THE BOOK DRAFT (1 Viewer)

[NCCommish]

So did we come to a conclusion on how this will be scored/judged? I'm pretty interested as I did try to curtail my personal favorites to assembling a more well-rounded collection. I want to see if it worked.

Sellout.

Well if we get some other judges then we can work out a system. Otherwise in what is sure to be a very subjective judging I'll look at a number factors. Historical weight, entertainment, and a general if I was starting a personal library today how set would I be by that teams choices.

 

[Ranethe]

I was dismayed nobody selected "Lord of the Flies". Kind of a lightweight book i guess but one of my all time favorites, if not favorite.

 

[Ranethe]

Considered "House of Leaves" briefly for my horror selection but realized it was only because I found the structure/approach interesting. The main problem was that I didn't find it the least bit frightening.

Interesting? Certainly. But not scary.

Just saw the Books of Blood pick for horror. Loved that pick. I'm kind of a big Clive Barker fan. I think i've read everything by him...maybe missed something recently.

 

[Woz]

I was dismayed nobody selected "Lord of the Flies". Kind of a lightweight book i guess but one of my all time favorites, if not favorite.

Along with the Little Drummer Girl it was next on my list. You're right, great book.

 

[Woz]

So did we come to a conclusion on how this will be scored/judged? I'm pretty interested as I did try to curtail my personal favorites to assembling a more well-rounded collection. I want to see if it worked.

Sellout.

Well if we get some other judges then we can work out a system. Otherwise in what is sure to be a very subjective judging I'll look at a number factors. Historical weight, entertainment, and a general if I was starting a personal library today how set would I be by that teams choices.

Sounds good. And I didn't totally sellout, I just curtailed my choices. Are they my exact top ten books ever? No. But trust me, aside from Pride and Prejudice (which I couldn't pass up for its historical weight), I thoroughly enjoyed every book in my collection. I just tried to mix and match and create a well rounded collection.

 

[NCCommish]

So did we come to a conclusion on how this will be scored/judged? I'm pretty interested as I did try to curtail my personal favorites to assembling a more well-rounded collection. I want to see if it worked.

Sellout.

Well if we get some other judges then we can work out a system. Otherwise in what is sure to be a very subjective judging I'll look at a number factors. Historical weight, entertainment, and a general if I was starting a personal library today how set would I be by that teams choices.

Sounds good. And I didn't totally sellout, I just curtailed my choices. Are they my exact top ten books ever? No. But trust me, aside from Pride and Prejudice (which I couldn't pass up for its historical weight), I thoroughly enjoyed every book in my collection. I just tried to mix and match and create a well rounded collection.

Nothing wrong with that.

 

[cosjobs]

Historical weight>

Gotta love post-draft rule addendums.

I voted for the books I'd most want on my shelf.

 

[Woz]

Historical weight>

Gotta love post-draft rule addendums.

I voted for the books I'd most want on my shelf.

to be fair we went into the draft with haste and really never discussed how they'd be judged. NC has volunteered and it seems to me that "historical weight" is a necessary and valid factor.

 

[cosjobs]

Historical weight>

Gotta love post-draft rule addendums.

I voted for the books I'd most want on my shelf.

to be fair we went into the draft with haste and really never discussed how they'd be judged. NC has volunteered and it seems to me that "historical weight" is a necessary and valid factor.

Especially for those picking books for the crowd rather than sharing their favorites, I suppose.

 

[Woz]

Historical weight>

Gotta love post-draft rule addendums.

I voted for the books I'd most want on my shelf.

to be fair we went into the draft with haste and really never discussed how they'd be judged. NC has volunteered and it seems to me that "historical weight" is a necessary and valid factor.

Especially for those picking books for the crowd rather than sharing their favorites, I suppose.

To me, historical weight is a definite factor in how I pick my favorites. After all, how do you think they became so historically great in the first place? And as I said, P and P is the only book I really didn't thoroughly enjoy. But I did appreciate and recognize it definetely needed to be taken in a draft such as this.

