Media matters -really.Fox spends 15 seconds on something and media matters blows it up 1000 fold. Most irresponsible organization on the web.

 

[Road Dogg]

I'd actually like a urine test from Trump too

 

[Phil Elliott]

Yeah, the claim of an "exception" to release the form is bizarre. Obama could have requested it and released it himself at any point. He simply chose not to until now.

Do you have a link supporting this? It goes against what the officials from the Hawaii Department of Health have stated.

Update: Here's the correspondence between the White House and the Hawaii Department of Health on this issue. An ordinary citizen cannot get the document Obama just posted; he had to pull some strings to get an exception.

Interesting comment in her response granting his waiver request:"We hope that issuing you these copies of your original Certificate of Live Birth will end the numerous inquiries received by the Hawaii Department of Health to produce this document. Such inquiries have been distruptive to staff operations and have strained State resources."

 

[Road Dogg]

pee in the cup donald!

 

[ceo3west]

Huffington post vs red state

Huffinton Post is obsessed with the issue. Red State mentions it.

Who is hyping the issue? The left.

Did you see the Fox News headline of this today? They made it look like it was 9/11-type news.A lot of whack jobs trying to distance themselves today. Typical.

 

[Statorama]

Just got this in my email

I noticed the possible "layers" in this document almost immediately. When I had the .pdf file of the BC open in my browser then used Command + Tab (on an Apple computer), to switch to another app, I noticed that the majority of the text disappeared. I recreated the effect numerous times. As others have suggested, when you open the BC in Acrobat (full version) and strip out the "Metadata" and "Deleted or cropped content" this SAME EXACT TEXT disappears leaving only a few bits of type, date stamps and all or part of three signatures: his mother, the attendant and the local registrar. Also, some of the digits used in the Aug. 8, 1961 date stamp disappear. The full background and the April 25, 2011 stamp remain. I am making no "birther" claims, but CLEARLY this document has been altered. If it had been photographed or scanned, the pixels containing all the information (the document background, the type, the signatures, date stamps and the check marks) would be part of ONE pixelated image. As someone who uses Photoshop/Adobe Creative Suite daily, it is my belief that had the BC been scanned or photographed, the layering would not happen. Again, I am making NO "birther" claims or conclusions. But I believe this document has been altered.

 

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

Yeah, the claim of an "exception" to release the form is bizarre. Obama could have requested it and released it himself at any point. He simply chose not to until now.

Do you have a link supporting this? It goes against what the officials from the Hawaii Department of Health have stated.

Update: Here's the correspondence between the White House and the Hawaii Department of Health on this issue. An ordinary citizen cannot get the document Obama just posted; he had to pull some strings to get an exception.

Interesting comment in her response granting his waiver request:"We hope that issuing you these copies of your original Certificate of Live Birth will end the numerous inquiries received by the Hawaii Department of Health to produce this document. Such inquiries have been distruptive to staff operations and have strained State resources."

I bet he did....

 

[urbanhack]

My intellectual curiosity demands a sperm count from trumpI also wand Jindal's birth certificate, no reason i want his, but I do

I want to see Jindal's bible.

 

[MasterofOrion]

Huffington post vs red state

Huffinton Post is obsessed with the issue. Red State mentions it.

Who is hyping the issue? The left.

Of course the right wing sound machine is downplaying the latest news. It puts the lie to years of racist idiocy regarding Obama's citizenship (again). Whoever was pushing the story, those who believed the birther stupidity were/are overwhelmingly Republican/conservative.

Not really.He should have produced this 2 1/2 years ago. The story isn't the birth certificate. It is how the media plays the story.

This should have been a non issue. There is no document that should be easier to produce than a birth certificate. Seriously, is Obama playing us? Isn't that a huge story?

 

[TobiasFunke]

Chris Mathews more than anyone is the one obsessed with this issue.

Disagree with "more than anyone". Besides, we all love a good trainwreck right? I don't think you understand how crazy this whole birther thing is. I applaud the Left for getting a good laugh at it and exposing the birthers for what they are.

This story line of birther's and right wing extremist benefits the left not the right. Most people on the right wish this issue would just go away. The left is using this issue to bang the right, that is is why is dominates the news - because it benefits the left.

You don't think FoxNews isn't benefiting from this "theory"? Really?

Fox news spends a lot time trying to put this story to bed - They believe Obama is a U.S. citizen and that the issue is a non-issue. MSNBC is the one benefiting from the issue - not Fox. They can't talk about the bang up job Obama has done on anything.

Really?

Media matters -really.Fox spends 15 seconds on something and media matters blows it up 1000 fold. Most irresponsible organization on the web.

52 segments in 15 seconds has to be some sort of Guinness record. Someone should tell the Fox News reporters that they've clearly got this chick beat.

 

[Road Dogg]

My intellectual curiosity demands a sperm count from trumpI also wand Jindal's birth certificate, no reason i want his, but I do

I want to see Jindal's bible.

I'd like to see him eat a Big Macno reason, I am just curious

 

[MasterofOrion]

I'd actually like a urine test from Trump too

Ditto from Obama

 

[Mister Martie]

Look at the difference how the left and right view this issue.

townhall

versus

Daily Kos

Notice that the right wing blog mentions the story but isn't obsessed with it.

Notice the left wing blog is obsessed with the story.

QED

All the Bears fans I talk to don't want to talk about last years NFC championship game. However all of the Packers fans seem to love talking about it.Therefor it is easy for me to conclude that the only people who ever cared about this game were Packers fans.

QED

 

[Road Dogg]

I'd actually like a urine test from Trump too

Ditto from Obama

hell, i say televised physicals for anyone with an exploratory committeelet's lay them bare for the nation before we invest time in themour curiosity must be satisfied!

 

[CBusAlex]

MoO's really falling on the grenade in here. I hope Jon, Sam, and Pony appreciate what you're doing for them.

 

[Road Dogg]

MoO's really falling on the grenade in here. I hope Jon, Sam, and Pony appreciate what you're doing for them.

waitnone of them actually thought he was born elsewhere. Is that what you are implying? Why did you keep this issue alive so long? You should be ashamed today.and i'd like to know your cholesterol level