 

[rikishiboy]

I tried to combine historical weight and personal taste as much as I could.....often the 2 would coinside somewhat, if they didn't I leaned more towards personal taste...except 1 pick I leaned more toward historical reference.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

I also drafted with an eye toward factors other than just my own preferences-in-a-vaccuum. Like I said toward the beginning, I imagined I was stocking a 10-volume library for a random FBG who liked to read. Obviously I'm going to pick stuff I like, and I'm not going to stick my hypothetical FBG buddy with something I personally haven't read and can vouche for, but otherwise I wanted to provide my FBG with a diverse reading experience.

So, for example, when the time came to pick a Short Story Collection, I went with Boccaccio over Flannery O'Connor. I like O'Connor's short stories better, but I already had a 20th century Southern writer on my roster, and I already had "overtly Christian" role filled with Dostoevsky, so O'Connor would have been double-dipping on two levels. The Boccaccio pick allowed me to add some medieval literature to my library. This one also sits alongside The Stand as being easy reading just for the sake of entertainment as opposed to something heavy and philosophical. Every library needs some of that.

This is one of the reasons why I don't think my roster would do well if it were judged category-by-category. I didn't draft with that in mind.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

A few that I seriously considered drafting:

Paradise Lost, Milton

Beowulf

The Gulag Archipelago, Solzhenitsyn

History of Western Philosophy, Russell

Republic, Plato (not sure if Assani's pick includes this one or not)

Death in the Afternoon, Hemingway

The Metamorphosis and Other Stories, Kafka

A Good Man is Hard to Find and Other Stories, O'Connor

Invisible Man, Ellison

The Federalist Papers, "Publius"

I decided against including any epic poetry once Illiad was drafted. The Non-Fiction category was very deep and hard to choose from; I almost double-dipped in that category for my flex. I explained the reasoning behind passing over Kafka and O'Connor in the Short Story category (besides, I grabbed some Kafka later anyway). I like Invisible Man and had that one in the mix in a few categories, but it lost out to The Brothers Karamazov in Drama, The Sound and the Fury in Classic, and The Trial in Flex. It also would have lost out to at least a couple Non-Fiction works. I had The Federalist Papers on my sheet in case I wanted political philosophy in the Series spot. Once I decided to go with Nozick under Non-Fiction, adding "Publius" would have been redundant.

 

[NCCommish]

Historical weight>

Gotta love post-draft rule addendums.

I voted for the books I'd most want on my shelf.

As I said this is only one factor. I plan to look at drafts as a whole. But I have to find some criterion to go by after all and with the heavy draft of classics, both new and old, I felt that historical weight would be a meaningful metric.

 

[NCCommish]

I also drafted with an eye toward factors other than just my own preferences-in-a-vaccuum. Like I said toward the beginning, I imagined I was stocking a 10-volume library for a random FBG who liked to read. Obviously I'm going to pick stuff I like, and I'm not going to stick my hypothetical FBG buddy with something I personally haven't read and can vouche for, but otherwise I wanted to provide my FBG with a diverse reading experience.

So, for example, when the time came to pick a Short Story Collection, I went with Boccaccio over Flannery O'Connor. I like O'Connor's short stories better, but I already had a 20th century Southern writer on my roster, and I already had "overtly Christian" role filled with Dostoevsky, so O'Connor would have been double-dipping on two levels. The Boccaccio pick allowed me to add some medieval literature to my library. This one also sits alongside The Stand as being easy reading just for the sake of entertainment as opposed to something heavy and philosophical. Every library needs some of that.

This is one of the reasons why I don't think my roster would do well if it were judged category-by-category. I didn't draft with that in mind.

And this is the another thing I want to look at. If we used your choices to seed a library how well would it fill that role?

 

[mon]

So did we come to a conclusion on how this will be scored/judged? I'm pretty interested as I did try to curtail my personal favorites to assembling a more well-rounded collection. I want to see if it worked.

Sellout.

Well if we get some other judges then we can work out a system. Otherwise in what is sure to be a very subjective judging I'll look at a number factors. Historical weight, entertainment, and a general if I was starting a personal library today how set would I be by that teams choices.

There's no way the judging can't be subjective. Maybe we shouldn't even pick winners. I seriously don't care if we have judges or a poll or both. I think if anyone drafted to "win" they missed the fun of the draft. If I cared about historical weight I would have gone with The Complete Stories by Kafka instead of The Illustrated Man, etc. etc., but if you want to use historical weight as criteria, it's fine with me.

 

[NCCommish]

Lastly since I seem to be the only one volunteering I will get busy on this. I thought I would wait in case some others stepped up yesterday.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Maybe we shouldn't even pick winners.

But then there would be no losers to mock and ridicule.

 

[NCCommish]

So did we come to a conclusion on how this will be scored/judged? I'm pretty interested as I did try to curtail my personal favorites to assembling a more well-rounded collection. I want to see if it worked.

Sellout.

Well if we get some other judges then we can work out a system. Otherwise in what is sure to be a very subjective judging I'll look at a number factors. Historical weight, entertainment, and a general if I was starting a personal library today how set would I be by that teams choices.

There's no way the judging can't be subjective. Maybe we shouldn't even pick winners. I seriously don't care if we have judges or a poll or both. I think if anyone drafted to "win" they missed the fun of the draft. If I cared about historical weight I would have gone with The Complete Stories by Kafka instead of The Illustrated Man, etc. etc., but if you want to use historical weight as criteria, it's fine with me.

Whatever you guys decide. I think everyone did a pretty good job. Picking will be tough.

 

[mon]

Maybe we shouldn't even pick winners.

But then there would be no losers to mock and ridicule.

Are you kidding? Look where you are, man - you're in the FFA! There will always be plenty of losers to mock and ridicule.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Maybe we shouldn't even pick winners.

But then there would be no losers to mock and ridicule.

Are you kidding? Look where you are, man - you're in the FFA! There will always be plenty of losers to mock and ridicule.

Good point. I feel better now.

 

[cosjobs]

Historical weight>

Gotta love post-draft rule addendums.

I voted for the books I'd most want on my shelf.

As I said this is only one factor. I plan to look at drafts as a whole. But I have to find some criterion to go by after all and with the heavy draft of classics, both new and old, I felt that historical weight would be a meaningful metric.

I was mainly just busting chops of selections that might have been made because of their reputation rather than the actual enjoyment of the reader. We all pretty much know what's supposed to be good.I never win these things. My reward comes from seeing Kupcho buy Lonesome Dove and from me gaining a huge list to carry around to the used bookstores. Thanks to all for contributing to that list.

 

[Woz]

I'd say give it a shot and rank em NC. There were no drafters in this thing that had no clue or got blown out of the water. At least for me, every single team had at least one pick that got me excited and wished I would have or what planning to take that book. I'm guessing your decisions will be incredibly hard, but I think we all know that whoever comes in last still picked a very solid collection of books.

I'm assuming you'll give comments and discuss your grading criteria?

 

[mon]

...whoever comes in last still picked a very solid collection of books.

I don't see any reason to rank all ten. Maybe top three or top five.

 

[NCCommish]

...whoever comes in last still picked a very solid collection of books.

I don't see any reason to rank all ten. Maybe top three or top five.

I was thinking top 3 if that's alright. Even that will take some doing and serious thought.

 

[Woz]

...whoever comes in last still picked a very solid collection of books.

I don't see any reason to rank all ten. Maybe top three or top five.

That's a thought, but even if I got tenth it wouldn't bother me at all and I'd like to see his comments on my picks. Maybe he could just rank the top 5 and then comment on the bottom five in no particular order. I'm more interested in the comments here. Then again, I am a competitive #####.

 

[rikishiboy]

Lastly since I seem to be the only one volunteering I will get busy on this. I thought I would wait in case some others stepped up yesterday.

I am happy with the draft as a whole and look foward to how you feel we did....I agree that there is no need to rank all 10, but if you do that is cool as well....it was afun draft and that is what mattered most.

 

[Uncle Humuna]

Might be fun to have NC judge, but also throw out a poll to the FFA just for ####s and giggles (I drafted 90% by what my favorite books are. If there was a close call for me, then I considered historical importance).

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Might be fun to have NC judge, but also throw out a poll to the FFA just for ####s and giggles (I drafted 90% by what my favorite books are. If there was a close call for me, then I considered historical importance).

That's true. There's no reason why we can't do both. Let NC and others provide learned commentary, and toss the rosters out to the rabble as well.

 

[mon]

Might be fun to have NC judge, but also throw out a poll to the FFA just for ####s and giggles (I drafted 90% by what my favorite books are.  If there was a close call for me, then I considered historical importance).

That's true. There's no reason why we can't do both. Let NC and others provide learned commentary, and toss the rosters out to the rabble as well.

Both is fine with me. Tell the FFA they can judge on whatever criteria they want.

 

[NCCommish]

Might be fun to have NC judge, but also throw out a poll to the FFA just for ####s and giggles (I drafted 90% by what my favorite books are.  If there was a close call for me, then I considered historical importance).

That's true. There's no reason why we can't do both. Let NC and others provide learned commentary, and toss the rosters out to the rabble as well.

Both is fine with me. Tell the FFA they can judge on whatever criteria they want.

Whatever you guys like is good with me.I am working on commentary as I upgrade customers routers. I love days when I can bill remotely.

 

[kupcho1]

Might be fun to have NC judge, but also throw out a poll to the FFA just for ####s and giggles (I drafted 90% by what my favorite books are.  If there was a close call for me, then I considered historical importance).

That's true. There's no reason why we can't do both. Let NC and others provide learned commentary, and toss the rosters out to the rabble as well.

Both is fine with me. Tell the FFA they can judge on whatever criteria they want.

Whatever you guys like is good with me.I am working on commentary as I upgrade customers routers. I love days when I can bill remotely.

How about if we set up a poll, and you can be the first respondent with your analysis. Hopefully that sets the tone.

 

[NCCommish]

Might be fun to have NC judge, but also throw out a poll to the FFA just for ####s and giggles (I drafted 90% by what my favorite books are.  If there was a close call for me, then I considered historical importance).

That's true. There's no reason why we can't do both. Let NC and others provide learned commentary, and toss the rosters out to the rabble as well.

Both is fine with me. Tell the FFA they can judge on whatever criteria they want.

Whatever you guys like is good with me.I am working on commentary as I upgrade customers routers. I love days when I can bill remotely.

How about if we set up a poll, and you can be the first respondent with your analysis. Hopefully that sets the tone.

Going to be a bit as I have just started and I will have to run out to a customers soon. Otherwise that works for me just fine.

 

[Assani Fisher]

...whoever comes in last still picked a very solid collection of books.

I don't see any reason to rank all ten. Maybe top three or top five.

That's a thought, but even if I got tenth it wouldn't bother me at all and I'd like to see his comments on my picks. Maybe he could just rank the top 5 and then comment on the bottom five in no particular order. I'm more interested in the comments here. Then again, I am a competitive #####.

Yeah just rank all 10. We have tough skin here.

 

[NCCommish]

Ok but this is taking longer than I thought. I know it's hard to beleive but I haven't read all these. I have read the majority of them but I am having to do some research as I go as well.

 

[mon]

If we are going to use both the poll and judges, why don't we go ahead and do the poll before the judges decide? That way the FFA won't be influenced by said judges.

 

[kupcho1]

If we are going to use both the poll and judges, why don't we go ahead and do the poll before the judges decide? That way the FFA won't be influenced by said judges.

Good point -

 

[Woz]

Ok but this is taking longer than I thought. I know it's hard to beleive but I haven't read all these. I have read the majority of them but I am having to do some research as I go as well.

Wow, definetely appreciate the effort here. You're going above and beyond! If you're ever in MN or PA, I'll buy you a

 

[NCCommish]

If we are going to use both the poll and judges, why don't we go ahead and do the poll before the judges decide? That way the FFA won't be influenced by said judges.

Sounds good. And I can assure you I won't be swayed by a poll.

 

[Woz]

If we are going to use both the poll and judges, why don't we go ahead and do the poll before the judges decide? That way the FFA won't be influenced by said judges.

Good point -

But wouldn't this work the opposite way too? At least with judge's comments the ignorant masses will have something substantial and objective to aid their decisions.

 

[NCCommish]

Ok but this is taking longer than I thought. I know it's hard to beleive but I haven't read all these. I have read the majority of them but I am having to do some research as I go as well.

Wow, definetely appreciate the effort here. You're going above and beyond! If you're ever in MN or PA, I'll buy you a

I take my responisibilities seriously. And if ever again I mke it up that way I will take you up on that.

 

[kupcho1]

poll created

 

[mon]

Ok but this is taking longer than I thought. I know it's hard to beleive but I haven't read all these. I have read the majority of them but I am having to do some research as I go as well.

Wow, definetely appreciate the effort here. You're going above and beyond! If you're ever in MN or PA, I'll buy you a

I take my responisibilities seriously. And if ever again I mke it up that way I will take you up on that.

If ANY of you blokes ever find yourself in Abilene, TX I'll buy you a damn beer. Cheers

 

[perry147]

poll created

thanks

 

[kupcho1]

Poll

 

[Nigel Tufnel]

Ok but this is taking longer than I thought. I know it's hard to beleive but I haven't read all these. I have read the majority of them but I am having to do some research as I go as well.

Wow, definetely appreciate the effort here. You're going above and beyond! If you're ever in MN or PA, I'll buy you a

Pandering to the judge.

 

[NCCommish]

Ok but this is taking longer than I thought. I know it's hard to beleive but I haven't read all these. I have read the majority of them but I am having to do some research as I go as well.

Wow, definetely appreciate the effort here. You're going above and beyond! If you're ever in MN or PA, I'll buy you a

Pandering to the judge.

I am like Elliot Ness I can not be swayed from my scared duty. But in case I could be what you got?

 

[Woz]

Ok but this is taking longer than I thought. I know it's hard to beleive but I haven't read all these. I have read the majority of them but I am having to do some research as I go as well.

Wow, definetely appreciate the effort here. You're going above and beyond! If you're ever in MN or PA, I'll buy you a

Pandering to the judge.

You caught me No, I was really being sincere there. I never thought NC would put so much time and effort into it. I just wanted to say thanks. And make another valid excuse for having a beer sometime.

 

[NCCommish]

Ok folks I will be posting write ups and my choices tomorrow in the am in the draft poll thread. I figure by the time I get to do it most of the morning guys should have seen it. I will be going with ranking all ten and looking at the votes right now it seems like the FFA and I may be in disagreement on some of these. I am not quite done with the writeups and I have to go do husband stuff for a bit. But I have an order set and now it's just polishing up.

I changed how I am going to handle it as well. I was going to go into some length about the books but then I realized it came off as very condenscending and even pompous once I started reading it. No reason to go Frasier here. So we're skipping that. I have changed my approach some the write ups will be less long winded and more to the point. I will still have comments about books but I will keep them short and on point hopefully. One must self edit.

 

[NCCommish]

Hey guys didn't forget about this just got called out at 645 this morning still working that problem don't know when I'll be back to my home pc but once I do get back I'll get this done.